AV and Gillis ; Gold Jerry, Gold!
I know that TEAM 1040 is infatuated with a Joey from Boston, as I write this, they are letting him hang himself once again. But I was more interested in the words of our coach and general manager earlier today. As we move on ( it was a gorgeous day riding the bike on the seawall, a "ten tanker day" actually...) I got to listen to both the interviews today. We take what we can get, and they get the guests!
A breakdown of all that, and no further mentions unless our management did after the break.
AV
Let's start with the coach. It is the first time he has been on since a certain saturday afternoon matinee that was obviously pretty enthralling. Here's the link...
The high points
- Hit on the fact that he is a positive guy, and would have enjoyed the All Star Game if he went, but that his parents are "getting older now", and that he may still be there in his hometown.
- Talked about how he is a fan of the game when he gets to watch the other teams...NHL is a great league...
- Listener question - went with Bieksa because he had been hounding him for being 4 for 5 in the lockout year. Reiterated the coin flip nature of the skills competition, and dropped the gem that Edler was the third shooter, and he might use him too at another time.
- Listener question - Talked about all the management guys that have input into trades, and dropped the gem that they are getting together next week later on.
- David Booth - "waiting for the nod", thought there was an outside chance for the Blues, we'll see tomorrow.
- On a "certain matinee" , asked about "what Burrows did" ( and Blake also a little shot of "talking a lot" ) "I think in intense games, shit happens, Alex was not happy about the slash earlier, and an "old fashioned melee" happened. talked about it in the context of "Shit Happens". Moving on...
- Sekeres, to his credit, at least said the BS he was espousing about Luongo not starting a certain matinee "Unlike you, I think Luongo is a great goaltender, it started a string of 4 in 6, It was a significant game but it was also Cory's hometown, and dropped the gem that Luongo and him talked before and that he was onboard with the start. A veiled shot at the "talk" could be had by Joey maybe, but it was a total team decision. Reminded everyone that he and Schneids are great friends. Next. Team First. ( translation, we have two great goalies and you don't ) Totally shot down Pierre McGuire's speculation on the idea of "saving Lui from Boston if we get to the Finals. AV really reminded me why I am a fan. I don't think the players forget a "player's coach" like him.
- Cody Hodgson - maybe another outright gem was how he talked of our 21 year old player. "Only going to get better". He understands where we are with Kes and Hank, "he is making the most of his minutes". He sounded very happy with Silent G, the follow up by Blake was great, learning that "we are looking at our team dynamics" as responding to the idea of him as a 3rd line center or the current second line winger. Gave even more to read between the lines with the nugget of the scouts and all management getting together. Like Kent has said, this team is "evolving". Rosterbation is sure to commence.
So, no shots, not even a denial of the question. The Burrows stuff that hit on it in a tangential way could only be read as positive. Who would not love a player like Alex MFing Burrows on their team right? Did not have to defend the "little wave", because it was, in the end, not that much.
Mike Gillis
The skinny
Our GM and President ( I think Alternate Governor is on the business card as well ) is a more cerebral guy when answering the questions of our local sports media. It gets construed as haughty, but I have always thought that unfair. he seems a pretty cerebral man. The same link above has his thrust and parry with Donny and B'Mac, here's the gist of it.
- Asked about "cottage country after playing "Bill Barilko" from the Hip. Yes, Muskoaka is cottage country...
- Thought the guys were "out of gas" in Florida, a "little better in Tampa", "we've played a lot of hockey". and referred to the emotion of the "certain matinee" as he said it is "not as bad as it seems"
- Mentioning the "anger", B'Mac asked about the matinee. GMMG - "the energy level was off the charts, clearly their fans were after a certain thing..." Talked about how they have learned to deal with certain situation and said the other team "played as well as in the Finals" and we won bitches. He was not as combative as that, but they all pay to win, so what else do we expect when we ask them about a win?
- Asked about, gooning it up basically, ( I hate the way Barry couches this. For one reason. No one knows what happens on the ice unless they are there. We all assume a ton as fans, and the media does the same, but, and I am going to assume right here, the way it happened afterwards, with the trainer coming over, and Zdeno Chara getting in front of Marchand when Henrik and Kesler went to him, I would bet big $$$ the referee right there said something to the effect of "he's fucking gone. You want to be gone too?" The guy was tossed. retribution will have to wait in that regard...)
Any how, Barry talks on of making other teams accountable. I do agree with that aspect. But the Canucks finish every check ( 24-17 in that matinee ), and while a goon is a debate for another time, and will alway have points on both sides. Here is how GMMG replied to the hyperbole for a "tooth for a tooth" - "I played the game, for Boston", and yes, there is some satisfaction in that, but we model our team after Detroit. Did drop the gem that they might be looking to change their makeup if they feel they need to, but talked of how his team "stood up to the crap". So, I am going to rosterbate right here. Corry Perry or David Backes (wishful thinking!) will be Canucks by the deadline. He did not sound too upset. He also corrected Donny about looking for more "balance" and not "toughness", and thought he had it addressed with the guys he brought in that are all hurt now.
- "Still looking at every avenue to improve this team". Excellent. I love that he moved on to talking about how guys that have different skills will get him more in the toughness regard. Talked about being confident in getting the officiating in the playoffs that we got on Saturday, talked about how the right call was made on Ratface, and flat out refused to talk about the suspension length. "He's a player on another team, they have to talk about it". Repeated the very same thing Valk said about hip checks, the disparity of size, but still thinks as long as its "hip on hip, its good".
- "Kinda shocked at some of the media response and their willingness to say some of the things they have said..." as he talked about playing in Boston and how the media has changed since then. Mentioned that he has not talked to Peter because he was not at the game, but we have talked since then. basically said "Shit Happens" again. Love it!
- The boys on the afternoon show know how their phone board lights up with talk like Joey from a certain tea hating town, but Gillis reminded everyone how we had a very hard and physical game against Detroit that was what he sees as the "future of hockey". " I don't know if it is good for hockey, the aftermath, but too highly skilled teams...blah blah blah...
- Left off with not liking "Tony's chances" when asked about that little passion play that played out.
So, he did address direct questions, but the tone and content was totally different than what we have heard elsewhere. Let us maybe do the same.
Great stuff from both of them. Honestly, it made me prouder of this team than that one. But hell, I am a Canuck fan. Barry is in my ear right now talking about "more TOUGHNESSSSSSS" He knows how that sells. I will be happy with trusting the guys that make those decisions.
Let the Rabble rabble rabble begin! Lots of Gold though to sift through for Canuck fans...and knowing that they might just be active at the deadline or earlier ( both guys alluded to that ) sure will get the rosterbation going.
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nice to see they've moved on
alas this will be the least reported aspect of the whole week concerning the Canucks.
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Well
we know which side ol JR is on. He buys into the “defensive hit” on Marchand. You do have to respect that he played a lot of years, maybe one of the best US players in his generation.
But he played a little like the man in question.
Oops….moving on…sorry….last one. I just heard it, and he was trying to say he did not know it was the same defenseman he engaged 15 seconds earlier.
Moving on…right.
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Thanks for the recap! Very detailed, and your observations were interesting.
I really like AV. He’s a great coach, and he’s personable. And most importantly, he seems to have a really good relationship with the players.
Meanwhile, here is an awesome quote from another GM.
"Yes, players dumb enough to participate in polls designed to crap on fellow NHLPA members are not very bright," Burke told the Toronto Star. "They can all go defecate in their chapeaus."
Well alright then…
The continents don't drift. They back away slowly from Ryan Kesler.
Thanks for the recap, some interesting bits in there.
I’ve been thinking about Alex Edler in the shootout lately. Remember these goals? http://bit.ly/AB74GK & http://bit.ly/zuKmmZ.
As for the toughness spiel that we’ve heard a million times, having 6’5" 215lb Byron Bitz on a 4th line with Weise and Malhotra would help in that regard. The problem is, when the forwards are healthy, I don’t see how we can fit him in. No one deserves to be scratched.
he did mention
how he thought he had that sussed with the guys ( Volpatti and Pinnizzotto, etc ) and that Bitz was working his way back.
It is a tired narrative. He hit several times on the Wings. I am OK with the team being tweaked in that regard if they think so, but there are only a few 4th liners who can REALLY play. The old 10 fights, 10 goals club. I read somewhere there are 7 of them ( Lappy just might be one this year ) from last year.
I am OK with everyone healthy and skilling teams to death…and carrying a guy that can go in on the dumbass games where there is someone that is going to be one.
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About the wings model
The one thing that no one ever talks about but it’s glaringly missing from the roster is a dman on the roster who might be the greatest of all time but is certainly a generational talent. All the talk of McCarthy or draper is a little misguided when you consider Lidstrrom is the biggest difference. Also, if finding a generational talent dman to anchor the back end is the model sign me up.
by Canuckelhead on Jan 11, 2012 9:20 PM PST up reply actions
When I think of Edler in a shootout all I can see happening is a stick breaking.
heh
By the way, you notice that is happening less to him lately?
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by Sean Zandberg on Jan 11, 2012 9:41 PM PST up reply actions
Bad batch of sticks?
I remember hearing a hit on the radio how he, after a stretch of them breaking, had a sitdown with a rep. Something about liking the flex but that batch broke more.
Stick guys got the message?
;-)
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Probably
Growing up, one of my friends dads was one the first to make a composite stick, the rattler, and he would cater to the Canucks players who used it, even if only in practice. So, I can’t imagine what a big company like Bauer etc. would be able to do.
by Canuckelhead on Jan 11, 2012 10:24 PM PST up reply actions
WHY NOT CALL IT ROUNDTINE?!
THE TIN IS ROUND
THE CUP IS ROUND
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jan 11, 2012 11:05 PM PST reply actions
Just sayin'...slightly O/T
with these “overrated lists” when you look at the numbers, the media sure gets a lot of narrative pumping goodness out of some pretty limited numbers.
The talked to 161 guys. Lets say that SI, a place known for hockey like Zune is known for music mobility, even talked to a few folks ( and Botch calls it the “TSN rule” here ) …but I would bet dollars to donuts its a few more of the respondents are from south of the 49th, and probably east of the Mississippi.
Even with that. Lets look at it. You can extrapolate on the numbers below by a factor of slightly over 4 to get to number that exists. Even if that is coarse, and ignores the bias pointed out above.
161 guys. The Top 5 are with the percentages are Neon Dion at 20%, which is 32 players. Thats a number. Perhaps there is something to what the wags have been saying, that it is more a “thought by players to be overpaid” list.
After Neon, it is Great 8. At 8%, that is what, roughly what. 12 people? Still looking eastern to me a bit though.
Who’s #3. Why, hello Scott Gomez. Players are cruel. It is another team on TSN, and a Canadian team like the leader. But thats cold. Dude is overrated for sure, but he has been injured most of the year. Still, he comes in at 6%. Under 10 damn people.
Of course, the Luongod. There you go TRADE LUONGOALZSSSSS folks. Or even if you are not one of those. It does look like maybe the wags have a point about the contracts being looked at by others ( maybe covetously?). Whatever your way of going, he got the same number as Scotty above.
After that, the last guy with a number is Dany “Live Fast” Heatley. Maybe the players aren’t so dumb after all! Still, thought more of than the best statistical goalie over the past 10 years ( yes, B fans, but Timmy has only done it at a minisculely more impressive number for half the time…fun with math. And spin!) 4% is what? My creakily old man math puts that at exactly 8 people.
Below that, the guys are just given where they ranked. Kovy, Vinnie L, J-Bow and Keslord. Another Canada based team ( the TSN effect again ) player, Komisarek ( another guy that has got “paid” ) rounds out the Top 10, with that Dirty Bastard Pronger, Jarome Iginla ( really guys? I can see bitching out Pronger, but Iggy? ) Semin ( sorry, no joke today), Joke-inen, and JovoCop round out the top 15. I guess poor Eddie Jo’ got painted with the “Blame Canada” brush.
Still, for all of them, by the time you get down to lower guys, you are probably into anywhere from about the 5 guys that Botch guessed at in the article for Kes, and extrapolate on the curve from there. Not that many, even if you do the factor of 4 thing.
I was surprised he is on the list more than Luongo, as he was on one of these things before, but like Burkey said, “players stupid enough to do this kind of survey about players can come tell Dion about it in Ottawa in two weeks, and kindly defecate in their chapeaus”. Seriously, I think that is almost verbatim.
Sometimes I like Burkey more and more!
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oh yeah
8 of the 15 guys are from the now 7 Canada based teams, or roughly a quarter of the teams.
Making up over 50% of the list.
Math is fun!
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