Canuck Brunch- We Need To Have A Talk
Dammit, Dale! If you say 'Trade Kesler' one more time, I am gonna kick your ass!
It's been a while since we chatted. It was earlier this year, I believe. Something about goaltenders? My memory of it is a little fuzzy, so you'll have to forgive me. I'm not very happy with you. After all the hard work that myself and many others have done to try and help with this issue, you've ignored it once again. On one hand, I can't really get too mad at you. It's hard not to trust them. They know just what to say to you, just how to get this kind of reaction. You have to see it from my point of view though. We really work hard to help you see when you should be concerned and when you shouldn't. Our intentions are honest. We just want to bring you things the way we see them. And while we may not be 'insiders' per se, we do pride ourselves on being knowledgeable, especially when it comes to these situations. And we know who to take seriously and who not to. Okay, I am just going to come out and say it. If you are one of the people currently engaged in bashing Ryan Kesler over a deliberate manipulation of sound bites, you're a really, really stupid fan.
Yeah, that's pretty mean. But I have bitten my tongue so much over the last couple years, and I refuse to do it any longer. This is a non-issue. Period. You're seriously going to turn your back on the guy you all clamored to have as Captain before the start of last season? The one so many of you feel has the 'Heart Of A Canuck'? It's bad enough that people actually chose to ignore nearly every media member who said this back and forth between Kesler and AV was nonsense. But you embarrass us as fans when you start calling Team 1040 and pining for him to be traded. Attacking his offensive output. Questioning his loyalty.
And this is not just the fans, mind you. There are media members out there who should know better than this. They seriously expect us to believe this? The whole 'goalie controversy' was garbage. We knew that, and said it all along, and what do you know. Everything we said turned out to be true. Look, it's not like we don't understand expectations are high in Canuckland. This is a team that many believe can make their way back to the Stanley Cup Finals. And despite some hiccups, this team has once again played like a contender. They've endured injuries, wonky scheduling, and even a couple trades. And there they are, atop the Northwest Division and contending for 1st overall. Is everything perfect? Hell no. There are things about this team that need to be improved. But the histrionics coming from the mouths of some of you suggest this team is a step away from the kind of rebuild that teams like Calgary and Anaheim are desperately in need of.
Here it is, in plain, simple English. There is no issue in the room. Alain Vigneault and Ryan Kesler are not at each other's throats. AV has not lost the room. There are bigger issues with this team than some manufactured pissing match. Stop, and think. Even if it was the way it looked, I would rather see Pissed Off Ryan Kesler. You know why? Pissed Off Ryan Kesler is a dominant force. He makes teams look bad. So if Kes has a lil fire underneath him, this is not the time to start admonishing him and calling for him to be shipped out. There is no Cup run without Ryan Kesler. So what if Kesler isn't going to score 40 goals this year? He's come back from off-season surgery, played with a constantly rotating line of wingers and the Canucks are still successful. Is he playing his best hockey right now? No, but he's still an effective 2 way player. You can't start bitching and moaning to trade someone the moment they struggle.
This whole thing couldn't have come at a better time, honestly. The last time the Canucks played the Los Angeles Kings was a pretty ugly thing. And the Kings, well, they were kind of dicks. The Canucks, in response played like they left the bus for the airport running, like they couldn't wait to get out of there and home before midnight. Sure, the LA Kings have played well since Darryl Sutter took over as coach, surprisingly well even. They were picked as a team to be feared before the season started, and look to be living up to that hype finally. But if you think the Canucks forgot about the incessant cheap shots the Kings got away with on New Years Eve, you're going to be surprised. Tonight is going to be another game where the Canucks show why they don't need a guy like George Parros. They will match the Kings physically, be smarter than the Kings in the discipline department and make them pay on the power play. This is going to be a game where the Canucks look like one of the best teams in the league. Count on it.
Andrew Alberts is in and Alexander Sulzer is out, one game after Sulzer horrified Canucks fans with his worst game in blue and green. Sulzer looked so out of his league Sunday night, it had some fans wondering how he had cracked the lineup over Chris Tanev. While there's no plan to call Tanev back any time soon, Alberts will get a chance to reestablish himself tonight. Meanwhile, Sami Salo continues to recover from his concussion suffered at the hands of The Nose That Shall Not Be Named. He's not been given a timeframe for his return.
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Okay
I’m here. Let’s sort this shit out. chugs moonshine straight from the still
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okay... I'll go first

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Now that I’ve read it, Kent. It’s beautiful. Says pretty much everything I’ve been thinking. Thanks. Great job.
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thank you
sorry about the whole ‘hitting you in the head with a cricket bat’ thing…
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Meh. These things happen among friends. Better believe you buy the next beer though.
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alright then
beer it is
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An angry pissed off Ryan Kesler hogs the puck like a filthy Russian and doesn’t use his linemates, am I right?
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and he sulks a lot too.
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by Sean Zandberg on Jan 17, 2012 2:08 PM PST up reply actions
I heard the team ran out of Kleenex yesterday
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by Sean Zandberg on Jan 17, 2012 2:09 PM PST up reply actions
Yes
The whole thing with AV is way overblown but the truth is it’s not surprising fans are turning on Kesler. The guy needs to perform on the ice cause he doesn’t have much to offer off of it. I mean this is a guy who has a superman logo with a K tattooed on his body, poses naked and refers to himself as “kes”. Not exactly things that endear you to fans if you’re not performing. Having said that I’m sure he’ll get his game back in order in time for everyone to love him again before the playoffs but he does need to learn to pass the puck. If for no other reason than to create space for himself. You can’t score goals alone. Except against Nashville.
by Canuckelhead on Jan 17, 2012 2:13 PM PST up reply actions
Btw
Suggesting to trade Kesler might be the most ludicrous knee jerk reaction this town has ever seen and that’s saying something. he might have been our most important player during last years run.
by Canuckelhead on Jan 17, 2012 2:30 PM PST up reply actions
did I stutter?

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If the Canucks try to "match" the kings physically
They’ll lose this game. They need to play an uptempo game and ignore the after whistle stuff of they’ll get bullied and distracted again. I’m sure AV knows this
The Canucks need to get back to playing "their game"
and stop this lazy-ass horsehit of chasing the play and crapping in the second period.
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they don't need to match
but responding similar to the way they did in Boston is the key. Show that you won’t flinch, but let them continue to instigate (and get called for it).
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I don't know
I think in Boston they got off their game because they tried too hard respond. After starting the game dominating five on five they lost their composure, got distracted and by the end of the game the bruins looked like the better team at even strength. Much better in fact. They won that game because they scored twice after Marchand took that dumb ass penalty. Otherwise that game might have turned out very differently.
by Canuckelhead on Jan 17, 2012 2:28 PM PST up reply actions
they wouldn't get that emotionally involved
in a game with LA. That was all about who the other team is.
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They did on new years
Imo anyway that’s where this thing falls of the rails. They need to play their game and that includes forgetting about trying to get pp. I’m not talking about diving, rather they need to play through the cheap crap and not concern themselves with whether or not a call should have been made. Let the coach do that. Forget about the refs and the power play and get to work. I have a feeling that’s exactly what this team is going to do tonight cause this feels like an important game for them.
by Canuckelhead on Jan 17, 2012 2:35 PM PST up reply actions
But there is no if. It happened. Boston came in destroying teams, Canucks stuck with them and played a conscious game that involved letting Boston take penalties.
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We've seen how that story plays out
When the stakes get high and the refs put their whistles away. They could dominate Boston if they didn’t keep getting dragged into the mud. Same thing happens with Chicago and L.A. The book is out on how to distract this incredible collection of talent and they need to prove the book wrong not play into the trap. You’re right at this point there is no if. When the Canucks play the game after the whistle they aren’t a very good team and it’s been proven time and time again.
by Canuckelhead on Jan 17, 2012 2:46 PM PST up reply actions
I hear “when the refs put their whistle away” but in the SCF Vancouver had ample opportunity on the power play.
In any case
I think the Canucks are the better team I just don’t necessarily agree they proved that in the last game. Actually before it got ugly they looked the much better team. Then they looked much like the team that lost game 7 until Marchand gave them a gift that they aren’t going to always get. Ultimately I’m also saying its a gift they don’t need and if that becomes the focus, again it’s a distraction
by Canuckelhead on Jan 17, 2012 3:14 PM PST up reply actions
The positive of all this
Is it takes pressure off Luongo. The angst in this town needs to be spread around the team more and not constantly focused on the goalie. In the long run the fans having a different scapegoat would be a good thing for the team.
AV hasn't lost the room
But it’s pretty clear from what some media guys have said (a couple recent communication mishaps) that he leaves most of the stuff in the room to the players. Which can be good and bad.
Bad if Kesler is trying to play through an injury (which I wouldn’t be surprised if he is) and isn’t saying anything.
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
by Semi_Colon on Jan 17, 2012 2:46 PM PST via iPhone app reply actions
I believe he isn’t 100. Over the past few years, AV hasn’t had to do a thing in that room. They hand picked the players who would step up or else buy in. It’s not impossible to think something has changed, but I don’t think it has.
Look at the schedule they just played through, in a few weeks this will be as much of a blip on the radar as the entire month of October was (seems forgotten now).
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Blip
Is probably exactly right. My concern is with the mentality of this team for the playoffs but Im sure you’re right and this particular bit of angst ends tonight.
by Canuckelhead on Jan 17, 2012 2:57 PM PST up reply actions
Not necessarily tonight. Sure hope it does…but soon. The boys are banged to shit right now, I’ll give em a week if it means everyone gets healthy again.
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If the mood of this town is any indication, and a lot of times it is, I think the Canucks give the kings more than they can handle tonight. the health and tired thing bothers me tho, especially in January. Sounds like excuses and every losing team has them.
by Canuckelhead on Jan 17, 2012 3:18 PM PST up reply actions
The thing is
If Kesler isn’t 100% – why is he playing through it? He’s running the risk of making it worse and it’s only January
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
uhoh
InjuryNinja Injury Ninja
Taylor Hall injured in pregame skate. More to come
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May have been a puck off the head for Taylor Hall, but @GenePrincipe hears it could have been a skate cut. Hope for good news.
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Appears Corey Potters skate caught Taylor Hall in the head after Hall wiped out.
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yikes
they just showed it at the very beginning of That’s Hockey on TSN.
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If not for bad luck
The oiler would have none. Shout out to naughty by nature.
by Canuckelhead on Jan 17, 2012 4:11 PM PST up reply actions
rumours that Miller has asked Buffalo to trade him
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I can Confirm that #Sabres Ryan Miller has asked to be Traded but will ONLY waiver his no trade to play on the West Coast.
No idea who this person is or their credibility, but it’s interesting to see if this actually turns out to be true when you take the whole season of the Sabres into account.
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Nope
Do not buy that at all
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
Haha
People would have been saying this in 2010.
by Canuckelhead on Jan 17, 2012 4:17 PM PST up reply actions
OMG
STOP GIVING THEM IDEAS!!!!
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Or....
we could trade for Miller, give him steroids, and unveil him as our mystery 4th line enforcer when we play Boston in the final! That way he can fight Lucic and get his revenge, and then everybody’s happy.
It makes sense now; Miller hates the Bruins; Miller has had a bad experience playing in Vancouver. Miller comes to the Canucks, who are the only glimmer of hope in a dark world conquered by the evil forces of Mordor (Boston), to team up, stick it to the Bruins, and win a cup on the ice surface where he lost the gold, thus replacing his bad memory with a good one.
Perfect!
I worry about you...
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that's my excuse too
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by Sean Zandberg on Jan 17, 2012 4:52 PM PST up reply actions
Winterhawks
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BlueJacketsNHL NHL Blue Jackets
Ben Eager buries a centering pass from Jeff Petry at 8:50, and it’s a 2-0 lead for the #Oilers over the #CBJ.
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Lombardi squeaks one thru Anderson 5-hole to make it 1 zip #Leafs #Senators
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2-0 now, actually.
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TravisHeHateMe Travis Yost
Alfredsson back-hander makes it 2-1 late in the first period. Huge goal. Kills the scoreless streak at just over eighty-six minutes.
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Bolts score! Vinny find the loose puck with heavy traffic in front and backhands it past Tim Thomas. #TBLightning leads 1-0 in the first
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Bruins having some issues in Florida as well
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
BlueJacketsNHL NHL Blue Jackets
GOAL! Ryan Johansen curls and snaps one five-hole on Dubnyk, and the #CBJ are back in it at 2-1. #Oilers
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NHLJets Winnipeg Jets
New Jersey up 2-0 on the strength of Petr Sykora’s 11th goal of the year
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The scoring continues for New Jersey as David Clarkson makes it 3-0. Claude Noel calls a timeout to refocus this troop.
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NHLFlyers Philadelphia Flyers
#MNWild come right back and score to make it a 2-1 #Flyers lead
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GOAL!! #Flyers score to take a 3-1 lead
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Schenn! Or Hartnell! Or Jagr! Or somebody!
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And Flyer fans boo
puck went off the defender’s stick, but thats their go to, I guess!
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GOAL! The Blue Jackets beat the clock! Derick Brassard ties the game with 0.8 seconds left in the period! 2-2 at Nationwide.
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Spezza’s 20th on tip ties it 2-2
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it's just you
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That's what I was afraid of
Oh well, back to pizza
by Canuckelhead on Jan 17, 2012 6:00 PM PST up reply actions
I do want to see the response after New Years Eve
but aside from that…yeah, back to pizza!
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I’m looking forward to it a lot. I really want them to thump the Kings, since the next few weeks they will be playing sparingly. Want to go into the break on a winning note.
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I just have a feeling this is a breakout game for them and its a solid test. In any case I’m using it as an excuse to drink too much wine for a Tuesday.
by Canuckelhead on Jan 17, 2012 6:15 PM PST up reply actions
never too much wine Dionysus!
hopefully you revel in a win.
I do know what you mean. I am looking forward to it for seeing how they play a team that handled them pretty good on the 31st.
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Dionysus indeed!
Woman feed me grapes.
Ouch!
by Canuckelhead on Jan 17, 2012 6:46 PM PST up reply actions
lol ouch indeed! If a man said that to me he’d be receiving a Gibbs head slap at the very least :P
Go Canucks Go!
I wouldn't dare
In fact she’s sitting right beside me and doesn’t even know I typed it…that’s how scared I am.
by Canuckelhead on Jan 17, 2012 7:03 PM PST up reply actions
@DetroitRedWings GOAL!!! Holmstrom with a big blast from the slot and the Red Wings have a 1-0 lead 6:41 into the game.
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GOAL! Derek MacKenzie slams home a centering pass from Colton Gillies, and it’s a 3-2 #CBJ lead at 32 seconds of the third!
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