Rosterbation Time! Your Opinion On What Mike Gillis Needs To Do As The Trade Deadline Approaches
by Sean Zandberg on Feb 14, 2012 4:15 PM PST
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(Poor Ballard. Not even the Swedes want him.)
The NHL Trade Deadline is February 27, but as you know several trades happen days and even weeks before that date. So I figured I would post this now and as this is a FanPost, please "rec" it to keep it on top of the FanPost section on the right sidebar of the main page for the month of February. That way it will be easier to see and access.
I will buy a nice warm Canucks hoody for anyone who guesses a trade correctly. If a tie occurs, the person who has commented on this site the most will be awarded the prize. If you guess Mike Gillis does nothing and Mike Gillis actually does nothing.....you get nothing. A trade must occur.
Rosterbation, which we more or less define as (most of the time unrealistically) creating a dream Canucks team via trade or signing to make it the best experience possible, has been rampant already all over the League via mainstream media, blogs, Twitter, Forums, etc. What I am trying to do with this thread is to provide a hub for that kind of conversation for our NM Community, commenters and lurkers alike. A place for you to voice your opinion on what you'd like to see Mike Gillis do. But first, I am going to provide a bunch of information and get the conversation going. Lots after the jump.
CURRENT CANUCKS DEPTH CHART / SALARIES / SALARY CAP (Via Capgeek.com)
FORWARDS
Daniel Sedin ($6,100,000)
Henrik Sedin ($6,100,000)
Ryan Kesler ($5,000,000)
David Booth ($4,250,000)
Mason Raymond ($2,550,000) (RFA)
Manny Malhotra ($2,500,000)
Alexandre Burrows ($2,000,000)
Chris Higgins ($1,900,000)
Cody Hodgson ($1,666,666)
Jannik Hansen ($1,350,000)
Maxim Lapierre ($1,000,000)
Aaron Volpatti ($612,500) (LTIR*) (UFA)
Dale Weise ($605,000) (RFA)
Andrew Ebbett ($525,000) (UFA)
DEFENCEMEN
Kevin Bieksa ($4,600,000)
Dan Hamhuis ($4,500,000)
Keith Ballard ($4,250,000)
Alexander Edler ($3,250,000)
Sami Salo ($2,000,000) (UFA)
Andrew Alberts ($1,225,000)
Aaron Rome ($750,000) (UFA)
Alexander Sulzer ($700,000) (UFA)
GOALTENDERS
Roberto Luongo ($5,333,333)
Cory Schneider ($900,000) (RFA)
Salary Cap: $64,285,000
Canucks' Cap Payroll: $64,191,580
Projected Cap Space: $298,111
Maximum Long Term Injured Reserve* Remaining: $241,689
Maximum Cap Hit: Check this out. Mom, why did you drop me on my head as a kid? Oh well, back to my glass of antifreeze.
NON-ROSTER PLAYERS
Complete Canucks depth chart including salaries via CapGeek.
CANUCKS NEEDS
INTRO
Most of the chatter from the media and fans is about whether or not Mike Gillis will move Cory Schneider and / or Keith Ballard. Schneider becomes a restricted free agent after this season and is going to command dollars that the Canucks won't be able to afford without suffering somewhere else in the lineup. Schneider is a starting goaltender now. Teams will be chasing him before February 27. Mike Gillis seems content to ride a 2-tier goaltending tandem into the playoffs and I don't blame him. But he has said he would pull the trigger on a trade if someone basically blows his mind with an offer he can't refuse. Ballard and his $4,250,000 salary is an easy person to target for trade rumors because he cannot crack the top 4 and is benched often. It's not a ringing endorsement to other teams when a player with that salary is getting benched, unless they see a huge amount of potential. Gillis would probably have to sweeten the pot considerably to offload him. Ballard has 3 more years left on his contract after this season.
FORWARDS
Lots of talk about Canucks needing to acquire size up front, especially in the top 6. In my opinion they got that already in David Booth. That was the top 6 guy that they were hunting for all those months. So, with all the 9-12 forwards Vancouver has in its system, the only "void" or possible upgrade I can see up front is on Line 3: A versatile guy with a low salary who can play defensively and score and challenge for a top 6 spot or fill it if injuries occur. Currently, Mason Raymond, Cody Hodgson and Jannik Hansen occupy that spot. I believe Hodgson and Hansen are not going anywhere. Raymond...huh. Well he becomes a restricted free agent this summer. I wouldn't mind seeing a bigger body replace MayRay. But he would have to score at a .50 points per game pace like MayRay does. Having said this, I wouldn't care if Gillis leaves the forwards alone.
DEFENCE
Given Sami Salo's unfortunate injury history, it's fair to say that he's most likely going to get injured again, especially come playoff time when the game intensifies and his body pays for it. When Salo is out, a gaping hole is left both offensively and defensively in his absence. Offensively on the power play and defensively 5 on 5 and shorthanded. I suppose Ballard was supposed to be that guy to jump in but that now seems unlikely to occur...ever. Salo is currently irreplaceable with the current depth. I believe that this is the most glaring need for the Canucks at this point. In a perfect world we trade Ballard and acquire another $4 million top 4 defenceman with a right-handed shot. Just my opinion. OR, Ballard plays superb and stays. The 5th and 6th spots on D are covered with Rome, Alberts, Sulzer and Tanev. Tanev is a right handed shot but I'm not sure the team is willing to go with him in the top 4 unless they have to.
GOALTENDERS
If you think Roberto Luongo is getting traded you are in the wrong place. If you want Roberto Luongo traded we will entertain your opinion. The only potential trade here is Cory Schneider, and like I said earlier: the interested team is going to have to blow Mike Gillis' mind with an offer. I hope he stays and I almost expect that to happen. I think he pushes Luongo to be better because at any time Alain Vigneault will go with Schneider if Lou falters.
MY PREDICTION
No roster players get traded. Maybe a defensive prospect traded for an offensive prospect.
THE ROSTERBATOR IN ME WANTS:
The risky route: Keith Ballard and Mason Raymond traded to the Canadiens for P.K. Subban and Travis Moen.
Less risky: Keith Ballard and a 3rd round pick traded to the Penguins for Matt Niskanen. Yes that puts the Pens over the cap and no I don't care.
Roserbator Deluxe: Keith Ballard, Cory Schneider to Tampa Bay for Victor Hedman and Ryan Malone.
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TRADE RUMOR LINKS
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Alright, it's your turn to voice your opinion. You can be as realistic or unrealistic as you like. Please keep the conversation civil. Not everybody is going to agree with eachother's proposals / ideas.
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If Keith Ballard and Mason Raymond could get us Subban, that’d be amaaaaaaaaaaaaazing.
but is Pierre Gauthier really that crazy. I mean, he’s crazy. But is he craaaaaaaaazy?
He traded Mike Cammalleri in the middle of a 3-1 game
for Rene Bourque.
The man is the Gary Busey of NHL GMs.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jan 26, 2012 12:27 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
see i don't think subban is the type of player we need
flashy young guy with offensive instince
get’s caught out of position
yeah we got those already… they don’t help us against chicago or boston.
by Beantown Canuck on Jan 26, 2012 1:01 PM PST up reply actions
Subban
Drives possession against toughs.
He’d be excellent with Hamhuis, I think, who is more of a calming presence.
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sounds risky to me
then Bieksa with Rome (assuming a healthy Salo)?
by Beantown Canuck on Jan 26, 2012 1:08 PM PST up reply actions
Subban has 50 giveaways
that’s 7 more than Bieksa. And Subban has 5 fewer takeaways than Juice.
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Imagine this fanbase
reacting to Subban based on the way they react to Bieksa.
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Like Bieksa
Or Brent Burns, or Erik Karlsson, or John Carlson, or all those other guys on the top of the giveaways list…
…he gives up the puck so much because he always has the puck otherwise.
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Seems to me the fans may have been wrong on Bieksa. MG should be working to find divisive players!
by Passive Voice on Jan 26, 2012 1:27 PM PST up reply actions
But on the real, fan reaction is basically dead last on the list of things a GM should be concerned about, especially if he’s built up as much goodwill as Gillis has.
by Passive Voice on Jan 26, 2012 1:28 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah I agree
that’s wasn’t my point. It was tangential to my point in fact. It just popped into my head that fans would go batshit crazy with Subban in the lineup.
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Giveaways and Takeaways...
…depend a lot on the scorer. Montreal and the NY Islanders rink love counting things.
Subban’s team has the puck. Moreso than his Corsi rate says he does, because the MTL scorer loves counting blocked shots for the Habs.
People don’t like PK Subban. I don’t quite know why, because he’s “disrespectful” or whatever. But he’s effective at controlling the puck against tough competition. I don’t really care how he does it, or how he looks doing it, but he’d be a terrific addition to any team.
Also, the guy is 22.
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I have no feelings
of ‘like’ or ‘dislike’ for PK Subban. I just know he turns the puck over a lot and isn’t a great team mate and those are things I don’t think this team needs.
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By the same token
I know he has the puck more than not, and his team is better with him on the ice than not.
We want top-four depth and we want another gun on the PP. This guy could be both.
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Genuinely curious: where does the teammate stuff come from?
by Passive Voice on Jan 26, 2012 1:28 PM PST up reply actions
It's not one thing or place
just stuff I have read/heard/seen.
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Yeah, like when Jacques Martin got fired he blasted Subban for being selfish
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by Sean Zandberg on Jan 26, 2012 1:52 PM PST up reply actions
I’m just gonna go ahead and assume Martin’s a terrible racist
#FreePK
by Passive Voice on Jan 26, 2012 1:58 PM PST up reply actions
I have been around hockey teams closely
for 4 years now. They don’t fight in practice very often and it isn’t a big deal when it happens. More tends to get made of it than needs to be made of it. But more than once in 3 or 4 years would be strange. In the same season? Something is up and I don’t want to rick finding out what it is.
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Actually...
…Subban-Rome might work.
That leaves Alberts or Sulzer to roll in for a presumably-unhealthy Sami Salo, if indeed you’re giving up Keith Ballard.
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I'm confused
you guys want PK Subban? The guy who is so bad at defense he gets benched when his team is up 6-0? The guy who team mates can’t stand having on their team? Am I missing something?
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I personally think he needs the right environment. And boundaries. Both of which I think Vancouver is better to provide than the circus they have going on in Montreal.
Didn’t realize he was universally hated on his team though, that’s obviously an issue.
Clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose.
that’s the angle I was going with too, Jevant. Change of scenery…more mature Canucks team, etc. Still though, I did call it a risk.
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by Sean Zandberg on Jan 26, 2012 1:22 PM PST up reply actions
I just don't see
gillis bringing someone with that kind of rep into this locker room. Sure Lappy had a reputation, but he had 2 things going for him PK doesn’t: 1 the head coach vouched for him, 2 he’s not known as a locker room poison. Gillis has built this team on the philosophy that he wants players to want to come here. Bringing in a guy known for stirring shit is just plain not his style.
Having said that, Gillis has also been shown to be a deep thinker who looks at all angles, and maybe a conversation with PK and/or his locker room people would change his opinion of him.
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Counterpoint:
Maxim Lapierre
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i mean, if the price is right
this basically describes Dion Phanoof from 3 years ago. Phaneuf, as incredible a cunt as he is, has been really good for TML. plus P.K.’s probably not gonna command 6.5m this summer.
by Passive Voice on Jan 26, 2012 1:23 PM PST up reply actions
He better not
Because we also have Edler to re-up in 2 years IF they were to trade for him. He’d also fit in well with the whole diving thing
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#MoneyPuck
Parlay Alex Edler’s zone start and Sedin PP advantage into another asset.
And trade him, rather than wait until he’s a UFA and lose him, like Ehrhoff.
Then build up Subban in the same role.
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defensemen playing PP with the twins = closers
by Passive Voice on Jan 26, 2012 1:30 PM PST up reply actions
Edler might be your only chance to do it
Christian Ehrhoff picked a baaaaad year to suck.
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he’s doing it in buffalo though, there’s hope everyone’s forgotten about it
by Passive Voice on Jan 26, 2012 1:37 PM PST up reply actions
Or a great year
Since he already got his big contract.
by Canuckelhead on Jan 26, 2012 1:39 PM PST up reply actions
naw for us. it’s gonna be hard to sell canucks PP defensemen in the future if Ehrhoff doesn’t wow anybody.
by Passive Voice on Jan 26, 2012 1:45 PM PST up reply actions
Subban is still trying to learn how to play defense (as he was quoted recently after the much and overly publicized shouting match with his coach) and still has a long way to go and while he may yet have a great upside he is not worth Ballard and Raymond.
And while Gauthier is crazy or at least not very smart he would be insane not to jump at that trade.
by Captain Ahab on Jan 26, 2012 1:49 PM PST up reply actions
Subban is still trying to learn how to play defense (as he was quoted recently after the much and overly publicized shouting match with his coach) and while he may yet have a great upside he is not worth Ballard and Raymond.
And while Gauthier is crazy or at least not very smart he would be insane not to jump at that trade.
by Captain Ahab on Jan 26, 2012 1:51 PM PST up reply actions
Blow the shit up
D Sedin, H Sedin, M Raymond to Edmonton
T Hall, T Hartikainen, R Whitney, 1st rd 2012, 1st rd 2013 to Vancouver
R Luongo to Washington Capitals
Bag of pucks and Anan Zaaaaaa to Vancouver
trolololo!
I know you’re trolling but it still makes me froth.
But didn’t you here, Hemsky is going to land Edmonton Corey Schneider.
oh please god no
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by Sean Zandberg on Jan 26, 2012 12:25 PM PST up reply actions
no no no no no
kill it with fire
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jan 26, 2012 12:28 PM PST up reply actions
I want a free Hoody!!!
To Vancouver:
Jeff Carter
To Columbus:
David Booth
Cory Schneider
.313/.400/.565
It’s over $50 bucks too yet. Fuck, I want that hoody!
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by Sean Zandberg on Jan 26, 2012 12:27 PM PST up reply actions
The team store had sick hoodies. My girlfriend got me a Burrows one for Christmas.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jan 26, 2012 12:30 PM PST up reply actions
niiiiiiiiice
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by Sean Zandberg on Jan 26, 2012 12:31 PM PST up reply actions
lawl
I want Edler’s. Before that, I saw Toews’ and wanted that too.
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oh god toews
buy it so we can burn it in effigy
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jan 26, 2012 7:21 PM PST up reply actions
Ha, came here to broach Carter. Sedin-Carter-Kes down the middle is fuck right off enticing.
by Passive Voice on Jan 26, 2012 1:33 PM PST up reply actions
I am liking Booth’s play. Plus, Carter is a natural center right? We don’t need anymore of those! Actually, I think your proposal is a win for Columbus more than Van.
Just my 2 pennies :)
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by Sean Zandberg on Jan 26, 2012 1:54 PM PST up reply actions
I'd do Carter for Booth in a heart beat.
Carter in a down year vs. Booth in a career season are the only times they are even comparable players. Booth is overpaid, and signed through 2015. Carter has a team friendly deal, and is signed through 2022.
Three more things to consider:
(1) The final two years of Carter’s deal can be bought out very economically under the current CBA rules.
(2) Jeff Carter’s long term deal has already been traded once, and it looks like it will be again, so it’s not like we’d be stuck with him if he sucks.
(3) David Booth is shooting an uncharacteristically high 14.3%, which is over 50% higher than his career percentage, while playing tougher minutes in Vancouver. Jeff Carter is a volume shooter, that can create his own shot and for his career has maintained a modest 10.9% shooting percentage.
.313/.400/.565
The only way you get stuck with Carter
Is with his NTC. I should mention…..
.313/.400/.565
Haynes,
Do you place any stock in Carter’s perceived attitude issues? Or is that just a media by-product?
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by Vancouverguy on Feb 17, 2012 11:50 AM PST up reply actions
I think that a lot of time those are overblown... But
When there is smoke there is usually fire, so who knows.
I think that if he did come to Vancouver, he’d acclimate to the strong team culture that we have here and I’d expect him to continue to put up 30-40 goals for the next four seasons.
I love the way Booth is playing, but Jeff Carter is a game changer that would make teams really think about matchups.
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by Sean Zandberg on Jan 26, 2012 12:28 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
OK, we’re good. Thanks, all.
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by Sean Zandberg on Jan 26, 2012 12:33 PM PST up reply actions
Heard LeBrun confirming
Moen is indeed on GMMG’s wishlist. Rosterbate away, people!
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really?? FUCK YES!
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by Sean Zandberg on Jan 26, 2012 12:34 PM PST up reply actions
Yep on TEAM 1040
I feel like this is the first year in a while where I have no idea how this Canucks team will do in the playoffs (presuming we make it, there is still time). In other years I had aspirations but realistic expectations. This year… no idea.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jan 26, 2012 12:37 PM PST up reply actions
I remember
Moen’s goal sunk the Canucks in the Canucks-Ducks series, in the year when they won the cup.
Los Angeles, CA
yep, he was a beast
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by Sean Zandberg on Jan 26, 2012 12:37 PM PST up reply actions
I remember Getzlaf ringing Hansen's bell
and Luie getting distracted and getting scored on in OT. Listened to it on the drive home from work.
Brutal.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jan 26, 2012 12:38 PM PST up reply actions
yeah, Lou raised his arm to indicate a penalty and I believe Niedermayer wristed it in from the point.
The Canucks were outmatched anyway.
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by Sean Zandberg on Jan 26, 2012 12:39 PM PST up reply actions
Cowan
was clutch.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jan 26, 2012 7:22 PM PST up reply actions
not really
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by Sean Zandberg on Jan 26, 2012 8:55 PM PST up reply actions
Dude
girls threw bras at him. How many bras have you had thrown at you? Personally I’ve only had 2! And that was a good day!
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jan 26, 2012 9:28 PM PST up reply actions
dude was clutch for maybe 2 weeks. I loved it. I thought you were referring to the playoffs.
How many bras thrown at me? Several. I am 37 years old.
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by Sean Zandberg on Jan 26, 2012 10:46 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Not from the same person, gramps.
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by eightyseven on Jan 27, 2012 10:59 AM PST up reply actions
+1
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jan 28, 2012 2:12 PM PST up reply actions
C'm on man,
I am just about to have lunch. Now I feel like throwing it in the basket.
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My apologies
Mentions of Dan Cloutier have the same effect on me.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jan 26, 2012 7:22 PM PST up reply actions
MayRay.
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by Sean Zandberg on Jan 26, 2012 12:38 PM PST up reply actions
is that really an upgrade
i think mayray, despite lack of production, fits with CoHo better
by Beantown Canuck on Jan 26, 2012 1:04 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, but Moen isn’t a slug either. Plus he’s more aggressive.
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by Sean Zandberg on Jan 26, 2012 1:23 PM PST up reply actions
plus he’s an excellent PK guy
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by Sean Zandberg on Jan 26, 2012 1:26 PM PST up reply actions
mayray
is also good at pk
so again, it’s more like grit vs. speed/skill
and i still think the latter fits better with CoHo and moreover is more versatile in the lineup a top 6 winger be out.
by Beantown Canuck on Jan 26, 2012 1:39 PM PST up reply actions
and moreover is more versatile in the lineup a top 6 winger be out.
Yeah, that is an issue alright. I kind of went against what I said in the post.
So Moen would replace Weise, who would be put on waivers. Yay!
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by Sean Zandberg on Jan 26, 2012 1:42 PM PST up reply actions
i'm fine with that as better than nothing
but i don’t think upgrading our L4 should be the priority
something to look at after we look into getting another D-man first
by Beantown Canuck on Jan 26, 2012 1:43 PM PST up reply actions
Well, we’d be trading Ballard for Subban too. That was my risky proposal
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by Sean Zandberg on Jan 26, 2012 1:45 PM PST up reply actions
Moen (and Gill) would be a welcome addition.
by Captain Ahab on Jan 26, 2012 1:55 PM PST up reply actions
Fuck I'd take that Subban trade ANY DAY.
My trades:
Andrew Ebbett and a 2nd rounder for Travis Moen.
Ballard and a 2nd rounder for Adrian Aucoin.
Moen’s contract is expiring so MTL gets Ebbett (decent bottom 6 guy) and a 2nd rounder (the proverbial sweetening of the pot) for him instead of nothing.
Ballard gets to go back to Phoenix where he should flourish in the system there. We get Aucoin, who shoots right and has a hell of a shot, and Phoenix gets a 2nd rounder (also to sweeten the pot).
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jan 26, 2012 12:35 PM PST reply actions
oh god
I wouldn’t know whether to be upset or jubilant… no I’d be upset.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jan 26, 2012 7:23 PM PST up reply actions
you had to think about it? TRAITOR!!
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by Sean Zandberg on Jan 26, 2012 8:56 PM PST up reply actions
Schneider, Raymond and Ballard for Parise, Foster and a third rounder
It’s practically got to happen.
Salo is too valuable, IMO
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by Sean Zandberg on Jan 26, 2012 12:45 PM PST up reply actions
I would definitely pass on that. Salo is better than Aucoin in my books, and he fits perfectly with this team. Get Aucoin if he is available, but another way.
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salo will retire as a canuck
wither at the end of this season or the end of next season
100% guaranteed
by Beantown Canuck on Jan 26, 2012 1:06 PM PST up reply actions
wither?
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Wither made sense
He’s either going to wither at the end of this season or next season and that will dictate when he retires.
by Canuckelhead on Jan 26, 2012 1:45 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah man
I thought you were being clever.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jan 26, 2012 7:23 PM PST up reply actions
Salo signed for a mil or more less than he could get to stay here
i would imagine that came with the understanding he would not have to move at the end of Feb!
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I still think that
Ballard can become a second Bieksa, and follow the same path.
A year ago we hated Bieksa with passion, and everybody here was raving about how awful he is. Then he totally changed his game and the rest is history.
I really believe that Ballard can go through the exact same transformation. He has the all the tools he needs to become top 4. But it can only happen if AV trusts him in key times.
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bieksa been very hot-and-cold this year
i hope he rises to his A-game come playoffs
by Beantown Canuck on Jan 26, 2012 1:06 PM PST up reply actions
Ballard showing me something lately.
I don’t know what he has been drinking (or not drinking) but all of a sudden Ballard is looking as though he wants to play not just on but actually for the Canucks. Playing heads up hockey, hitting and even dropping the mitts a few times. He does have a great upside and if he keeps going like this.
by Captain Ahab on Jan 26, 2012 1:59 PM PST up reply actions
I think that the more confident on the ice Ballard becomes, the better he’ll play.
His problem has been, and still is, loss of confidence.
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by Bobby Canuck on Jan 28, 2012 5:40 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
This.
He gets rescued by a Cup contender, gets trumpeted as a top-4 defenseman. Comes to his new team, new city while not completely healthy. Given an extremely short leash, ends up in the new head coaches doghouse and yo-yos between top 4/top 6/the pressbox.
I think we’re now seeing the Keith Ballard that we acquired from Florida.
make that “his whole career up until last season” :) For me anyway
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by Sean Zandberg on Jan 26, 2012 1:24 PM PST up reply actions
a year ago
he was the stanchions best partner
Alex Burrows is a nice guy...He opens doors.
I tweeted last night...
…that PK Subban is disgruntled with Montreal, and Montreal is disgruntled with PK Subban.
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I would love to see him Ina Canuck uniform but GMMG has stated numerous times that he takes character into consideration when acquiring players and PK doesn’t have the best rep in that department.
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Lapierre
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Yeah
But lapierre was a guy AV could vouche for.
by Canuckelhead on Jan 26, 2012 1:29 PM PST up reply actions
different
Lapierre had been coached by AV who liked him and was willing to go to bat. Also lapierre never riled up team mates, did he?
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Has PK?
Maybe we could get Cody Hodgson to vouch for Subban, who played with him at the World Juniors one year.
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Assuming PK’s not as much as an ass as people have been saying and Hodgson would give a positive recomendation. From a physical point of view he’s exactly what the Canucks need. Defensive depth is their biggest liability and let alone bringing his booming shot to the team now, he has huge upside.
by Canuckelhead on Jan 26, 2012 1:36 PM PST up reply actions
Subban's crocodile mouth keeps getting his chickadee ass in trouble.
What exactly would be the upside to getting Subban? His end to end rushes where he hangs his defensive partner out to dry. His tape to (opposing players) tape passing? His constant bitching on and off the ice or him turtling when he finally finds himself in a situation where he has to stand up for himself?
by Captain Ahab on Jan 26, 2012 2:05 PM PST up reply actions
His end to end rushes where he hangs his defensive partner out to dry.
Might be the first time I’ve ever heard anyone criticize a d-man for being able to go end-to-end.
by Passive Voice on Jan 26, 2012 2:09 PM PST up reply actions
When he is the last man back and decides to rush the puck that is when!
by Captain Ahab on Jan 26, 2012 2:46 PM PST up reply actions
he is pretty good in his own end
as well. strong along the boards, and has a good stick.
I can imagine in our pinch and go when you have it style, his speed and skill would mesh pretty seamlessly, no?
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by Passive Voice on Jan 26, 2012 1:15 PM PST reply actions 3 recs
TMI
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by Sean Zandberg on Jan 26, 2012 1:29 PM PST up reply actions
aside from the
bad image that leaves in the mind, trading away schneider leaves us back up goalie-less. Lack’s not ready, and who else is out there that we’d want?
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Schneider and Ballard to Phoenix for Yandle and LaBarbie….haha
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by Sean Zandberg on Jan 26, 2012 1:32 PM PST up reply actions
Hedman can play goalie. dude’s a machine.
by Passive Voice on Jan 26, 2012 1:36 PM PST up reply actions
Why is Lack not ready?
He’s played over 100 games of pro hockey so I actually think he is ready to play the 5 games the rest of the way that Luongo needs off. Only 4 back to backs left in the season. 33 games left. Give Lack an extra one or two and Luongo ends up with roughly 62 starts this season. He had 60 last year.
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my belief
is that lack needs another year on the farm. I’d hate to rush his progress, specially when there’s no real need to. Trade schneider and the need comes up, I guess.
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Bacl to backs left
Toronto and Edmonton.
Detroit New Jersey
Chicago Dallas
Dallas Calgary
So Lack starts on the road in Edmonton. in Jersey. In Dallas and home to Calgary. Plus one other easy game like Columbus after the Montreal and Phoenix games.
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I suppose
i’m not anti-lack… I guess i’m just more comfortable with a known entity (known at this level and in super high pressure games at this level) than a really promising prospect with little experience in the big show.
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How often do you get to deal for a under 25 stud Dman? Make the trade, and pray Lui stays healthy. That’s what I’d do.
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by Vancouverguy on Jan 26, 2012 3:36 PM PST up reply actions
Since MG always deals with Florida I was looking into that as well. But….that’s tricky stuff. How about Ballard and MayRay for Jovo and Son Of Sam? haha.
Or Ballard and Schneider for Jovo and Weiss? Just throwing that out there
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uh...
the milk was sour this morning so i put it in the fridge and i’ll try it again tonight?
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by Twitchy2010 on Jan 26, 2012 1:32 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Tallon's going to take Ballard back?
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I know I know…..
I just see a lot of responses to trades proposed here and not many people sticking their neck out and making proposals of their own.
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by Sean Zandberg on Jan 26, 2012 1:38 PM PST up reply actions
Throwing this out there
Raymond, an offensive prospect and a pick to wpg for Byfuglien and prospect.
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i disagree
he’s as mobile as salo, more so than alberts. Might be out of price tho.
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Buff?
You sir, are drunk.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jan 26, 2012 7:25 PM PST up reply actions
Buttfugly??
No thank you
Alex Burrows is a nice guy...He opens doors.
Raymond and a 6th for Gill
i never thought i’d say this, but hal “tollbooth” gill is a perfect fit. expiring ufa. he did get his ass handed to him by rypien though
ps schneider gets dealt at the deadline around a package for brett connelly or ryan johansen. line me up two hoodies
if we can get moen too in the same deal
that would also be excellent
Even though I want to see Gill in Vancouver Raymond’s too much to give up for him.
by Captain Ahab on Jan 26, 2012 2:07 PM PST up reply actions
I was kind of hoping for Beauchemin
But then he got re-upped
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same here
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by Sean Zandberg on Jan 26, 2012 1:43 PM PST up reply actions
What about Matt Niskanen outta Pittsburgh? I was eyeing him too. He’s a bit on the decline, but he’s a righty who might look good with Edler in Salo’s potential absence
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why would pitts want to do that though?
by Beantown Canuck on Jan 26, 2012 1:47 PM PST up reply actions
I’m rosterbating. Close the door. haha
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by Sean Zandberg on Jan 26, 2012 1:48 PM PST up reply actions
Niskanen’s on their third pairing, isnt’ he? probs wouldn’t cost much.
by Passive Voice on Jan 26, 2012 1:49 PM PST up reply actions
that was my thought too.
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by Sean Zandberg on Jan 26, 2012 1:50 PM PST up reply actions
it would cost something that would make pittsburgh a better team now
what do we have that suits that?
by Beantown Canuck on Jan 26, 2012 1:51 PM PST up reply actions
OK throw in Alberts. Then they have more depth on D, which they seem to be lacking
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by Sean Zandberg on Jan 26, 2012 1:55 PM PST up reply actions
of course, this assumes niskanen is worth getting at all. i’m not convinced. :)
by Passive Voice on Jan 26, 2012 1:59 PM PST up reply actions
Florida's D-man with the lowest PDO...
…fyi, is Erik Gudbranson
We’ll trade Andrew Alberts, a prospect, and a pick for him.
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Shit, that guy is only 20 years old!
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by Sean Zandberg on Jan 26, 2012 1:47 PM PST up reply actions
Why is he a -11?
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by Sean Zandberg on Jan 26, 2012 1:48 PM PST up reply actions
cuz he’s 20 years old and has the lowest PDO :)
by Passive Voice on Jan 26, 2012 1:48 PM PST up reply actions
I already forget what PDO is
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by Sean Zandberg on Jan 26, 2012 1:50 PM PST up reply actions
why would florida want to do that though?
by Beantown Canuck on Jan 26, 2012 1:47 PM PST up reply actions
Bryan Allen?
What about bringing Bryan Allen back in some sort of deal that includes unloading Ballards salary?
hmmmmmmmmmmmm
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by Sean Zandberg on Jan 26, 2012 1:49 PM PST up reply actions
Ballads
are pretty expensive.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Feb 7, 2012 2:12 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I just don't see
a schneider trade unless it’s to a non-playoff team in exchange for some gold. Is gillis gonna want to trade away our not quite backup goalie to someone we may meet in the playoffs? Not unless they’re giving us back something out of this world that helps our playoff chances more than hurts theirs…shea weber maybe or david backes, that kinda thing.
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I would love either of those 2 guys. Regrettably, neither of those teams have anything close to resembling a goaltending issue.
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that's
kinda my point. I just can’t see a deal good enough to justify trading away what is essentially a secret weapon against a playoff meltdown or injury to luongo for something that makes it so that wouldn’t matter and a regular back up could cover it. And I just don’t see where that trade is in the league.
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I agree
Nor should he. The Canucks ideally need a legitimate NHL dman and a big body forward to play on the second or third line. Neither of which should cost CS.
by Canuckelhead on Jan 26, 2012 1:52 PM PST up reply actions
a big body forward
with offensive ability, in particular
otherwise no room on line 2 or 3 in my opinion
by Beantown Canuck on Jan 26, 2012 1:54 PM PST up reply actions
Of course
The problem is those guys are hard to find. I’m looking through the rosters of teams that are probably going to be sellers and I’m having trouble finding any that work.
by Canuckelhead on Jan 26, 2012 1:55 PM PST up reply actions
if ANA would be willing to give up any of Getzlaf, Ryan or Perry
I might give schneids for that
by Beantown Canuck on Jan 26, 2012 1:55 PM PST up reply actions
ha
Going to take way more than Schneids to get any of them
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Schneider and Hodgson……heheh
Hey Beantown do you still think the time to trade Hodgson is now? I thought that was an interesting concept
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by Sean Zandberg on Jan 26, 2012 1:57 PM PST up reply actions
Can’t fit them under the cap though just by moving Cody+Cory
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obviously also dump ballard
and let Alberts take that spot
need one more d-man for depth for under $1mill
by Beantown Canuck on Jan 26, 2012 2:10 PM PST up reply actions
I miss that guy
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by Sean Zandberg on Jan 26, 2012 8:57 PM PST up reply actions
i didn't say ONLY schneids
but i would be willing to part with schneids for such a player
by Beantown Canuck on Jan 26, 2012 1:57 PM PST up reply actions
How though??
How do you give up schneids right before a deep playoff run, with no one to fill the back up slot even adequately? I’d love perry or ryan (i’m a getslaf hater, didn’t even want to cheer for him during the olympics and frankly i think we’ve already seen his best), but i’d be uncomfortable without Schneider there to backstop us.
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teams do that all the time. Who backstopped Brodeur? Who backstopped MA Fleury?
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by Sean Zandberg on Jan 26, 2012 1:58 PM PST up reply actions
Bingo
Rask may be an excellent backup… he didn’t play a damn minute in the playoffs.
So it’s irrelevent that he’s so much better than many backups to cup champions.
The only “the backup took over the starting role” team I can recall in the last decade winning the Cup is Carolina with Ward.
by Beantown Canuck on Jan 26, 2012 2:07 PM PST up reply actions
if you're going to have a hole somewhere
i’d rather it be on the bench than on the ice
of course it is a risk, but you gotta take risks.
and like i said, it’s risk i would take only as part of a deal for a HUGE return
by Beantown Canuck on Jan 26, 2012 2:12 PM PST up reply actions
If we acquire a forward and don’t upgrade the defence, I won’t be happy camper.
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i agree
but it takes two to tango
if there’s no options out there to upgrade D in a way that is worthwhile (i.e. doesn’t hurt the team in other ways that offset the gains), then you still gotta look into upgrading elsewhere
by Beantown Canuck on Jan 26, 2012 2:13 PM PST up reply actions
Okay, so as to PK Subban being an asshole
and hated in the locker room, and a cancer, and the worst teammate ever and everything… Can anybody point to where this has been said? Can anybody point to anything that proves Subban is the problem in the MTL room? I would say there are more than a few problems on that team; maybe Subban is part of it, but laying it all on him and calling him a cancer seems a little over the top unless we have some pretty solid reasons for saying so. I have not, personally, seen any of this so I’d love to be enlightened.
Who called him a cancer?
Who said he is the problem in Montreal? Where is this coming from?
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I hate when people use that term
Can we as sports fans agree to stop calling people “cancer” maybe move on to aids.“He’s the aids of the locker room”. It makes the same sense.
by Canuckelhead on Jan 26, 2012 2:02 PM PST up reply actions
I don't think he is particularly well liked
and I think if we are trading roster players to get him we may as well trade roster players to get a similar player who is also a good team mate. That’s my take on it.
And I suggest we call a ‘cancer’ a locker room genital wart instead.
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Works for me
I get where it comes from but it’s such a harsh word. So harsh that it makes it inacurrate since i dont ever remember a player killing his teammates slowly and painfully. Genital warts are more accurate. More than an annoyance, if left untreated they can spread, but not life threatening.
by Canuckelhead on Jan 26, 2012 2:09 PM PST up reply actions
The guy who team mates can’t stand having on their team?
Which teammates? I’m genuinely curious.
(Lapierre is) not known as a locker room poison. Gillis has built this team on the philosophy that he wants players to want to come here. Bringing in a guy known for stirring shit is just plain not his style.
Also lapierre never riled up team mates, did he?
Again, genuinely curious. I heard Martin’s parting shot, and I heard Richards statement that “he’ll get hurt if he keeps playing that way”. So yeah.
That’s probably a good thing because Subban has been a hot topic and most of the commentary hasn’t been flattering.
*When former coach Jacques Martin ended his silence over his firing, he uncharacteristically suggested that Subban was a selfish player.
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by Sean Zandberg on Jan 26, 2012 2:00 PM PST up reply actions
Here's the trade I want to happen
Ballard, MayRay yann sauve and a third for Bobby Ryan. Which would make the forward lines
Sedin Sedin Burrows
Ryan Kesler Higgins
Booth Coho Hansen
And give AV the opportunity to roll four lines, keep everyone rested and ready.
man, i dunno
seems to me that hurts us more than it helps us…the forwards feel pretty good right now to me, i’d think it’s defense where there’s a hole. IMO
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I agree
Our D is the weakest link but the forwards look good now during the regular season, it’s the playoffs where the lack of size always becomes an issue. Bobby Ryan is big, he makes the second line as good as the first and the third line a potent combo if production dries up for the top two. Key because it’s inevitable.
by Canuckelhead on Jan 26, 2012 2:05 PM PST up reply actions
i would take that deal in a heartbeat
although i think i’d have higgins on L3 with hansen and keep Booth with Ryan and Kes
that being said, no way i would do that if i were Anaheim. That’s an absolutely crap return for them.
by Beantown Canuck on Jan 26, 2012 2:16 PM PST up reply actions
I dunno
They could use Ballard in their top four. Sauve is a legit prospect and MayRay can give back some of the offensive production they lose from Ryan. I mean you’re probably right but I’m rosterbating here.
I don’t actually know that Kesler and booth long term are a great fit. Both shoot first guys etc. and that game where booth and CoHo played together they looked electric.
by Canuckelhead on Jan 26, 2012 2:22 PM PST up reply actions
yeah, boothstopher can play on any line AFAIC. solid dude.
by Passive Voice on Jan 26, 2012 2:23 PM PST up reply actions
oh plus playing with Booth would pretty much cinch my Hodgson=Stephen Weiss conceit.
by Passive Voice on Jan 26, 2012 2:24 PM PST up reply actions
So only 2 guys on the second line?
That’s a strange play.
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by Mike Feeney on Jan 26, 2012 2:05 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
(bobby) ryan (ryan) Kesler (chris) higgins
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by Sean Zandberg on Jan 26, 2012 2:08 PM PST up reply actions
D'oh!
channeled my inner missy
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worse. he’s also traded for some kid named “coho hansen” to play with Grizz
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that's
a kickass hockey name… salmon and slapshot playing with grizz? fuck yeah!
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oh my god
ROMANCE EXPLOSION
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jan 26, 2012 7:30 PM PST up reply actions
Gleason + Larose for, like, Ballard and a 1st.
Edler-Bieksa
Hamhuis-Gleason
Rome/Alberts-Tanev
Salo will die somehow. If he doesn’t, even better.
Burdin
Booth-Kesler-Larose
Higgins-Hodgson-Hansen
This-That-Theotherthing
Larose
A better second liner than Higgins?
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Stop trying to turn this team into Team USA
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I'm not
It’s Team Michigan. I’m obviously building up to the point where we trade for Tim Thomas
by Passive Voice on Jan 26, 2012 2:17 PM PST up reply actions
he ain't going to like that universal healthcare
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by Beantown Canuck on Jan 26, 2012 2:21 PM PST up reply actions
he’ll get over it when he leads the Chicago Wolves to an improbable Calder Cup.
by Passive Voice on Jan 26, 2012 2:21 PM PST up reply actions 4 recs
+1
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jan 26, 2012 7:31 PM PST up reply actions
oh boy
this is almost busier than our gamethreads already!!!
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At some point, missy, all fathers need to warn their daughters about men. Pretty much the first thing covered is that if one man starts rosterbating in the presence of other men, it’s only a matter of time before they all have their capgeeks out and are busily hammering away.
by Passive Voice on Jan 26, 2012 2:28 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
i’d be joining you guys, but my playbook only has 7% battery life right now.
just got out of class, grabbing a bit of food before heading home to charge this puppy and prep the draft thread….
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playbook?
people actually use those?
by Beantown Canuck on Jan 26, 2012 2:36 PM PST up reply actions
Quarterbacks?
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Lingerie?
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jan 26, 2012 7:32 PM PST up reply actions
Yes it is
yes indeed my friend
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jan 28, 2012 2:12 PM PST up reply actions
apparently missy’s father is really falling behind in his advice giving.
by Passive Voice on Jan 26, 2012 2:38 PM PST up reply actions
yep
it actually works quite well.
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just need
some troll to post about diving and some pic of boobs and it could be a game thread.
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Helllllllllllllllllllllllllllo!
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by Sean Zandberg on Jan 26, 2012 3:26 PM PST up reply actions
And she's diving
Get it guys? Diving AND boobs
by Canuckelhead on Jan 26, 2012 3:27 PM PST up reply actions
bazinga
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by Sean Zandberg on Jan 26, 2012 3:30 PM PST up reply actions
Why Not?
Raymond , Ballard and a pick for Doan & Aucoin.
The money works, both Aucoin and Doan are UFA so it provides cap relief and flexibility in the summer and it clears some redundancy on our roster.
I’ve heard Doan isn’t asking out of Phoenix but I think he’d be excited at the chance to play on a real contender and playoff hockey as a swing 2-3rd liner could be a fountain of youth for him.
by Underachiever11 on Jan 26, 2012 2:36 PM PST reply actions
I'm doan errr down
Anyone who beat Mantracker is welcome on my team.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jan 26, 2012 7:33 PM PST up reply actions
I like the Tampa deal but..
As recent history is proven, top 3 1st round pick D men don’t get traded very often, unless their teams are broke, or they are looking like a bust (eg. Jay Bouwmeester or Cam Barker). The only one who was moved in recent memory was Erik Johnson and I think looking back its obvious Colorado overpaid (Johnson and McClement for Stewart and Shattenkirk), especially with St. Louis’ recent play.
I doubt Stevie Y gives up Hedman for anything less than CoHo, Schneider, and/or Edler, especially since he still looks to be progressing into the beast hybrid of Pronger-size and Lidstrom-smarts he was projected to be in his draft year. I wish this was NHL 12 and these types of deals were possible but unfortunately they are not. In the real world 21 year old 6’6 bluechip D-men just aren’t moved for any price.
Who would you rather have P.K. Subban or Tyler Myers from Buffalo?
Which one would be better in a Canucks uniform and who would you give up to get him?
double suggestion!
Ballard and Raymond and other things probably for Penner and Grossman (two different teams I know—I’ll leave the details up to Mike)
Size that can play! I know Penner takes a tonne of shit for being lazy, but having a big gut hasn’t stopped him (or Byfuglien, or Welly…) from being effective. Sure he’d be better if he were Adonis, but that doesn’t mean he’s not pretty good anyway. He works the boards and the front of the net. Additionally, I think he’d have stepped in on Marchand last spring. When Doughty popped Hall sometime last year, Penner immediately jumped in. Same story earlier this year when Rinaldo hit Doughty.
Grossman gets the Canucks within shouting distance of Shea Weber size/defence at like 1/5th the price of the actual thing. Plus I love me some Swedish.
Edler-Salo
Grossman-Hamhuis/Bieksa
Bieksa/Hamhuis-Tanev/Rome/Alberts
Sedin-Sedin-Penner
Burrows-Kesler-Higgins
Booth-Hodgson-Hansen
Malhotra-Lapierre-Whatever
/fapfapfapfap
I like Grossman, but Penner? Really?
3G and 11P in 38 games this year…Last year he had 2 goals and 6 points in 19 games with LA. He put up some decent numbers in Edmonton, and perhaps it’s the system in LA that just hasn’t worked for him… I love the guy’s size and if I was more confident in his… shall we say, fire, I’d be all over it. He’s legitimately a guy who I’d be concerned about bringing here though.
Put Burr back with the twins if it doesn’t look like Penner fits there*, and move Double Pennertration down a line or two. I’m comfortable with him anywhere#. Pull this trigger, Gilly!**
Penner doesn’t fit into an airplane seat, let alone an NHL top line
#Of course you’d be comfortable with Penner. The man’s like a big squishy beanbag chair.
*Penner’s fat!
by Passive Voice on Jan 26, 2012 2:56 PM PST up reply actions
motherfucking asterisks making footnotation confusing.
by Passive Voice on Jan 26, 2012 2:58 PM PST up reply actions
I’d take a risk on Penner.
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by Sean Zandberg on Jan 26, 2012 3:40 PM PST up reply actions
good. Cuz, you can almost get him for free at this point.
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by Vancouverguy on Jan 26, 2012 3:41 PM PST up reply actions
do we trade with the Kings?
I would if he was super cheap, but I would rather have Ruutu instead ( Tuomo )
Ruutu for Schroeder and a 2nd, maybe someone way down the list thrown in.
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Hey! Let’s get Willie Mitchell back!
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by Sean Zandberg on Jan 26, 2012 3:54 PM PST up reply actions
can we get him back for nothing next year though?
I have thought about that too though Sean. Simpatico…
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nah man, let’s take him for a Cup run!
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by Sean Zandberg on Jan 26, 2012 6:28 PM PST up reply actions
supposedly the Canucks have some "window"
I don’t get it.
The Wings are the template, they are the best of any team that follows that model, and the raison the fucking etre of the whole template is being good all the time, not for 3-4 years.
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yeah, but without Schneider
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by Sean Zandberg on Jan 26, 2012 8:58 PM PST up reply actions
Isn’t he a solid part of the team? To me, Penner is a spare part for the Kings… Mitchell, is not,
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by Vancouverguy on Jan 26, 2012 9:42 PM PST up reply actions
I agree. Penner has been pretty much useless for a season and a half. His contract makes his value minimal.
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by Vancouverguy on Jan 26, 2012 9:41 PM PST up reply actions
GMMG might have to fight Burkie for "Pancakes" if he was on the market again...
Wouldn’t be the 1st time he has threatened to fight another GM over him.
I just don’t know what team is stupid enough to take on Ballard’s contract, I think we are stuck with that one for now.
Seeing Burke smacked and swallowing his snuff and seeing his face get even redder- ahh, one can only dream.
by Captain Ahab on Jan 26, 2012 3:24 PM PST up reply actions
Booth-Hodgson-Hansen....
NICE…………….
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HEADS UP
Live blogging the Draft tonight… post goes live at 4:30. Join me so we can all make fun of #ThoseFuckersAtTSN, won’t you?
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uh what?
i’m already prepping an open thread for on here….
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by Sean Zandberg on Jan 26, 2012 3:25 PM PST up reply actions
ugh
I should have checked first… never mind
I will delete it.
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done. sorry.
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no problem
i’ve been busy, so the closest thing i’ve done to preparing it is watching vids on youtube and drafting on my playbook.
just connected my playbook to the computer, so that i can move all my stuff into a new story.
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okay, it’s ready and scheduled for 4:30.
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welllllllll
after perusing all the wonderful ideas, this thread should just be sent to the Phx war room where the guys and their scouts will be ( I wonder what that Dice and Ice package went for, some guy got to be an ass’t GM for a day and basically be there in the room…I think they were hoping it started at 50K )…here’s mine.
You send ( and Canucklehead is about there with me, so he can have the hoody if it is a first thing.
But if its an exact thing, Raymond, Ballard ( has to be him for the $$$ to work right ) and our 1st for Bobby Ryan.
If I get the two fer throw in Sauve and get back Parros in the package to assuage the knuckleheads!
;-)
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Lance Hornby of The Toronto Sun writes that Leafs GM Brian Burke’s trade focus will be more about ‘Decoration not detonation’ and suggests that defenceman Luke Schenn can be a prime trade candidate after the team signed John-Michael Liles to a four-year, $15 million US contract extension.
While Francois Gagnon wrote in La Presse on Tuesday that P.K. Subban could be a good trade component to bring in that elite centre that the Montreal Canadiens need, there doesn’t seem to be any indication that the young blueliner is being shopped.
TSN Hockey Insider Pierre LeBrun tweeted on Wednesday that none of the GMs he spoke to had heard Subban’s name as being available.
TSN Scout Craig Button also found the speculation tough to believe, saying 29 other teams would be on the phone if he was being shopped.
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Embrace The Hate
would go nuclear if the Canucks traded for Subban. The Bruins would hate the Canucks even more, and then we’d get racist tweets hurled our way in addition to the usual sexist nonsense. So naturally I am all for this. Embrace it.
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by Kent Basky on Jan 26, 2012 4:08 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
speaking of us vs bruins
the TSN preshow just suggested that one option to make the weekend more interesting is if they ended up with Chara picking all the Leafs and Bruins, and Alfredsson picking all the Sens and Nucks.
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off topic interesting tweet...
legalmindedpunk Cameron Collins
I wish I could say more, but I cannot believe how close we are to new NHL/NBA franchises in Seattle! Cautiously optimistic.
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BAHAHA
adamjahns Adam Jahns
? to Chara:“You said you didn’t want all right wingers on your team. Does this mean you won’t pick Tim Thomas?” Chara:(No answer)#NHLallstar
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bruce_arthur Bruce Arthur
Really, he just asked Zdeno Chara that. Chara laughed; Joffrey Lupul REALLY laughed; the room laughed; the NHL spokesman said, “Thank you.”
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graphic description of this event
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jan 26, 2012 9:08 PM PST up reply actions
Raymond and Schroeder for Morrow.
Morrow gives us all the qualities we need for our forward group. Still thinking about how to shore up the dmen….
by ORD Nucklehead on Jan 26, 2012 4:13 PM PST via mobile reply actions
hint
he’s big and swedish and mike wouldn’t even need to make a second phone call
by Passive Voice on Jan 26, 2012 4:20 PM PST up reply actions
Hedman! Hedman! Hedman!
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by Sean Zandberg on Jan 26, 2012 4:29 PM PST up reply actions
If I was the Lightning..
I’d ask for Kesler, as a starting point, or I’ll hang up. Or some sort of mega package which would allow me to turn around and go get Weber/Suter. That’s pretty much the only way I will let go of Hedman, at this point.
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by Vancouverguy on Jan 26, 2012 9:44 PM PST up reply actions
Oh way to kill my rosterboner.
But yeah, the Lightning would need something massive in return as Hedman is the DUDE on D.
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by Sean Zandberg on Jan 26, 2012 11:01 PM PST up reply actions
I hate homework
to the point that I’m actually watching Claude Jirux eat an overpriced grilled cheese sandwich.
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by eightyseven on Jan 26, 2012 4:46 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Does anyone else hate the fact
that the Bruins have, like, 13 Million to spend on the deadline?
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hay
is TSN streaming Chara and Alfie picking kickball teams?
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No
:(((
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
ugh
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I found an NBC one
Suffice it to say that it sucks. Damn you, Roenick.
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Spare parts
is all we are going to get this year. A bit of jam on the fourth line can be obtained for next to nothing and I suspect the high price that GMs paid in the summer will make “big RH D men” upgrades tough sells. I’m looking forward to a Kessel-type deal in the summer where we get a top pick for Schneider (i.e. third overall?). Make it happen GMMG. Also, Salo is playing for us next year….
I really think we need a top 4 guy to play D
If we are looking at potential sellers, anyone down with Tyler Myers? I hear he’s not too bad at hockey, his contract is cap friendly, at least this year, and then when it escalates Salo will retire (because we will win the cup, duh) and maybe we can move someone like Raymond too?
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if he is on the market?
hell yes
Salo is going no where….this is the year to #WinItForSami
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well I was talking about
next year
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And
I don’t know if Myers is on the market, but of all the teams willing to blow it up, Buffalo should be one of them. Whether or not they’d be willing to trade a cornerstone piece of their team who’s what, 20? is a different story, but I figure why not throw it out there!
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For example we move
Raymond + Sulzer + 1st for Myers +2nd and that gives us…
FORWARDS
Daniel Sedin ($6.100m) / Henrik Sedin ($6.100m) / Alexandre Burrows ($2.000m)
David Booth ($4.250m) / Ryan Kesler ($5.000m) / Chris Higgins ($1.900m)
Mike Duco ($0.550m) / Cody Hodgson ($1.666m) / Jannik Hansen ($1.350m)
Dale Weise ($0.605m) / Manny Malhotra ($2.500m) / Maxim Lapierre ($1.000m)
Andrew Ebbett ($0.525m)
DEFENSEMEN
Kevin Bieksa ($4.600m) / Dan Hamhuis ($4.500m)
Sami Salo ($2.000m) / Alexander Edler ($3.250m)
Tyler Myers ($1.300m) / Keith Ballard ($4.200m)
Aaron Rome ($0.750m) / Andrew Alberts ($1.225m)
GOALTENDERS
Roberto Luongo ($5.333m) / Cory Schneider ($0.900m)
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i do love your optimism :)
and a second?
by Passive Voice on Jan 26, 2012 4:58 PM PST up reply actions
yeah good point
scratch the pick coming back.
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yeah
kinda think the second would not be tossed in there.
Buffalo might be a player more than we think at the deadline this year.
The owner was on that 7 gamer that went, I think it was,1-6.
Can’t be too pleased with his purchases this year!
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I think Myers isn't the most far-fetched thing out there
though not very likely either haha
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by the by
next year is even more manageable – supposedly a buyout/amnesty window opens up, so the Canucks can likely buyout Ballard and either let him walk or sign him to a more reasonable salary. So even though Myers’ contract goes up by 4 million, we save 4 right there. Not to mention that the Cap changes (hopefully up) and we are looking not so bad…
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next year is even more manageable – supposedly a buyout/amnesty window opens up, so the Canucks can likely buyout Ballard and either let him walk or sign him to a more reasonable salary.
Woa, say what??
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by Sean Zandberg on Jan 26, 2012 6:31 PM PST up reply actions
do you mean about the buyout?
Yeah, there’s been talk that each team will be allowed to buy out one contract without salary cap consequences when the new CBA is signed.
Im just saying, keeping Myers new salary won’t be all that hard, since it’s about 5.5 and room will open up.
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holy hell….I like that concept
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by Sean Zandberg on Jan 26, 2012 8:59 PM PST up reply actions
Duco on the third line?
Its raining on my face
bad rain
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jan 26, 2012 9:11 PM PST up reply actions
schroeder?
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Put
Jean-Luc Picard on that line.
The Borg won’t fuck with us anymore, that’s for sure.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jan 26, 2012 9:33 PM PST up reply actions
How did you know
I was watching TNG right now?
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That's me
on some psychic shit.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jan 28, 2012 2:13 PM PST up reply actions
I’m down. Tyler Myers is going to cost an arm and a leg again though. I don’t think Buffalo would consider moving him so soon after giving him that extension….
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by Vancouverguy on Jan 26, 2012 9:45 PM PST up reply actions
you never know
they didn’t expect to be bottom feeding while Ryan Miller cries himself to sleep every night either.
That being said, yeah, I really don’t see him getting moved given his age and potential. He would be the cornerstone of a rebuild. Just rosterbatin’ is all…
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Tyler Myers isn’t going anywhere, nor is Victor Hedman; both have signed long-term deals which would indicate that they are the cornerstones of their respective franchise.
Raymond, Ballard, Schroeder and a first round pick for Shea Weber.
Nashville gets some offense and a defenceman to replace Weber, we get a stud on the blueline.
Weber-Edler
Bieksa-Hamhuis
Salo-Rome/Alberts
Tanev waiting in the wings for when Salo retires.
make no mistake
Weber is right up there with Parise or Ryan for me if they do something extravagant .
I know that is a fair package too, but Detroit and Lidstrom retiring is a possible opponent for his services.
Maybe you end up upgrading Schroeder to…say…Sauve.
You know the Preds love defensemen! OK. Rodin then.
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Maybe you end up upgrading Schroeder to…say…Sauve.
or just put them both in. basically they can take anything we own not in the nhl.
by Passive Voice on Jan 26, 2012 8:03 PM PST up reply actions
no way that's going to be enough
philly, for one, will throw them a far superior offer
something like two of Van Rymsdyk / Schenn / Voracek / Read/ Couterier / 1st round pick + one of Mezsaros or Corburn
by Beantown Canuck on Jan 26, 2012 8:03 PM PST up reply actions
the player
would probably really want to play at “home” is what gets Canuck fans excited. It the GM said, " I have to trade you", you would think he might at least try to make it amiable and let him go where he wants.
Mind you, if he made that “known”, it would not make a lot of teams want to give up the store knowing that they only have one year of RFA to convince him to stay.
Rosterbation rationalizing is the best rationalizing!
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Tyler Myers isn’t going anywhere, nor is Victor Hedman; both have signed long-term deals which would indicate that they are the cornerstones of their respective franchise.
Cockblocker!
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by Sean Zandberg on Jan 26, 2012 9:00 PM PST up reply actions
would love to see weber in blue and green
Alex Burrows is a nice guy...He opens doors.
3 stage trade at deadline
1st trade: Ballard is sent to either Washington or Philly for a 2nd and 3rd – Goal to shed wages and gain chips for the next trades
2nd Trade: Schneider + May Ray + Connauton and 2nd or 3rd for Adam Larsson + Zach Parise
Larsson is the correct side for Edler and Parise pushes Higgins down to make the “Moen” trade redundant
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Ignore the 3rd stage
I was going to go after Moen but realized there is no point
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Heh, I don’t think anyone’s touching Larsson.
by Passive Voice on Jan 26, 2012 8:16 PM PST up reply actions
beat me to it
Larsson is probably untouchable.
That package might get Parise though, and then you already did the Ballard trade with someone else to make the $$$ work.
If we give up Schneids, Parise better come with the understanding of signing long term
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I would never give up Schneids for Parise but for Larsson I would – I think the 2 players are on par with each other for their positions. What makes it really work is the shedding of contract for MayRay + Connauton + Draft picks. Lets them rebuild with a potential 20 goal QB dman
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I don’t even know if Schneids/May-Ray/K-Conn is enough for Parise.. and Larsson is worth WAY more than him, given his UFA status.
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by Vancouverguy on Jan 26, 2012 9:47 PM PST up reply actions
Ya the Bulis Boyz said the same
But truthfully how many goalies of Schneider’s calibre are out there? 1 maybe 2 ? We actually would trade ours for some of their talent + the Devils are broke they need to move Parise.
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disagree. goalies come out of nowhere all the time
stud norris-calibre d-men are maybe 5-10 a generation
by Beantown Canuck on Jan 26, 2012 8:41 PM PST up reply actions
While I will give you the Goalies come out of nowhere all the time. Seldom do they last – there pedigree just isn’t the same otherwise we would seem more Miller, Brodeur, Luongo, Roy ETC.
I also think the recent press on Connauton shows the package isnt an under value for Larsson and Parise.
Now GMMG is against the rentals (Parise) but I think he could do it just to trade him after the playoffs are over for a 2nd round pick in the this year and adds that to the draft bank
OR
GMMG works with Nashville to sign Parise to a contract that he then trades with Nashville for Webber…
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my god
I want it
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jan 26, 2012 9:12 PM PST up reply actions
Another plan for Raymond and Ballard
Trade them for Iginla. Some shuffling might have to be done to squeak him under the cap, but how beautiful would he look in green and blue scoring goals and punching people in the face for the Stanley cup.
Iggy and the Twins
is a rosterbation fantasy that I always discount because of the teams involved.
Jarome gets to pick because he has the no trade….I would think the Nucks are on his list, but would a long time Flames fave and captain do that?
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dont get me wrong
i would love love love it…but…well, you know.
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he wouldn’t dare…
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by Sean Zandberg on Jan 26, 2012 9:02 PM PST up reply actions
Brendan Morrow!
I’d love Morrow. the 4M next season kills my cap planning, but he’s probably the best fit for that top-6/top9 forward with grit.
I would think Dallas would like CoHo back though, or perhaps MayRay +Tanev + Schroeder, while they throw in an older Dman.
Here’s my pick: (if Dallas falls out of contention for the playoffs)
Dallas:
Morrow + Fistric
Vancouver:
Tanev, Schroeder, MayRay +3rd?
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you would give up Tanev AND Schroeder for Morrow?
really?
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thats a good trade!
I’d like to keep Tanev, but Fistric is a hammer!
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I’m not sure that’s enough in return for Dallas though, Dan.
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by Sean Zandberg on Jan 26, 2012 10:51 PM PST up reply actions
If I’m Nieuwendyk I demand Schneider, Schroeder and a 3rd.
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by Sean Zandberg on Jan 26, 2012 10:53 PM PST up reply actions
they have a pretty boss goalie
I would guess they would perk their ears up at Tanev though
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Yeah, I suppose. But I wouldn’t say yes to your offer if I was Joe. Just sayin. But…hell yeah, I would love it if Dallas accepted the offer you proposed. Big fan of Fistric too.
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by Sean Zandberg on Jan 26, 2012 11:04 PM PST up reply actions
And Morrow of course!
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by Sean Zandberg on Jan 26, 2012 11:04 PM PST up reply actions
It kills me to lose both Schroeder and tanev. But if we can’t find a spot for CoHo, how are we going to fit Schroeder into the roster? For all intents and purposes, it was said he had a decent training camp and should fight for a roster spot next season. Unless you move him into third line wing, he isn’t going to fit in the lineup at all.
Morrow has more intrinsic worth to the Stars because he’s their captain, so you’re bound to have to overpay.
And Seanberg, I think they would be quite content with Lehtonen. That guys a stud, and Bachman played well in his stint as well. We know about the Stars financial issues, so they might be less adverse to trading Morrow and his 4M than we think.
And I would like to apologize if I seem like a dick for shooting down the other proposals up there. I hope no one takes it too seriously. I’m certainly open to critique and suggestions for my own proposal.
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by Vancouverguy on Jan 26, 2012 11:31 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
I agree that they are content with Lehtonen. So I can’t include him in the deal.
But you included Fistric with Morrow…..so I just think that we would have to ante up more than Tanev, Schroeder and a 3rd.
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by Sean Zandberg on Jan 26, 2012 11:35 PM PST up reply actions
And Mayray, who should be affordable to the Stars even if he hits free agency. Certainly cheaper than Morrow.
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by Vancouverguy on Jan 26, 2012 11:36 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
Another thing to consider,
They have lots of rugged physical d-man already. (Robidas, Daley, Fistric) but only Goligoski as a true puck mover. (Souray is a free agent, next season). Tanev is cheap and complements their Ds.
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by Vancouverguy on Jan 26, 2012 11:35 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
If there's one thing this thread has taught me
it’s that I absolutely hate rosterbation threads. The futility of it…gah….
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it’s not futile. It’s fun. I think this has been a successful rosterbation thread with no angst. I am happy about that. Plus I love hearing other people’s ideas.
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by Sean Zandberg on Jan 26, 2012 11:38 PM PST up reply actions
Plus… I’m an NHL 12 addict, which further adds to my affinity for public rosterbation.
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by Vancouverguy on Jan 26, 2012 11:39 PM PST via Android app up reply actions 1 recs
haha! Same here!
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by Sean Zandberg on Jan 26, 2012 11:40 PM PST up reply actions
bah
BAH I SAY! :)
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by Twitchy2010 on Jan 26, 2012 11:47 PM PST up reply actions
what did you vote in the poll, Twitchy?
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by Sean Zandberg on Jan 26, 2012 11:49 PM PST up reply actions
i voted for draft picks
then read the thread and got progressively more frustrated with the ridiculous trades bandied about, including my own entry which was about 22% serious. Ultimately that frustration led to this particular thread in the conversation.
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I think I have done GM mode 6 times so far. Right now I am in my 3rd year as the Panthers’ GM
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by Sean Zandberg on Jan 27, 2012 12:39 AM PST up reply actions
I’ve done Rangers, philly, Florida, Canucks (multiple times), and Ottawa. I just sim most seasons.
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I’ve done Rangers, philly, Florida, Canucks (multiple times), and Ottawa. I just sim most seasons.
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by Vancouverguy on Jan 27, 2012 6:51 AM PST via Android app up reply actions
Oh yeah, I sim the seasons too. Not the 2nd half of the playoffs though, if the team gets there.
Daniel Sedin is a dick. 3 years from now he commands over $10 million per season. Hank commands $6.5 million. I flogged Dank to free agency and traded Hank for Duchene.
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by Sean Zandberg on Jan 27, 2012 10:11 AM PST up reply actions
Duchene is amazing, given his price. Dank’s just a little bitch.
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by Vancouverguy on Jan 27, 2012 11:09 AM PST up reply actions
Hah! I live for this. This is my favorite time of the season, because it’s always so interesting. I can spend hours trying to understand the decision making behind the moves.
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by Vancouverguy on Jan 26, 2012 11:39 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
Let's get Iginla.
I’d love to win a cup with him on the team to rub it in Calgary’s face and to make them all lose their minds over the possibility of cheering for the Canucks because Iginla’s on the team. Plus, I feel it would be nice of the Canucks to “rescue” him from Calgary, because, despite being a Flame, I’ve always thought Iggy was a pretty solid dude and a fantastic player to boot.
I would definitely not be opposed to Iggy.
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by Sean Zandberg on Jan 27, 2012 12:39 AM PST up reply actions
Probably Burke
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by Semi_Colon on Jan 27, 2012 4:57 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Ryan Parent and Vancouver’s 2nd round pick in 2012 for Tony Lydman.
Keith Ballard to St Louis for Jani Hakanpaa and Jonas Junland
Andrew Alberts and Byron Bitz for Travis Moen and Hal Gill
Aaron Volpatti and Dale Weiss for Ben Eager
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by GelatinousMutantCoconut on Jan 27, 2012 5:24 AM PST reply actions
Sedin-Sedin-Burrows
Booth-Kesler-Higgins
Raymond-Hodgson-Hansen
Lapierre-Malhotra-Moen/Eager
Hamhuis-Bieksa
Edler-Lydman
Salo-Gill
Rome-Sulzer
Luongo
Schneider
Point of all of the trades is to add depth, grit and play-off experience. Lydman is a solid defenseman akin to Sami Salo, was a piece of the 2004 Calgary Flames underdog team that went to the Cup Final, as well as back-back Conference Finalist Buffalo Sabre teams in 2006 and 2007. .
Moen won a Stanley Cup with Anaheim in 2007and was part of Montreal’s surprising defensive run to the Conference Final in 2010.
Eager won a Stanley Cup with Chicago in 2010, and went to the Conference Final with San Jose in 2011. He was also the “victim” of the Canucks Flasher’s boobies.
Gill won a Stanley Cup with Pittsburgh in 2009 and was also part of Montreal’s surprising shutdown run to the Conference Finals in 2010.
Hakanpaa and Junland are basically prospect depth moves. I can’t see a lot of interest in Ballard, but St Louis has been rumoured to like him, and they do need defensive depth. Hakanpaa had an excellent showing at the WJC this year, playing physical and shutting down the opposition. Junland is getting old for a prospect, but still has potential as a late-blooming, bottom-pairing puck mover. Plus, this deal sabotages St Louis play-off run. Because, well, Ballard isn’t very good (but apparently they don’t know that)
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by GelatinousMutantCoconut on Jan 27, 2012 5:34 AM PST up reply actions
I like how you’d take Eager. So would I. I was eyeing Lydman too
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by Sean Zandberg on Jan 27, 2012 10:12 AM PST up reply actions
1) Don’t think I mind this one, although Lydman is a left shot, which means he doesn’t help out Edler as much as we’d like. But that would be pretty cheap.
2) Not sure if STL would take this, but we’d need to have something more than Lydman coming back (although you do cover that with number 3).
3) I doubt that’s enough for MTL. 2 guys who can’t crack our lineup for 2 important pieces in theirs.
4) If the Canucks ever acquire Ben Eager, I might have to find a new team.
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It seems like an underpayment to Montreal, I agree. But remember, it is Pierre Gauthier ( for now), and Alberts and Bitz would be able to crack Montreal’s line-up. They are essentially younger versions of the two upcoming UFA’s that Montreal is giving up, only not as good, but at least signed for next season. For Moen and Gill, I’d be willing to up the offer to a degree.
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by GelatinousMutantCoconut on Jan 27, 2012 7:12 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah, I see that. I just think you’d need to add something to a 7th d-man and a guy who has been hurt all year. Some sort of good prospect or top pick.
Clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose.
fair enough.
I’m down with that…though nothing major. Maybe a guy like Bill Sweat? those Canadiens like their Americans :)
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by GelatinousMutantCoconut on Jan 27, 2012 7:52 AM PST up reply actions
Let's throw a hail mary.
Since I don’t think a actual trade will happen, I’m going for it.
Weber for Ballard and Alberts and as many picks as nashville wants.
BONZAI!!!
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by Sean Zandberg on Jan 27, 2012 10:13 AM PST up reply actions
Talking about a Hail Mary
Just spit balling as they say but how about something totally off the wall but a real win/win for both teams like:
Ryan Kessler and Keith Ballard for Vinnie Lecavalier and Marc-Andre Bergeron from Tampa Bay?
Big Vinnie has a cap hit of $7.27 mil. and MA Bergeron has a $1.0 cap hit.
Ryan Kessler comes with a $5.0 cap hit and Ballard’s is $4.2.
The Canucks would be dumping $9.2 mil for their two and taking on $8.27 mil leaving them with a bit extra for whatever.
Kessler is locked up until the end of the 2015/16 season and Ballard until the end of 2014/15.
Lecavalier is on board until 2020 and Bergeron until 2012/13.
While Kessler is one of my all time favourites and Ballard may be just coming into his own Vinnie is the big goal scoring center with a bit of a mean streak that every team wants/needs and Marc-andre is having a breakout season with 24 points in 42 games and is a plus 8 on a poor defensive team.
I’d like to go on the record to say I, peacefully and respectfully, completely disagree with what you’ve said. So far, this trade proposal takes the cake in terms of just the pure absurdity of it all.
V. Lecavalier is
the big, especially at the ridiculous price of 7+M until 2020. He hasn’t put up a single 70point season since 2007, and also hasn’t scored more than 30 goals in that time. At worse, Kesler puts up equal/better production, with a lesser caphit, and for shorter term, and plays more effective minutes, and also PK time.goal scoringcenter with a bit of a mean streak thatevery team wantsthe Lightning has been desperately trying to get rid of
Bergeron is enjoying a breakout season, no doubt, and it seems he’s capable of putting up 40pt seasons, from previous history. But if we go solely by that, so is Ballard. The cap savings of 1M/ season isn’t close to making the talent decrease for the team worthwhile.
The only way I would consider sending Kesler to the Lightning, is if one of Stamkos or Hedman is coming back the other way.
I just can’t see anyone taking a chance at Vinny at this point. The contract isn’t Gomez or Redden bad, but it’s up there.
Perhaps you can amend the trade to Kesler/Ballard for Hedman and Malone? Even now, I don’t know if I’ll do this, but at least I won’t reject it immediately.
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by Vancouverguy on Jan 27, 2012 11:26 AM PST up reply actions
GMMG
is not trading his “core” do everything superstar. At most, he is looking for one more scorer ( Ryan?) to play with him.
Kes’ is probably as untouchable as they come.
Might as well propose trading the Twins. ( All 3 have pretty ironclad full no trades as well…)
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I don’t really see the point of talking about a Sedin or Kesler trade. There is absolutely zero chance any of them are traded.
Clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose.
Well, everyone has their own style of rosterbation techniques. Ahab’s just happens to be quite different that the others’!
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by Sean Zandberg on Jan 27, 2012 12:59 PM PST up reply actions
Besides, GMMG will not get a shot at acquiring Lecavalier’s ridiculous contract and mediocre ability as Gauthier in Montreal is waiting until the halfway through overtime in some upcoming game to rip Carey Price off the ice, to tell him that he’s been traded along with Subban and the team’s 2012 first-round lottery pick for Lecavalier.
by Underachiever11 on Jan 27, 2012 3:48 PM PST up reply actions
To be fair
The score here is overwhelmingly Raymond and Ballard for something good.
Parise got less love than I thought he would ( NJ is in worse shape financially then Preds, who want to spend )….but acquiring Lecavalier…but Ryan Kesler ( one ’s" ;-) is too much unless you are a rosterbating Bolts fan. Bergeron could have been gotten for nothing a year or two ago, and is a smaller Ehrhoff light anyhow.
So the Capt is a Bolts fan! (JK!)
Oh, and Ballard is too much better than Bergeron for that trade to be fair.
Ballard and Raymond + a pick and/or a young prospect…might be more there if you wanted to take on another long term deal.
If you are a team that views them as a competitive advantage ( cost certainty in an expanding market )..then…maybe.
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I don’t know who’s out there at the moment, but from where I sit our two biggest requirements are a top-4 RIGHT-side D and to keep Schneids through the playoffs.
Same here
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by Sean Zandberg on Jan 27, 2012 12:59 PM PST up reply actions
Even though I’ll entertain the Schneider dangling mildly because….the vast majority of the time teams ride one goalie to the Finals. Of course, in Vancouver, the faith in Luongo to be that man dwindles and he most likely responds better with a #1 goalie backing him up..keeping the pressure on him to not be replaced
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by Sean Zandberg on Jan 27, 2012 1:01 PM PST up reply actions
PREDS A PORTER
I just used the Trade Machine from CapGeek and came up with a tidy transaction that I think would be a dream come true.
Ballard and Raymond – although I’d be sad to see him go – for RFA Shea Weber. We’d end up SUPERTIGHT to the cap (like, $10K tight) but we’d see some relief from that when you factor in the Long Term Injured Reserve ($250K). Weber may even take a hometown discount in his next contract with the Nucks.
That lets the Preds re-sign Suter without incident, and still have $10 million in cap space to upgrade around Rinne.
The problem with this trade is that someone else would have to go to free up more cap space, and it would leave our depth affected. Feels like it spells the end of Schneids next season, but maybe he leaves with a Stanley Cup ring…
Tidy yes, but an underachieving, undersized spare part of a forward and a similarly equipped defenseman are not going to get Webber from a conference rival. Realistically I think the Canucks would have to add a First and a real prospect to the offer just to get into the conversation
by Underachiever11 on Jan 27, 2012 3:53 PM PST up reply actions
some news for your rosterbation fantasies
apparently, Suter just announced he has no intention of signing with the Preds before the deadline.
Doesn’t mean he has no intention of signing with them in free agency this summer, just that he doesn’t plan to sign before the deadline. Could make the Preds think he will be hard to sign this summer and might make them consider a trade before the deadline though…
Go Canucks Go!
Rosterbation aside
GMMG isn’t really known for his big bold moves so realistically I expect the Canucks to acquire a forward and dman we’ve barely heard of but has more upside than us civilians can understand.
quite possible, actually
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by Sean Zandberg on Jan 27, 2012 6:36 PM PST up reply actions
That killed my rosterboner pretty quick.
I still have hopes for Morrow and your hoodie though.
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by Vancouverguy on Jan 27, 2012 6:45 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
notice how Gillis makes his biggest trades outta nowhere rather than at the trade deadline for example
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by Sean Zandberg on Jan 28, 2012 2:57 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah, and we’re talking about stars of the game but he hasn’t brought one single star to this team.
by Canuckelhead on Jan 28, 2012 8:00 AM PST up reply actions
We already have all of our stars!
yay!
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notafullcolon CS: Well obviously I meant we were snorting blow off hookers at the time of the goal
Too many egos in the lockerroom is counter productive
while I can’t think of any stars we have which are way over the top, still, at some point you have too many.
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notafullcolon CS: Well obviously I meant we were snorting blow off hookers at the time of the goal
Btw
I didn’t mean that as a criticism. GM’s that bring in stars at the deadline often disrupt the balance of the team.
by Canuckelhead on Jan 28, 2012 8:20 AM PST up reply actions
this
I think he will either do nothing or this, someone cheap and would “work” but no major superstars
Although, I would girlsquee down the block if we got Weber, just don’t think it’s remotely possible, also GMMG doesn’t seem like the guy to go for the obvious “throw mad money at a superstar.”
But something needs to be done about the D: Last night’s performance was shit
Alex Burrows is a nice guy...He opens doors.
I really enjoy reading the articles and comments on this board, I usually like to spectate…. but my temptations overcame me, looks like I can’t resist a good circle jerk rosterbation
Gil for Ballard…. We need a tough Dman like Gil and his contract expires next year. A big hole for Montreal is on the PP, Ballard has the skills to help Montreal in this department and his contract wouldn’t be close to the worst that Montreal has acquired. Both players are good enough to make a difference on their new teams.
Moen for Raymond… I love Raymond, but Hansen has said that he changes his game to match his linemates, he has been getting points but not playing the “rough” game that I love to see out of him. With Moen on his line, he would revert back to his ‘badger’ game and with Coho anchoring the line, they should still put up the points. Boston’s 3rd line shows how effective this can be…
For the playoffs, the way we sit… we attack the opposition with speek/skill (1st) than hit them with power/drive (Amex) and speed/skill again (3rd). This obviously works, but I think it’s much tougher for the opposition and they will tire out a lot easier if we can attack them with a speed/skill line followed by two solid lines of power/drive (all 3 lines producing points…obviously).
By the 3rd period, our opponent will be burnt out (tired and bruised) if they have to deal with 2 hitting lines and a skill line as opposed to 2 skill lines and 1 hitting line.
I’d love this kind of trade with Carolina too… Gleason & Ruutu but i think Gleasons asking price is gonna be too much. Too many teams want him and will be willing to overpay, Carolina knows this.
Is Con on the trading block? Seems a little coincidental that there’s so much written about him heading into the deadline (well, there is also not much to write about with the break hehe)… are the Canuck’s pundits at work?
One last trade, IF Montreal is willing to deal with PK… Moen and PK for Raymond, Ballard, Con(or Schroeder) + 2nd.
If Connaughton is as good as he's being trumped up
I’d rather we don’t deal him. Could be a Mike Green like stud, but his development within the Canucks organization would mean he’s better defensively – and I’d hate to deal that away.
Not sure I’m wild about Ballard for Hal Gill, given that he would lose a downhill footrace to mollasses in freezing temperatures; salary cap hit is awful, but I like what Ballard brings more than Gill.
I like the idea of bumping up the size on L3, you are totally right, Hansen excells when he’s the honey badger.
<3 Boobies!
notafullcolon CS: Well obviously I meant we were snorting blow off hookers at the time of the goal
you people who call hansen the honey badger
do know that that’s what bostonians call marchand, right? I’d like to propose that we no longer associate the great dane with the great douche.
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by Twitchy2010 on Jan 28, 2012 10:30 AM PST up reply actions
damnit
they stole a pretty awesome nickname.
I don’t think Boston should call Marchand the honey badger. Not only does he need to not give a shit, but he also has to be bad-ass. Marchand is just an ass, thus he doesn’t qualify.
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notafullcolon CS: Well obviously I meant we were snorting blow off hookers at the time of the goal
I was wondering why there was so much news on Conn recently?
It does look like he could be a stud, but I don’t think he will bring the “umph” that PK does. I have read a lot about PK and the troubles he’s had in Montreal, but I think a team like Van would tame him to become the potential player that he could be. He would be a stud alongside Edler and Edler may learn to use the body more being paired with PK, if he did, this would make a scary pairing for any team.
I’d be willing to sacrifice Con for PK….
I can’t disagree with your thoughts on Hal and Ballard…. I actually like Ballard, I think he is better Dman than Hal, but we won’t see that skill until AV puts him in the proper situation (side, pairings, lines, pp). Hal might be slower, but his size, toughness and experience can make me look past his lack of skill and speed. The way that Ballard is being used now, I think that Hal would help this team more than Ballard could…. plus we would get rid of his contract.
Regarding Raymond, I love the guy too and he’s worked hard to come back from his injury and impressed me. I won’t complain if he doesn’t get traded (I might shed a few tears due to losing my hoodie), but if we could find a similar player with more grit and size… we would be better off. Raymond is producing, but I think that if Moen was paired with Coho and Hansen… Moen’s totals will be similar at the least.
its too bad that new jersey and ottawa are doing well this season, and very unlikely to trade us the parts that we need.
I am looking at david clarkson or chris neil to be that rough and tough 3rd liner that can play. I would be willing to give up mason raymond for either player at this point.
to address our D need, i would be looking at robidas from dallas, or niskanen from pittsburgh. Grossman would be ideal, but they wont be trading him…
raymond straight up for either robidas or niskanen. Both are RHD!!! ZOMG! and can compliment edler perfectly.
next i would package ballard + 1st for shane doan.
package of prospect + 3rd rd pick for moen
sedin sedin burrows
higgins kesler booth
doan hodsgon hansen
malholtra lapierre weise/moen
bieksa hamhuis
edler niskanen or robidas
salo tanev/rome/alberts
luongo schneider
annnnd we still have a 2nd round pick in this years draft
ugh
remember how butt-awful Neil was the game where we whupped Ottawa?
Do not want.
by Beantown Canuck on Jan 29, 2012 11:53 AM PST up reply actions
I’d take Neil. I’ve seen more good from him than bad. And when you put him into an environment like Vancouver has…you gotta think he would thrive and tone it down
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by Sean Zandberg on Jan 30, 2012 11:38 AM PST up reply actions
I'd second that.
Won’t happen though. Neil loves Ottawa and Ottawa loves Neil.
He was really the only player that showed up in the first period though despite some stupid penalties he took later.
he was terrible
don’t buy into the CBC narrative
he really hurt his time that night!
by Beantown Canuck on Jan 31, 2012 1:03 PM PST up reply actions
gotta agree with Bean AND Sean
He would probably tone it down, but he definitely hurt his team that night, CBC fellating of him aside.
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Just a couple minor-ish moves...
Raymond and Sulzer for Grossman and a 2nd round pick. Adds some size and grit on D, plus we need more Swedes. Raymond could be replaced short-term by the next trade and he’ll love the cowboy lifestyle in Texas. We can go to the farm or free agency for a forward in the off-season.
Ballard for Moen, Gill and a pick/prospect. Adds strong PKers and some size/grit and Cup-winning experience. I think Ballard is expendable with guys like Tanev and Connauton on their way up soon. They can maybe keep Grossman around too for cheaper.
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It’s my belief that the Canucks are lacking two components to compete for the Cup. We need a big forward for line 3-4 who has good speed and enough weight that when he connects he leaves an imprint on the opposing teams defensemen. We want opponents who want to move the pucks with less time to make a good break out, stop them in their own end rather than allow them momentum, hit ‘em hard in their own end, it takes it’s toll in a series. Secondly although we have Alberts to clear the crease specifically on the PK we need another big crease clearing defenseman. It’s to easy right now to work around AA when teams are at home on the PP.
Who ever they pick up needs character and speed
ballard and a draft pick
for dennis wideman
ok let me fix this
Wasington
Wideman + 3rd round pick
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Ballard + Mayray + 4th round pick
by Tomi Rosenthal on Jan 30, 2012 4:21 PM PST up reply actions
I forsee that Keith Ballard will be sent to the Montreal Canadiens for Hal Gill and Travis Moen.
Elsewhere in Western Canada, the Edmonton Oilers will trade Ales Hemsky and Linus Omark for a mid-first round pick. But it will be at the draft that they will be most active, making blockbuster deals for Ryan Getzlaf and Shea Weber,. sacrificing much youth and depth in the process.
Haha, aside from my adding a pick/prospect, I said the same thing yesterday (a few posts up). You are not first, sir.
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Ahh. My bad. This I did not foresee...
But to be fair, I said to “remember where you heard them first” . I never claimed that I was the first! But I assure you that my visions are independent of yours. I did not read your comment!
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by GelatinousMutantCoconut on Jan 30, 2012 8:07 PM PST up reply actions
Poop. I posted under my alter-ego's screen name...
…so much for the air of mystery!
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by GelatinousMutantCoconut on Jan 30, 2012 8:09 PM PST up reply actions
YOU ARE ALL GETTING SLEEPY! VERY VERY SLEEPY!
YOU HAVE SEEN NOTHING….READ NOTHING…YOU DID NOT EVEN GET UP THIS MORNING!
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by GelatinousMutantCoconut on Jan 30, 2012 8:11 PM PST up reply actions
and....
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No offense
But I feel like either you a). overrate Mason Raymond or b). believe that Pierre Gauthier is a bumbling idiot.
Actually both of those may be true… But I still don’t see you getting rid of Keith Ballard and getting PK Subbam for Raymond + Ballard and getting Moen too.
Just no… It’s not close value wise. It’s possible if you added silent g it’d be close. The other deals aren’t bad… but ehh.
PS: Also, which one of you pretended to be Patrice Brisebois.. I know it was one of you, and when I figure it out I’m going to expose you.
PSS: I’m going to go back to stirring up the Tim Thomas to the Hawks for nothing rumours… cause they’re almost as funny as the Perry to the Nucks rumours.
Oh yeah? Well you underestimate Ballard and MayRay so shut up! heheh
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by Sean Zandberg on Jan 31, 2012 12:10 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Really I do?
I don’t think I do… I like Raymond, Ballard’s cap dump bad 2nd pairing dman that makes 4.1 MM per year..
yeah, you do. Put MayRay in a constant top 6 role and he will thrive
Ballard, much like Brian Campbell, needs to be a top 2 defenceman somewhere. It’s true. Oh yes, it’s true
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by Sean Zandberg on Feb 1, 2012 3:10 AM PST up reply actions
Well since it's rosterbation
I threw his name out last year and will throw it out again… Zach Bogosian
Top 4, size, young dman (who i have a madddd man crush on). Shoots right as well.
Potential trade would be MayRay + prospect (Connauton?) and 2nd rnd pick for Bogz.
Probably not enough to get it done but the thought of him coming over is so mouth-watering.
Forward depth on the relatively cheap: Moen. He would be an upgrade on line 4 and able to step in to line 3 if MayRay gets dealt. All other reasons have been discussed, don’t wanna be redundant.
Bogo is viewed a lot differently now
He’s recovered that swag he had after his rookie year in the NHL it appears…
I wonder if MayRay + Jensen would be enough… I doubt they’d take quantity for quality I know they do want a legitimate top line forward, but Is MayRay enough?
Moen is getting over priced imo too many teams after him.
there is no way we give up Jensen
He is a skilled power forward. Thank God AV loves him. How about going after Jamie McBain with Mayray and sauve… He’s a right handed shot and has good size, speed and has offensive upside.
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Great idea. If I was the ‘Canes though, I’d be much more willing to move the guys with expiring contracts.
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by Vancouverguy on Feb 1, 2012 10:07 PM PST up reply actions
I don't think the Canucks move Connauton
At least I hope not. Unless it’s some crazy deal to get Weber
by Canuckelhead on Feb 1, 2012 10:29 AM PST up reply actions
He is definitely a "high ceiling guy!
And no way we move Jensen. AV kept him around until almost the end of camp, and probably talked more positive of the guy than anyone else.
When GMMG asked him his opinion, you can bet your ass that he will ask if there is someone else that can make whatever deal it is happen.
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I say....
we grab Ruutu from Carolina for Stefan Schneider and our 2012 1st round pick.
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TSN was saying Carolina wants a good prospect and a high pick.
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How about...
Mason Raymond for Cody Franson? Leafs want a top 6 forward, need to ship out a defenceman.
Franson plays 15-16 minutes a night, is a BC native, is a RHS, and won a Memorial Cup with the Giants to boot!
Then again, not sure how much Leafs value Franson.
No, no, no no no no no
Franson’s become almost untouchable now, no way the Leafs give him up, and we don’t need another small speedy guy for our top 6. Now Komisarek on the other hand…
In summing up, it's the Constitution, it's Mabo, it's justice, it's law, it's the vibe and... No, that's it, it's the vibe. I rest my case
He's talking about
MayRay I think.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Feb 7, 2012 2:14 PM PST up reply actions
2nd this year (LAK’s), 3rd in 2013 (MIN’s). I’d have given up something similar.
by Passive Voice on Feb 16, 2012 5:23 PM PST up reply actions
The benefit of beinga top team in the League
You don’t need to do much to your roster…you’ve beaten most of the teams in the league already. But likely we do need injury insurance…we didn’t have enough in the last play-offs and it cost us
This still active?
Dustin Brown for Raymond + 1st round 2012
DO WANT
WANT VERY BAD
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Feb 25, 2012 8:11 PM PST up reply actions
Heheh, wow nobody even came close to predicting the right trade did they? Outta the blue Magoo.
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