Morning Buzz: Canucks #1 overall, Cammalleri for Bourque, and matching shootout winners
by Jordan Clarke on Jan 13, 2012 7:45 AM PST
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Print1st in the Northwest, 1st in the West, and 1st overall.
For now.
The Canucks are tied for the most games played (45) in the league with Ottawa, Calgary, Colorado, and Carolina. They've been playing a lot of hockey games lately. But things are about to even out for them, as they spend the rest of the month at home and only play 5 games over the next 19 days. These are the dog days of the season, and this mini-break couldn't come at a better time, as while the team has been picking up points, they've looked gassed for a few games now and need to get healthy.
Vancouver Canucks news & notes:
- Yup, there's the multi-point night from the twins we were waiting for after 2 (arguably 3) bad games in a row. Here's the Daniel Sedin game winner, which was the 700th point of his career and the 100th PowerPlay goal:
- Ken Htichcock called this game a measuring stick for the Blues, and admits to having a healthy respect for Vancouver. He also gives a great quote as to why the Canucks are so hated: "It's because they win. Want to be liked? Start losing and everybody will love you." [The Province]
- In my eyes, the Blues are the closest thing to the Bruins in the West as far as how they're built. Two great goalies, a deep, physical group of forwards, and stingy defence. They could be a force in no time. Like Hitch says in the Province article, they're learning how to win right now.
- I was so glad to see everyman hero Aaron Rome back in the lineup last night. The team really missed his average ping-pong skills. Keith Ballard was the odd man out, which surprised many. Also surprising, Ballard has the highest shot blocking percentage on the Canucks. [Pass it to Bulis]
- Four Canucks were selected for the All-Star Game yesterday, more than any other team outside of the host city. Congrats to Hank, Danny, Alex and Silent G. [Canucks Army]
- Edler was kind enough to share his itinerary for his first ASG. Quite the busy schedule! [Legion of Blog]
Today in Canucks history: [Jan 13, 2004] The Canucks won their eighth consecutive road game establishing a new club record. The previous record of five straight wins on the road had been accomplished five times.
NHL news & notes:
- Mike Cammalleri is a Calgary Flame again. He heads to Cowtown along with G Karri Ramo and a 5th round pick, and coming back the Habs get Rene Bourque, RW Patrick Holland and a 2nd round pick. Not only is this an awful trade by Montreal, the fact that it was done in the middle of a game is embarrassing. Pierre Gauthier has done nothing but handle every tough situation in the worst way possible this season, and this is just another example. If he thinks Renee Bourque is going to be part of some sort of solution in Montreal, good for him, but he's delusional. Bourque's name may sound French, and he may have size, but he doesn't use it, and he's as streaky as a 5-year-old's underpants. This is a steal for the Flames. [TSN]
- The Wings topped the Coyotes in a shootout last night, which featured three gorgeous goals. Check out the Henrik Forsb...I mean Zetterberg SO winner:
- Loui Eriksson has been known to use that Forsberg move, too, and low a behold he used it to score the shootout winner for the Stars against the Kings last night. His isn't quite as slick as Zetterberg's:
- I have to eat some crow on this one. I thought the Ottawa Senators were going to be a lottery team this year. Last night they shut out the top team in the Eastern Conference in their own building. Paul MacLean has to be the frontrunner for the Jack Adams right now. [CBC]
- The full roster for the All-Star Game was announced yesterday. Great to see Victoria boy Jamie Benn get the nod, and a bit of a surprising one at that (no Loui Eriksson?). Other notable snubs that I would have liked to see are Scott Hartnell and Evander Kane, but overall I can live with the picks. [NHL.com]
- Check it out, a 1994 NHL All-Star Game Fleer Ultra set:
via Twitter.
Today in NHL history: [January 13, 1961] Kelly Hrudey was born! Why isn't this a national holiday?
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Hitchcock said he also spoke to Mark Recchi after the former Bruin went off on the Canucks in the offseason and labelled them the most arrogant team he had faced in his 20 years in the game. And he wasn’t surprised to hear that an anonymous Sports Illustrated players’ poll had Luongo and Ryan Kesler ranked fourth and ninth respectively as the most overrated players. It comes with the territory.
“It’s because they win,” Hitchcock said of the hated status. “Want to be liked? Start losing and everybody will love you. You think we were liked in Dallas? San Jose wanted to strangle us. As for Boston, you get to brag for a while until somebody knocks you off your perch. You get to toy with them [Canucks] now because you have status.”
Read more: http://www.theprovince.com/sports/Blues+take+cues+from+Canucks/5988641/story.html#ixzz1jM1vP3ra
Pretty spot on in my books. Although I hate the Yankees, if the Canucks could ever become the Yankees of the NHL, I’d be pretty ridiculously stoked.
I think I understand what he means a bit though, by virtue of my cheering for the London Knights, who are basically the Yankees of the OHL. Every other fan of every other team can’t stand the Knights, and it’s been that way since they have dominated the league for the last decade or so. And let me tell you, I wouldn’t trade that for the world. :)
Clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose.
basically what Nolan Baumgartner said on twitter too re "overrated"
he said it means people basically don’t like to play against you.
<3 Boobies!
notafullcolon CS: Well obviously I meant we were snorting blow off hookers at the time of the goal
Oh Hitch…I am sorry for ever making fun of you.
Props to him for saying that
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by Sean Zandberg on Jan 13, 2012 3:57 PM PST up reply actions
on the Flames trade.
I posed this question over at Matchsticks and Gasoline; why can’t Calgary just admit that they need to rebuild? I know that making the playoffs leads to revenue for the ownership and that ‘anything can happen’ from a team perspective (i.e. Canucks ’94, Flames ’04) but come on.
COME ONNNNN!
I thought of that too
They’re 3 points out of the playoffs, and with adding a piece like Cammalleri, I think any possibility of Iginla being traded this season is gone. It was a good trade for them, but it delays the rebuild.
by Jordan Clarke on Jan 13, 2012 8:15 AM PST up reply actions
About the trade...
I don’t see the trade as being an absolute steal for Calgary. Cammalleri has a much higher offensive ceiling than Borque, but their styles are quite different. As of right now, their goal totals are quite similar. Throwing in the 2nd more or less evens it out, but I think Calgary still wins here. Had Calgary thrown in a 1st, I would say Montreal won the trade.
The cap-savings/contract terms makes up for the talent terms in my opinion, so I think Montreal wins, purely based on the 2nd round pick they got.
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by Vancouverguy on Jan 13, 2012 11:15 AM PST up reply actions
Cammo's comments about his teammates
doing pregame prep like losers is probably at the heart of this trade. Also Bourque brings a little more grit to a pretty soft team in Montreal.
and more man games lost….
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by Sean Zandberg on Jan 13, 2012 3:58 PM PST up reply actions
and the potential
to be suspended for a headshot before PK Subban does…
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PK is getting a hearing? Really?
I thought that was another case of a certain city and their whining ways. The hit did not look THAT bad.
There was a bit of head hit though. Maybe he is a sacrificial lamb for the frenzy afterwards huh?
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It is not a steal for the Flames
they got the best player, perhaps, though if Bourque can get his consistency issues sorted out, that is up for a bit of debate with the year Cammy has had.
Here is the thing. On a team with a bare bones system as it is, he traded for a pretty decent goalie prospect and a 5th, while giving away another prospect and a 2nd.
They continually trade 1st and 2nd round picks. How is a team supposed to rebuild? I know we have done similar in this town, but the Canucks at least replace those with guys like Tanev and others that are “moneyball” type guys that fell through the cracks.
I think Calgary marginally wins this trade, but it still, if they don’t make the dance, is an utter failure, and even if they do and go only a round…it does not help long term.
Not that I care, I have no love lost for the team. But I wonder which lunatic is running the asylum there.
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excellent question
They continually trade 1st and 2nd round picks. How is a team supposed to rebuild?
in a salary cap world, don’t teams need draft picks to pan out. more often than not, the first and second round guys are the one’s who pay dividends in your system. not every team can be like Detroit and legitimately unearth solid talent in the later rounds. Of late, Calgary has shown no propensity for draft success in the late rounds, and are constantly trading away picks that could improve their farm system and/or provide legitimate bait to improve the team via trade.
That management team has got no stones.
no statistics but...
rebuilding doesn’t automatically mean you will be good to contend 3-5 years away. chicago and pittsburgh are examples that it worked, but detroit and philli manage to stay competitive despite not getting high picks. you’d think you want to bottom out and get 3 top picks in a row but it’s no guarantee those guys will pan out. the NHL isn’t quite a superstars league like the NBA… maybe your chances really are better to hope to enter as a 7-8th seed 10 years in a row (carolina? tampa?) rather than as a top seed for 5 years… like our canucks. (is it 4 years for us? so maybe this year is it?)
that is true.
Look at Columbus.
But if you are going to be a middling team, that consistently drafts in the later part of the 1st round, you better hope that your team can assess, draft and develop talent at the NHL level – preferably for your own team, but also for the purposes of trading up.
I don’t see that for the Flames, and I continually see evidence of pissing away draft picks for the here and now.
As a Canucks fan, I should love this. but part of me is quite sad about it. to an outsider, the Flames management are seemingly happy with being mediocre, so long as the C of Red is being filled for 41 regular season games, 3 preseason games and potentially 2 home dates in mid-April.
With Aaron Rome
or “God” coming back to earth after his point streak I think “Ping Pong” or “Average” are good new nicknames for Rome
YOU FOOL OF A TOOK!!!!!!!
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by Sean Zandberg on Jan 13, 2012 3:59 PM PST up reply actions
Legion of Blog link
takes you to the canucks army article again…
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THIS should totally be in the links
even though it’s football not hockey. Tebowie!
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“Iggy is going nowhere and we are going for it.” – Jay Feaster
by Jordan Clarke on Jan 13, 2012 11:48 AM PST via iPhone app reply actions
Talk about a quote
that can be taken in two different ways.
let me try…ok how about this:
I can’t recommend Feaster highly enough.
Winning is certainly part of it...
…but it’s not the whole story.
Vancouver fans don’t hate Boston because they win. A team’s personality is a big factor in how much you hate the team.
Blackhawks bleed Red & White.
We are all Canucks...including Toews, Sharp, Keith, Seabrook, ...need I go on?
Winning makes you relevant.
Personality and play-style makes you hated.
Blackhawks bleed Red & White.
We are all Canucks...including Toews, Sharp, Keith, Seabrook, ...need I go on?
read this
Ed Willes sums it up. For those who want to say the Canucks never “stand up” BTW, they have 25 majors. That is near the top ( Boston with 33…I am willing to bet several of which were in outnumbered situations ;-)
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oh
Winning makes you hated…the rest is window dressing and opinion.
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by vancitydan on Jan 13, 2012 12:38 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I can't think of a team that is "loved" in any pro-sports.
So you either have “hated” or “irrelevant”. In that regard I don’t mind the hated moniker. It’s better than being irrelevant.
Good point
The only counter example I can think of off hand is The Denver Broncos – currently loved by an entire nation (of Evangelicals).
Chicago Cubs
Although if they played in any other city or in any other ballpark, they’d be irrelevant.
Patrick Holland did an "ask me anything" on Reddit last night, I see.
The story on how I found out: My roommate and I were watching the Montreal game on tv in our room before going down for dinner and saw that Cammalleri was traded. Went down for dinner and heard he was traded to Calgary. Made a joke to my team that I was involved in it that nobody believed. At this exact point in time, my phone started to buzz and Flames Office came up on my caller ID. Then @Canadiensmtl mentioned me in a tweet and my I started to get overwhelmed with e-mails of followers on my phone.
We check out our team’s forum from time to time just for a good laugh. A lot of the stuff is really opinionated and have no facts behind them so it’s pretty humorous. We see a lot of things about how if we lose 1 game the coach should be fired and stuff. Pretty dumb.
http://www.reddit.com/r/hockey/comments/of0bh/iama_patrick_holland_who_was_just_traded_to_the/
Can someone explain wtf reddit is? It looks like some rudimentary website from the 90’s. I’m 24, so I’d like to thing I’m pretty aware of the internets, but what the hell is wrong with this site? ; )
The continents don't drift. They back away slowly from Ryan Kesler.
"Want to be liked? Start losing and everybody will love you" -Hitchcock
agreed
I can’t get into it. It looks like 1993 took a dump on my computer screen.
by Jordan Clarke on Jan 13, 2012 11:56 PM PST up reply actions
Karma
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"Daniel Carcillo will undergo anterior cruciate ligament reconstructive surgery.We anticipate a full return in six months."
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Holy crap. Look at Rome!!- Sean Zandberg
Karma exactly. Suffered on the Payne was to be suspended for if I’m not mistaken.
by Canuckelhead on Jan 13, 2012 3:06 PM PST up reply actions
So what happens to his suspension?
Given that I assume Chicago won’t bother re-signing him, will Carcillo have to serve it out if another team decides to pick him up so he can “keep us in check”.
his suspension ends Sunday
and since the Hawks didn’t put him on IR (as far as I understand) , the suspension is considered served.
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Holy crap. Look at Rome!!- Sean Zandberg
Love the Morning Buzz, Jordan! +1
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by Sean Zandberg on Jan 13, 2012 4:02 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
What a piece
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by Sean Zandberg on Jan 13, 2012 7:19 PM PST up reply actions
That’s why Marc Savard is kaput right? Because of karma? heheh
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by Sean Zandberg on Jan 13, 2012 7:20 PM PST up reply actions
you understand Carcillo gave himself this injury on the same play where he concussed the other guy, right? this is literal, instant karma
I don’t believe in karma, as you can tell
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by Sean Zandberg on Jan 14, 2012 2:14 AM PST up reply actions
Strictly speaking, according to Buddhism, bad things happening to to you is only retribution for thngs you’ve done a past life.
For sports fans it’s just an opportunity to laugh at the douche bugs when the athlete in question inevitably suffers his own setback.
Believing what goes around comes around is a good philosophy to live ones life by, regardless.
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