Canucks At Blues Recap ; All We Need (3-2Wo/t)
I struggled with a theme for this one tonight. At first, I was going to play off the game thread, and find something that referred to our fourth best rival or something. Then, with the above title, I thought something from Caddyshack, with the line of "thats all I need" when Danny Noonan tries to do the right thing.
In the end, this one hits it right. With all the pre game kvetching and analysis from the always on it Canuck Nation, in regards to Ballard and Sulzer ( it was the right move, I'll tell you why after the break ), it seems tough for us jerks, but like the movie, everything turned out OK in the end.
Points to ponder perpetually after the break.
First off, I have no problem with viewing the Blues as a rival. I would put them on my "hate meter" ( I don't really "hate" them, but in hockey fandom terms of course..well, except for a couple players on a team or two ) right behind the Bruins and Hawks. San Jose and their hate for us is their problem, and it causes the games to be chippy. But these guys have always gotten up for our team, even before they perched The Cock behind the bench and took off.
- No, this is not an excuse, but consider this. Before this game, the Canucks had played 18 games in 37 days. Twelve of those were on the road. The record in those games was 12-4-2,before tonight's 13th win. That is pretty impressive. Yes, they probably looked tired against a talented and determined St Louis team. That is because they are a very good team this year, and have a 17-3-2 record at home so far. Almost, or the equal to ( and its the NHL best home record ) the NHL's best road team, before tonight at 15-9-1. So, of course, they get paid big money, and they are pros, blah blah blah. They are also human. Look at it this way. The Canucks won't go on the road again for maybe a month. Like Sean points out here, the rest is coming soon. They deserve it.
- Another thing you jerks should realize. Without Roberto Luongo, the Vancouver team loses this game, and maybe badly. Yes, the second goal was flukey as hell. How in the hell he is supposed to know where that one is? It got hung up in his equipment. Stuff happens. He robbed Arnott twice before the puck fell out of his pads. The first goal, he made the first save, and Arnott got one of those "picking up the loose change" goals. Meh. Luongo made so many great saves, as the home team outshot the visitors 10-7, 16-10, and 7-2. He flat out robbed Backes and Oshie on back to back shorthanded breakaways late in the second. Luongo haters that say he "never steals us a game anymore" should be directed to this game. The goals for the opposition came from hard work, sure. They also came from some pretty decent "puck luck". ( note, in his post game interview with Murph' he said he was "looking for the puck in the glass". I never thought of that before, but how smart is that? )
- The Blues are a big team. They like to pressure the defense and the front of the net. I thought the Vancouver team did a decent job under that pressure. Of course you are not going to win every puck, but they battled hard, and while the Blues crashed the net hard, they were pushed back just as often. Bobby Lou getting a handle on the rebounds and loose pucks is a lot easier when you do that. The Blues finished with a 25-16 edge in hits, led by David Backes with 5 hits. He was a beast tonight, and one of the best players on the opposition. But after getting away with a first degree assault that probably had Burrows phoning his lawyers for the civil case earlier in the game, he took a deserved ( that is the danger zone David, and you pushed Burr in the back ) penalty that cost his team the game.
- Der German. Apart from the left / right conundrum that limits Keith Ballard, the way the Canucks play, you need a guy moving up and down on both sides. He had an up and down game in this one, but I still think he was the right call. While he was off getting stitched for taking a puck in the face, and in various points of the game after that as well, there were several different pairings that were cobbled together as Bones and AV looked for the right mix to counter what The Cock was doing with his lines. He played both sides, and he finished with the 4th most ice time of the defenders, with 2 shots ( 1 great chance ), 3 blocks, 1 hit, and 1 giveaway ( that Lui baled him out on ) German efficiency was on display folks. This is not an indictment on Ballard ( though he was getting away from the simple game where he has the most success lately ), but rather a plaudit for Alex Sulzer. Like I have said a lot in regards to my fandom of AV, he is a player coach. The guys that are going get the minutes, and into the lineup. We have a very deep team, and someone is going to sit. By not making it at all about the contract ( like you can easily find in other markets ) he gains even more trust from a team that knows that the credo they get preached to them about play hard and get the chance is not bullshit. ( It does not hurt playing mostly with our best defender either, and Alex Edler had a great game, with 2 assists, 1 shot, 1 block, 2 hits, and a takeaway. ) Coach said "except for that pass" in relation to the turnover that he liked everything about his game. He did bleed for you people, blocking a shot with his face.
- Special teams was a pretty important part of the win. In addition to the power play producing a brutally efficient game wining goal, the penalty kill was excellent under heavy pressure. After the first one looked pretty good, and was rebuffed by the goalie and the 4 guys in front, the penalty killers seemed to get a bit miffed by the non call on the mugging of Burrows and the subsequent very weak call on Henrik for being skated into by the same guy 30 seconds later, and took it out on the 4th ranked power play. Jannik Hansen was a beast on the PK. He had chances while a man down. His less than 3 minutes on the PK was almost as much as Ryan Kelser's 3:16 PK time ( Dan Hamhuis had 4:21 to lead the team ), but it was almost like the recently excellent penalty kill just said, "fine refs, do what you have to do, they are NOT scoring on the power play "( it went 0 for 4 )
- The officiating was, shall we say, uneven, but I am not going to complain about that, with one proviso. I get that Maxim Lapierre has to get the extra two minutes ( I think the refs gave him pity for getting beatdown by Polak in not getting the additional misconduct ), but they totally blew it on the initial hit. I know things happen fast, but Malhotra was in a vulnerable position, and was pushed in the small of the back. It was right in front of the bench, and I would wager that the firing up of the PK, if it was not later on with the above mentioned events, it was right here. Money is pretty well liked in that room.
- It is a battle, the game of hockey, and even though they seemed to be playing harder than the Canucks at times, the Blues can not say they out battled the winner of the game. The first goal was the result of the Sedins ganging the guy with the puck and forcing it out front, where Alex Burrows was waiting. His shot was excellent. Up high on the goalie looking the wrong way, and yet again, the first goal of the game for the Canucks. That line was in tough against a game and physical Blues team from top to bottom, but they were better as the game wore on ( in the second period late ), turning this game when it looked like Roberto Luongo was the only one all in. Their line, and then the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th one after the other had strong shifts in the other end, turning the momentum before Burrows came off the bench and got the perfect tip on a goal that was all started by Edler, who had an excellent hold at the line, moved to find the shot, and timed it perfectly for the forward coming off the bench to the front of the net. The Sedin line also drew the call late in the second ( before Hamhuis, Edler and Bieksa all conspired to give the Blues the best chances on it ), and made the game winning goal look almost cruel. Check this out. As soon as they heard TJ Oshie being called to the bench to get another stick, the Sedins and the power play worked it to Daniel Sedin ( move that goalie and the shot has a better chance ) for the superb shot to end it all, and keep first place. Battle level was apparent by both teams, but even the least likely to be the most physical in that sort of game can impact things very positively if they just keep on going. The Twins did that. The line was in on all three goals, Burrows with two, and Henrik had two assists to his brother's one. You can't stop the Twins, you can only hope to contain them. Even when you contain them most of the game!
Quick hits
- David Backes is a beast. He played this game with a ton of angst. Sorry if we covet your player Blues fans, but the team knew what it was doing with that offer sheet. Too bad we did not let you have Steve Bernier!
- Mike Duco was a -1, but he was very noticeable in his 6:35 TOI. 1 shot, 2 blocks, 2 hits and a takeaway. I hope they find a way to keep him in the lineup when Booth gets back ( though he probably is the odd man out )Depth is cool.
- Cody Hodgson had a turnover that ended up in the back of the net, but he was NOT punished for it, even though he only had 12: 39 TOI ( 1:43 PP ). Av saw that they were ( and the Blues are one of the bigger teams in the NHL. Of their three centres, Backes is the smallest at 6'3" and 225. The wingers are bigger too. AV saw Hansen was going and put him on the Kes' line. The third of Lapierre, Higgins and Hodgson still rolled over the boards regularly.
- Kevin Bieksa had 4 shots ( missed 2) took a penalty, had 3 hits, and played the 3rd highest defense time with 24:02 TOI. But most will remember the 3 giveaways ( led team ). They were bad. He was uneven, but maybe Juice just needs more...well, juice.
We are so damn spoiled with this team that we look for the reason for this goal, or how this guy sucked in comparison to that one. But you know what? They went into a tough building for them historically, playing maybe the best team in the NHL over the last half a season ( no offense tea haters ), played hard and took the two points home at the end of 4 games in 6 nights to go 3-1 on the trip.
All We Need indeed. ( well, maybe one more win in the playoffs would be nice. Hope the Hawks get these guys though first this year. Because the Blues are for real )
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Just so we're all clear...
…despite referencing Caddyshack the included video is The Jerk (a much better film, by my book).
It didn’t look like either team really had it going tonight. Each team was fighting more against themselves than their opponent, really.
And that’s a dangerous prospect for any team either the ’Nucks or Blues play in the second half, because both were still pretty damn good.
I once shot a man just to see him die...then I got distracted and missed it.
by TheDuke32 on Jan 12, 2012 9:24 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Didn't read the open?
Yes, Caddyshack was a contender, but then I went with this one
In the end, this one hits it right.
I guess I could have written that clearer
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Oh I read it. The whole article.
Good recap. I was just laying it out there before someone cried foul against The Jerk.
“Stay away from the cans!”
I once shot a man just to see him die...then I got distracted and missed it.
by TheDuke32 on Jan 13, 2012 5:33 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
On his way outta town...

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by Sean Zandberg on Jan 12, 2012 9:34 PM PST reply actions 3 recs
Nah, I like the wave as it is
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by Sean Zandberg on Jan 12, 2012 9:44 PM PST up reply actions
Wave matches the expression on his face,
Hodgson on Hansen--
"I've never played with a guy who creates so many offensive turnovers.
I really enjoy playing with him."
by Bobby Canuck on Jan 12, 2012 9:51 PM PST up reply actions
or...

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by Sean Zandberg on Jan 12, 2012 9:55 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Canucks are my number one hate
But at least our rivalry is based on actual skill. The blues are just annoying and I fully expect them to fall off a cliff or get knocked out in the first round. They don’t have a core player that would fit in the hawks core and this might be the nicest thing I ever say about the nucks but the blues don’t have a core player that would sniff your core either.
by Speed3 on Jan 12, 2012 9:57 PM PST via Android app reply actions
Sometimes all it takes is a bunch of brothers to band together and kick people’s asses.
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by Sean Zandberg on Jan 12, 2012 10:00 PM PST up reply actions
I'm not so sure...
I love the way Backes plays. He’d be a great top-6 forward for us.
by east_van_joe on Jan 12, 2012 10:01 PM PST up reply actions
I'd take Backes all day long too
Oshie has uber potential, and Langenbrunner and Arnott are both perfect vets for this team.
Shattinkirk AND Peitroangelo? Those young guys are money now, and getting better all the time.
Sorry. I know the Hawks and Blues don’t like each other, but that team is for real this year
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Lies!
I can’t stand backes or oshie. Even more so than the children of the corn. At least thing one and thing two have been to the playoffs and actually put up decent numbers. I can’t believe I’m giving Vancouver credit! St Louis it’s a terrible sad city. The only thing that keeps my nucks hate higher than my blues hate is I just laugh at the blues ineptitude. If they actually make the playoffs and ruin that for me I’m gonna be very upset. Dammit st Louis lose ten straight.
by Speed3 on Jan 12, 2012 10:48 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
Blues are pretty good and play a very grinding game
but I’d sure rather watch VAN vs. CHI. They keep everything against the boards – did you see how few shots they’ve given up in the their last few games?
When I watch us play teams like that I want a bigger ice surface or fewer players on the ice!
They played terrible, exhausted from a tough road trip and walked away with lots of points.
We in the sports narrative generating business call this gutsy team full of heart, even they were probably just lucky. I’ll take it, though.
(I do think coming out ahead despite playing tired and bad is to their credit, though)
You give Luongo no credit by saying that
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by Sean Zandberg on Jan 12, 2012 10:02 PM PST up reply actions
We've played a lot of road games.
I was just looking at the NHL standings and Boston is 2 points back of us with 5(!) games in hand.
But, they’ve only played 16 road games, while we’ve played 26!
No wonder the team has looked tired this week.
huh...well shit
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by Sean Zandberg on Jan 12, 2012 10:17 PM PST up reply actions
The Canucks
are home for a month almost, have had a ton of road games, and are the top road team in the NHL at 16-9-1 now.
Fuck their 5 games in hand, they mean nothing unless they win them, and our boys have a ton of home games coming.
I agree with Sean above too. You have to mention Luongo first in this game
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oh, and the stat in the recap is wrong
18 in 37? 18 in 36 I think someone said on TV. with 12 of them on the road coming into this one.
That is impressive too
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Five its a lot
Of course Vancouver will be fine in the regular season. Its why I enjoyed my trolling for your crap start. Everyone knew it wouldn’t last. Bad division and good team usually ends pretty well fur good team. Regular season doesn’t mean anything as long as you get to the playoffs anyways
by Speed3 on Jan 12, 2012 10:51 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
Question:
How’s the SBN Android app working for you? I’m waiting on the white Galaxy Nexus and am pretty stoked to use it.
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by eightyseven on Jan 13, 2012 1:30 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
It’s decent.. but the computer version is still better. It’s way easier to post with the app than with the browser though, on my SE Arc.
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by Vancouverguy on Jan 13, 2012 12:25 PM PST up reply actions
On the second goal
shouldn’t the ref blow the wistle when he loses sight of th puck?
Nobody knew where was the puck for a couple of seconds. What was the ref waiting for?
Los Angeles, CA
he was in position
maybe he saw it was not frozen, saw it on the body.
Shit happens!
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Lu was really great
I’d like to tip my hat to Lu and Schneids on this road trip…they kept us in games when we had no business being in it. They allowed the players in front of them to find their footing, or in some games held off the other team long enough for us to luck out.
I have absolutely zero feelings towards the Blues. Not even a tinge of rivalry. I do respect what they’re doing though, and Backes is quite the player. And Elliot is a great story, especially considering his ending in Ottawa.
The continents don't drift. They back away slowly from Ryan Kesler.
And OT
but I’m sure there’s at least one other person out there that thinks Doughty blows due to a certain aspect of his game:
theroyalhalf The Royal Half
I may be biased here… but Drew Doughty is turning into the biggest piece of shit diver in the NHL.
Surprised to see it come from that source. Screw his talent…he’s one of the few players I just genuinely dislike. Diver/whiner….gah.
/end rant
The continents don't drift. They back away slowly from Ryan Kesler.
thats awesome
Kings fans you talk to online always bray pretty loudly about that NOT being the case when every other fanbase points it out.
A shame he is sort of wasting his talent with that shit
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Nothing like Chicago or Boston
We were lucky enough to go to last nights game and the Blues fans are quite tame compared to Chicago or Boston fans. The rivalry doesn’t exist..,yet IMO. Boston was ridiculous last year and every game at the UC we have to hear a lot more BS than last night. All expected though when your wearing a Canuck jersey in enemy territory. Scottrade center is a nice stadium though and the staff were very friendly.
Also rode the elevator with AV and Romer at our hotel and the coach is a class act. Recognized we were fans, held the door for us and even asked us where we were from etc. Small talk but he could have just as easily not made an effort. He was genuine and earned points in my book last night.
by ORD Nucklehead on Jan 13, 2012 9:13 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Nice recap Dan
Except…Sulzer was not good. Not terrible but he was playing more mins than he can handle at this point and it showed. Which is why the defensive pairings got shuffled. Of course av is gonna say he liked his game. He’s certainly not gonna say he shoulda started Ballard. That giveaway was one of the worst I’ve seen in awhile. How often do you see a dman give it right to a guy wide open in the slot. Also, Sulzer doesn’t seem to have much of a shot. The thing is, Sulzer is not young or big and he’s far less talented than Keith Ballard. Sulzer is a borderline NHL player and for the coach to justify starting him over a guy like Ballard is frankly insulting to the fans intelligence. You start your best players at every position. End of story. Compare the careers of Ballard and Sulzer and you tell me Sulzer is the better NHL dman.
Coaches always have favorites and guys who are in their doghouse. Every coach does. Let’s please admit that’s what’s going on here, rather than try to justify it like AV is above it. Than let’s start the trade Ballard movement.
well, that is your opinion
after all the talk, I watched him closely.
Did he make mistakes? You bet. Did they score on the turnover? No? They did on CoHo’s same turnover that went up the middle.
hamhuis and Bieksa both made bad turnovers. That is what happens when the other team forechecks hard, and the Blues are very good at that. They caused more than one defenseman turnover tonight by sending in two guys deep.
I wont quantify who is more talented. We all have our opinions. I think Ballard is a fine defenseman, but in differing ways to Der German. Like AV said, easy and out. Sometimes that is what you want, and he worked well with Edler for a second straight game under the heaviest forecheck since the Boston game, and probably all year.
But this “insulting” and “end of story” absolutes do not hold much water for me at all. Its about the team. In this game, the coach felt this was the best combo. That does not mean Ballard is on the scarpheap. It does not mean his career is more or less than Sulzer. It means that the coach wanted a different mix for a particular style to play against.
This doghouse that folks like yourself and others talk about every time a lineup change happens is so overblown. You can admit that to yourself, all you want. It is obvious that is what you feel, but like I always say, I am not going to get angst armchair coaching, because I believe in this coach. Its not a doghouse, its not a favorite or not. Thats just silly every time he makes a move.
No one is justifying anything. I know you always think I am trying to “justify” this or that, but that is not it at all.
It just means that I am confident that the coach we have is making the right moves, and confident in his way of doing things.
Trade Ballard? Maybe that will happen. We have a very deep defense, and if you get a slightly less expensive guy back, it might change the balance $$$ wise as well.
But to say “Sulzer is not good” …when he showed that he was good tonight, as much as you want to lay a turnover and a great chance at the feet of his foibles or supposed weaknesses…it just did not play out that way.
The coaches did not pull him either, mon frere. You watched the game right? Those lineup changes in the third happened after a penalty kill ( the D Sedin trip) and maybe a shift or two for matchups, where Bones changed them up. He does that more than just tonight. The majority of the German’s shifts were with Edler, but Edler had 7 minutes of special teams time, while Sulzer had 40 seconds of PK time in his 17 minutes. Eddy had 32 shifts, and his partner 23. I would wager that the vast majority ( say 85 to 90%) of their shifts were together.
I will feel that Ballard is the right decision when he gets back in too. I hate this , every damn time he is out of the lineup, that its “how can he do that to Ballard? He makes 4.2 mil”! So what? The coach puts the lineup on the ice that he thinks will be best for whatever the opponent.
Money is not the mitigating factor. There are more “hockey” reasons. I totally respect that.
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by vancitydan on Jan 13, 2012 12:15 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
with high salary comes high expectations. I now fully accept that Ballard is overpaid and if GMMG wants to make this team better he needs to shed himself of Ballard and his salary.
Still like the guy…. but have given up all hope
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by Sean Zandberg on Jan 13, 2012 1:47 AM PST up reply actions
It's not just about money.
Regardless of opinions Ballard has established himself as a quality NHL dman , sulzer has not. That’s why ballard got that contract in the first place. Sulzer on the other hand Has played a grand total of 62 NHL games and he was drafted ONE year after Ballard. Look I’m not trying to convince you to have the same opinion as I do about AV, obviously that’s not gonna happen. but I am trying to find some common ground when it comes to discussing Ballard and if we can’t look at his past stats to figure out what value he may have to another team than I guess there’s nothing to discuss.
P.s. every coach has players they like or don’t like for various reasons that might not be entirely logical. It’s a fact and it’s ok.
by Canuckelhead on Jan 13, 2012 8:32 AM PST up reply actions
yeah. But I have been watching Ballard closely this season. More so than the others. He is very inconsistent. One game he looks like Paul Coffey, next game he looks like Dana Murzyn. He’s good far more than he’s bad, but that inconsistency….
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by Sean Zandberg on Jan 13, 2012 3:50 PM PST up reply actions
Sulzer
Is never gonna look like Paul Coffey tho.
by Canuckelhead on Jan 13, 2012 4:11 PM PST up reply actions
Sulzer is more consistent
but he’s consistently not as good. So the decision to sit ballard in favour of him is a bit, well, perplexing. I would have even preferred putting Rome with Edler and pairing Hips with Alberts over what we had with Sulzer.
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see, that
is what I mean about the square peg thing. Ballard, I love his game. I wish he played top 4. But I understand that we get what he brings from Bieksa and Edler as well.
His struggles with the off side don’t do him favours. Sulzer plays both sides as well. He is just more what I think AV wants from a 3rd pairing ( or as the backup to an offensive guy ) or with a swashbuckler in Edler.
You don’t want two swashbucklers on the same pairing. The right hand guys are what they are ( we could use a right handed shot while Sami is out though ) Sulzer shoots left, but is comfy on his right side ( even though Edler was there on their pairing, he went back and forth before easily )
Honestly, its the only reason I want to pump his tires a bit. Nothing to do with how good or bad, or how Ballard is payed.
Sulzer had a bad mistake that his goalie bailed him out on, so did almost every member of the defense ( except maybe Alberts, who had a good game, by his standards ). St Loo has a helluva forecheck, adn no one is perfect.
But I tried to watch him closely, and he impressed me with board battles, outlet passes, positioning to make plays, and taking a puck in the yap and only missing a few shifts.
Thats all…Ballard should be a top 4, it s better suited to his game. It is not his fault that we already have that. Its a little his fault that he has struggled with his confidence on the bottom pairing at times, but again, he is a go forward, swashbuckler, and that high risk when you sometimes are out with the 4th line, especially on the road where the other team can catch you out with better players.
Ballard has been good this year in comparison to last. I believe he would be better elsewhere in an offensive team, with top 4 minutes. Maybe he is in the package for Weber at the deadline?
;-)
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Alberts and Rome were the bottom pairing
Which is why Sulzer had more mins than them through two. I’m not saying Ballard is perfect but he is better than Sulzer in every stat you can imagine. He leads the team in shots blocked. Regardless of your opinions the stat heads have him in the middle of the pack in terms of “chance percentage”. He just played his 500th NHL game and he’s in the press box before a guy who’s a fringe NHL player at best. He LEADS the entire team in blocked shots but that’s not enough proof that he lays it on the line for his teammates?
by Canuckelhead on Jan 13, 2012 5:27 PM PST up reply actions
OK OK OK OK OK
You cannot compare them that way. I have said what and where. I like Ballard, and have said why.
I tried to explain to you what Sulzer did in his time the last two games ( in particular )
I don’t get where you are going with this, but how does laying it on the line for teammates have to do with anything.
If you choose to ignore or obfuscate what Sulzer did the past two games and call him a fringe guy ( the guy has been around a lot less….and we have had many players that were reclaimed with great effect from other teams.
Fringe or otherwise, comparing them is specious. The laying it on the line is not even what we were discussing.
I guess I am done then, because I won’t continue to tell you the good things about Sulzer if you are not interested in hearing them, and I am a fan of Ballard, so I think we are mostly in agreement there.
Its not a comparison. Its what one did in the first time the othe rhas been a healthy scrath. I doubt he will remain one for much longer, but who knows?
All I care about is results. The team is doing pretty good again so far. That means all the guys on the team contribute, and as much as you try to downplay one over the other, they are both part of that team. Like in the interviews I linked the other day.
AV is all about the team. He runs the lineup to win. I respect the hell out of that, and give him a lot of rope before couch coaching as a result.
Its got nothing to do with Ballard being good. I know he is. Either way, thanks…but I don’t see wherer else we can go with this without just talking at cross purposes.
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Results is the key
So I can agree with you on that. I just feel sorry for Ballard and feel he’s been treated differently than any other dman. Although he’s making four million dollars a year so I guess I can’t feel so sorry for him. That big contract is part of the problem
by Canuckelhead on Jan 13, 2012 8:18 PM PST up reply actions
My take is that
we’re better off with Ballard in the bottom 6, Rome in the top 4 and Sulzer in the press box, than with Rome in the Bottom 6, Sulzer in the top 4 and Ballard in the box. it gives us a better look and Ballard has been much better than the beginning of the season. He moves the puck forward well, has been quite good defensively playing pretty low event hockey and is an excellent skater. He isn’t ideally suited to bottom 6, but the Canucks look better with him there than they do with Sulzer in the top 4, which is the swap we’re making here. Rome isn’t an offensive beast, but he’s not awful either and he’s much better defensively than Sulzer, meaning he can pair with Edler to provide a solid pairing, and I think better than Sulzer. Then you can put Ballard with Alberts in the bottom 6 and you are looking pretty good.
That being said, I would imagine our D pairings when Salo gets back will be 3/2 23/6 4/29/41
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That being said, I would imagine our D pairings when Salo gets back will be 3/2 23/6 4/29/41
Yup.
Ballard plays best with Rome doesn’t he?
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by Sean Zandberg on Jan 13, 2012 7:24 PM PST up reply actions
well I found he's quite good with Rome yeah
also Alberts. To be honest, I found Ballard was great with the Sedins. His pinching was decent, but he was very good at sneaking in and very good at holding the blueline and keeping the cycle going. The few looks we had with him in those situations were great and I would imagine that with a bit more time, I’d imagine we’d see more scoring from him.
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The top six/bottom six is mostly fan created. While players build chemistry within their pairings if you have Shea Weber in your pairing that plays the least minutes, like at the Olympics, all it means is you have a deep team.
by Canuckelhead on Jan 13, 2012 8:24 PM PST up reply actions
Ok well
That still doesn’t really change my point
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Haha
No, I guess it doesn’t. I meant it more as a general response since people always seem to bring it up.
by Canuckelhead on Jan 14, 2012 9:25 AM PST up reply actions
Last year
when Ballard was benched and vilified I kept thinking that he would find his game once his injury issues were over with and I held out hope that we had a potentially excellent d man to add to the mix.
This year it seems to me that he has some confidence issues. He continuously (more than any of the other d men, it seems) gives the puck away and makes poor decisions, especially around and behind the net. It’s gotten to the point where I start holding my breath and cringing when he touches the puck. And through all of this AV has played him so often that you get the impression that there is no doghouse for Ballard anymore. Based on my disappointment over his play this season I would be inclined to agree with Sean that he is overpaid.
Hodgson on Hansen--
"I've never played with a guy who creates so many offensive turnovers.
I really enjoy playing with him."
A few points
for commonality
- coaches have players that have shown them they can do what they want. Ballard is not the guy that gets hated, or in the doghouse. Rather, he is a guy that deserved that money at one point, and a talented guy
- Overpaid is for the masses to determine, and I won’t say he is not. I do think he is a square peg in a round hole here. He should be a top 4 and PP guy, like elsewhere
- Here’s the kicker though. He has totally deserved the way he has been played here. We have better here. The Juicy Hammer, Edler is a burgeoning #1, and Salo has shown the coaches that he is the best overall D’man in a lot of eyes for a lot of years. So, Ballard falls to the 3rd pairing, and his swashbuckling style, while what got him the contract, is a little out of sorts with what the coaches want
- I totally get where Bobby is coming from, but I don’t “cringe” as much. Ballard would be great in the same place he has been before here, a non traditional market where he can play a lot of minutes, and they will take the good with the bad. Our coaches are right, but I do feel bad for the player not being able to show he is worth the dough.
So, overpaid? Maybe a little. But I think it is more that he is just a square peg in a round hole.
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I totally agree that Ballard has his faults and your assessment that Ballard doesn’t really fit here is pretty unarguable. I just don’t see how Sulzer can be considered an upgrade. Why are his mistakes tolerable but ballards are not? Especially when ballard has so much more upside. By all means unload that contract if you can but why not play him while he’s here?
by Canuckelhead on Jan 13, 2012 11:16 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
he will play here
and do well. I am not saying Sulzer is better ( he is what the coach wants on the 3rd or as a compliment to a do it all guy like Edler is all. Thats where you are getting lost with me CH. Sulzer is very good at taking the hit to make the play. The same as we marveled at Tanev’s skill in that way, it is the same here )
Of course he made a mistake or two. Ballard makes those same mistakes, but my main thing with him is, while talented, he seems to not jump up the way everyone else does, and gets caught out more as a result. He also tries to do to much in his own end, and that is where he gets in trouble.
People call it the doghouse and all , but its fine with me if the coach wants a guy that, like he said is “easy and early” with the puck in his own end.
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Obviously we’re not going to get anywhere with this so Im going to close with this argument. If this were moneyball brad Pitt would trade Sulzer ;)
by Canuckelhead on Jan 13, 2012 11:50 AM PST up reply actions
HA!
Good Lord, I have been dismissed. Brad Pitt GMMG is looking for money ball guys like Sulzer.
So, you want to bet exactly what I just said, minus the 40 games thing? Did I say Sulzer was a cornerstone? He is a solid depth guy that gives the coach what he wants, like Rome.
Thats it.
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Just watched Money Ball last night. Amazing.
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by Sean Zandberg on Jan 13, 2012 3:51 PM PST up reply actions
A little wager?
You name the stakes. You say Sulzer will “do well”. I’m willing to bet you he never plays 40 games in a single NHL season. I’m willing to bet this season is the most we ever see of Sulzer. Furthermore, I’m willing to bet that wherever Ballard ends up he’s in the top four and that he finds his game and goes on to some measure of success. It’s a long bet but you’ll be able to concede anytime ;).
by Canuckelhead on Jan 13, 2012 12:16 PM PST up reply actions
that may be true, but I have also seen some great plays by Ballard. I don’t think he’s in a doghouse or anything and he has been used this year in situations where if he was in a doghouse then they would have used one of the other D. He may be overpaid though it’s hard to judge that as he may be a 1st pairing guy on another team as Dan said. I actually wondered if they kept him out of the game because of a pending trade deal but we will have to see
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The last minutes of the game
I was absolutely blown away by how that game ended. First, the penalty on Backes should make ANY coach lose their mind. I know the automatic reaction is to assume that Burrows takes a dive there, but the video suggests pretty strongly that he was boarded, and rather well. Backes shows a mind-boggling lack of intelligence here either way. If he legitimately hits Burrows as hard as it looked, that’s an needless penalty to take. Burr’s #‘s are staring him in the face and he nails him, forcing the refs to make that call. If he didn’t hit him hard and Burrows did embellish the call, Backes is stupid for giving Burr the opportunity to do so. All he has to do is ride him into the boards and tie him up. It’s a tie game. Head to OT even strength and take your chances.
TJ Oshie. A player with a lot of upside. But that might end up being the dumbest play all year long. Seriously, even Keith Ballard thinks that play was dumb, and he once hit his own goalie in the head with his stick. I cannot imagine what would possess him to think “I have to go to the bench and grab a new stick. I know we’re short handed against the top 2 players in the NHL*, but hey, I am a fast skater. What could possibly go wrong?” If I was Hitchcock, I would give the team a day off and bag skate Oshie, then make him pay for lunch. And dinner. As much as Roberto Luongo stole that game, Oshie hand delivered the extra point to the Canucks like he was a double agent.
*Just my opinion, because as you know, I am a homer.
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Holy crap. Look at Rome!!- Sean Zandberg
Osh’s blunder isn’t all his fault. After he broke his stick, you can clearly hear the bench yelling “Osh! Osh!” and waving him over to grab a new stick. Not saying it wasn’t his fault, but the bench didn’t help him there one big. I saw him trying to wait for the correct moment to grab a stick but obviously he mistimed it.
also, and I do apologize for this
should you encounter any more Bruins fans toting out that asinine notion that AV uttered threats against he who’s nose shall not be spoken about, please cut and paste them this quote from Claude Julien last night:
Sometimes it comes with consequences, but at the end of the day, I think that everybody knows that if they’re going to cross the line with us, they’re going to have to face the music."
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Holy crap. Look at Rome!!- Sean Zandberg
Dun dun DUN!
The Oshie thing Kent, he was called to the bench. Not his fault at all. That one is on the coaches for yelling for him to get the stick. he was useless out there without it.
He whose nose… I like that. Cyrano -esque
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okay, then shift blame from him
to whoever called him on the bench. Doesn’t change the fact that it was INSANE to think that was okay.
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The thing that gets me the most about the bruins, more than anything else
are the double standards they think they are somehow entitled to
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by Canuckles on Jan 13, 2012 4:10 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Bobby Loo is underrated - let's keep it that way.
To say Luongo is overrated is in fact untrue, especially if you have been a Canucks fan for the last five years. It seems to have become a Canuck fan pastime to keep expecting him to lose. I dunno, maybe it’s some kind of group superstition we’ve established. As long as we keep our expectations low, he keeps winning. Even Shorthouse and Garret seem to be in on it, particularly Garret. He lauds Schneider’s performance at much higher decibels than he does for Roberto
Cheech
give a ton of love to Lui. He just treats him like the #1.
I am just fine with my self appointed position of Bishop of the 1st Church of Luongod.
I keep telling people that no one has been as statistically higher than him over the last 10 years. Thomas is marginally ( like, .01 on save % ) better right now, but he has done that for 5 years.
Team wins and team loses. I will forever say that about the 3 losses in Boston. Would he have wanted the first save, and maybe needed to play better? Absolutley. But goalies get hung out to dry in that regard, what with being the guy in the last line of defense.
The team was as much to blame for turning it into a shooting gallery in an 8 goal game.
Its why I get annoyed at the way he gets portrayed. Just today, Don and esp Barry were making all sorts of assumption about this and that to further goalie controversy. I get that, they have to have something to fill the show, and the talk from Teatown has finally died down to a dull roar.
But the lack of respect he gets in this town just sucks.
We want a Cup so bad, and have been disappointed too many times now ( a post in 94, and the home game in 11 ) that we always look for the negative, I guess.
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Goalies always get blamed more often, in any town. It’s a thankless job
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by Sean Zandberg on Jan 13, 2012 7:25 PM PST up reply actions
We want a Cup so bad, and have been disappointed too many times now ( a post in 94, and the home game in 11 ) that we always look for the negative, I guess.
I think that’s bang on. The fans come up empty every year, year after year. Especially now that we have a good team (why don’t we win? argh!!!!), and have passed 40 years cupless, people want a scapegoat. Someone to lay their frustrations on.
And it ties into the wider undercurrent of the Vancouver fanbase: pessimism. That part of the fans mind that says, “yeah, this is a good team, BUT”. Losing in the SCF after our best season in franchise history, and one of the better performances in league history, just exacerbates it. Especially since it seemed like people really allowed themselves to believe that our time had come last year. And then got burned (literally, heh). Luongo is the perfect foil since goalies tend to get blamed anyways.
The continents don't drift. They back away slowly from Ryan Kesler.
Part of the blame
Of the fan reaction has to put at the feet of the organization. They set him up as the sole leader of the team and put unrealistic expectations on one player. Which is one of the reasons why fans expect perfection from him, anything less he gets hounded and it’s completely unfair. Like VCD said he’s one of the most consistent goalies in the NHL and had expectations never reached the ridiculous levels they did fans might still appreciate him for the all world goalie he is.
by Canuckelhead on Jan 13, 2012 8:16 PM PST up reply actions
you mean it's unfair to expect
a goalie post a shutout and a gordie how hattrick every game? Stop talkin’ crazy talk foo!
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heheheh.
when i woke up and checked the blog, all the new comments were from you just minutes before.
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