Canucks At Panthers Recap ; Letdown? (2-1L)
There will be no mentions of a certain player from a certain Eastern team, nor any of the hyperbole and invective.
Just some observations after the break. My "A" game? I always try, but I am a little drained from the weekend festivities and the clamour afterwards.
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- You will not hear me lay this one at Roberto Luongo's feet, even though he should have had that 1st goal. The thing is, he did his job at the start of that play. He deflected the puck to the spot they alway do. It usually leads to a break out, as those type of saves are almost a pass. Maxim Lapierre did not get there quick enough ( a common refrain tonight ). Luongo should have had the fluttering shot from Kulikov. But he did not get it. By that explanation, it was a weak goal. But it certainly should not have put his team into a tailspin that it did. 14-2 on shots in the second period? Unacceptable. But they might have been drained emotionally more than physically tonight. Sometimes, those things have the same effect.
- The 4th line for the Canucks was pretty good. They got the only goal, on a play that Mike Duco helped out on by checking Jovanovski and forcing a bobbled pass that Manny Malhotra chipped by the last man back. He made a very pretty pass to Dale Weise, and all he had to do was chip it in. Count Duco had 3 hits, and a +1 in his 7:26 TOI. Manny was OK, but maybe had his worst night in the circle all season, going 3 for 11. The line blender was out in the third, and it did work, with the visitors coming on strong. But through the first two periods, Dale Weise and those two were solid, even when they got caught out in their own end against the Cat's more offensive players.
- For all that, one thing I did observe is the stats guy in Florida probably spends his time scanning the crowd for babes, and just hits the button on things like the draws. The final number was 29-25 for the Panthers, but I stopped taking him seriously after the first period. He had them at 11-5 for the Cats at that point. I thought I saw more than 5 draws won in the first period for the Canucks, but I was not keeping count THAT closely. He's the NHL stats guy, and I am not. He also had the Panthers at 26-20 in hits.
- For all that, the downfall was the second period, where the visitors seemed to be on a beach somewhere instead of in a hockey game. Give it to the home team. They came on after a first period where they were good early, and held on ( thanks to Clemmenson ) through most of that period. The second was given to them, and the third looked like a classic trap team style ( where they got the turnover chances, but clogged up the neutral zone ) For as bad as the Canucks were in their 14-2 shots against period, the Panthers were the same in their 14-2 third period. Their goalie was the difference in the final stanza, for sure.
- The winning goal in tonight's game was the only one on special teams tonight. It is not one you can really hang on the goalie either. He made the first save. The players all collapsed to the net correctly. After that, they just forgot that the Panther guys were there too. It was not sharp, and Marcel Goc was the only player who seemed to remember that the guy that found the puck first was going to have an advantage there. Lui just had to try and cover as much of the net as he could, and the puck found a hole. I am sure some wag on TEAM ( probably Sekeres ) will say he was "swimming", but thats a little unfair. You make the save, and then you try and find the puck. There were plenty of guys to help him out and they did not. Sorry if that sounds like excusing the #1 goalie to you. It is not. He did not have the first one. That is on him. But lets not get too heavy into the "Blame Luongo" camp for this one. The entire team had plays they would want back. The team usually bounces back after a stinker. They get to try and do that against the Bolts tomorrow.
- Cody Hodgson had maybe the best game of the night for the losing team. He was hunting the puck very well. He was making passes that other guys were flubbing more than he was on the pass. He was a beast along the boards, an aspect of his game that seems to improve every game. He got a -1 for being out on that first goal, but that belies the game he had. 3 shots on goal, and 5 of 7 faceoff wins, in a game where the coach saw him ( rightly ) as one of his best players and put him out with Raymond and Kesler as his second line. 14:35 TOI, including 1:50 on the PP. He was the trigger on the first PP of the third ( the only one ), and they looked effective.
- The flip side. The Sedins sucked tonight. I almost want to give them a break after the intensity drop off from the previous game, but that is too kind. They had 2 shots on net, both by Daniel ( the best chance for Daniel may have been a rebound one where he shot wide of an open net. ), but he also missed the net 4 times ( Hank 1 ) Hank was 5 for 15 on draws. The little plays they make were failing all over the ice. Give the Panthers defensemen credit, but that was not the best out of our quiet superstars. You know they will come on back a lot harder, and I am not really that upset, knowing that. It has to be said though. It was not their best game by a very long shot.
- Ryan Kesler was going, relatively speaking. He still needs to find his shot a bit more, but he was skating hard, had 4 shots ( but missed 3 ), won 11 of 18 draws, and led his team with 21:32 TOI. If the visitors were goiung to come back in this game, you got the feeling it was going to be on his line or the third, or even the fourth, before the "first" line. I don't blame AV for sending them back out, they are your best players, and we have seen games before where the Sedins have a bad game and end up with multi point games anyhow. It did seem that Kesler's line was out almost as much, especially in the third.
- The defense. You cannot say that they had a great game, but I grow more and more confident with Andrew Alberts pinching. And really, did you honestly think you could ever say that? He did not fill up the stat sheet ( 1 block, 3 hits ) as much as Bieksa, for instance ( 4 shots, 3 missed, 3 blocks, 2 hits ) in far less ice time, but I liked Big Al's game more than I liked Dan Hamhuis's game, for instance. He seemed to be fighting the puck all night.
- With that said, Hamhuis should have drawn another power play in the third. Bradley hit him with the puck not even a thought. ( and not all that close either ) I guess the fact it got the loudest cheer of the night form a rink that sounded like a chapel at times convinced the refs it was a good hit. They were not horrible, but that was more the typical "Meh" reffing we are used to. Maybe the Canucks do not even put on pressure in the last 30 seconds, but that penalty that sealed the deal on Burrows was just wrong. He did not even look at the guy. It was obviously just two guys skates clicking, and totally accidental. To give the Panthers that call then seemed more than a little "Meh".
- That is it. I could find more, but honestly, like the players themselves possibly..."Meh"
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Nice recap Dan
You know my feelings on AV but you can’t really blame him here. Especially since he did exactly what I’ve been bitching about him not doing which is going with the hot hand regardless of past performance. These guys needed to come out harder but as long as they are angry enough at themselves that they come out gangbusters tomorrow I would find it in me to forgive them ;).
the thing is
one of the things I like the most about our team is that they usually come back hard after an embarrassing game or down game.
Is the bounce back game.
The post game on TEAM is all a certain player from a certain East Coast city that hates tea…. BTW
;-/
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I bet
Its funny how a fan bases mindset can seemingly be in synch with the mindset of the team it follows. Personally if I never hear about the team from that tea hating city or their little rodent player again I’d be fine. The whole thing is played out. How odd to have a playoff game in the middle of the season.
to be fair
just for shits and giggles, I went to read the story on it at their home paper ( sorry, just can’t write the name.com )…and there is 134 comments.
A good many are what you would expect, but there are a fair amount that actually give Shanny credit for the right call.
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The ship has just about sailed on this story
but I thought Marchand should get his say before we return to regular, run of the mill January games. He wrote a long blog entry for ESPN.
Some choice bits:
Clipping is when you hit someone at the knees and I did not hit him at the knees. Anyone that has seen the video will see that I hit him in the upper thigh under the buttocks. They can call it a clipping, but they obviously don’t know the rules of hockey.
They were pretty tough when it was six-on-one, but once they were all pulled off only one guy answered the bell. Just shows what kind of guys they are.
An, uh, interesting read.
I will agree with him on one thing though.
Can we talk about some other things now?
: )
The continents don't drift. They back away slowly from Ryan Kesler.
Funny
Anyone that has seen the video will see that I hit him in the upper thigh under the buttocks.
That’s what I said
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by Sean Zandberg on Jan 9, 2012 9:21 PM PST up reply actions
You are clearly looking
at the video showing from the wrong angle.
At 00:36 on the Shanahan video it shows Marchand’s hip clearly at the level of Salo’s knee. Remember that the body is shaped like a cylinder, so the level of contact is considered the most protruding part of Marchand’s hip, and not the upper part of the hip.
Also, if you look at the very first of part of the clip, that is shown from an angle where you can’t see the point of contact. But then they show a different angle, which clearly shows how low Marchand’s hip was.
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I saw a photo last night...
let me see about uploading it, here we go:

I don’t personally think you need a Warren Commission to interpret that, but I’ve often wrong so make of it what you will.
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by Pseuccubus on Jan 10, 2012 10:00 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
in contrast
here’s a pic of the Raymond check from last year

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Haha, exactly. Where is Oliver Stone when we really need someone to hamfistedly point out the obvious in films?!?!
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/sigh
there’s a serious, near pathological disconnect between the Bruins organization, their followers and the rest of the hockey world. Sorry Sean, I will never ever figure out how you see that hit as anything more than what Shanahan did. The fact that the Bruins continue to not just protest and claim innocence but insult the league and it’s decision show they have no intention of playing by the rules. They’re gonna do what ever they want, and obviously they don’t think the league has the balls to call them on it. I won’t read the blog post, to me it’s no different than the rioter who wrote out a giant diatribe admitting guilt yet lashing out at others for punishing her.
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Holy crap. Look at Rome!!- Sean Zandberg
I totally agree
with what you are laying down, but read the blog, it is freaking hilarious. To me, he was sent from the #PuckGods to make sure we are serious about #EmbraceTheHate . The Bruins have been shown for what they are, and the douche mantle has so obviously been passed from one fanbase to the other.
That is more fun than the big win and the two points. The level of whine, when it is baseless, and the facts show otherwise ( the faking of the puck was the thing that clinched it for me Sean, Salo was faked into thinking he was going to check a guy with the puck instead of getting submarined, regardless of the level of contact )…it is something that has shown any team in the NHL how to beat this team.
Look them in the eye, make the most of the penalties they give you, and finish every check.
The Canucks outhit the Bruins 24-17, in their own building, with all the possible bias that stat gets in home rinks.
;-) The rest of this circus is just making me smile and laugh more lately. Its great!
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That diary is worth a read
It’s actually the purest comedy I’ve seen for awhile “bru tang clan”? Hilarious.
by Canuckelhead on Jan 9, 2012 10:27 PM PST up reply actions
I didn’t say that to defend Marchand. I just said that was where the point of contact was made. I still didn’t like the hit
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by Sean Zandberg on Jan 9, 2012 11:08 PM PST up reply actions
oh I know
just saying that was the clincher for me, regardless of where the Zapruder film breakdown puts the “contact”, you know?
He faked him into thinking he was going for the puck, and then cries self defense? Fuck that.
;-/
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yeah I hear ya
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by Sean Zandberg on Jan 9, 2012 11:31 PM PST up reply actions
no
regardless of what you think of us, the Canuck fanbase knows the rep that others have tried to lay on us. I feel that some of that is even slightly warranted.
In 40 years of being around the game, following the game, etc, I have never seen the level of invective here ( well, once, the Todd Bertuzzi thing was pretty close…and most of this city, apart from the mouth breathers, were rightly horrified )…and the continual whining for days afterwards.
So yeah, wear that mantle with pride my man!
;-)
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My favorite part was...
They can call it a clipping, but they obviously don’t know the rules of hockey.
And that he is basically saying that Brendan Shanahan and the two refs don’t know the rules of hockey, but he does.
And the
Canucks get called arrogant?
Warm winds blowing, heating blue sky, and a road that goes forever...
well just look at the smug bastards
LOOK AT THEM

SO ARROGANT AND BAD
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Predictable outcome
After beating the Bruins and arriving in Miami Saturday night you have to believe these guys enjoyed the town. Can’t blame them. Word in Chicago is they did the same thing after game 3 after beating the Hawks and going up 3-0 and we saw what happened in game 4. They’re human but I expect a solid outing tomorrow.
by ORD Nucklehead on Jan 9, 2012 9:38 PM PST via mobile reply actions
my issue
Is that I hate these predictable outcomes. When you think they’re going to take a night off, they do. Personally, I hate how often they take nights off. I think it leads directly to the kind of thing we saw in the playoffs: total collapses every once in a while. If they did indeed “enjoy the town” in Chicago after going up 3-0 it almost cost them the fucking series.
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
by Semi_Colon on Jan 10, 2012 5:25 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
i threw him in on the 4th
he was good. maybe should have singled him out more
oh, and our guy is Weise…unless you are talking of the Florida player!
;-)
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