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Sharks At Canucks Recap ; Numbers Game (3-2Ls/o)

The Sharks. Everyone tries to talk about this rivalry as a "replacement" for the Hawks when realignment occurs. Fiddle faddle.

Before tonight's shootout win, the team from San Jose had won twice in about twelve games (2-9-1 I think ). Sorry Sharks fans, but that is not much of a rivalry. That is more like Canucks versus the Flames. Always intense, and a little bit nasty, but not a RIVALRY like the Blackhawks. Maybe if the Vancouver team faces the Sharks in the playoffs a few more times.

For all that though, they sure do get up for these games. A quirk in the scheduling saw the Sharks facing the Canucks in their first game since they lost at home last week, while the Canucks had played two times in the interim.

Whatever. This is a solid team, and you knew that the above numbers would not hold forever. The visitors got the extra point this time. On to the next one.

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First

It turns out the Sharks are not afraid of the #1 power play in the NHL. They sure did not play like it, anyhow. Less than three minutes in, they took their first penalty, when Douglas Murray reacted to a Bieksa pinch with a bear hug for a holding call. They had a couple saves from Niemi, and a pretty hilarious dive by Jumbo Joe on not much from Salo that Tim Peel shook his head on, but the Canucks were not able to cash it in. It would be a theme tonight, that.

Another theme was Joe Thornton passing to the wrong guys. He had two very bad turnovers in the first, and without Niemi, they may have both ended up in the back of the net. Perhaps the booing was getting to him, or maybe its just the New Year's celebrations extended too long into the new year.

Perhaps it was the three power plays in the first to one for the Sharks that got the momentum going, but for whatever reason, it was the Canuck team with more jump, winning more puck battles, and giving their team the opportunity to score. That they did not was in part Niemi, but also the rest of the guys sacrificing the body and blocking shots. ( they blocked 8 shots to 3 for the home team in the first )

For all of that, it was an odd man rush, and poor systems play by the visitors that was the cause of the first goal. Canuck watchers will know that when you see the defenseman jump up in the offensive zone, a forward is going back to cover. They do that very well. The Sharks tried to activate their defense, but they are not as used to doing that as the home team tonight. When Brent Burns jumped in way too deep, no one was anywhere near the blue line. It led to a three on one the other way. Jannik Hansen and Cody Hodgson played give and go, and looked to have got in too far, but the shot from Hansen went in off a hard charging McGinn trying to get back for the opening goal.

They had another chance on a dumb penalty by Murray, but could not cash it in. The teams exchanged the man advantage, and there was a fair amount of Sedin Time ( 4 on 4 ), but they just could not extend their lead in a period where they were the better team.

numbers ; The Canucks were dominant in the circle in the first, going 12 of 17, with Manny Malhotra and Henrik Sedin leading the way at 4/6. They had 9 shots to 6 for the visitors, and it was San Jose ( led by Joe "Smell my finger" Thornton with 2 ) that had the only giveaways, at 3-0 in that stat. The only column they were leading in was the hit count, at 11-8. Alex Edler led his team in ice time at 9:25, and had 2 of the 3 blocks the Canucks had. Sami Salo and Henrik Sedin each had 2 shots to lead their team, while Captain Hank , surprisingly, had 2 hits to lead that stat for his team.

Second

For all the good that came out of the first period, the second period was not good for the home team. The Sharks got lucky on their first goal, though they did do a good job of holding the puck in. Kevin Bieksa got the puck in that "spot" on the knee where there is just nothing you can do. Everyone that has played knows that pain, when it hits you where the pad is not. Like Cheech said, it is like it hits a nerve. He was felled beside the net, and that left Ferrioro alone in front. ( EDIT ; From the post game talk, the puck AND Ferrioro got Bieksa. He looks to have slashed him at the knee when he was coming out front. Hard for the refs...the puck got there at about the same time. Thats the scuttlebutt though ) The first shot was saved, and while Bieksa took a weak swipe at the puck on the second shot, he could do little, and the puck got by Luongo, already down after the first two saves.

That goal was followed by a power play, when Andrew Ebbett swiped at a puck and got a defenseman instead(Demers). The Sharks did not score, but had six shots. "Stinkfinger" had the very best chance in close, on a slick Marleau pass, but he was flat out robbed by the goaltender. It was a sick save, but the momentum seemed to flow from that man advantage.

Perhaps all the travel and games lately had something to do with it, but I don't like to use that. They all have to play 82 games, and while San Jose had the scheduling advantage this time, these guys are all payed big money to treat this as a job, and always be ready for "work".

Ballard was alone with Patrick Marleau in front on the second goal for the San Jose team, and had him tied up pretty good, but not his stick. There was plenty of blame to go around. Defenders and forwards alike ( Alberts and Daniel Sedin ) had a chance to clear the puck, but did not. A point shot was tipped by Pavelski, preventing Luongo from getting better control of the rebound, and Marleau swept it home to give his team a one goal lead.

Keith Ballard, who did not have the best game, had a very egregious turnover at his own line that let Joe "the Mad Proctologist" Thornton have a clear break in from the line not long afterwards. His 2010 buddy robbed him to prevent another goal in a period where the home team was second to pucks.

Joe returned the favour not much later with yet another turnover, and sent Cody Hodgson in alone. He was not able to get the puck high enough to beat Niemi, and a solid 4th line shift for the Canucks seemed to turn the momentum a bit. The second ended with the visitors having a one goal lead, but the late play in the period mitigated their dominance somewhat.

numerical events ; The Sharks definitely wanted this one. You can tell when a team is willing to block shots, because, you know, blocking shots hurts. In addition to the 14-4 advantage ( Clowe had 4 himself ), they probably blocked a bunch more with sticks turning pucks over the glass. It made the shots advantage look even better for the Sharks, as they had a 17-7 edge in shots in the middle period. The hit count evened up at 14 apiece, with both Bieksa and Alberts accounting for 3 each. Mason Raymond was buzzing, as he had 3 shots in that period to lead his team with 4 after two. Malhotra was best in the faceoff circle at 6/8, while Cody Hodgson was perfect after two, with an assist and 10 shifts in his 6:40 TOI after 40 minutes.

Third

The Sharks seemed like they wanted to just give this one away in the third, however. First, it was Jason Demers getting faked out by Kevin Bieksa and tripping him less than two minutes in. Then, it was Brent Burns with a high sticking infraction where he actually took Henrik's lid off while raking him with the stick. But even with over a minute of a two man advantage, the Canucks were not able to cash it in. The Sharks penalty kill deserves a lot of the credit, as they did a fabulous job selling out, just getting pieces of pucks, or, getting a save from Antti Niemi. He did not look that good doing it, as it seems is his style, but the puck was kept out.

Then, about the only thing that I really had a problem with, officiating wise. Roberto Luongo may have played the puck just outside the trapezoid ( replays were inconclusive, and it looked to me that the puck was just on the line after he fumbled it and played it the second time ), but how in the hell does Tim Peel see that from the other side, with two guys between him and the line. Simple, he did not. He let Joe Thornton call the penalty, who was waving his arms like a crossing guard to get his attention.

It made little difference, as this was the best PK for the Canucks on the night. After killing that penalty off, they got another chance for their top ranked special teams to do something, on a very smart play by Alex Burrows. He left a puck until he had rolled out over the line to negate an offside, and then his hard move on the puck forced Ryanne Clowe to take a penalty or let him break to the net.

The top unit had a couple chances, and some pressure, but it was the second unit that got set up and put the pressure on. After Dan Hamhuis jumped on a puck in the corner, Burns was left with the choice of covering Hodgson or Raymond in front. Silent G made a subtle play, getting just high enough in the slot to be free of Burns, and a nice pass from Dan Hamhuis was slammed home to give the power play a goal they really needed. 2-2.

After that, it was mainly the home team that had the pressure. Joe Pavelski had a half break that was denied by Luongo, and he made two huge saves, the second without his stick, on the best late pressure for the Sharks, but this game was going to overtime. ( it got there because Torrey Mitchell, alone on a badly played 2 on 2 by Juicy Hammer) was a second too late, as he beat Luongo with a shot on a rolling puck, but not the clock.

O/T.

The Sharks finally got a huge break in the recent games between these two teams. Kevin Bieksa made a nice shot, but it was Dan Hamhuis that had an open net on the rebound, and hit the far post instead. It should have been the Sharks muttering as they went off the ice right there, but them's the breaks, right?

Both goalies were very good in the tiddlywinks, backgammon , checkers , shootout, with the only goal coming after Ryan Kesler beat Niemi but not the post on the third attempt for the home team. Handzuz used his great reach to deke Roberto and beat him high stick side for the point deciding goal.

digits ; It seemed the teams stopped hitting, or the stats guy stopped counting them, as the final tally was 17-17 each, only 3 hits each in the third and O/T. The home team dominated the faceoffs against one of the best teams on the draw, winning 38 of 62 draws. Kesler was 14/22, and Malhotra 8/11 to lead the way. The Sharks rode that second period to have a 35-29 edge in shots, but the Sharks were a whopping 24-7 in the blocks stat. The Canucks actually directed more pucks (64-56) at the net. So, credit where it is due. Without Douglas Murray blocking 7 shots, and Clowe another 5 for half their teams total, perhaps a few of those point shot bombs get through, especially on the power play. Daniel Sedin led his team with 6 shots, while Raymond had 5. Best stat line for the Canucks? Godson had a goal and an assist, +1, 2 shots, 1 takeaway and 1 giveaway during 17 shifts and 13:37 TOI.

On to a big game on Wednesday. The Canucks welcome the Wild. They are currently 3 points up on them in the Northwest. A win and they are 5 points up, with both teams having played 41 games. Time to put them in their place.

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I don’t know, man. This rivalry is hot right now

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by Sean Zandberg on Jan 2, 2012 10:31 PM PST reply actions  

Agree.

Sharks-Canucks is the greatest rivalry in professional sports history.

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by idunno723 on Jan 3, 2012 12:11 AM PST up reply actions  

just like Hansel

"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"

by Semi_Colon on Jan 3, 2012 5:26 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions  

...Hansel.

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by eightyseven on Jan 3, 2012 5:27 PM PST up reply actions  

With alignment in place, this rivalry is shaping up to be one of the NHL’s most electric. And not to take anything away from what your Canucks have done over the last season and a half, but if rivalries look back on history, let’s not forget who had the upper hand in this match up just a couple seasons ago. Although, I do agree another playoff series is needed to label this a true rivalry. Maybe a series where the Sharks come to play.

by ResidentShark on Jan 2, 2012 11:23 PM PST reply actions  

honestly

I did not mean to denigrate the Sharks.

I remember a few years back.

But they almost gave away another game, they now have won something like 25% of the games over the lest two years, and the weakminded bullshit ( the finger wag, really?…or how about Clowe tonight? Everyone in the rink without Teal glasses on saw that he took a penalty in the third on Burrows. No one went down easy. It was a very easy call to make, actually.

What does he say afterwards “I just got my stick in there and he went down, its Burrows…blah blah…blah” That is making excuses, and is quite frankly, weak.

It comes on the heels of Joe ( the Captain for Gods sake ) saying similar things in a loss this year, and in the playoffs. Its never their fault, you know?

For all the BS that fans of other teams throw at the Canucks, our leaders never do that. The Sedins won’t allow that.

THAT is why I say fiddle faddle. They got the extra point tonight, after almost giving it away. I know they are a good team, I saw it in that second period.

But they have the same mental problems ( to me, anyhow ) that they have always been reputed to have. Until they stop making excuses and blaming the other team, I stand by it. They need to just play the game, and they may get back to a few years ago…

right now, frankly, I am not that worried, and until they start winning more than 25% of the matchups, I would put them more in the Flames rivalry category than the Hawks.

The Hawks and Canucks are way closer in amount of wins and losses over recent history. The Hawks scare me. I enjoy games with the Sharks, they are always entertaining.

They don’t scare me like the Hawks do.

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by vancitydan on Jan 2, 2012 11:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Eh

I feel like rivalries always start like this. We’ve finally convinced the wings it’s a rivalry by repeatedly kicking their asses, but for the longest time it was one sided. You feel the rivalry with chicago because they’ve had your number. Find the time when canucks fans started saying there was a rivalry with chicago and when chicago fans started saying there was a rivalry with vancouver and I guarantee you the former happened first.

It’s not a two-sided rivalry yet, I get that, but given the new playoff system and how often we can expect to see each other in the post season, give it 3 years and I totally expect it to be a full fledged rivalry of ridiculous.

That said, counting the wild as a big game? Flash of unreasonably hot goaltenders and lucky scoring in the pan says most advanced statistics. You’ll have a comfortable double digit point lead on them by year’s end. whatevs.

by warning on Jan 3, 2012 12:21 AM PST up reply actions  

Hope so

This game is a difference between them ShuttingTFU and whimpering away, or maybe nipping at our heels for a while more.

I get what you are saying about rivalries too. But there was never any of that weakminded whining ( OK, some, and maybe from both sides, but most of it was from really intense events that inspired the talk )…here….we have Clowe, in a game HE WON, trying to call Burrows a diver on a play it was clear to everyone from his coach to his GM to any fan that was not just drinking the koolaid he was trying to serve…that it was anything but.

Same with Thornton a game before, who, after splitting Burrows finger to the tune of four stitches with a hard slash…accused him of embellishing. Embellishing what? Blood?

Its just indicative to me of something weak. Like termites eating the foundation out of a house that looks like a million bucks otherwise.

I don’t get that. We used to be scared of this team. Now, its just not like that. Hell, the Flames play the Canucks harder, and there is give and take that would make this rivalry look tame in comparison if the Flames were any good.

If they want to play tough, they should do so. The Canucks seem to welcome that kind of game. They call it “fun”.

But instead, its this weak stuff. If you are going to accuse a guy of diving, at least wait until he gets up on the tower and walks out on the board. They just look stupid if they call someone a diver when he just slipped into the water from the edge of the pool.

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by vancitydan on Jan 3, 2012 12:41 AM PST up reply actions  

Whoa there

Chill. I’m pretty sure I said nothing to offend in that post.

But you know, you seem to be what some might call angry. Like what someone might feel towards a rival. Just saying ;)

by warning on Jan 3, 2012 1:46 AM PST up reply actions  

angry?

I’m “chill” dude.

Not angry at all. I don’t see anything angry in that post, but I suspect that was not the point of calling me angry…sort of like what I was making a point about. ;-)

FTR though, you did not offend. Sorry if you think the above was angry. Just my version of the “facts”.

I do think, honestly though, that you guys need another captain or leader. The guy that stands out as the one that never makes excuses and blames the other guy seems to be the young guy. Couture. Give him the “C”!

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by vancitydan on Jan 3, 2012 2:05 AM PST up reply actions  

I think maybe

He meant your obvious hatred of the sharks would be the telltale signs of a rival. Can’t say I disagree

by Canuckelhead on Jan 3, 2012 2:18 AM PST up reply actions  

This

Anger’s probably not the right word though, my bad. I’m not much of a writer.

by warning on Jan 3, 2012 3:40 AM PST up reply actions  

everybody

calm down and hug it out.

I agree with Dan about the captaincy…Jumbo Joe has lost it…he’s completely devoid of character and (if last night is any indication) skill as well. Somewhere along the line he lost sight of what made him a great leader and captain and became a bit of a caricature of himself. Sad really, but yeah give the captaincy to Couture.

Also agree with Warning…this IS a good rivalry, and although the win/loss column isn’t exactly even right now, these are two teams that do not like each other much. That makes a rivalry. The flames were a rivalry til this year, but I just don’t see the player vs player hate anymore like I do vs chicago and san jose. As fans we tend to think of calgary as a big rivalry cuz it’s the flames, and lets face it, nobody in their right mind could like the flames. But watching the games this season, I just don’t see that same level of hate from the canucks against the flames. I do see it against the sharks. I’d say chicago and san jose are the teams the boys on the ice hate the most, and I see san jose/vancouver becoming a kick ass exciting rivalry that could even surpass chicago’s in the new layout. I don’t think it will take LA long to get up there too, with sutter at the helm.

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by Twitchy2010 on Jan 3, 2012 10:08 AM PST up reply actions  

lol

yeah…calm down!

sorry if it sounds like anger…not mad at all.

i am just disappointed that a one time solid player like Clowe always goes to the “well” for an excuse.

its something we see in our team this year not at all, as they learnt about how that shit backfires in the Final.

but yeah, just opinions made perhaps with too much language!

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by vancitydan on Jan 3, 2012 10:16 AM PST up reply actions  

But you know, you seem to be what some might call angry. Like what someone might feel towards a rival. Just saying ;)

That’s what I was going to say. HA! I am hating the Sharks. To me, it’s a rivalry. I love it. These games are fun to watch.

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by Sean Zandberg on Jan 3, 2012 12:01 PM PST up reply actions  

I’ve learned my lesson in trying to belittle the Canucks, you guys have an excellent, dangerous team. So I will not say that I agree with the Fin fans who believe the Sharks are the better of the two and argue that we have simply fallen misfortune to the fickle nature of the game when playing the Canucks. Here in the bay area, that is a common belief. But I will say that Nucks Misconduct’s tendency to rip Sharks players for their thespian behavior is an overreaction and a sign indicative of fans on the winning side of a rivalry in the making.

Sharks have been on the losing side of this series for more than a year now, so the chippy stuff after the whistle should be expected. I hear Ryan Clowe’s name being thrown around here a lot and that gets to me. Anyone that watches him night in and out knows that he grinds as hard as any power forward in the league.

by ResidentShark on Jan 3, 2012 12:48 AM PST up reply actions  

tell him to stop whining when he plays the Canucks

It seems embarrassing ( or would be if I was a Fin fan ). Last year in the playoffs, this year again tonight.

I am not saying he dives ( thats your captain, and its probably not as bad as say…any other player that embellishes…though he did try a pretty lame one tonight that the ref laughed at on Salo )…at all.

He whines a LOT though. Its not the banter back and forth that has happened in the past with say…the Hawks. It is him saying, after he took a bad penalty that everyone saw was legit…“well, its Burrows, he goes down easy…” Before that it was Bieksa is a punk because Marleau asked him to fight, had the gloves off and was throwing the first punch, and Bieksa did not decline.

I guess the point is that there is far more mutual respect between the Hawks and Canucks, borne out of a rivalry that still makes this one look like grade school…than there is coming from someone that supposedly “grinds as hard as anyone in the leahgue”…yet whines and bitches whenever things don’t go his way ( his team lost in 5 games last playoffs, and he never once admitted it had anything to do with the other team…rather, it was all about bad breaks, bad reffing, bad ice, bad guys on the other team….)…at least that is how it looks from the opposing team benches…to me anyhow.

It should get to you that he does that, rather than folks like me pointing it out, you know? ;-)

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by vancitydan on Jan 3, 2012 12:57 AM PST up reply actions  

Clowe’s not really a whiner so much as he is a massive shit-talker. Those traits manifest themselves very similarly against teams/players with a reputation for diving.

by meetyourmako on Jan 3, 2012 1:04 PM PST up reply actions  

This diving

shit needs to be put to bed. Every team, and I mean every team, has players that dive. End of story.

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by Smoboy41 on Jan 3, 2012 4:54 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I absolutely hate when I see Canucks players dive.

Watch Kings games from here on out, it’s highly doubtful that Drew Doughty will get the benefit of future calls. See, Kid who cried Wolf.

by Coach Ryan on Jan 3, 2012 7:31 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree the sharks are a rival

To me the Chicago rivalry is dwindling and the sharks one is just getting fanned. The best part is both fan bases accuse the players of exactly the same things and both teams hate the other for similar reasons. Hating the reflection of yourself and all that. The only problem is we both have an aging core. By the time the new system is in place we’ll all be chasing edmonton ;)

by Canuckelhead on Jan 3, 2012 2:15 AM PST up reply actions  

I don't know that the Hawks rivalry is dwindling yet (especially if we face them in the playoffs AGAIN)

But I fully agree with the Sharks/Nucks shaping up. As you say, the biggest thing is that San Jose feels like the closest team to Vancouver in a lot of ways – “Hating the reflection of yourself” indeed.

And bite your tongue on chasing Edmonton. Didn’t we do that enough in the 80s? :/

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by jwolf0 on Jan 3, 2012 5:00 AM PST up reply actions  

for 6 seasons now

i’ve thought the oilers to be about 2 seasons away from being a contender. I don’t know what the problem is there, but they get these young guns and then they either all leave or just fade into obscurity. Maybe this group will be different, with RNH and Hall, but then again, maybe not. I want to see edmonton succeed, but they’ve not done so well with the tools they had for some time now.

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by Twitchy2010 on Jan 3, 2012 10:13 AM PST up reply actions  

I was joking

But the oilers haven’t had this level of high end young talent since the 80’s. Ales hemsky and Sam gagner were never thought of as budding superstars like RNH and Hall are. I agree about the d but you can build a defensive core without superstars as these Canucks have proven. Everything is cyclical, the Oilers were really bad for awhile, they were able to get blue chip talent in the draft and like Chicago and the penguins before them now they are on the road to being good again. Like it or not the Canucks will be bad again at some point too.

by Canuckelhead on Jan 3, 2012 10:37 AM PST up reply actions  

well

If they are following the Detroit model, then no, its not rebuild, its reload. The Canucks have been good for a little while, but they ahve a way to go to get to that level. But that is not saying that they cannot do that just because of the cyclical nature of the game.

Thing is, with the Oilers….I am not sure. Pitt, and Chicago, both showed some decent level of improvement after hitting bottom.

The Oilers just seem to hover at about the same level. If I was a fan of that team, I would be concerned about that, and whether guys leave when their entry level is up, or play hardball like Turris did, because they just don’t want to be there…you know?

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by vancitydan on Jan 3, 2012 10:46 AM PST up reply actions  

What Detroit did is not a model

You just can’t keep pulling superstars from the late rounds. They got lucky but they’re the exception not the rule and the proof of that is in their aging and declining hockey team. Also, theyve been blessed with probably the best dman of all time. Those guys don’t even come around once in a lifetime.
If you don’t see improvement from these Oilers than you’re choosing not to see it. That first line is a threat every time they’re on the ice already 2/3 of it can’t even drink when the teams on a road trip in the states. Whether us Canuck fans wanna believe it or not RNH and hall are the real deal. The only thing holding Hall back is injury concerns cause of the way he plays. I mean think how long it took the sedins to develop into the stars they are now. Considering that how can you see anything but promise from the young Oilers?

by Canuckelhead on Jan 3, 2012 11:07 AM PST up reply actions  

lol

disagreeing means I “do not see it”? I see it fine. I just disagree on the level of greatness. Lots of teams get high drafts and never improve…CBJ for example.

The Hawks and Pens did get some great guys by sucking, but then they climbed the standings. This is three years in a row that they have shown no real discernible levels of improvement.

Hall? He is held back by more than injury. No improvement, really, since his rookie season. Lots of potential. Potential does not get wins, you know?

RNH is a huge talent, but that is potential than reality now.

The thing is, I agree with you about their potential. But that is all it is right now. You call it promise….and thats great, its a positive.

But compared to the other two teams, they lack anything more than that. Lots of teams have some talent on the first line. Hell, Rick Nash is the best power forward in the game.

Look what that has gotten him!

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by vancitydan on Jan 3, 2012 11:33 AM PST up reply actions  

Cbj is a good example

But the problem there is they never had anyone for Nash to play with. This is only halls second season same for eberle so you might be rushing the no improvement judgment especially since they’re both on pace to get more points than last season, their rookie season. Also those two are barely out of their teens and in the case of RNJ he’s only 18! The fact that at those ages they are the 3 best players on an NHL team is nothing short of remarkable.

by Canuckelhead on Jan 3, 2012 12:00 PM PST up reply actions  

We won't

be chasing the Oilers until they improve their D.

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by Smoboy41 on Jan 3, 2012 10:25 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

and goaltending…

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by cyxj on Jan 4, 2012 6:18 PM PST up reply actions  

For all the BS that fans of other teams throw at the Canucks, our leaders never do that. The Sedins won’t allow that.

The Sedins are classy dudes and are awesome. Alain Vigneault is the most infuriating whiner since Chris Pronger.

by meetyourmako on Jan 3, 2012 12:37 PM PST up reply actions  

say what you want about Thornton, but Todd McLellan would never do that.

by meetyourmako on Jan 3, 2012 12:38 PM PST up reply actions  

you obviously

don’t follow Quennville that closely. He is a World Class whiner.

I think its part of the job. Todd Mac does it too, don’t kid yourself. They just all use codewords!

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by vancitydan on Jan 3, 2012 5:12 PM PST up reply actions  

The 2-9-1 record is a little deceptive though. The games have been excitingly close, and a bunch of them were just 1 goal games (it’s probably a cool number, but that requires me to look stuff up).

Over the past few years, the records probably do end up evening out, but there’s definitely some solid hockey being played. These games are fun to watch, even with whatever issues fans have with the other team.

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by Bockerz on Jan 3, 2012 10:50 AM PST reply actions  

Well said

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by Smoboy41 on Jan 3, 2012 12:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Definitely playoff hockey level.

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by eightyseven on Jan 3, 2012 12:16 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm sorry

But for all the really good writing you guys do here, you sound like a bunch of smug assholes. Every time these two teams meet I come over and read your take on what’s going on. I find it interesting. But recently it’s been nothing but Sharks did this, Sharks did that. Take a good look in the mirror and reflect on your own team. After the Sedins I wouldn’t be very proud of the way any of them act or play. Just look how they pissed Boston off last year in the finals.

I watch every Sharks game I can, nearly all of them. They don’t play the way they do against the Canucks against virtually any other team. In fact, were not a very penalized team. Coincidence? I think not.

But the real stinker is how you guys continually bash the Sharks, even when you win, and win you usually do. But even when you lose, our goals are the results of dives and cheap shots, always. Or your team was lazy, or whatever. You can barely see through whatever bias you possess that these are two damn good teams who aren’t far off. Do you see matt and plank do the same bashing over at fear the fin? It’s not even close.

As a hockey fan, its hard for me to respect your team or fanbase when you do this belittling shit, as the blog writer no less.

Grow some and stfu with the harassment in the gameday threads and recaps if you want some respect from us.

I honestly hope I don’t get banned for this, but I’m close to the point of not caring anymore.

by Dermal Denticles on Jan 3, 2012 4:13 PM PST reply actions  

Nucks are a great team.

Honestly, their ‘system’ is so much more effective than the Sharks’ and seems perfectly tailored to their players (Sedins, Kesler, Burrows, etc, etc). Their transition game and in-zone movement and passing is superb. With a deep, mobile, skilled defensive core this team has all the ingredients (preaching to the choir here?).

What I don’t get is why this blog gets so offended by an opposing team, particularly when the Sharks provide stiff competition that makes for an exciting game. Say what you will about the Sharks antics, I view it as tit-for-tat, and honestly within some reasonable level, wouldn’t any team do what it can to get under the skin of the opposing team. Obviously the Nucks fans aren’t going to view the ‘stinkfinger’ in any sort of positive light, but if you change the jerseys to two any other players on two different teams I think you would find that it was absolutely hilarious instance of trolling.

I have to agree with Denticles, to an outsider reading this blog, the tone of this blog tends to take against the Sharks seems a bit unwarranted. But hey, maybe that’s my own homerism shining through :)

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by jMoneyBrah on Jan 3, 2012 4:48 PM PST up reply actions  

I am sorry you take offense

I would politely suggest you grow a thicker skin.

Calls them as I see them. You may want to rationalize away Joe diving and disrespecting the other captain in a way I have not seen in 40 years of being around this game, I won’t.

You may want to excuse Clowe for the shit talk/ whining he does all the time. Even Patrick Kane, a world class shit talker, admitted that his team got beat by “a better team”…( and even if they don’t believe it, its part of the schtick to say it when you lose a best of 7 )

I get that losing a hell of a lot to a team that you hate is going to make you mad, but give me a break with the insults to the blog.

There are many voices here, and we talk as much shit about our team as we do others!

It is going to be viewed as a bias when you hate the team that the fan of that team is writing about your team.

Mathew and the reat of the guys at FTF do a wonderful job. You can see plenty of positive articles about your team there.

I would also, humbly submit, that it is far less “negative” than you two are complaining about.

For instance, I love Logan Couture. He should be the captain of your team. He acts like it. Jamie McGinn, even after he injured two of our guys, I love how he plays hard and mainly fair.

But don’t expect flowers for a guy like Clowe, who, after pulling down a player and getting called for it, and costing his team the game tying goal, goes for the weak “well its Burrows”.

We are harder on that aspect of Burr’s game than you guys are, and that was not even in the neighborhood of a dive. Like I said above, it shows a weak mind, making excuses. The same with Joe and his stinkfinger. The same with almost every player not named Couture whining about the “breaks” and we are a better team…if the refs weren’t out to get us, we would have not lost in 5 games!

I get it. Its cool. I am not saying the above to denigrate the team you cheer for. Rather, to make a point. Its how they are viewed from the outside.

A bit unwarranted? I have seen the same at the FTF threads, interspersed with wishing death on players like Burrows and Kesler.

Even in jest, we don’t usually go that far. Its just a game. One we all love. I never take offense at anything said over there…you should not over here.

I hope we can have banter and such, but know that it is not intended as hate to your team when pointing out things they do wring, or that don’t please an opponent, you know?

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by vancitydan on Jan 3, 2012 5:23 PM PST up reply actions  

whining?

You are whining. I am not whining about the stupid antics the Nucks pull, I’m over it already. Aren’t you? Serously? Come off it already

by Dermal Denticles on Jan 3, 2012 6:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Dude it's called a rivalry for a reason

You hate our guys and we hate yours. Simple. You should start worrying when everyone is talking nice about your team on opposing blogs because you only do that if the team stinks and you feel sorry for them.

by Canuckelhead on Jan 3, 2012 7:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Also

I would put it to you that that’s exactly what you come looking for. If you wanted unbiased reporting of the game go to NHL.com

by Canuckelhead on Jan 3, 2012 7:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Bashing the Sharks?

Hardly. Just Clowe and Thornton. And a simple remedy for your lack of respect towards us or Canuck fans in general would be not to read what gets written here. Have a nice day.

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by Smoboy41 on Jan 3, 2012 5:00 PM PST up reply actions  

This comment is hilarious

You can’t respect the team because you don’t like what fans of said team say about opposing teams? The two things are totally not connected at all!

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by Semi_Colon on Jan 3, 2012 5:23 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions  

on a somewhat serious note

You might be seeing some more perceived hate towards the Sharks because many Canucks fans see the Sharks do so many of the exact same things that get the Canucks vilified by the media an other fans, yet no one says anything about the Sharks.

On anther note, I really don’t know why you’re bitching so much about another team’s blog. This isn’t a Sharks blog. I think you’ll find most of the writers here are rather unkind to a lot of teams for a lot of different reasons.

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by Semi_Colon on Jan 3, 2012 5:30 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Because the Sharks really don’t pull that shit much with other teams. It works, and if we want to not get decimated on the PK we need to lie our way into a few opportunities too. The Bruins have better goalies so they can just beat you, we have to join in.

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by Evilducks on Jan 4, 2012 2:53 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions  

So

What you’re saying is the sharks don’t dive against other teams?

by Canuckelhead on Jan 4, 2012 3:47 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Oh nooo...

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by idunno723 on Jan 3, 2012 8:47 PM PST up reply actions  

I still think you’re cool thanks to your P&R quotes.

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by eightyseven on Jan 3, 2012 10:03 PM PST up reply actions  

go figure

we call out the other team for doing the things they call out our team for doing. Whodathunkit? A hockey fan pointing out hypocrisy from the opposing team? That would never happen anywhere else. God, we’re insufferable pricks up here in lotusland. The nerve of us to see our own team thru rose colored glasses and the opponent thru shit stained broken windows! Now if you’ll excuse me I have to prepare for a protest and a riot and plan today’s welfare recipient treehugging class.

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by Twitchy2010 on Jan 4, 2012 8:01 AM PST up reply actions  

wow

things got crazy in here….

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by missy on Jan 4, 2012 10:57 AM PST reply actions  

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