Tuesday's Numbers: What are 'Cody's Minutes'?
Cody's minutes are Cody's minutes. I have got the luxury of having a Hart (winner) on our team and a Selke winner. Those guys are going to get, on most nights, 19 to 20 minutes each. There's 20 minutes left to spread out for two centremen. So on our team he is getting anywhere from 10 to 12 minutes.
I am not going to drop Hank's minutes down. I hope I am not that dumb. And I am not going to drop Ryan's minutes down. That is the reality of our situation...but his minutes are important minutes. That line when they were on the ice tonight they had some solid offensive shifts.
This is from Brad Ziemer's gamer after the game against the Anaheim Ducks, another game where Cody Hodgson scored a goal and had fewer minutes than I think that the local media would have liked to see Cody Hodgson have.
I am entirely in agreement with Coach Alain Vigneault here. I've been meaning to write this post for a bit, since a lot of fans seem pent up on the fact that, if Cody Hodgson is playing so well in the limited time that he's playing, how come he isn't getting more playing time?
Hodgson has 9 goals in 40 games, well on his way to 20, but only plays on average 12:32 minutes a night. Compared to other big-name rookies, those are pretty modest minutes. But there's a reason for it. Daniel Wagner at Pass It To Bulis has covered this topic but I'd like to take it in a bit of a different direction.
Check out the names of the rookie forwards who have played more than Cody Hodgson: Gabriel Landeskog, Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, Colin Greening, Adam Henrique, Colin Smith and Matt Read. Think of the teams that those guys play for: Colorado, Edmonton, Ottawa, New Jersey, Nashville and Philadelphia, teams who are so thin at forward that Charlie Sheen thinks they're too skinny.
The reality is that a team like Colorado is forced to use a guy like Landeskog in many situations. Vigneault doesn't have to do that yet with Cody Hodgson. Check this out, how difficult each of these player's minutes are:
| Name | Corsi Rel | Corsi Rel QoC | Ozone% |
|---|---|---|---|
| Landeskog | 11.9 | 0.707 | 53.7% |
| Nugent-Hopkins | 4.5 | 0.113 | 66.8% |
| Smith | 3.7 | 0.984 | 49.6% |
| Greening | 3.6 | 0.375 | 60.4% |
| Henrique | 0.7 | 0.39 | 49.8% |
| Read | -1.5 | 0.399 | 50.5% |
| Hodgson | -3 | 0.292 | 40.6% |
(All data in this post comes from Gabriel Desjardins' awesome website BehindTheNet. It also is not updated for Monday's games)
So, there you have it. Hodgson actually has the lowest Corsi (possession) rate among all of his rookie peers who play more minutes than him. However, when you look at Corsi Rel QoC (quality of competition) you notice something strange: not a single one of these players gets to play easy minutes. Is this because the more minutes you play, the more likely that you're going to play minutes against opponent's top competition.
And this isn't really something that Hodgson can do quite yet. Pay little attention to his small offensive-zone start rate: Alain Vigneault has long since classified that any minute spent that starts with an offensive zone faceoff is a Henrikminute. A Codyminute typically starts against second-or-third-line competition in the neutral zone, and, admittedly, Hodgson has played them very effectively. But you never know when the damn may burst. His Corsi Rel is much lower than any other forward on this list: this isn't because Hodgson isn't good at controlling play, it's just that the forwards who play ahead of him in the lineup are better at it.
The Canucks don't play Hodgson in these situations because they don't need to. They can distribute his minutes to keep them as soft as possible (Hodgson has the lowest Corsi Rel QoC among Canuck centres not named Maxim Lapierre) which maximizes Hodgson's effectiveness in those minutes. To paint a picture, let's say that you have fourteen jellybeans. But four of those are black or green jellybeans. Those ones suck and are not delicious. Instead, you'd rather take the pile with only the brightly-coloured jellybeans, because they are so much tastier.
The difference between Hodgson and Landeskog or Read are those disgusting-tasting jellybeans, and you don't quite know yet how Cody will react. Manny Malhotra, while he's taking an absolute beating in almost every measurable category this season, keeps shots off the board at an above league-average pace. It's just been the offense and shot creation that hasn't been there for the Malhotra line. Malhotra eating up the most difficult minutes in the NHL (as far as I think anway: he has a .689 Corsi Rel QoC and a 15.9% Ozone start rate) helps the Canucks third line succeed to a point people want to give them more minutes.
Doesn't this make Malhotra successful?
| NAME | Corsi Rel QoC | Ozone |
|---|---|---|
| Henrik Sedin | 0.697 | 78.57% |
| Cody Hodgson | 0.292 | 40.61% |
| Ryan Kesler | 0.378 | 49.15% |
| Manny Malhotra | 0.689 | 15.93% |
Manny Malhotra loves those green and black jellybeans. By contrast to Mannyminutes, Codyminutes are much easier to take. There are just fewer of them to go around. There's only so much time that an opposing coach will send out his inferior players, and those are the matchups that Vigneault likes to set Hodgson up for.
So, just because Cody Hodgson is doing well in his Codyminutes doesn't mean that he'll continue to be successful with the Mannyminutes. But the way, you may notice that Ryan Nugent-Hopkins gets Henrikminutes for Edmonton. This is somewhat by design, but I really think that Gabriel Landeskog is, at least half a season in, the better of the first two picks from the draft because he plays much better defense. Adam Henrique is also quietly putting up a good season on New Jersey's first line. I think that the Calder Trophy race is quite interesting this season since we're starting to see rookies be put in different situations than they have before.
Back to the original point (and here I'll conclude it here), it's better for Hodgson's development, perhaps from a confidence perspective, if Manny Malhotra is the one who takes the beating in the tougher minutes rather than Hodgson. Particularly when you have a pretty unforgiving local media, the last thing you want is for Hodgson to start to be grilled a tonne after taking some of the minus-nights that Malhotra has been having. I think that, like Tuesday night, when Hodgson is having a good game you give Vigneault an opportunity to stretch out his minutes and play him up on that second line and give him some shifts on the wing with Ryan Kesler.
Hodgson is having a great season in the limited minutes he's getting. That is, however, entirely by design.
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AV seems to be giving him more mins anyway
But the problem in the past has been that in games where we trail AV will overplay both the sedins and Kesler and in the grind of the playoffs that will wear them out like it did last year. Even recently the sedins and Kesler started a 4 minute pp and played nearly the full first two minutes, came off for a short time than were back out to finish. I don’t care what kind of shape they’re in there’s simply no way they can be as effective playing that much and as a result we had a pp that didn’t generate many chances over 4 mins.
When I see what AV has done
to develop the likes of Kesler, Bieksa, Burrows, Hansen, Edler and Raymond, it gives me great faith that what he is doing with Hodgson is going to pay off wonderfully a couple years down the road. I’m not concerned at all about the ice time he’s getting.
excellent read Cam
I love the black jelly beans myself.
The green ones suck though!
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Really interesting
Good stuff as always, Cam. I would be curious to see how the Canucks’ approach to developing Hodgson compares statistically with other players it has slowly brought along, or even with players developed slowly in systems (such as Detroit’s) that are known for patient development of young players.
I feel like the Canucks are, in many ways, attempting to emulate the Red Wings’ organizational approach (expanding scouting, building depth, locking up key players long term, creating a year-to-year winning culture, creating a team that players will take less money to play for, etc.). One area I am really excited to see down the road is how the slow approach to prospect development plays out down the road. I feel as though the way the Canucks have brought along Schneider and Hodgson, as well as the patience they are showing with players like Tanev and Lack, is similar to Detroit’s approach and that it could pay big dividends down the road as those players develop in a less pressure filled environment and against inferior opponents (as you point out).
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Good article and I agree
One thing I would like to add is that people (and especially stupid TG and the media) seem to be laying all this about CoHo’s minutes at AV’s feet. I am more than certain that Cody’s development is a management decision as much as it is a coaching one. There is no way that MG is not also involved in how Cody is being utilized. And frankly why the hell is TG still writing for the canucks? the guy is an ass hat who still knows f**k all about hockey – trade the guy to the florida media for some future considerations. If it’s not fire AV or run Luongo out of town, its some other stupid agenda he has that has nothing to do with how the canucks are performing….
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Forgot to mention...
that Pass it to Bulis article on this is awesome and right on the “money”. I actually know Rich Winter and can honestly say that that article paints a pretty accurate picture…
Future Mrs. Bieksa
sorry my mistake, not the PITB article (but its a good one too)
there was another article on this subject from the perspective of Cody’s agent…. i have to find it again.
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this one
First time I have seen your comments here, Lilly. Welcome!
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by Sean Zandberg on Jan 3, 2012 3:42 PM PST up reply actions
Great perspective, Cam. It actually chilled me out on the CoHo icetime thing except, I would give him more PP minutes. Especially now when the PP is failing, at least temporarily. And if the Sedins want to be turnover machines when a man up make them sit and start the 2nd unit instead..like last night against the Sharks. I was cursing that top PP unit, yelling at AV to put the 2nd unit out. As soon as he did, bango! Chinook scores
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He is getting on
with about a minute every time. You don’t take more time than that from the 1st unit, do you? They are a huge reason that PP is #1.
Cody and the 2nd unit will be even more deadly when Booth returns. Having him and Higgy, with CoHo on the half boards dishing passes?
Works for me!
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huh, I recall lots of times where the top unit plays 75% or more of the PP
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by Sean Zandberg on Jan 3, 2012 11:25 PM PST up reply actions
That AV quote is well and good, so long as Kes and Henrik are actually in the 19-20 minute per game mark.
Yesterday, Kes played 23:17 and Hank played 21:26. In game #40, in early January.
I’d much rather Kes and Hank be in the 17-19 minute range, and be 100% for games 83 onward.
so...
what is AV supposed to do in a close game where we are behind by a goal like against the sharks? keep Hank and Kesler at their respective minutes or go for the win? please.
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In the end
Itll actually allow the sedins and especially Kesler to be more effective. It was the same problem with loungo until this season AV tends to overplay his stars.
Yes. We have shown that we play best when all 18 skaters are coming over the boards and engaged in the action. It should be a top priority of the coaching staff to manage minutes for Ryan Kesler, who is without a doubt the engine that moves the Canucks (see: 2011 Stanley Cup Final).
Personally, I’d like to see Kesler’s PK time decrease. I know that he’s a heart and soul player, but we don’t need him out there blocking shots for a first period power play in January/February. We have other guys who can kill penalties: Malhotra/Hansen, Lapierre/Raymond as the primary teams. Kesler and Burrows can chip in when needed but do not need to be out there every shift; we can even throw Hodgson out there for the odd PK.
We only go as far as a healthy Ryan Kesler takes us.
when i see cody in the defensive zone
he just never looks that great. chases around a little bit, and seems to let guys blow past him every now and then.
in the offensive zone he wins a lot of puck battles. not sure why this doesn’t translate into the defensive zone.
You see a Hodgson that “never looks that great”, I see a soon-to-be 22 year old still adjusting to the NHL level.
Memo to the Vancouver MSM: it would be awesome if you’d start the “Cody Hodgson for Calder” campaign.
a soon-to-be 22 year old still adjusting to the NHL
is a third line centre getting his appropriate amount of ice time. no problem there.
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