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Canucks At Predators Recap ; Meh (3-1L)

The first time in 22 games the Canucks have not scored at least twice occurred tonight. The first regulation loss since January 15th. You'll excuse me if I can't work up too much angst, though I will give it a shot!

Besides, Alain Vigneault had enough for all of us. I must have heard at least three "are you kidding me"'s with the arms in the air, while jumping up on the bench this game. From Tootoo to Gill, to just about anyone in front of Rinne's net, they got away with a fair amount, but in today's NHL, where we just don't know anymore what is and isn't a call, you'll excuse the Canucks coach his histrionics. He is usually not on the referees that much. But even the coach that asks the team not to "talk" is not a perfect man, and should be excused when he does "work the officials" like he was tonight.

Truth is, the Predators hit two posts when it was 2-1, Roberto Luongo robbed Kostitsyn and especially Shea Weber.

The Preds deserved to win. They were the better team.

Does not mean I have to like it.

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- Mike Fisher had a great game for the Preds. He got a bit of a bounce on the opening goal on the power play, but was the one that shoved it in. Sami Salo was a bit slow to react to it, and the puck from the nice Suter pass clipped off of Luongo right to Mr. Underwood. Still, Salo did not react to it quick enough, and probably should have been covering the back door play a little tighter.

- It was the play on the second goal for the Preds, on the penalty kill, that was the killer tonight. Again, it was Salo, but this time it was more the good play from the other guy. The power play was doing quite well, but a puck just down the boards far enough to make Sami think was the killer. Mike Fisher made a very nice play on him to keep the puck instead of chipping it, and then he was off to the races. It was the pass though, that made the play. With Alex Edler playing the 2 on 1 quite well, Fisher had to make a very skillful saucer pass over him. He did, and it was perfect, right on the stick to let Kostitsyn blast away. Luongo had no chance on that one.

- Roberto Luongo was not the one to be blamed on this one. Without him, in a game where the Canucks did not battle through enough, especially in the third, this one would have been worse. Sure, he had a couple posts help him out. So did Rinne on a David Booth chance. But Shea Weber made a great move on him, and should have scored. He forgot his Olympic teammate does not give up on the puck, ever. The Kostitsyn chance a bit later, Dan Hamhuis recovered enough from his turnover to trouble the shot, but that was a fine example of a goalie being strong in the crease to deny the backhand. The Canucks outshot the Preds 33-28 in this one, and had some chances. But I would surmise that the greater chances were for the home team tonight.

- The home team won 15 of 21 draws in the first period. They also gave it away a lot ( 7-1 in the first ), and had to scramble and count on the goaltender early. He made a huge one on Burrows in the first, and was pretty big in the first power play for Vancouver, where they had pressure for the entire two minutes. The shots that were getting through were being covered well. Rinne commanded his crease well all game. You knew that the guy that is now the NHL leader in wins with 33 would not have a fourth "bad" game against the Canucks.

- The Canucks did not have their best tonight, but that is not to say that they did not have their chances. David Booth was unlucky to hit the post ( and , lets call it "unlucky" to not have a call on Weber soon after, when he blatantly shoved him into the net while the pressure was building. That was interference, or delay of game. The future Canuck got away with one there for sure ) But after the 2-0 goal, and that great power play, it was Dale Weise, of all people, that opened the scoring. He was the beneficiary of a defensive faceoff win by Manny Malhotra, and good work by Maxim Lapierre, and some luck as Smith's stick was in there. But going to the net is never a bad thing, and it was nice to see him get rewarded. The 4th line for the Canucks was very solid tonight.

- The third line, or the Triple H line, was also good, and one of the most dangerous. Cody Hodgson had a solid game, but his last pass was getting deflected away a little too much for me. Credit the Preds for having some good sticks in their own end.

- In his 500th game, Alex Burrows was involved, to say the least. He made a clean hit on Weber, and got an elbow in the mush as a reward. Instead of backing off the soon to be Canuck, he got right back in his face. Weber overpowered him to the ice, but there was no quit in him. He finished with 3 shots ( missed 1 ), far better than Daniel's 1, and Henrik's none, and was getting in there all night. It did not work out for you tonight Burr', but don't think it does not go unnoticed. Hard work is what got him here, and its what you see every time he is on the ice.

- Lets cut the Twins some slack on the call in shows there, TEAM 1040 dialers. I am not even listening, but I am willing to wager at least one of them will say that they were not strong enough, or did not do enough, etc. They were in the other end a lot, and they took a bunch of abuse and kept on coming. Yes, there was not a goal or two from some Sedinery tonight. But it was not from lack of trying. Sometimes you have to give the other team some credit.

- David Booth was unlucky not to get rewarded tonight though. Apart from the post, he had 6 shots, missed one, and had a block ( a big one on Suter ) His going to the net ended up causing a pure gimme for Mason Raymond to sweep into an empty net. But you know what happened. It has been like that for Mase lately. he was flying tonight, and hunted pucks very well. But his inability to click with those other two, and his dangles with the puck without getting it to the right guy, are hampering the second line's effectiveness. I hate to agree with the media types that will be throwing the man under the bus. But I am starting to see where some of them are coming from. I still believe in Raymond, but there is no doubt he is thinking too much, and struggling as a result.

- OK, the more I look at the penalty that resulted in the only power play goal tonight, the more I have to get something off my chest. On that play, and on the one on Aaron Rome, it was embellishment that helped the referees along. Yes, I get it Preds fans. You like calling the Canucks divers ( even though it was your team that led the playoffs last year with diving penalties ). But Henrik Sedin simply did not do anything wrong. He went to the guy and their skates touched. its not his fault that Craig Smith was turning at that time. Its certainly not his fault that the guy assumed the "soccer player" position and threw the arms out to get the attention of the officials. I can only assume that they teach the rookies the same thing, what with the flailing legs of Gabriel Bourque as he took the opportunity to skate through Rome's stick. The defenseman obviously made the mistake of having the stick in there, and that is a penalty, but come on Preds and your fans. At least look without bias at your own team ( you know, the one that was given multiple diving penalties in just two playoff rounds. Also with the only GM so upset by the prevalence of the practice that Bob Murray took the unusual step of "going public". GMs are usually too canny to do that in the playoffs. He knew the shitstorm, and possibly iffy calls against his team afterwards would result. Its pretty telling that he felt so strongly that he called out the Preds anyhow ) before shouting and getting all upset at dives that you "think" you see. It is why it makes the referees' job so tough. You cannot really blame them as a result. Do the Canucks embellish? Of course, all teams do try to get the refs to see the call. But please, come up with a new thing if you want to complain about the Canucks. Perhaps how mean Kevin Bieksa seems to play against your team. Maybe Alex Burrows. He did force JP Dumont out of the NHL two years after he hit him. Oh wait, he is still playing in Switzerland? Hmmm, maybe he was just not good enough? Now, before you get mad, let me be clear. Its not the embellishment, a sad fact of the game. Its the insistence that the Canucks are the only ones that do it. C'mon Man!

- One guy that is good enough is Hal Gill. He is slower than molasses, and that might be a problem at times for the Preds. You could see that the Canuck speed was giving him trouble when they got him to turn. But he has been traded at the deadline to playoff teams multiple times because of his size, and his smarts. Both were on display tonight. He ended up with a second assist on the short handed goal, and had 2 hits. It was the 3 takeaways ( led his team ) and the fact that his 16:05 on ice ( 1:39 PK ) enabled them to have both Weber and Suter play 23 minutes instead of 26-27 minutes. That will be a big help with those young defensemen they have. It certainly makes them a better team. His lack of foot speed may still cost them in the long run, but damn, I wish my team would have traded for him!

- Stats that help tell the tale ; After only winning 6 draws out of 21 in the first period, the visitors made it 20 apiece after two, and had a 31-27 edge at the end of the game, led by Kesler's 9 of 16, and Cody Hodgson's 5 of 8. All lines were a minus or an even but for the fourth line, all plus one due to the Weise goal. Of the 33 shots for the Canucks, 13 were from the point men. Most of them did not have enough traffic to trouble a top flight goaltender like Pekka Rinne. The Preds also paid the price in their own end a little more than the Canucks, blocking 16 shots compared to 9 for the visitors. The Canucks also missed the net 9 times to only 4 for the Preds, with Cody Hodgson having 2 misses and none on net. Alex Edler also missed 2 from the point. Those blocks and misses do not help your power play, no matter how nicely you throw it around.

So, there you go. The Preds were full value for their win, and while I think the Canucks were not at their best tonight, you have to think that the greater work effort of the Preds had something to do with that. Oh well, on to a battle for first place with the Wings on Thursday.

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And before PfPP and some of the other Preds fans get all indignant about the “diving” talk, let me clarify. I don’t like when my team does it, and I don’t like when anyone embellishes.

Tonight, those were not even very bad embellishments. But they were embellishments, and I just get a little annoyed with this “Oh, the Canucks are divers” from Preds fans when their team does the same damn thing.

Like I said, only one team last year had multiple diving penalties in the playoffs. Tootoo’s cost his team a game in the playoffs versus the Canucks I think.

So, thats where that is coming from. Glass house residents and all that…

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by vancitydan on Feb 21, 2012 9:17 PM PST reply actions  

the one that got me

was klein in the first. Blatant dive, lays on the ice waiting for a call. When he doesn’t get it he jumps up and finishes the shift. But yeah, the canucks are the worst divers.

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by Twitchy2010 on Feb 22, 2012 6:32 AM PST up reply actions  

He got hit in the face with the puck.

No dive there dude.

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by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Feb 22, 2012 10:00 AM PST up reply actions  

don't think

they showed that replay up here… i saw lay down, look at the ref for a call, not get one, then get up and finish the shift. But…as I said they didn’t show a replay of it that I saw.

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by Twitchy2010 on Feb 22, 2012 7:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Well said, coupla points:

1. Embellishment is rampant all over the NHL. I can’t stand it, just like I couldn’t stand it last night when Hodgson chicken-winged then fell over Bouillon’s stick to draw a BS call a la Kesler’s playoff dive last year. That kinda stuff just plain sucks…..probably due to all the soccer players from Europe coming over to NA to play hockey and then Canadian and Americans pick up on that shit and do it too. I’m not saying that we don’t do it too, I’m just saying that it sucks all the way around.
2. Another great game by two really good teams. Both goalies were stellar and you’re right about Luongo playing lights out last night. I thought the Legwand goal was a little soft, but he made way too many great saves to not be recognized.
3. Pekka > Luongo, and he’s worth every penny of his $7M per year. He is the only reason why we are able to “weather storms.”
4. Weber a future Canuck? Wishful thinking (and LMAO).
5. That’s two out of three we took from y’all this year with one draw. HA!!!
6. Good luck the rest of the way. Nucks are a great team.
7. See y’all in the Western Conference Final. We will win 4 games to 1.

Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is where the Stanley Cup can be found.

by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Feb 22, 2012 9:59 AM PST up reply actions  

Pekka > Luongo?

Pekka only finished half the games they’ve played against the Canucks this year. Pekka = overrated.

by Canuckelhead on Feb 22, 2012 10:22 AM PST up reply actions  

LOL!!!

Not a chance!

Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is where the Stanley Cup can be found.

by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Feb 22, 2012 10:35 AM PST up reply actions  

You could put me in net

Behind weber Suter and that defensive minded team and I’d win a vezina

by Canuckelhead on Feb 22, 2012 12:10 PM PST up reply actions  

We'll have to sign you up then.....

…..Mr. Rinne.

Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is where the Stanley Cup can be found.

by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Feb 22, 2012 12:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Do you think its a coincidence

That Nashville always seems to have a “star” goalie? What ever happened to Ellis after he left? Or vokoun for that matter?

by Canuckelhead on Feb 22, 2012 12:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Look at their year(s) after they were "stellar"

You’ll see that they were pretty “unstellar.”

I’m no saying that we don’t play a system conducive to goalie stats, but Rinne is the best we’ve ever had by far.

And you’ve seen it yourself.

Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is where the Stanley Cup can be found.

by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Feb 22, 2012 12:24 PM PST up reply actions  

What i've seen myself

Is Rinne get chased from the net by the Canucks twice this year and look very average in the playoffs last year. I see a goalie who has faults even the most casual fan can see. Such as, the overuse of his trapper, getting caught too deep in his net like on the booth post last night etc.

by Canuckelhead on Feb 22, 2012 12:38 PM PST up reply actions  

See below for a detailed response.

And of course Rinne is susceptible to having bad games. I mean even the best goalies can have bad stretches, which you well know.

Faults? PSHAW! The way I see it, he has no faults. You must love the whole Pekka to be a Pekka-lover (no jokes, just understand the point). Anything he pisses me off with (like somethimes misplaying the puck behind his own net, not using his trapper enough) I take with a grain of salt because what makes him the best player in the NHL is the sum of all of his parts.

Obviously biased, but that’s my story and I’m sticking to it.

Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is where the Stanley Cup can be found.

by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Feb 22, 2012 12:57 PM PST up reply actions  

I didn't get your question prior to my initial response, sorry.

Vokoun, since leaving the Preds had one year with FLA (the first year after he left us) where he had a SV% of .919. Since then (incl. this year), he has had a SV% of .920 every year; a feat that he only accomplished once with the Preds.And when eyeballing it, his GAA is about the same despite being on arguably the worst team in the NHL over that period.

In 07-08 Ellis had a SV% of .924 and a GAA of 2.34. A great year for sure! The following year (w/the Preds) he was at .900 and 2.93 GAA in almost as many games and then the following year he was .909 and 2.64 (also w/Preds). He’s pretty much bottomed out since then.

In 06-07 Chris Mason was at .925 and 2.38 GAA for us. The next year (with the Preds) in about as many games he was at .898 and 2.90.

Rinne is in the .925 to .930 and 2.10 to 2.30 range in consecutive years with us. The only years he’s faltered is when he was playing musical goalies with Ellis. Since he’s been the undisputed #1, he’s been the best player in the NHL.

Collectively, it doesn’t appear to be the system, it appears to be the goalie.

Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is where the Stanley Cup can be found.

by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Feb 22, 2012 12:53 PM PST up reply actions  

You don't need to break out the statistics

I was just messing with you. Of course Rinne’s a good goalie. Best player in the NHL might be a stretch and it’s impossible to judge who’s better, him or Luongo at this stage in his career. He has a long way to go to put up the consistency of someone like Luongo but he’s off to a pretty good start to his career. Kinda like Dan Ellis was ;)

by Canuckelhead on Feb 22, 2012 1:07 PM PST up reply actions  

LOL, jerk!
Kinda like Dan Ellis was ;)

Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is where the Stanley Cup can be found.

by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Feb 22, 2012 1:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah ...numbers!

1- Glad, you got the bigger point, but you are sure reaching. Cody Hodgson made a great shift in the corner, and your boy stuck out his leg. The penalty was down below, not up top. ("you should call yourself “chicken wing” the way you whine about that call. Weber should not have gotten his stick in there!)
2- Play goal, and tell me how you read a puck on edge when its shot. That one could have easily went over the net, into the corner, or into the top corner. Similar to Burrows goal to sink Chicago last year. They are always lucky when they go in off a rolling puck.
3- Pekka is good. Call me when he has the 2nd career best save % since they started keeping the stat, and has maintained it for 10 years like Luongo. There is only one guy that can claim that, and that is Hasek, and he only did it for a few years. Nice try though, but Luongo is the better goalie.
4- Hey, its going to happen. Heard it from a friend who heard it from his dad, whose cousin goes fishing with Weber at Mara lake in the offseason! ;-)
5- Interesting math. Its two two dude, get with the NHL program!
6-Thanks, you to, so are the Preds this year.
7- BUT, unless they get more offense, I am afraid there is no way that team makes it to the 3rd round. Great defense and systems play only gets you so far. Kosty had a nice goal last night, but if you think he and Fisher are going to carry you in a seven game series, well, good luck with that. Imagine facing the Coyotes in the first round, or St Louis…then get back to me. Anything can happen though!

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by vancitydan on Feb 22, 2012 11:01 AM PST up reply actions  

On the defense, as usual.

I was trying to be nice. Those chicken wings are non-disputable, except by a certain silver-fingered fox named Dan. And glad to hear about Luongo’s illustrious career…if I thought you believed he’s as good as Pekka, I’d argue the point. But that would be like screaming at a tree.

When we get Radulov back for the playoffs, you’ll be whistlin’ Dixie with the rest of us :) My biggest fear is that our uncontrollable / undeniably great PP will disappear in the playoffs and then we’ll be in big trouble. But if not, we’ll be a force. We have 4 fast, hard charging lines that will wear MFers out.

But only time will tell…… Again, good luck the rest of the way and hope we meet again.

Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is where the Stanley Cup can be found.

by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Feb 22, 2012 12:10 PM PST up reply actions  

The only non-disputable chicken wings are at cactus club.

by Canuckelhead on Feb 22, 2012 12:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Ginger is my favorite dancer there.

Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is where the Stanley Cup can be found.

by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Feb 22, 2012 12:24 PM PST up reply actions  

much different cactus club

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by Twitchy2010 on Feb 22, 2012 6:57 PM PST up reply actions  

defense?

dude…whatever

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by vancitydan on Feb 22, 2012 3:31 PM PST up reply actions  

haha, see you in the playoffs........................

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by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Feb 22, 2012 3:53 PM PST up reply actions  

too defensive?

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by vancitydan on Feb 22, 2012 4:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Preds Fan

Actually, I really like you ‘nucks fans and hearing your side of things. (compared to blackhawk and wing fans) you guys really love your hockey and usually aren’t total D-bags about everything. (and no not all BH and Wing fans are) But, I’ve met a lot of really nice people from Vancouver. Last year during the playoffs actually. I may go visit up there sometime and check out Canada. That is..after your city gets put back together.. too soon? too soon? :P

Your team did great on that power play, 2 full minutes basically of sustained pressure in the Preds end. Also, you showed lots of speed and great passing. Pekka played well, and our forwards hung in there. Seems like this season we’ve been capitalizing more on our breakaways & odd man rushes. It’s always exciting when our teams match up and play because it’s like a playoff atmosphere every time. GL the rest of the way, friends

by MeSoHornqvsit on Feb 22, 2012 10:44 AM PST up reply actions  

Thanks.

We’ll be sure to sweep up the broken glass before you visit.

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by Smoboy41 on Feb 22, 2012 10:49 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

But we cant make any promises about the graffiti.

by Canuckelhead on Feb 22, 2012 12:12 PM PST up reply actions  

The sedins are gonna need a break before the playoffs

It’s one thing to look good against the edmontons and torontos of the NHL but they were back to looking like they had no jump tonight. Not dissimilar from how they looked by the end of the playoffs last year and it just seems like at their age they need more time off than they got this off-season. In my opinion that’s far more important than winning the presidents trophy.
Having said that I totally agree with you Dan, just one game.

by Canuckelhead on Feb 21, 2012 9:47 PM PST reply actions  

Based on

Salo’s play last night, I’d say he could use a rest.

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by Smoboy41 on Feb 22, 2012 10:51 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

also rome

/me ducks sean’s thrown shoe.

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by Twitchy2010 on Feb 22, 2012 6:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Tim Peel's crew was doing the officiating.

So, there was that.

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by DonBorvio on Feb 22, 2012 7:33 AM PST reply actions  

Dan, I’ve got to say you are wrong on the embellishment. It was a weak call, though. As were most of the calls tonight. That doesn’t mean embellishment. The call they got right? Burrows and Weber.

what with the flailing legs of Gabriel Bourque
If you were a Preds fan, you would know that this usually happens a couple times each game, and, usually, there isn’t even anyone around him.

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by cisar on Feb 22, 2012 9:24 AM PST reply actions  

Didn’t Weber elbow Burrows in the face, right after Burrows checked him? I thought elbowing in the mouth is illegal, but I might be wrong

Los Angeles, CA

by AttilaS on Feb 22, 2012 10:09 AM PST up reply actions  

burrows did hit him in the numbers

he hit him from behind, Weber gave him a little shot, they tussled. I’d say it was all pretty fair.

by Canuckelhead on Feb 22, 2012 10:20 AM PST up reply actions  

You’re right, if he hit from behind, that would explain why Weber was upset.

Fair call then.

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by AttilaS on Feb 22, 2012 10:33 AM PST up reply actions  

It was close to borderline

but that happens all the time. It was being overpowered into his bench that pissed our future #1 defenseman off.

By strict rules adherence, perhaps, but I would doubt that would be called. And if they let that go, the little shot from Weber in return could have been called ( it was just as egregious or worse, an elbow to the head )…but I was OK with it not being.

The same as I was OK with the two minutes. Pretty slick of Shea too, making everyone think its a fight. When you read his lips, he is obviously saying “so, where is best now, D/T in Yaletown, or over the Lions Gate in West Van”. He was just getting real estate advice from Burrows!

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by vancitydan on Feb 22, 2012 11:06 AM PST up reply actions  

Haha! Don’t forget the little stick-to-leg slap Burrows gave him after they moved away from the boards. I think he actually wanted to go with him. If nothing else, to get him off the ice for five.

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by cisar on Feb 22, 2012 11:28 AM PST up reply actions  

For what it's worth

That non-call on the booth play was right after a canuck had literally taken the stick out of a predators hand and tossed it, there was no call on that. Not that I agree with that kind of reffing but that probably explains it. They missed one so they let one go.

by Canuckelhead on Feb 22, 2012 12:20 PM PST reply actions  

Isn’t there an assumption in there – that they missed something that otherwise should have been called – that they have no business making?

“Hmm, looks suspicious, but I didn’t see what happened. Potentially something illegal! Better let something illegal go the other way!”

If they really didn’t see something, which I certainly accept happens all the time, then they didn’t miss a penalty when they turn around to find a player on their ass, they may have missed a penalty. The default position of letting the next one go is lazy reffing, and poor reasoning.

by NS_Cix on Feb 22, 2012 3:28 PM PST up reply actions  

its called

“game management”

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by vancitydan on Feb 22, 2012 3:33 PM PST up reply actions  

fancy word for “bullshit”

by NS_Cix on Feb 22, 2012 4:55 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree

It’s BS but it happens all the time. What’s even worse is when they see something, but let it go. Then they feel like they need to let the something go if the other team does something even if it’s just a little more obvious. Obviously with two refs that can cause a pretty big clusterF. By the way, I think that’s exactly what happened in this case.

by Canuckelhead on Feb 22, 2012 4:55 PM PST up reply actions  

I wish

they had a head ref, and enabled the linesmen to help him out when they see shit.

It drives me bonkers when the guy looking right at it does not make the call, but the guy at centre ice does.

Hate the two ref system

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by vancitydan on Feb 22, 2012 6:52 PM PST up reply actions  

i'm confused

u hate the two ref system cuz the center ice guy might see something the other ref doesn’t, but u want the linesmen to be able to make calls the ref doesn’t see? Huh?

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by Twitchy2010 on Feb 22, 2012 7:01 PM PST up reply actions  

One guy in control Twitch

One guy. So many times in the two ref system, you see a marginal call from one ref, and then another on the other team from the other ref shortly after as they “manage the game”.

Now, I like 4 on 4 as much as the next guy, but I would rather that they have one guy in control. If they are worried about missing stuff, that is what the linesmen are there for, to help.

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by vancitydan on Feb 23, 2012 8:57 AM PST up reply actions  

I hate the two ref system too

The concept is a good one. A great one in fact. Two refs, both calling any penalty they see, meaning very little gets missed. The problem is the refs are still managing the game or letting the circumstances dictate what they call rather than just calling penalties as they see them and tuning everything else out. If the NHL doesn’t intend for the refs to call everything anyway they might as well get the extra guy off the ice and let the one guy manage the game. The old system worked for that.

I think I understand what you’re saying about the linesmen, but he would have to limited to calling major penalties or you have the same flawed system you have now.

by Canuckelhead on Feb 22, 2012 9:43 PM PST up reply actions  

One ref.

While we’re at it- wood sticks, no ads on the ice, fedoras on the male spectators, and chicken wire instead of plexiglas.

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by Smoboy41 on Feb 23, 2012 10:03 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Huh?

So from your sacrcastic response I guess I should assume you like the two red system. Or do you just embrace all rule changes regardless of how they affect the game? Maybe you think we should bring back the no toe in the crease rule?

by Canuckelhead on Feb 23, 2012 11:30 AM PST up reply actions  

The key indicator that the 2-ref system doesn’t work very well is how rarely (and I’m trying to think of a single example as I write this) you see both refs put their arms up at the same time to make the same call. Surely there would be instances where both refs see a blatant penalty, yet this doesn’t seem to happen. This suggests one of two things:
- either they never both see it
- one ref is differing to the other to let him make the call

The first is ridiculous, and the second is, again, lazy reffing.

For the record, I think the single best and easiest thing the NHL could do to improve reffing is allow them to “pick up the flag” as it were. Arm up – play stops – refs consult – realize error – face off with no penalty.

by NS_Cix on Feb 23, 2012 12:57 PM PST up reply actions  

that would be nice

I could live with the two ref system if they did that.

They only do it now on too many men and the puck over the boards penalties…

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by vancitydan on Feb 23, 2012 3:06 PM PST up reply actions  

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