#EmbraceTheHate ; "Attaboy Mike Gillis" Edition
To tell the truth, I was going to let this series rest for a while. Let the subject age a little in its fine oaken casket of supposed hatred for the Canucks. Try to turn the metaphorical cheek as the Leafs come to town.
Some of us Canuck fans did duly note the various "Why the Canucks Are Not Canada's Team" articles from some of the Eastern puck media in the rounds leading up to the Finals last year. Most of us noted that, and then went back to reading the Botchfords and McIntyres ( x2) from our local media.
Those guys might have felt a bit put upon in the press box for all the barbs and missives that followed, from the way Burrows Nibble was blown up to Shakespearean level, to a seemingly "not that bad" comment from Roberto Luongo having a life span far longer than anything else.
But there is no way that we can not do an #EmbraceTheHate when the man at the top, the Big Canuck Kahuna himself, @GMMikeGillis just flat out takes out the hockey glove and slaps that same media across the metaphorical face. Read the Cam Cole article, nod knowingly or gasp at those "whiners" just going off again, and we'll see you on the other side.
It goes without saying that the idiocy of these perpetrators is unquestioned. I would add that there are idiots everywhere, lots of large urban areas have had riots both for winning and losing championships in any one of the Big Four sports.
It is probably more a reflection on our society and our problems. Add in the difference in how some children experience growing up, with two parents working. A generational difference in discipline, the dubiousness of the "how to raise your children" books that abound,from everyone from Dr Spock to Sarah Palin to "help" but really don't. The TV as babysitter. Latchkey kids. Its not a simple question, nor does it have simple answers.
Certainly it is not something that should be attached to all Canuck fans, the team, or even the city, any more than it should in any city. This is not anything that is shockingly new, or anything. But it will most certainly be thought of in terms more in line with Milan Lucic 's girlfriend on the matter. She should know that those are not fans, and that we all agree with her on the broad strokes. That most of us totally agree with everything but the shots at the team, of course!
But this is more about Big Daddy Canuck and his quotes today from the newspaper article in today's Sun. That he espoused what some of us around here had said back in June was surprising, welcomed, and even a little shocking. Mike Gillis is nothing but a thoughtful man. Make no mistake, Mr Gillis measured his words for the greatest effect, you don't say this...
"Our biggest issue last year with team perception occurred when Canadian media from other cities showed up here for the playoffs and wanted to accuse us of all sorts of nefarious things because their own [crap] teams weren’t in the playoffs," he said.
"They created a huge storm of negativity around our team ... [that] started by saying we could never be Canada’s Team because the exalted Toronto Maple Leafs owned that perch. It got to the point where I was getting calls about it from radio shows in the U.S."
...on the weekend all those same people you are talking about if you do not want the point to get maximum effect. ( pretty sure the {crap} emphasis is Cam's own. )
Now, of course that will also play into that same narrative that annoyed us last summer. The Damien Cox's of the world are pretty predictable in how they might digest the above nuggets. Hell, Mark Spector has surprised us a bit from time to time, and I am almost certain he will say something on Twitter at least. They just can't help themselves.
We can though. The same story speaks of schoolchildren already cleaning up. From the response on Twitter yesterday, I have no doubt they had plenty of help. Mike Gillis was right on there too, talking of the fact "some stupid people did some stupid stuff. Its embarrassing as a citizen of Vancouver." That is more the people that cheer this team, not these idiots.
It is embarrassing. It speaks nothing of a team that does things like Roberto Luongo and that young goaltender with the brain surgery. You watch the video, and he is not playing for the cameras. They honestly enjoy that stuff. It is who they are. The Twins and their fantastic generosity, Canucks Place, a fundraising charity arm and community work ethos that is sincere and very appreciated by Canuck fans. Those are the people we cheer for, as much as the variety of multicoloured jerseys throughout the years.
The ones that are Canuck fans? The folks that clean up after riots, or got beaten up that night in mid June. I woke up at 10 that morning, and by the time I got down there an hour later it was almost all done. An overflow of people came out. As the sentencing meanders along as these folks get through the justice system, there will be plenty of time to hear about the types of people that did what they did.
The former are the folks that get to say "We Are All Canucks" and mean it. Not some punk kid or spoilt brat teen that thinks he is being "cool". But to treat it as anything more than the embarrassment it was is not positive or helpful. Connecting this to the team and players that do so much, and bring so much entertainment just seems wrong to me. But there is Canuck Hate, so what do you do?
Just enjoy it. When that Leaf fan in the next seat in the Sittler jersey tells you how horrible Alex Burrows is, because he "saw it on HNIC, and Ron MacLean said so. He BIT someone!" , just remind him of the rest of the story. How the guy was a 23 year old in Greensville playing for the Growlll, thinking about going back to school and being a teacher to earn more than the $425.00 a week, got a break as a tryout with the Manitoba Moose.
How he answered the challenge of his coach after his first year by coming back as a Terror Twin, and then the best linemate the Sedin Twins have ever had. He did all of that by sheer force of will and hard work. When people that know were telling him that being a World Ball Hockey Champ in 2003 and 2005 would be "it" for him.
Listen to this interview today, and tell me you don't find yourself agreeing with B'Mac on how "there's a book in there", or how real and sincere is his love of the game and desire to perform in the best league in the world. The guy puts up numbers and a level of play that is easily as good as some we saw at the All Star Game this year, and the perception of him ( perhaps rightly...agitation is just part of his game, and a by product of going so hard all the time ) is this horribly dirty player ( though he has never been suspended, and only came close once with the JP Dumont hit that still draws him boos in Nashville ) player that is somehow suspect.
Don't kid yourself. The various media articles and such from a variety of markets not servicing Vancouver have rightly or wrongly painted him as something that he is not. Or dealt with what he is in an overwrought fashion. Sometimes that shit is hard to shake.
I know I sometimes feel that some media folks take some liberties with the team I care about. In the end though, that is their opinion. If Canadian fans that know and love hockey still want to hate the Canucks and their fans after watching that run, and that hate is sincere, so be it. It was entertaining as hell out here on the Left Coast, the end result aside.
I'd like to think the team and the way they play garnered a few more fans along the way. Hell, the Air Canada Centre was half Blue and Green the last time the Canucks visited. You see a growing number of them around the league when the team is on the road. They must be doing something right.
Mike Gillis just said what a lot of Canuck fans were thinking, or have thought at some point. It will be interesting to see the response ( or lack of it...this could be their only Canadian team in the playoffs again! ) on the panel with luminaries like Mike Milbury and Glenn Healy address the comments.
Maybe that was what Mike was going for. Make them really own it or just back off. Either can work. Us against the world!
#EmbraceTheHate
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In the end though, that is their opinion.
That’s what #embracethehate is all about to me. Not letting someone else’s opinion affect me, or the way I feel about my team. I didn’t riot. I didn’t vandalize that church. (though both situations saddened me). And 99 out of 100 people in this city, and this fanbase, are good people. I know this. I’ve been following this team for 10 years. I live in this city. If people outside of Vancouver refuse to see that, and would rather tar everyone with the same brush, that’s their problem.
BTW, someone on twitter linked to this ESPN article from last year that went over sports riots. I was shocked at how many have happened just since 2000. I had no idea.
They once made a Kevin Bieksa toilet paper, but it wouldn't take shit from anybody.
"To make our way, we must have firm resolve, persistence, tenacity. We must gear ourselves to work hard all the way. We can never let up." -Ralph Bunche
by raincity on Feb 17, 2012 9:26 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
Thanks for the link, raincity. So it looks like we are neck-and-neck with Oakland and Peru in terms of rioting after a championship LOSS. Pretty fucking lame, Vancouver.
"Either you give it right back or the next thing you know everyone and his brother will be trying you on for size." - Doug Harvey
by reggiedunlop on Feb 17, 2012 9:56 PM PST up reply actions
Oakland sounds the closest to us
In January 2003, looters and rioters took over the better part of 50 blocks along International Avenue in Oakland, Calif., after the Raiders lost to the Buccaneers in Super Bowl XXXVII. The San Francisco Chronicle reported that lawbreakers taunted police, burned cars, threw bottles, ransacked a McDonald’s restaurant, vandalized other businesses and chanted, “Raiders rule. F—- the police.” Hannibal Willis, a member of the rap group Hazardous Materials, told the Chronicle, “We lost, and that bothers a lot of the young people out here. A lot of them are real Raider friends. I ain’t gonna lie — if we had won, we would have done the same thing, but milder.”
unfortunately. The thing is, that list is probably incomplete. I remember more than one occurrence of a big loss in these various cities where they had people doing some shit on the streets.
By Boston standards, by far the most often recently, the “riot” they recently had when losing to the Giants was not a riot. Just a bunch of collage kids having fun getting beaten and taunting policemen. A few small garbage can fires.
It is lame, but loss “riots” that were not full fledges things happened down there more.
But I will never understand why people riot after a win. Can’t handle being exuberantly happy?
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People don't riot because of a win or loss
Thye riot because mob mentality takes over. It’s why anarchy would never actually work.
by Canuckelhead on Feb 18, 2012 8:59 AM PST up reply actions
And alcohol
They seriously need to put proper walls and gates next time and check for inebriation as well as bottles. I wonder how much it’d cost the Beer and Wine stores to not be allowed to sell liqour the minute we win the Western Conference?
Probably the only way to stop a riot — temporary prohibition.
City
let that slide last year, after the Olympics, they made the mistake of assuming that people were, you know, cool.
You can bet the next run, there will be all sorts of restrictions on alcohol sales
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I'm sure
and hopefully checkpoints at every skytrain station.
by Canuckelhead on Feb 18, 2012 10:22 PM PST up reply actions
Dumb Gillis Dumb.
Next time be an example to your team Mike, shut the fuck up and quit bitching. This is embarrassing.
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I agree with this. I happen to agree with his opinion about the media last year (mostly), but there’s no need to bring it up now, 8 months later.
They once made a Kevin Bieksa toilet paper, but it wouldn't take shit from anybody.
"To make our way, we must have firm resolve, persistence, tenacity. We must gear ourselves to work hard all the way. We can never let up." -Ralph Bunche
It seems relevant to me
Given the way the media is running with the graffiti story as an add on to the riots somehow, seems like damage control. Also a good opportunity to get the us vs the world mentality going within the team. In any case I don’t see how it hurts.
by Canuckelhead on Feb 17, 2012 9:51 PM PST up reply actions
Not embarrassing to me at all
morons spraypainting churches is embarrassing.
Ubermorons rioting and destroying where I live is embarrassing.
I was proud of my guy. Burke does one of these a month, and its called showmanship, or standing up for his guys.
Gillis said nothing that was not true, he just said it a little baldfaced and was more forward the usual with his opinion.
Come on Sean…you telling me you were totally OK with those stories last summer? One “Not Canada’s team” missive after another?
I’d rather he not say it less boldly, but I liked the sentiment myself, and don’t care if anyone here or otherwise calls it bitching.
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I think you read too much internet bullshit. That’s what I think. Was I annoyed at some point? Yes. But it’s long gone. Who gives a fuck about the narrative anymore? I think people should stop. We, esp. when Gillis again spouts off, comes off like a whiny bitch. There’s something to be said for taking the high road.
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by Sean Zandberg on Feb 17, 2012 10:45 PM PST up reply actions
Oh FFS
whiny bitches? Come on now.
It has nothing to do with reading internet bullshit. I was referring to the past, but that shit is where it is, in the past. I could give a shit about it.
The narrative is what it is, and this one was about the narrative being taken proactively by our GM ( because in my interpretation, he has had enough of that line of questioning ).
He knew he was laying out a bomb. Its the same as most things with him, thinking a move or two ahead.
As for the high road, they did that in the playoffs, they did that all this year. They proved they did it again in the non stop Boston bitchfest, where the volume was all one way, and apart from some well placed comments the day after by the coach ( GM said something about Salo being the classiest player around )….THAT was a fine example of a bunch of whiny bitches.
Hell, I agree with you. This series I have tried to say that they should rise above the crap and take the high road.
But I loved how he did this. To one long term columnist. Not in some scrum. After all the questioning on that bullshit, I feel he is entitled to this one.
But I assure you, even without reading the “internet bullshit”, there are plenty of non 604, or even 250 types that care about hating the Canucks. Just read a PD articles and mistakenly scroll down to the comments!
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I like that you state to take the high road. I just disagree with MG’s tactic. I say stop feeding the trolls. I don’t care if it’s one way (Boston) more than the other (Vancouver). Let the Bruins bitch. They will dig their own grave anyway. GMMG should can it. That is my opinion. Just like Lou should have shut his yap about TT in the Finals. Enough with feeding these damned reporters golden nuggets already
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by Sean Zandberg on Feb 17, 2012 11:14 PM PST up reply actions
I get what you are laying down Big Daddy
In this media age, to expect " comment" after every game might be naive!
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WTF
“no comment”
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yeah, I am just getting to a point where I am sick of it. So I vent like a raging middle aged man. I respect your opinions, and will disagree at times.
Well, in regards to the “no comment” thing….yeah, I guess it’s not likely anymore with all the damned media out there. I just fucking hate it. And I think Gillis shoulda taken the high road. Why is he rehashing old times? It just reeks of bitterness to me. Weakness even.
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by Sean Zandberg on Feb 18, 2012 12:51 AM PST up reply actions
To each, his own
The GMMG comment can be taken as weakness and whining by some, and intelligent and confident by others. Regardless of personal opinion however, he said it and now we get to see and hear the media shitstorm that will invariably brew because of it. So I say kick back, grab a beer, and #EmbraceTheHate!
Weakness?
Not a chance. Why shouldn’t GMMG advocate for his team. Behind closed doors, or in the papers, doesn’t really matter to me. There’s a time to be quiet, and a time to let fly. Who cares how anybody else perceives the team or its fans?
Warm winds blowing, heating blue sky, and a road that goes forever...
by Smoboy41 on Feb 18, 2012 10:58 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Clarification?
“Our biggest issue last year with team perception occurred when Canadian media from other cities showed up here for the playoffs and wanted to accuse us of all sorts of nefarious things because their own [crap] teams weren’t in the playoffs,” he said.
“They created a huge storm of negativity around our team … [that] started by saying we could never be Canada’s Team because the exalted Toronto Maple Leafs owned that perch. It got to the point where I was getting calls about it from radio shows in the U.S.”
The bolded portions don’t appear in any version of the article that I can find. Did the Sun scramble to do a bit of damage control after the fact, or did vancitydan add them in to emphasize the point he’s making in this post?
If they are different in the later edition
or the online one…thats on them, not me.
I’ll go back and see that again. Interesting.
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Yup
They changed it!
Interesting, velly interesting
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Sorry
for the accusation…but something was clearly going on there one way or the other.
We need to find someone with the print edition, if the article even made it that far :)
LOL
No doubt GMMG’s phone “blew up” after that article first showed up.
“Jesus, no, I did not say that Gary…oh for fucks sake…fine. I need this line for trades Gary, can you go hassle Burke now?”
“Oh, you mean he’s right there?” ( covers phone, turns to Gilman “why are we not fucking surprised about THAT huh?” )
“Oh, you heard that gary? DAMN your Vulcan hearing…”!!!
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