Canuck Brunch- No-Win Situations
One of the phrases you've no doubt heard countless times this week is how fans and players of both of last year's Stanley Cup Finalists have 'had this date circled on their calendar'. Of course they have. Obviously the next time two finalists meet is a big game. It's baffling to me that both major networks passed on the opportunity to broadcast this game, not to mention the ridiculous start time. I am sure it has something to do with not going head to head against football, so apparently hatred of the Canucks to draw in viewers is outweighed by the Houston Texans playing in the NFL playoffs. Whatever. Today you're going to hear a lot of people who spend very little time focusing on the Canucks (unless they do something wrong, that is) try to remind you why the Bruins won the Stanley Cup. They're going to tell you the Bruins are better. They're going to tell you why they're better. It's time for you, Canuck Nation, to understand that tomorrow's game, win or lose will not give you that answer.
One of the things that last year's opponents wanted to remind the Canucks and their fans at every possible opportunity was that the regular season means nothing. And to a certain extent it's true. The regular season helps determine the seeding, but as we saw last spring, hockey in the playoffs is indeed a different animal. They tried to say that the Canucks's regular season success wouldn't translate in the playoffs, but indeed it did. The problem wasn't the Bruins toughness, the problem was Boston, a very solid team from top to bottom, took on a Canucks team that was a shadow of the team that dominated the league in the regular season. They tell you that injuries happen to all teams, and you can't use that as an excuse. It's absolutely misleading to try and say that the biggest factor in the Canucks performance was anything but the outright loss of players through injury (Dan Hamhuis and Mikael Samuelsson, Mason Raymond), suspension (Aaron Rome) and the number of Canucks hurt badly enough that it severely hampered their play (Ryan Kesler, Henrik Sedin). The losses by the Bruins? Virtually non-existent. They lost Nathan Horton. There were no other serious injuries.
That doesn't explain why the Canucks were able to play so well at home against the Bruins and so poorly against them in Boston. But by the time another Canuck was removed from the Canucks lineup after Aaron Rome's game misconduct and subsequent suspension, what the Canucks had left was simply not able to compete with the depth of the Bruins (Daniel Wagner has a great post that explores this further over at PITB this morning). The toughness was more salt in the wounds than anything else. Look at the path the Bruins took to the finals. Sure they went 7 against Montreal, but there isn't a soul alive who would think that was as physically challenging as going 7 games with Chicago. They swept Philadelphia, who looked embarrassingly tame compared to the Broad Street Bullies of old. And they went 7 games against another team that doesn't exactly terrify teams physically in the Tampa Bay Lightning. Compare that to the path of the Canucks. It starts to make a lot more sense. Depth.
Let's say the Canucks win tomorrow. Will you hear national journalists shout praises from the rooftops about the Canucks skill and depth? No. You will not. You will hear that this game means nothing. That it's just a regular season game, and what really matters is the playoffs. If the Bruins win, well it's merely reinforcing the fact that they are better. The shadow of doubt on the abilities of this team will be cackled by 'experts' like so many witches, stirring a pot of misinformation. Win or lose, this game is not going to tell you who is the better team. A good majority of the hockey world wrote this team off, saying the psychological damage of losing the Cup would be too much to overcome, that their window to win was now closed. Yet, here they are once again sitting atop the Western Conference.
Please don't misunderstand me. I am not trying to downplay this game too much. Yes, it's a big game, just like any other game against one of the NHL's elites. Yes there's an emotional aspect to it that could only come from having faced this team in the finals. You cannot convince me however that this solves anything. So many things can happen between now and the possibility of a rematch in June. Injuries, trades and yes, even slumps. The Bruins look invincible. A win over the Canucks tomorrow has ZERO impact on these teams meeting in June.
I'm also not trying to downplay the accomplishment of the Bruins. The Stanley Cup Championship is the hardest to win in sports. The Bruins did all the things they needed to do to win it. They got a once in a lifetime performance from their goalie. They did however get a lot of help, luck and otherwise. You can't be a 'Champian' without it. If anything, tomorrow's game lets us have a far more representative look at both teams. The accuracy will be off owing to the small sample size, but don't make the mistake of reading too much into a win by either team. The proof of the pudding is in the eating, and like it or not, dessert (if it's deserved) will not be served until June.
The teams involved are doing their best to try and downplay the hype, understandably. They get it. The media trying to stroke the fires over this one seems even stranger when you consider CBC and NBCSN passed on carrying this game. And one of the focal points for tomorrow's matchup might miss the dance. Brad Marchand missed last night's 9-0 stomping of the hapless Calgary Flames, and is a no go at practice today with the team saying he has the flu. It must be pretty severe for him to not be preparing for the game, and even with missing yesterday and today one has to think unless he's doing a Linda Blair impression, he will be in the lineup tomorrow.
If Marchand is out, it's the only injury the Bruins are suffering. The Canucks had David Booth skating with them again today as they practiced at Harvard University, but it's unlikely we will see either of them tomorrow. Other than that, it appears the Canucks are healthy, far more so than their last visits to the TD Garden. The Canucks have announced that Cory Schneider will get the start tomorrow. That's a reward to the kid, who's sat for a number of games, getting just one on the California road trip after playing 7 in a row himself. The talking heads will tell you that the Canucks are afraid to play Luongo tomorrow. Unless Luongo is injured, if the Canucks should be lucky enough to roll back into Boston in June, he will be the starter. Once again, don't read too much into this. Not to mention the last time the Canucks played a 10am PST start, Luongo went down with an injury. Already twitter is exploding, with people saying the Canucks are sheltering Luongo and showcasing Schneider for a trade. Or, and stay with me on this one, that this game is about 2 points for the Canucks, they have two completely capable goalies and they are giving Schneider a chance to play at home. That's all this is. Nothing more, nothing less.
Tomorrow's game is certainly bringing back some incredible memories for me, being fortunate enough to be there and witness the Finals first hand. A roller coaster of emotions is a bit of a cliche, yet such an appropriate one. I will say though that seeing images of the Bruins raising the Cup doesn't bother me. It fuels me. This team was so close. And like the post on PITB pointed out, the Canucks went out and made changes to the make up of this team that make them a deeper threat across the board. If they stay healthy, they can beat any team in the league. That includes the Boston Bruins.
So, especially now that the Canucks have announced the starter, the onslaught of opinions from people who know this team inside and out all the way down to those who barely know the game are being unfurled. There's not going to be anything close to a consensus. People I admire and respect are going to disagree with what I have written here, and you know what? I am okay with that. This is a no-win situation for the Canucks. Unlike the rest of the hockey world, the Canucks, to me at least are focued on treating this game like any other against a top quality opponent. They are treating their goaltenders as they said they would, as 1 and 1a, and rewarding the hometown kid with the start. The optics of this are going to be what you want them to be. Much like the Canucks loss in the Finals, things aren't always what people tell you they are.
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good god
Bruins fans are embarrassing themselves yapping about Luongo being ‘afraid’ and ‘asking not to play’. What happened to all these B’s fans that know so much about hockey? No evidence of them so far…
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@KentBaskyNM
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see your first mistake
was to say “Bruins fans” and “Know About Hockey” in the same sentence..
"Kevin, You can't play Doom Metal while wearing a scarf"
and your second mistake was giving a flying fuck
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by Sean Zandberg on Jan 6, 2012 5:16 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
not a fuck is given
rather, it’s been a non-stop source of entertainment today. @artemchubarov’s twitter feed has some of the best…
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oh that’s good. As long as you’re happy :)
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by Sean Zandberg on Jan 6, 2012 8:26 PM PST up reply actions
ESPN twitter dude misquotes their own article
WayneTwittaker Wayne Whittaker
That’s funny. I don’t recall them ever having it. RT: @ESPNJoeyMac Vigneault:“If we win tomorrow they’re not going to give us the Cup back.”
the quote comes from Pierre LeBrun’s piece this morning containing this quote:
"Unless they’ve changed the rules, even if we go in there Saturday and we win, they’re not going to hand us the Cup,’
A little stunned that ESPN would get something wrong when it comes to hockey /notreally
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response
ESPNJoeyMac Joe McDonald
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@KentBaskyNM @WayneTwittaker this is exactly what AV said: "I don’t think if we win tomorrow they’re going to give us the Cup back."
KentBaskyNM Kent Basky
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@ESPNJoeyMac I got the quote from @Real_ESPNLeBrun’s article, I guess he just forgot to put that in there, eh?
No offense, ESPN Boston guy, but I think I will take Pierre LeBrun’s word. Every. Single. Time.
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Good read on 'sheltering'
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love this one
RandyScottNESN Randy Scott
Per @JCoyleNESN, who was at Harvard for Canucks practice today, Luongo was HEATED about not starting tomorrow. #Bruins
Not a peep from any Vancouver journalists on this. Just someone from the host network for the Bruins. Do not kid yourself. If Lu blew a gasket, we would know about this.
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Excellent preview
At the very least, both teams will be motivated to play hard. That gives me a chance to see just how good Boston is this year – I find it easier to get a feel for another team when they are playing the guys we know so well.
I watched some of the Philly / Chicago game and I was really impressed with Philly’s forecheck. Is it just me, or is the East getting faster?
you're not wrong.. the East looks good.. but
we’ve now played Bruins, Pens and Flyers.. just the Rags to go.. and the top teams of the East are a “handful” to put it mildly.. somehow last night Philly managed to stay out of the Box (!) but that said, , we’ve gone toe-to-toe with the Bruins and the Pens and lost narrowly .. and I’m not scared of any of them in a SCF series.. I think whoever wins the West wins the Big Shiny Thing…
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Totally agree
With the Schneider move. My number one reason is the game’s start time. Luongo has a history of injuring himself in afternoon games.
by Hogibogi on Jan 6, 2012 1:53 PM PST via mobile reply actions
and if Schneids plays well, then we have a solid back up plan in the finals for when luongo starts to crumble. I mean if. If.
by Hogibogi on Jan 6, 2012 1:57 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Ding ding ding
And that’s the crux of the problem with not starting Lou. It doesn’t exude confidence in your starting goalie or his mental state. Not that I disagree with the decision but it’s sometimes when you try and dip your toe in the pool you get pushed. If you just dive in yourself you don’t run the risk of going in awkwardly.
by Canuckelhead on Jan 6, 2012 2:27 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
"If you just dive in yourself you don’t run the risk of going in awkwardly"
Martin Havlat would like a word with you :P
by Exand on Jan 6, 2012 3:29 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Plus there's the "impress the home town" factor
If Schneids plays as well in his home town of Boston as Kes has in Detroit, it could be quite the goalie dual.
Correct me if im wrong
but wasn’t it just that one time against the Pens?
That was in response to Hogibogi
and Luongo getting injured in the afternoon. Not sure why it showed up down here. Sorry, new.
I love this post
It perfectly sums up my feelings and I’m sure the feelings of a lot of people. Angsty, but if we keep telling ourselves it’s just two points maybe it will make me care less.
by Canuckelhead on Jan 6, 2012 2:32 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Canucks Fan living in Boston area
the local media here in Boston is eating up Luongo not starting and it is driving me NUTS!!!
There is absolute no respect for the Canucks and especially Luongo (nicknamed Bobby Lou around here)
then again I’m preaching to the choir in Vancouver aren’t I?…and another thing…I want the rat bastard Marchand to play tomorrow so someone can kick his a$$
the rat face better play…
by LuongoinBoston on Jan 6, 2012 3:06 PM PST up reply actions
my sympathies to you
must be tough to be a Canuck fan there. Just think of the fun if they win though!
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he's called bobby lou
everywhere. You going to the game tomorrow? And if so, u got body armor?
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Injuries
Krejci get’s his wrist broken by a hit by Richards against the Flyers a year before and the Flyers come back and win the series. That injury along with others affected the Bruins in that series. Injuries are part of the playoffs – 3 out 4 series for the B’s went 7 games and the chance for injuries increase. I don’t want hear about the Canuck’s injuries from last year.
why is that?
Krejci injury “affected” your team, but if the Canucks had injuries it is just an “excuse”?
Ok then.
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Your argument is really strange
you say krejci’s injury led to the B’s loss against the Flyers, but regarding the Canucks, injuries don’t matter. Very confusing.
NM types..
just got this off the Twittarghs..
adamjahns Adam Jahns
So the NHLPA has denied the NHL’s realignment plan. NHL announces it will maintain current alignment for next season. #Blackhawks
does this mean we have another year of Rivalry! Oh Noes!
"Kevin, You can't play Doom Metal while wearing a scarf"
it could also mean
the owners are another step closer to locking out the players at the end of the year.
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I don’t really understand why. Would be interesting to see how big a majority of the players were against and what the issues are.
Hopefully just a negotiation strategy
I doubt the players are against realignment but they have a few other things they want, so maybe they try and use this as a bargaining chip?
yeah, it's the Union flexing..
but that can get out of hand real quick.. ask the B-ballers..
"Kevin, You can't play Doom Metal while wearing a scarf"
Especially since
the NHL hasn’t exactly kept it a secret that they really really want realignment. A bargaining chip gift.
and god knows Fehr..
has a really delicate touch when it comes to this sort of thing…
"Kevin, You can't play Doom Metal while wearing a scarf"
he is a lawyer
everything is you give me something, i give you something.
it would be almost a dereliction of his lawyerly duties to just give away a huge chip like that.
I see it delayed 1 year, and no lockout. Just negotiating hockey fans. try not to get too crazy while we do…
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wow
words fail me… this reeks of Fehr looking to take a stand. this does not bode well, friends.
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@KentBaskyNM
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in fact, to get Literary about this..
when I think of Fehr I think of a line out of John Steinbeck’s ‘Sweet Thursday’:
“Kid, you’ve got your Dukes up and then you realise ain’t no one laid a glove on you”
"Kevin, You can't play Doom Metal while wearing a scarf"
AndrewBucholtz Andrew Bucholtz
The NHL has nothing to Fehr but Fehr himself
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Fehr is a legendary labor negotiator.
The people who run the NHL have buried their idiotic heads in the sand on many an issue, including the necessity for player safety and the proper training of referees. If Fehr focusses on player safety as much as he would on economics I’d be thrilled.
Your words, Kent, resonated with me. Since the last game last June, I’ve been focusing on the injuries during SC discussions, even though injuries are “not to be used as excuses.”
" It’s absolutely misleading to try and say that the biggest factor in the Canucks performance was anything but the outright loss of players through injury…" Thanks for those words of truth.
Hodgson on Hansen--
"I've never played with a guy who creates so many offensive turnovers.
I really enjoy playing with him."
as we get closer to contract time
I want to talk a little bit about it, I was involved in contract negotiations back in the early 90’s, so I can offer a little insight into it all..
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and thank you
for the kind words…
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W T F
I don’t get it. Ya lockout is starting to seem more inevitable all the time. Especially now with Fehr at the wheel.
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oops
that was meant as a reply to mightymike D. i keep effing that up lol.
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well
to respond to your “Waylon” (it’s an SCH thing)
everyone over there is thinking the same thing…
"Kevin, You can't play Doom Metal while wearing a scarf"
it does kinda make sense
Don’t implement a new system until a now (long term?) CBA is in place. It seems astonishing that we’re here already when 05 was so recent. I want a 15 year term,
by mechanixfetch on Jan 6, 2012 4:46 PM PST up reply actions
I miss you bitches
(I mean NM not Boston or anything)
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by Yankee Canuck on Jan 6, 2012 5:16 PM PST via iPhone app reply actions
you don't call
or write or even send fucking flowers
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You didn't get them?
Fucking 1800 flowers…
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by Yankee Canuck on Jan 7, 2012 6:18 AM PST up reply actions
I'm sorry
Yankee… Canuck, is it? Heh. You’re missed. Stop working so damn hard.
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right back atcha
almost forgot what ya looked like
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is it bad
that i didn’t even notice you were gone?
Just kidding…
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PAW SEAN
I WANNA PREDIC!
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hold on to your teets
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by Sean Zandberg on Jan 6, 2012 8:28 PM PST up reply actions
OHKAY ATEYSEVUN THA GAIM PREEVEW IS UP YO
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by Sean Zandberg on Jan 6, 2012 10:01 PM PST up reply actions
RESPOND PROPERWEE PLIZE.
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BAK TWO SKEWL FO ME HAY
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by Sean Zandberg on Jan 6, 2012 10:45 PM PST up reply actions
Baumer_5 Nolan Baumgartner
Nice to see Byron Bitz back in game action. Been a long road back for him. Big goal for the #wolves tonight in his first game back
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It’s just a matter of time before he replaces Weise, IMO
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by Sean Zandberg on Jan 6, 2012 10:02 PM PST up reply actions
NFL Wild Card
One small correction, and a reason NBC/NBCSN not picking up the game is even stranger. They’re NOT competing against the NFL playoffs. NFL the last few years have the early Saturday game at 4:30pm EST and the late one in primetime. Both NBC games too. Even if it went to Overtime it would’ve ended well before Texans/Bengals.
Instead at 1pm the network has the All American Bowl, which is not even college. It’s a game between high school football players. I checked NBCSN and nothing but reruns in the timeslot. Brilliant as usual. LOL.

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