Canuck Brunch- Now What?
Well, that solved exactly nothing. The Canucks rolled into Denver, played about 8 minutes and change of a hockey game and walked away with 2 points. It's messed up. We know that. Such is life in Gary Bettman's world of manufactured parity. Winning the shootouts doesn't make me hate them any less. I'm getting sidetracked here so I need to stay focused. The Canucks record over the last 12 games is 8-2-2, yet they're not playing even close to acceptable hockey right now. What is happening and why? Is this a sign the team isn't as good as we all thought? Or is this streak of ridiculousness a sign that they are in fact, who we thought they are, and being able to win these games they don't deserve to win a sign of just how good this team is? One thing is for sure, with the trade deadline fast approaching, Chris Higgins once again battling a staph infection and this funk the team is in, the winds of change are blowing through Vancouver, starting with the unthinkable: ALAIN VIGNEAULT HAS SPLIT UP THE SEDINS!!!
It's often said that sometimes to get a player or a line going, you need to break them up to either get them in gear or motivate them to play better so they may be returned to their normal spot. I suppose that message is being sent as Daniel will see time with Ryan Kesler and regular linemate Alexandre Burrows, while brother Henrik is on a 2nd line with Mason Raymond and um... Byron Bitz? That's right. Cue the outrage (please note, we are well aware that the people upset about the fact that AV is tinkering with the lines are predominantly the same people who usually get upset that the coach 'does nothing'. Take it for what it's worth).
Third line duties will fall to David Booth with Jannik Hansen and Cody Hodgson, and the 4th line of Dale Weise, Manny Malhotra and Maxim Lapierre remains untouched. Oh, and that goalie that stole the game in Colorado gets the start tonight too. Roberto Luongo continues to shine, and while we will see Cory Schneider on this trip (likely Thursday in Minnesota) it's a no brainer that Lu gets the nod tonight.
And what of the opponent tonight? The Nashville Predators have long been a team with a Defence First mentality, but this season they've learned to actually score more than they let in. And it's this offensive prowess that has them nipping at the heels of the Detroit Red Wings for the Central Division lead. We all got a look at Nashville finally starting to realize their potential last season (before Ryan Kesler decided to destroy their little world and make Carrie Underwood cry), so it's not a surprise to see them in the running again this season.
And while much of the buzz around the Preds centers on which of their dynamic duo of defencemen they will keep, Shea Weber and Ryan Suter have many teams interested in luring away one of them, including the Canucks. Will it happen? Time will tell, but for now the Predators continue to roll along, getting that goaltending from Pekka Rinne that earned him that fat contract extension, and one of the more potent power plays in the NHL. The Canucks will, as they usually do, have their hands full with those boys from Nashville tonight. The question is, and stop me if you've heard this one: Will we see a return to a 60 minute effort and more of the dominant Vancouver Canucks than we have lately? Not that it's mattered much, mind you. The team finds ways to win. It does need to get better though, and the team, to a man needs to put in more complete efforts.
LEFTOVERS
The league announced that they've rescinded the game misconduct given to the Ducks' Luca Sbisa for his hit to Calgary's Tim Jackman. Looked accidental to me and the NHL agreed... He had barely made it back, but once again Ryan! Nugent! Hopkins! is out with another shoulder injury. Makes you wonder if the Oilers made the right move by keeping the highly touted youngster up in the bigs in the first place? Sure, he's not in need of going back to the WHL for development purposes, but it's beginning to look more and more like this boy is not able to handle playing with men at this stage in his career. Just another stellar draft pick that the Oilers have compiled that has done exactly jack squat to help the Oilers advance out of the NHL cellar. So why is it that Kevin Lowe and Steve Tambellini still have jobs? So... Owen Nolan has a press conference to announce... something... with the San Jose Sharks. If Nolan is joining the Sharks for the playoff run is this a) a crafty move to bring on a battle-worn vet with great leadership or b) a sign that they have subconsciously already surrendered? Nope... probably just announcing he will retire as a Shark. Hm.
CLASSIC METAL SONG OF THE DAY
I was thrilled to hear that doom legends TROUBLE have recruited former EXHODER vocalist Kyle Thomas as their new frontman. So in honour of this, a double shot of these legendary metal acts:
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THEY ARE WE THOUGHT THEY WERE
AND THAT’S WHY WE TOOK THE DAMN ICE
NOW IF YOU WANT TO CROWN THEM THEN CROWN THEIR ASS
AND AV LET ’EM OFF THE HOOK
BUT THEY ARE WE THOUGHT THEY WERE
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Feb 7, 2012 2:05 PM PST reply actions
Can someone please translate the above to me….I’ve read the post three times, and STILL don’t have a clue what Chuckles is trying to say?
by #1 Canucks Fan on Feb 7, 2012 2:44 PM PST up reply actions
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Feb 7, 2012 8:09 PM PST up reply actions
fredcityandy Andy Campbell
“@TSNBobMcKenzie: 2013 NHL Winter Classic (TOR vs. DET at U of Mich.) will be made official Thursday.” Hockey in the Big House.
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bear with me
Trying to read the tea leaves of what AV had going this morning.
In that great record, we have been bemoaning the “60 minute effort” Kent rightly refers to.
Not saying they did not, but even in those games, there were times, even against a Wings team that had schooled our boys of 40 out of 60, where the Canucks have put out dominant periods.
The O/T wins should not be overlooked in our hyperbole in our reactions either. Those goals that won were usually pretty skilled plays. We have a very good team, and part of that is finding ways to win when not at your best.
Anyhow, so we split up the Twins ( maybe, he did give himself an out or two with the media today )..and what happens?
Well, Kes replacing Hank is basically a pretty great 1st line.
Cody Hodgson having two burners that can both turn over pucks in the corners, and have speed? Works for me.
Hank with Raymond is probably more to get Mase going, though a guy that can dangle, and a big guy that can shoot like him AND be big in the corners is a pretty standard way to construct a line.
The 4th is your f/o winners, defensively responsible line for that purpose.
All that sounds like balance for a game against a team that they are probably (rightly) a little scared of, with their home record and overall record. Playing scared is what Babcock talked about as being the ultimate motivator for his Wings, and it should be the same motivator tonight.
If we don’t see a “60 minute effort” ( and I prefer to judge on overall periods, as all teams, especially good ones like the Preds ..are going to have their runs too. ) on this one, we’ll see I guess.
But I think this game, even more than the Wings and Hawks games at home and the Avs road time off, is a “statement” or “judgement” game.
And I think we’ll be happy with the effort, if not the result. ( and probably see the Twins back together at some point anyhow )
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I love the third line
Good for AV for taking extreme measures to to solve what’s obviously become a big enough problem that it needs solving and i think that third line is fantastic. Booth and Hodgson have looked great together in the limited time they’ve had.
You watch...AV will be a friggin genius!
Teams have come to build their D-pairing to go up against the Twins 1st, then the Keslord team 2nd…now, with the wonder-twins split up, what do teams do…split up the D-pairings?
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This madness might just turn out to be just what the Canucks need.
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In AV we Trust.
He's not juggling to shake up the team...
I have a friend who knows a guy who’s uncle works with a gal in the Nuck’s organization.
Apparently GMMG wants to see if he can trade Hank and keep Dank, or vice versa. Whichever twin doesn’t score tonight is as good as gone.
Man
I dont know what you’re smoking, but can I have some?
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You say that but
if you read ahead in this thread you’ll see the twins are already fighting. Coincidence? I think not! GMMG has pitted Twin against Twin.
I’m guessing we trade Dank to CHI for Scott and Bolland.
Murph' usually knows
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AV will start the lines that we saw during #canucks morning skate. Shake up on Power play too. 1st unit : 22-33-9. 2nd unit : 14-17-7.
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Eh, Dank or Cody in front of the net, or are they planning to pass it around until the goalie gets out of position? Seems a little weird.
Like Artem Chubarov
pointed out when I thought the same on Twitter, they play the “umbrella” sometimes, and that would mena Danny and CoHo, and maybe even hank, would move in and out in front
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I like the way Cody and the Twins play together.
If I’m not mistaken, his last ping, which was close but didn’t go in, was with the Twins. I’d like to see Hank/Dank, Hodgson and Booth play together as well as Kes, Burr, Hank/Dank if they were separating the Twins.
Hodgson on Hansen--
"I've never played with a guy who creates so many offensive turnovers.
I really enjoy playing with him."
in my day
we had a thing called ties. they seemed to suit everyone just fine.
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I hate
wearing ties
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a part of your system!
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Feb 7, 2012 8:09 PM PST up reply actions
or
and this would make games more exciting the last five minutes as the races wound down, ( though there might not be as much manufactured parity that they seem to like )…but ther eis an easy solution. Well, two.
1-Make it 3 points for the regulation win. 2 for O/T or S/O win, and the same loser point for the S/O loss.
2-Keep the not using S/Os to decide ties, but go with Holland’s suggestion of 4 minutes 4 on 4 O/T. and then 3 on 3 for the other 4 minutes of an 8 min O/T. I would imagine that the number of S/Os would go way way down.
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No!
I hate ties. It goes against everything that sports should really mean. Just like in life someone has to lose and it doesn’t always have to be fair or just. If anything the NHL should just suck it up and do away with the loser point. If a skills competition is good enough for a world class game like soccer, it’s good enough for the regular season of the NHL.
Loser point + manufactured parity and more playoff "races"
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oops =
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I think people overstate the "manufactured parity"
A. I don’t think the NHL brain trust is smart enough to have planned for that.
B. It all kind of evens out in the end anyway.
which soccer are you referring to?
this one?

or this one?

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Personally, I don't care for soccer
Considering those are two exact things we hate people using to stereotype vancouver i think that might be a touch hypocritical.
My point was that regardless of riots, diving or my personal feelings about it there’s no denying it’s the most popular sport in the world and if they can use a shootout to decide games it’s probably good enough for the little ol’ NHL
my point is
there may be good things about soccer. the shootout ain’t one of them. neither is this stuff. hockey would do well to stop incorporating elements of soccer into it’s routine.
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@KentBaskyNM
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So tie's are better?
Then everyone gets a point. Wouldn’t that worsen the manufactured parity argument. It would be interesting to see how different the standings would be if that were the case. For the sake or argument you could just say no overtime or ot and award each team a point instead and see if the standings would be vastly different.
better than losing
and still getting a point. I could live with shutouts if there wasn’t a freebie point attached to it
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I’m not totally sure what you argument is exactly, but there are ties all over in soccer. The only time it’s decided by penalty kicks are in playoff situations during championships. Pretty much every soccer league has ties (I don’t know anything about MLS).
The argument from my pov is
That if it’s good enough for soccer playoffs to be decided by shootout I think it’s good enough for NHL regular season games. Anything is better than a tie. Is there anything less satisfying than sitting through an entire sporting even where nothing gets decided and everybody gets a point? Talk about manufacturing parity.
But that’s not manufacturing parity… that IS parity. If you can play the entirety of whatever amount of time constitutes a “game,” and you’re tied at the end, those teams have parity.
Manufactured parity is making sure that even if you lose a lot, so long as you do it at the right time, you still get something. Keeps the standings much closer.
thats exactly what I meant.
makes it more likely that teams like Fla,TB and Wash this year will have full houses most the rest of the way.
Even out West, the Ducks are still …what 10-12 out and thinking “can we just get on a run”?
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As a non-soccer fan...
The idea of having a big game go to penalty kicks seems like the most absolutely lame thing possible.
If you play for 60 minutes, and you’re tied….. and then you play for 5 (or 10) more, and you’re STILL tied….. maybe.. it’s just a tie?
Can't really say why, but I like it without ties. Maybe it's the finality which is appealing.
Hodgson on Hansen--
"I've never played with a guy who creates so many offensive turnovers.
I really enjoy playing with him."
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if i could photoshop, i’d have an AV juggling image by now to use for the gamethread……
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that’s actually pretty good.
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I don't think it's messed up
He just looks like he has a bit of pancake makeup on. AV as the tragic clown. Smiling and juggling on the outside, just as angsty as the rest of us on the inside.
lol
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Av: where’s murph. Me: your lines scared him off today. Av: I don’t blame him
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fight! fight! fight!
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#canucks Henrik Sedin told me AV split the twins up for close to 10 games back in 2008/2009. I do not remember that.
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Just talked to #canucks Daniel Sedin who said his brother is clueless. It was more like 5 or 6 games in the 2nd half of the 07/08 season.
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According to @TSNBobMcKenzie,#Isles have agreed to 4 yr $11 million contract extension w/ Frans Nielsen.
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good deal if he keeps growing, already good
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