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Wild At Canucks Recap ; Stars Shine Bright (3-0W)

The Canucks came into tonight's game with a three point lead over the Wild. It is the kind of team that no one should take lightly. They play hard, and no one can question the work ethic.

What must be frustrating for their fans is that they pay some big dollars for Heatley and Setoguchi, amongst others, and they just cannot score. They certainly have problems scoring at Rogers Arena. And, lately, on Roberto Luongo. He shut them out the last time they met, and he did it again tonight.

This was a game in which the home team and it's stars were the difference. Luongo was dialed in from puck drop, the Sedins and Alex Burrows, especially in the first period, were the difference offensively, and Ryan Kesler lived up to his nickname of "Bull". His line saw a lot of the Mikko Koivu line and did a fine job on them, in addition to being a threat in the offensive end.

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- For all the good things the team did tonight, about the only aspect of the game that was not humming along was the power play. It went 0 for 2, and though there were a few times where it was dangerous looking, the level that we are perhaps spoiled by was not reached tonight. Credit the Wild and it's penalty killers. More than one of their 19 shot blocks ( Prosser had 6 ) was a big help to the penalty kill, which at least kept the team from Minnesota in the game to the end.

- This game was a great example of how this team has a different attitude and focus. With the media clamouring to ask the players, coaches, and each other about "the Boston game", to a man, they were all about the two points available in this one. Even with the Wild and it's difficulty scoring, that team was only 3 points behind the Northwest division leaders coming into this one. There was no talk of anything other than this game. ( AV played with the media in his presser tonight...telling them he will announce his starter on Friday, because "we are flying to Boston tomorrow". As if he and the guys would not share at least a word or two about that on a six hour plane ride )

- The first goal tonight was a more subtle example of Sedinery. We get so spoiled by the fact that these two identical superstars can do things with the puck that few others can. From the delay by Henrik to let the play develop, to the shot that Daniel Sedin also delayed just enough for Burrows to get in front for the screen, it was another example of how well those three guys play off of each other, and an important goal. The Wild like to play a grind it out defensive game, and that is just easier to do when they are either at 0-0 or ahead.

- The second goal tonight, well, that was a more obvious example of what we like to call Sedinery. Just another "wow" play. Again, Henrik Sedin went right to the right place to give him the time to get the guys in their places, and then, with pressure on him, made a slick pass to Daniel Sedin. Meanwhile, Alexandre Burrows was busting to the net, and had Justin Falk on the wrong side of him from the start. The pass from Daniel was perfect. Just out of the reach of Harding, right to the stick of Burrows, who just had to slam it into the empty net before Falk put him into the net with the puck. Beautiful. Henrik Sedin now leads the NHL with 48 points, and Daniel is tied with Giroux for second. I know august media personage Steve Simmons called them boring recently, but I think I speak for all of Vancouver's hockey fans when I say that they can bore me like that anytime. All the way to another Art Ross, and perhaps a Hart or Pearson to boot.

- Ryan Kesler had an assist on Manny Malhotra's empty netter that sealed the game ( and got me two points in the SPW standings!) that was a perfect example of the "secret animal nickname" he has. "Bull" aptly described that play, as he engaged the defender well inside his own blue line and basically overpowered him to get the puck out. It was how he was playing along the boards as well. He had 5 shots on net himself, a hit, a +1, an assist, and while he was only 5/14 on faceoffs, he was also just giving those away ( I loved the set play they tried in the second where he ignored the draw and went to the front. It did not quite work, but it showed some panache and originality from a non Sedin player ). His line did their job, and it was no accident he led the forwards in ice time (20:22, with 2:37 on the PP, and 2:38 on the PK ).

- That being said, this was a total team effort. The third and fourth lines both had strong games ( Maxim Lapierre had a team high 6 shots on net!) While Cody Hodgson's ice time of only 10:42 will get Tony Gallagher percolating again, he was effective ( even with his first penalty in a long time tonight...a slightly weak one ). AV knows his team, and Cody Hodgson only won 1/7 draws. In a game where situational zone starts were all given to the fourth line ( mainly Lappy and Weise, though Hansen was out with them late ), they came through very well. Manny was Money with 12 of 19 draws won, Dale Weise was effective in his 10 minutes, especially in the offensive zone, and every line was solid at both ends of the ice.

- All the defensemen had a solid game tonight, and while it would be easy ( and apt ) to laud Hamhuis and Bieksa, Salo and Edler, I really liked the third pairing tonight. Both Andrew Alberts and Keith Ballard performed well under pressure, got pucks out and up the ice effectively, and cleared out the front of the net as well as clearing out rebounds. Big Alberts was a beast in his 1:50 of PK time, he led the team with three hits, and blocked a shot, in addition to getting better at pinching every game. Ballard blocked 2 shots and had 2 hits, and complimented his partner very well all night. That is not to take away from Sami Salo and his usual effective, understated game. It was solid. Dan Hamhuis had a team leading 3 blocks, and he was his usual defensive stalwart self. Like I said, they were all good. The Wild were trailing and supposedly trying to push, and had only 7 shots ( after an 11 shot first, and a 10 shot second ) in the final period. That is the whole team, but you have to think that the blueliners had a fair amount to do with that as well.

- For all of that, the MAN tonight was Roberto Luongo. He was so good tonight. A couple of two on ones ( played well by Bieksa and Salo, giving the goalie the shooter each time ) were played so well by the goaltender that on one ( I want to say PM Bouchard ) the guy gave up and just hauled off and tried the slapshot. All 28 shots were handled very well. You know he is on when he makes it look easy. Not to say that it was. But he certainly was in the Wild team's head tonight. Devin Setoguchi was probably the best and most dangerous of the Wild team tonight, and while he had 5 shots and 4 good chances from them, the Wild had very little sustained pressure. They had 4 power plays and looked anemic on it. Part of that was the guys in front of him, who were fantastic on the kill. As they say though, the best penalty killer is the goaltender. A well deserved first star, and a nice touch to give the stick to Rick Hansen. The man went a hell of a distance in a wheelchair, and was honoured tonight for his efforts to show that a handicap is not a "handicap". Well done Rick. And well done Roberto as well. His rebound control was awesome tonight, and when he was not freezing a puck, he was turning them over the ice or directing them to guys on the boards for the breakout.

OK. You can commence with the build up to the Boston game, and for shits and giggles, feel free to start your rosterbation fantasies ( Bob Murray said everyone but Selanne and Koivu are available ) for the Duck star players.

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fucking rights it does

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by Sean Zandberg on Jan 5, 2012 12:28 AM PST up reply actions  

Do you ever sleep?

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by jabraham on Jan 5, 2012 4:16 AM PST up reply actions  

Sweet action

And nice recap Dan.

by Canuckelhead on Jan 5, 2012 2:07 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Also,

the Bruins have FIVE games in hand on us? Good scheduling NHL.

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by jabraham on Jan 5, 2012 7:08 AM PST up reply actions  

This is so full of win

The continents don't drift. They back away slowly from Ryan Kesler.

by raincity on Jan 5, 2012 7:19 AM PST up reply actions  

This

made my day. Thanks dude.

Also, I really appreciate your recaps VCD, I’m not able to see many games so I’ve come to rely on them to stay in the loop. Sweet action.

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by nucklord on Jan 5, 2012 7:25 AM PST up reply actions  

That said, I think the Canucks should try a different strategy from last year’s ‘smug and preening’.

My suggestion: Keep thems yaps shut and destroy everyone. Especially Boston and Chicago. Bring it bitches!

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by nucklord on Jan 5, 2012 7:34 AM PST up reply actions  

silent and deadly

though that makes the kids giggle, thinking of a bodily function.

“Ninja Hockey”

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by vancitydan on Jan 5, 2012 9:01 AM PST up reply actions  

We have

gangstas in Canada?

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by Smoboy41 on Jan 5, 2012 10:52 AM PST up reply actions  

cool

btw, i am getting great mileage out of that quote of yours in my sig.
at BSH yesterday, people were commenting on it.

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by missy on Jan 5, 2012 12:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Aww

I’m honored. Makin’ people laugh is pretty important to me.

by Dan Coover on Jan 5, 2012 1:37 PM PST up reply actions  

IS THAT HIP-HOP HEAVYWEIGHT/ANAHEIM DUCKS FAN

SNOOP DOGG?

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by eightyseven on Jan 6, 2012 6:02 PM PST up reply actions  

BRING ON THE BRUINS

But DAMN YOU, NHL, for making me wake up before noon on Saturday to watch the game !

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by Shand on Jan 5, 2012 7:04 AM PST reply actions  

OMG

will TG ever give it a rest:

http://www.theprovince.com/sports/Vigneault+should+give+Hodgson+some+Kesler+time/5946857/story.html

i can’t stand that guy.

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by Lilly_L on Jan 5, 2012 7:40 AM PST reply actions  

I agree.

Hodgson is learning the face off game so he isn’t going to get Dzone starts.

Hodgson is not fleet of foot so is not getting PK time

Hodgson is not on the #1PP, so is not getting more time there

Hodgson is playing with Weise and Hansen, so shouldnt get more minutes there.

The Canucks are not getting as many PP’s so the time should go to Henrik’s unit.

Where oh where are Cody’s minutes going to be?

by ChuckinNux on Jan 5, 2012 8:10 AM PST up reply actions  

OMG

I was joking when I said TG would bitch about the ice time… He actually did it.

What a loon

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by vancitydan on Jan 5, 2012 9:02 AM PST up reply actions  

this whole story reeks

If the team had a 20 point lead on the division in February, then, maybe I would consider playing around with ice-time. But until that happens, I like things the way they are.

Let Cody be successful and grow into the role. Christ. In Seguin’s rookie season, I didn’t see him being treated any differently. He was a role player on a very good team. Last season he was groomed to play top minutes in the NHL, and this season he is showing benefits of that grooming.

Nugent-Hopkins. Hall. Tavares. Landeskog. Crosby. Malkin. Duschesne. Ovechkin. Look at those players. when they came into the league, what did/do their teams have in common?

1. they all sucked. sucked bad enough to get a blue-chip first round draft pick.
2. they all lacked depth. lacked enough depth that the teams had no choice but to throw them out for top-6 minutes.

Let the kid develop. He missed top-flight hockey for basically 18 months due to injury. He is showing a nice progression. Give this story a rest, TG.

#tinfoilhat

by ChuckinNux on Jan 5, 2012 9:22 AM PST up reply actions  

To be fair

TG pointed out both of Kes’ wonky hips as a reason to shorten his playing time so that he won’t be a less effective force during the Cup run, as he had been the past two or three post seasons.
As far as player rosterbation re the Ducks goes…..
Bobby Ryan,
Bobby Ryan,
Bobby Ryan.

Consider that, in a recent game, Henrik Sedin accidentally high-sticked an opponent, then drew attention to it by waving the linesman over so that the player could receive care.

by Bobby Canuck on Jan 5, 2012 9:53 AM PST up reply actions  

would love some bobby ryan

based on what Murray is asking for, though, he wants a one-for-one type swap. In this case, a first line fwd for a first line fwd. Yes, Anaheim has goalie and D issues but I don’t see Vancouver being able to offer Schneider and Ballard as enough of an enticement to get that deal to work.

by ChuckinNux on Jan 5, 2012 10:01 AM PST up reply actions  

Corey Perry please

or shift Getzlaf to the wing with Kes and Booth or Higgy. All your faceoffs are ours, and that would be one eff of a line!

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by vancitydan on Jan 5, 2012 10:09 AM PST up reply actions  

just imagine what the view of the team would be with Perry

opposing fans would demand a change of the Canucks tag-line from #embracethehate to #embracethedouchebaggery.

Perry is a strong player, just a bit of a douchenozzle to opposing players.

by ChuckinNux on Jan 5, 2012 10:12 AM PST up reply actions  

As long

as he’s our douchenozzle.

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by Smoboy41 on Jan 5, 2012 10:56 AM PST up reply actions  

Yep,

I wouldn’t be surprised if Corey Perry ends up in Canucks uniform. Wiese, Ballard, Schneider for Perry. It would be painful to see them go, but on the other hand…

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by AttilaS on Jan 5, 2012 11:16 AM PST up reply actions  

Sounds heartless,

but I’ve always said it’s the crest on the front, not the name on the back. Whatever it takes to make this team better.

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by Smoboy41 on Jan 5, 2012 11:23 AM PST up reply actions  

Can you imagine

we could have 3 first lines (=equally good). The Burdin line, the Amex line, and the Perry-Raymond-Hansen line. A deadly 1-2-3 punch.

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by AttilaS on Jan 5, 2012 11:31 AM PST up reply actions  

I almost

peed on myself, thinking about this.

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by AttilaS on Jan 5, 2012 11:33 AM PST up reply actions  

where is Hodgson?

make sure you include him, or Tony Gallagher will have a shitfit.

by ChuckinNux on Jan 5, 2012 11:34 AM PST up reply actions  

Wow,

how did I forget Hodgson? You can call me an idiot, I deserve it.
We are loaded…

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by AttilaS on Jan 5, 2012 11:45 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm laughing at the fact

that Perry’s in the third in this.

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by eightyseven on Jan 6, 2012 6:04 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

How can you not see his point?

Ive been saying the same thing. AV overplays his favorites and it cost us the Stanley cup last year. Think about his treatment of Ballard and how different the loss of Hamhuis would have been had we had a confident Ballard. What if Kesler and the Sedins hadn’t been rode into the ground. C’mon people, you complain about our team being more hurt than Boston during the final but then ignore the reson?

by Canuckelhead on Jan 5, 2012 11:35 AM PST up reply actions  

You may have a point there.

A confident Ballard could have been a huge difference.

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by AttilaS on Jan 5, 2012 11:47 AM PST up reply actions  

minute wise, this season, Kesler and the Sedin's are not being rode into the ground

The Canucks are sending the players over the boards who are deserving of the minutes they get in the role they are assigned.

Sedin: 19:06 TOI/G as 1st unit PP; majority of Ozone starts; 50% FO%
Kesler: 19:52 TOI/G as 1st unit PP; 1st unit PK; 54% FO%
Malhotra: 13:17 TOI/G as 2nd unit PK; majority of Dzone starts; 58% FO%
Hodgson: 12:24 TOI/G as 2nd unit PP; some Ozone and mostly neutral zone starts; 41% FO%
Lapierre: 9:15 TOI/G on 4th line with some movement to 3rd line based on injuries/in-game decisions; 52% FO%

The only positive ways I see that Hodgson is going to see more time on the ice (and would deserve to) is:

1.) if he starts winning faceoffs (currently at an abysmal 41.1%) at a significantly better rate
2.) if he starts killing penalties
3.) if the team stops taking penalties, allowing for 4 lines to roll

the first thing he can control; the second thing depends on his ability to read the play and improve his footspeed. he is still a rookie and sometimes gets lost in the transition game from O to D.

the last thing is more key; the #1 PP is going to get the majority of PP time. If Hodgson continues his decent 5 on 5 play, he should get more ice time, provided that the team is allowed to roll 4 lines.

by ChuckinNux on Jan 5, 2012 12:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Exactly

Thanks ChuckinNux I was basically going to post a similar response but a bit less detailed lol. ;)

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by Lilly_L on Jan 5, 2012 2:12 PM PST up reply actions  

So

You don’t see how historically AV has rode them into the ground? And you don’t see how historically AV has played favorites regardless of the teams needs. That also applies to the positive like giving burrows the opportunity to blossom the way he has. Not many coaches would have

by Canuckelhead on Jan 5, 2012 2:15 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Tony Gallagher is insane. Is he going to complain about this every game?

by Wisp on Jan 5, 2012 1:06 PM PST reply actions  

I am no even more convinced...

that all this CoHo ice time crap is being fuelled by none other than Rich Winter who has TG in his back pocket.

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by Lilly_L on Jan 5, 2012 2:10 PM PST reply actions  

Really?

Cause this article was more about the overuse of kesler than the lack of mins for coho

by Canuckelhead on Jan 5, 2012 2:16 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

uhmm

there is way more than one article. lol

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by Lilly_L on Jan 5, 2012 2:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Here

is the other one I’m talking about

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by Lilly_L on Jan 5, 2012 2:22 PM PST up reply actions  

SO

Your suggestion is that Rich Winter is paying TG?

by Canuckelhead on Jan 5, 2012 3:17 PM PST up reply actions  

NO

but did you read the article at all? no where does it say that. im implying that Rich Winter is influencing the media, namely TG.

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by Lilly_L on Jan 5, 2012 7:09 PM PST up reply actions  

I read it

And while it’s possible rich winter is “influencing” tg. I don’t think it’s anything nefarious. Just telling him the facts, it wouldn’t be the first time a coach held back a budding superstar and needed a change. I mean Cam Neely? In fact there’s quite a few comparisons between the two. Sound familiar:

Canucks head coach Tom Watt was not impressed with Neely’s defense (Neely was 20 at this time), and that was what made him tradeable. Neely said “I was playing behind Stan Smyl and Tony Tanti, so I didn’t see a lot of ice time, and, certainly not on the power plays.”1

by Canuckelhead on Jan 5, 2012 7:52 PM PST up reply actions  

come on dude

I have read this whole thing with a combination of interest and disbelief, but just my two cents…

Again, I get it. You don’t like AV, and will find fault with him. ( thats fine…it keeps us on our toes!) But now this is a little too far.

Tom Watt? He won no where near as many games, or developed as many guys that are now exceeding expectations as AV has. Kesler, Burrows are just two examples, but they make the point I am trying to make. Tom Watt just was no where near the coach we have now. It was not him that made that deal anyhow, but the GM….no matter what quote you want to take out of context.

No one thought Kesler would be as good as he is but AV and a few Vancouver management types. No one. AMFB was an ECHL reclamation project. Hell, Bieksa a later round. Edler, same thing. All of them were taught how to play the right way. All of them are now stars. Was that all just “in spite of him” as AV haters like to dismiss anything good he has done (well, of course he is the winningest coach, he has more talent…!)

Why is it so tough for you to admit the guy is good at his job? This whole “play Cody more” argument is just silly. This is not Smyl and Tanti ( and at the time, again, from someone that was a closely following fan when I was younger then…Smyl was a top line guy, and Tanti was a scoring star, and an All Star …of course Neely was a bad trade in retrospect, but that is a specious and misleading comparison ), this is guys that were at even higher levels than those two.

Cody Hodgson is doing just fine. Every damn time Tony goes off on one of his little rants, it brings this shit out. TG has been an armchair coach since the late 90s. He should have retired long ago.

The article is …“well, A is good, so if he gets more minutes, he’ll be better…while B is also good, but I wrote an argument that he should play less last week or so…”

Just because you bought in, does not mean that we all have to. Telling him the “facts”? Holy. The facts are that the kid is doing fine in the same system and minutes that every guy that went from star to superstar under this coach has done.

Finally, the argument from others that gets dismissed by AV haters is the closing one. Once he can win more than 40% of faceoffs, after he learns the other guys ( and having Kes and Money teaching along the way ) he is competing against, he can get more minutes in certain situations.

Money was 12/19 last night, and 10 of those wins were in the defensive zone versus Koivu, who was by far the best on the opposition. Cody was 1/7 against Koivu and others. in a close game, what coach in the NHL is goiung to go with the latter over the former?

The answer is none. Sorry if I went on. But I remember Tom Watts, and he could not hold a candle to the guy we have now. Both in style, and results….

The top scorer in the NHL. The trophy winner for best defensive forward. You want him to sit Kes because Tony says so? When Cody is going, he gets more minutes. You saw it yourself when he had a great game recently, he was getting second line spot minutes.

For all the rose coloured glasses on the kid, he is a talented rookie. he is being developed the right way.

When you reach into the depths of time and pull out Neely, thats stretching it.

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by vancitydan on Jan 5, 2012 9:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Haha

I hear you and believe me I’m not trying too hard to compare coho and Neely. I get that tanti and even smyl aren’t at the level of Hank and Kesler. I was just using the comparison to illustrate how sometimes coaches don’t see the potential right under their noses.
For the record people are making a lot of assumptions about what I’m trying to say and jumping to extremes. Of course nobody should bench Kesler or just “give” coho more minutes all I’m suggesting is he take the leash off and treat him like every other player. If he’s good enough to be on this team it’s the least he deserves. Second, it’s known that av burns out the players in his circle of trust and its been to the detriment of this team. He needs to find a way to keep everyone involved as long as possible so guys like Kesler don’t get burnt out like they have in the past.
As far as AV goes, I’ve said many times in the past that he’s a good coach and you’re bang on when you say he allowed burrows to develop into the star he’s become. Kesler too, although USA hockey had a large part in that one. Also, he’s led this team to fantastic regular seasons but he has his faults and this team reflects those faults and since they’ve been put under the microscope of the playoffs they’ve become too obvious to ignore. Obviously his job is safe but to me it’s a shame when you have the perfect replacement in randy Carlyle waiting on the side lines.
P.s. the facts thing was in response to someone suggesting that winter was doing something shady with TG.

by Canuckelhead on Jan 5, 2012 9:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Its known…to you maybe. I don’t believe that at all. Every coach in the NHL goes with the guys that give them a chance to win is all, right?

Every time a team loses, the fans want to find a reason. Its always the coach, and that is why they have not that much job security. I don’t see those things “that are obvious” at all. I see that the team, through whatever things, did not win. In the light of retrospect, and disseminating that, of course we can armchair coach.

But Chicago did not win against Van because he was “outcoached”. Same with Boston. The better team won each time, because they were deeper. Injuries happen, and that is a thing too. So, its more it is what it is.

Lastly, fuck no on Carlyle. His taciturn, negative style is not working in the NHL. Its not working with a new hardass in Duckland. It is working now with Hitch, but I want to see St Loo do that more before being convinced.

The most successful teams have given the “room” to the players and hold them accountable as such. All talk and reports from the Van room is …from what this fan has discerned from the tea leaves that you have to read…is that everyone loves playing for the guy.

Lastly, I have no doubt that Tony G has no problem in doing an agent “friend’s” dirty work. Not saying he did in this case, but the way he won’t let go of that bone sure poses the question. Gollum does not have much cred’ in real terms any more….

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by vancitydan on Jan 5, 2012 10:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Its all good too

my man. Like I said, I totally respect the opinion, its just that you make too many assumption on it for me, I think.

No offense at all. But then, I am an AV fan! lol

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by vancitydan on Jan 5, 2012 10:03 PM PST up reply actions  

All good from my end too

I can get caught up in my AV dislike sometimes more than I truly believe and this is a case where obviously I hope Im wrong and av coaches the team to a cup. With this talent nothing else is good enough. When you think of the depth these Canucks have its almost mind boggling. Two art Ross winners a selke winner a world class goalie etc. when you think in those terms this team should be talked about with the teams of greatest talent assembled. Not oilers great but just one teir down.

by Canuckelhead on Jan 5, 2012 11:35 PM PST up reply actions  

About Carlyle

You know it’s my contention that the playoff pattern of this team losing its cool and getting blown out can only be a reflection of the coach. Even if losses to the hawks and bruins were inevitable those blow outs are uniquely a Canuck thing. I also think the fact that this team can sometimes seem smug,arrogant and play like the universe owes them wins (or powerplays for that matter) is a reflection of the coach. Carlyle is a known winner who the players would respect. He knows how to deal with veterans and develop blue chip talent and most importantly he would bring a new voice and identity to a team on the cusp. Not better, just different and sometimes that’s needed. If this team follows the same pattern they have the last three playoffs and gets another year older in the process I might lose my noodle.

by Canuckelhead on Jan 5, 2012 11:55 PM PST up reply actions  

i get all that

i just think a guy that got them 15 playoff wins gets the chance to get the 16th. The room is not lost. The team is as dazzling as it was last year in the regular season.

So, its not like Carlyle, if he is all that and a bad a chips ( and there are probably a few teams that feel they are “on the cusp”, he’ll be snapped up.

Listen though, from a life long Canuck fan, I get all these narratives, I have heard these narratives with a good many coaches.

The last guy to get almost there though, he was a great coach too. He eventually lost his job because the management thought it time for a new room, or that not winning the Cup the next year…blah blah blah…

In all that time, the only coach I thought was as plugged into his team ( and the personality of the team is part him and part them, as it is with most successful teams ) here was Quinn. Maybe Crow when times were seemingly good.

This time the team has as much talent as ever. It has a desire to win, and are playing hard for their coach. A management team that wont rest until it happens. I feel good about all that, but I just have that same angst as all the other Canuck fans. That thought of WTF can go wrong now. Maybe it is the universe making us pay a little more for having the pleasure of living in the best place on earth like they say on the license plates…

But the last thing I think we need is Carlyle. I always feel it is more the team of guys when they win than it is the coaches, and that the coaches get all the blame when they lose.

Its just the way it is. Thats why they change teams more than players. I dont get why the players would respect Carlyle more than the guy they respect the hell out of right now. He has given them the room, but the flip side of that is they are accountable.

The one thing that he guides that with, in addition to the shit behind the curtain that we dont see, is ice time. That too is not all that original. Coaches have been doing that since the Patrick Brothers gave themselves all the PP time and I think owned the damn rink down on Denman in addition to playing!

I have always respected the way he does it. Its an open thing, and we all know it. So do they. On most nights I don’t think that effort is the problem ( discounting the tines when the pure physics of expecting one team rested playing another not after travel and blah blah blah…sometimes the other team just does not have it, and sometimes yours does not too ).

Its all the playoffs. If they crash out, AV is gone anyhow. If they get anything but the Final…and even then? I don’t know, this city is fickle and has an uneven history behind the bench.

I do think it would be the job to want for any guy looking for a spot on the carousel. But, like the players, I respect the hell out of this coach for his honesty with the team and us, and the way he divvies up the time. That is why I usually pooh pooh the CoHo ice time argument. It has worked for all the other guys before, its not personal, like everyone tries to assume it who has a divergent opinion on the #10 pick from 08.

I sort of see him getting better all damn year, a probable piece at the deadline if possible without breaking what they have in the room ( and I think they would actually say to the leaders, what do you think? quietly of course )…and getting that one more win.

Damn, look at that, now I am assuming!

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by vancitydan on Jan 6, 2012 1:15 AM PST up reply actions  

OMFG

sorry but if you’re serious about Carlyle over AV I have go laugh… no offense but i cannot see how his coaching style is congruent with our current team. I puzzled with your anti-AV sentiment – how can you not see that CoHo’s development is an organizational decision as much as a coaching one?

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by Lilly_L on Jan 5, 2012 10:39 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

You might laugh

At a coach who won a cup 5 seasons ago but that garners some respect from me. Also, a coach who’s been in the organization. Which coaching style are you referring to that would be incongruent with our team?
I don’t think the organization decides to sit him on his ass on multiplt occasions because he took the same penalty that everyone on the team has taken, no. That’s the kind of thing I’m talking about evenif you seem to be choosing not to hear it.

by Canuckelhead on Jan 5, 2012 11:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Sorry

I didn’t mean that in a bad way and I apologize for that cuz I respect your opinion and I do see your point about Kes. The thing is, I truly believe that Kesler thrives on that icetime and is a much more effective player when is playing more – some players are like that. I would like to see he and some other regulars get more rest as the season winds down towards the playoffs if the standing will permit. As for Carlyle, it was already pointed out why his style isn’t for the Canucks. But why the hate on for AV? He’s quite possibly the best coach we’ve ever had and without doubt one of the best in the league.

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by Lilly_L on Jan 6, 2012 3:27 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

No apologies needed

The hate on for AV stems mostly from the things I mentioned above in response to VCD. I see this teams personality as a reflection of his personality and it has led to numerous odd blowouts in the playoffs. It feels to me like sometimes this team thinks it deserves to win and when that doesn’t happen they get “pouty”. Leaving their goalie out to blow in the wind in the process. Admittedly, sometimes I go to far with my AV dislike and get a bit carried away but that core belief that he isn’t the leader we need to win it he cup remains even though I can acknowledge he’s a great coach.

by Canuckelhead on Jan 6, 2012 9:48 AM PST up reply actions  

Is Kesler being overused?

really? based on ice time, I would say not.

where would Hodgson play to get more minutes?

He and Henrik play the same spot on the 1st unit PP – on the half wall to down low. Would you play him on the point? That might work; he does have a hard slapshot. However, his aforementioned lack of footspeed could make him a liability if he cannot secure the puck at the blueline. Besides, don’t people like having Salo and Edler on the blueline for that reason alone? a lefty and and righty D that can hammer the puck and who (generally) know when to hang back or when to pinch. People complained enough about Samuelsson being there last couple seasons.

He is not currently trustworthy enough as a centre to play on the PK, from a coverage perspective and from a face off perspective.

Let Hodgson practice. Let Hodgson develop. The Sedins will eventually a.) retire or b.) take a secondary role as time passes. This will allow for a Kesler or a Hodgson to move up the depth chart. Until then, be happy that the team has centre depth (which never existed for years in Vancouver). Look at everyone’s poster child in Detroit. Zetterberg and Datsyuk had to come in behind Yzerman, Larionov & Fedorov. They weren’t rushed and turned out pretty darn OK.

If this article was really about lessening Kesler’s minutes, why not trumpet that Lapierre deserves more ice time, or Malhotra deserves more ice time? Seeing as those players already assume PK duties, it would make far more sense to me to roll out those guys more often on the PK and the defensive zone, thereby lessening the load on Kesler.

I think there is more to this series of articles; specifically for a player that will be coming up on RFA status soon and would want a more significant role (and more significant paycheque). Whether this is posturing from his agent, or otherwise, it still reeks and I wish it would stop.

by ChuckinNux on Jan 5, 2012 3:03 PM PST up reply actions  

You don't see how Kesler has been overused in the past?

You must remember last years playoffs. Not many guys can play on the pk1 pp1 and play big minutes at even strength. There were nights when Kesler was over 30 mins which is rare for a forward. Now (during the regular season) is the time to start getting CoHo ready to play more mins otherwise how will AV be able to use him in the playoffs? I’m not even suggesting that AV give him a ton more minutes, it’s subtler than that. He needs to start trusting him when the Canucks are trailing and he needs to stop punishing him for things everyone on the team does.

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