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Canucks At Lightning Recap ; Good Enough (5-4Ws/o)

As much as the other folks try to paint the Canuck fanbase as arrogant and haughty and whatever the hell else, in the end, we are a collection of fans that love our team, the same as anyone else. Its a pretty great team to enjoy watching, thats for sure. Skill, will, and guys throughout the lineup that can put the biscuit in the basket.

But there a a bunch of nerds here as well, and with the level of Gingers in the lineup reaching "Fellowship" levels, I thought I would take the opportunity to share one of my favorite scenes from the Return of The King. There are no Lightning players returning with the Canucks that I can think of though. Perhaps a fan or executive of a certain tea hating city can take offense at the Mouth of Sauron reference. ( Does Kesler look like Aragorn, or is that just me? Just me then...OK, moving on! )

You never know.

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1st period action

The opponent tonight has a bunch of the same elements that the Vancouver team has. Top goal scorer in the NHL, a passing wizard in Marty St Louis. The defense does not have the number of guys that jump up that we do, but they do just fine there. The big difference is the goaltending. More on that as we move along.

- Alain Vigneault likes Cody Hodgson, he really does! The armchair coaches must have loved seeing Ryan Kesler have the '08 #10 pick on his wing, with Raymond on the other. Yay, more minutes! That line got better as the night went on, but had no shots credited in the first. They were deployed against the St Louis and Stamkos show though, so that can be accepted.

- For my money though, one of the better lines for the visitors was the fourth line. Mike Duco and Dale Weise had less than two minutes in their four shifts each, but Dale had a shot, Manny was at 3:25 and 7 shifts, (but with 1:20 of that on the PK ) yet it has to be said. They were noticeable, and OK in their own end when caught out against some talented players after an icing.

- The Sedin line had an up and down night, but the 1st goal for the Canucks was quite efficient. Henrik Sedin wins the faceoff, Alex Sulzer sets up Alex Edler for the Bomb, and Burrows goes to the net. I don't think that Dwayne Roloson gets that one even with a better look, but that was very good execution.

- Honey Badger don't care if you only hold your stick with one hand Marty. Honey Badger don't give a shit about your whining. For all the talent that team has, the second goal in this game was all shorthanded hustle by Jannik Hansen, and some egregious play by almost everyone in the home sweaters. When your stick is knocked out of your grip that easily Marty, it will never be called. Perhaps you might want to stop the whine until after the play, and instead of slinking to your stick, get out on the one guy on the puck. Mind you, there were three other guys there. Hansen had an easy pass to Hamhuis, and an easy path to the rebound ( Roloson was giving up a ton of juicy rebounds all night ) as well. I still like you Marty, and you did fill up the scoresheet later ( 2 assists ), but that looked pretty bad on the 2-0 goal.

- Cory Schneider may be auditioning for Steve Yzerman. Or, he just did not want to let his fellow Gingers down. With some assistance from Ryan Kesler on the block (s?), check out this sequence form about the 40 second to the 1:05 mark of tonight's highlights. That is how you battle in the crease...the Lightning only had 7 shots in the first, and probably almost half of those in that one sequence. Well done Ginja Ninja.

2nd period drama

- Schneider kept it going early in the second with a beautiful save on Moore after Vinny Lecalvalier made a very slick set play to beat the Canuck best face off man Malhotra. It has to be said, I have no idea how come this team is struggling so much. perhaps it has to do with the iffy plays like the Marty one I detailed above, I don't know. I don't follow them enough. I do know that their big stars are very tough out there. It took a five man effort for the Canucks, and they did bend at times ( though, the OTHER team is talented too, right? ). Oh, and Ryan Malone. He had a very solid game. Maybe HE was auditioning for Mike Gillis up in the luxury box.

- Like I said, the Sedin line had an up and down game. They would have shifts where they had the territorial dominance, but not get a chance, or their blind passes would get stolen. It happened on the Bolts' 1st goal, when after a solid shift, they were caught out way too long, and unable to handle Ryan Malone going to the puck in the corner ( that was more the defenders, Ballard and Alberts both beaten to spots ) before Stamkos got to the net on Daniel and Ballard. I doubt that goal happens if they stay out a shorter shift and don't get caught against the best players for the other team. It was a long change, as a possibly weak excuse.

- The fourth line had their top line's back though, as just over two minutes later, some great work by that line restored the two goal lead. Their forecheck overwhelmed the players on the ice, Keith Ballard made a nice hold and got it to Mike Duco, and he did what the coaches always say. Got it to the net. Manny Malhotra took the inevitable rebound and made the defender look weak against Manny for his second goal in four games ( OK, the last one was an empty netter. ) I like when Manny gets points instead of % points in the F/O stats and nerd love in the Corsi and Fenwicks.

- Yet another iffy change led to the next goal in this back and forth match, as Gilroy made a nice pass up to Stamkos, who bolted in and was flat out robbed on the breakaway by Schneider. Kevin Bieksa and company were slow getting back on the rebound, and Vinny roofed it over a helpless GingerBricks.

- That goal should have given the home team a huge jump. It did not, for a couple of reasons. One, Alex Edler is a beast. He made a totally clean hit on Stamkos that had the wunderkind crumple. The puck up created a last second rush where everyone on the Kesler line touched the puck. The shot was saved, but the loose change was left on the doorstep by Rolie the Old Goalie. Kesler popped it home, but even though this goaltender gives up the extra chances, his defensemen did nothing to clear out the three guys in front. Momentum stolen away, and two goal lead restored.

3rd period comeback

- I get it. You are in your third game in four nights, the legs are burning. No amount of coach cajoling is going to prevent a team trying to sit on a lead sometimes. The Canucks had 4 shots in the third period though. That is a little too much of a shell. Credit the Bolts for their hard work and not giving up.

- Alexander Sulzer had a great night. He looked very good with Edler, and showed his smarts and German efficiency by twice, under heavy pressure, breaking it by using his hand to make the pass when his stick was taken away. But on the third goal for the home team, he was plain outmuscled by Steve Downie. Pavel Kubina made a nice rush, and Schneider made a great save with his shoulder, but there was not much he could do to prevent that goal. 1 assist, +1, 1 shot, 1 miss, 1 block in 26 shifts and 18:05 for Der German.

- The other team came on, and it was Cory Schneider barring the way, but with the goalie pulled, Ryan Malone scored a greasy, plain old time hockey goal. It was a great feed by St Louis that ticked off a defender's skate to give Malone the room to direct it in with his skate. Long time Canuck fans will recall it looked almost exactly like the goal that Mr Murphy disallowed on Daniel Sedin. But it was a good goal here. As it should be, neither one was kicked in. Bravo to the Bolts for getting the goal and getting it all the way back to even for the single point, but try not to be too mad at our guys. yes, we all agree they sat back too much. Shit happens.

O/T

- Honestly, this one surprised me. Usually, in a non conference 4 on 4, the chances come fast and furious. They did not here. The best chance for either team was Ryan Malone hitting a post. Mr Brewer almost gave it up early with a dumb reactionary penalty after Ryan Kesler flat out owned him in the offensive zone, taking the puck away with ease. The grab was selfish, and it almost cost his team, as there was 39 seconds left for the 4 on 3 power play.

- Daniel Sedin was set up twice, but missed the net once, and was blocked the second time to bring the actual hockey playing to an end.

S/O

- Ginja Ninja was awesome, robbing Malone with the glove, and giving Stamkos the five hole and then taking it away to seal the deal. Vancouver? AV threw everyone a curve by sending out Kevin Bieksa first, who was saved, before Mason Raymond ended it with the spinneroonie. No word if Booker T was in the house, or if he has now used it 5 times, 5 times, 5 times!

Some numbers for fun

- After leading the f/o stat 12-9 after one, the Bolts made it 21 each after two, before the Lightning came back to edge that category at 36-34. The hits were much the same, as after leading that one 11-8, the game ended with the tally at 27 each. It was a close enough game, but here are a few of my stat lines of the night ;

- Alex Edler had a goal, 2 shots ( 1 miss ), with 3 blocks and 5 hits ( including that cruncher on Stamkos that I would bet money made him look for #23 for the rest of the night. )

- Maxim Lapierre had only 1 shot and 2 hits in his 15:24 TOI. But he was huge in the circle, winning 10 of 14 draws on a line with Hansen and Higgins.

So, on to the Blues on Thursday. I am waiting to find out about the Thornton / Tony Gallagher dustup that is all over Twitter. I wish we could talk about the great story of the Blues instead, but these folks in Boston just won't let it go. I don't know the details, but how tough is that guy huh? Tony is almost 65 years old!

Fucking Mordor.

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Shawn Thornton vs, Tony G

Off topic I know..but it’s a gem

“Thornton lays smackdown on Canucks columnist”
http://www.csnne.com/pages/v11_landingblog_bruins?blockID=628832

"Either you give it right back or the next thing you know everyone and his brother will be trying you on for size." - Doug Harvey

by reggiedunlop on Jan 10, 2012 9:35 PM PST reply actions  

not off at all!

its at the bottom of this story as a refer…thanks for the link!

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by vancitydan on Jan 10, 2012 9:47 PM PST up reply actions  

That show looks custom-built for the “I went to see the fight and a hockey game broke out” crowd.

"Either you give it right back or the next thing you know everyone and his brother will be trying you on for size." - Doug Harvey

by reggiedunlop on Jan 10, 2012 10:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Exactly

Could they have chosen a bigger doofus for a host? I would have loved to smack that smirk off his face when he suckered TG with the fact Thornton was on the phone.

by Canuckelhead on Jan 10, 2012 10:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Did someone call for a...


Bigger doofus?

"Either you give it right back or the next thing you know everyone and his brother will be trying you on for size." - Doug Harvey

by reggiedunlop on Jan 10, 2012 10:29 PM PST up reply actions  

A bit frustrating...

If only Thorton was debating someone just a little quicker on their feet than TG.

by FormerHab on Jan 10, 2012 9:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Not fair

They spring him on TG and then cut him off. I thought he handled it all pretty well.

by Canuckelhead on Jan 10, 2012 10:18 PM PST up reply actions  

I dunno

I kind of thought Thornton kind of won that discussion, regards the Wiese bit anyway. Which isn’t really surprising as what Wiese did was really pretty bush.

The 6-on-1 thing is getting old though. You’re paid for a specific job, buddy, and people who do that job get gang-tackled sometimes. Quit whining about it, cash your paycheck and thank whatever higher entity you believe in that you’re not working the door at some nightclub somewhere.

Much as I hate to admit it, he did have a nice goal on the penalty shot tonight. Which is why he’s not working the door at some nightclub somewhere.

by pheenster on Jan 10, 2012 10:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Gah

Weise.

I before E, except after W.

by pheenster on Jan 10, 2012 10:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Won the discussion?

He lied about something TG couldn’t possibly look up (he’s never even fought three times in a game, let alone a period) than the blowhard host cut him off just when he’s getting his bearings after being blindsided.

by Canuckelhead on Jan 10, 2012 10:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Here's thorntons fight stats

Easy to win an argument if you just lie with the assumption no one will check. But guess what squarehead, there’s a little something called the Internet. http://www.hockeyfights.com/players/299

by Canuckelhead on Jan 10, 2012 10:40 PM PST up reply actions  

re: Weise

Don’t know if you’ve read this, but it confirms what I saw that night:
http://blogs.vancouversun.com/2012/01/09/cowards-in-boston-fact-or-fiction/

by Daoust501 on Jan 10, 2012 10:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Totally agree

Although the mcquaid thing is a kinda lame excuse. He just shouldn’t have fought Thornton. End of story. He was under no obligation. His only fault was goading him after they skated away from the circle but it’s very forgivable. The thing that reeks here is the Boston “journalists” playing up this story and now Thornton lying to try and prove a point that doesn’t even deserve to be discussed in the first place.

by Canuckelhead on Jan 10, 2012 11:12 PM PST up reply actions  

We can’t be using the “he fought once already, that’s why he can’t go again in the same period”, if he wanted to fight McQuaid. To me, I can’t care less if he fights a second time or not, but it matters to me WHO he fights. If he fights McQuaid, he takes away 1 of their D. If he fights Thronton, he achieves nothing. I can understand it under that perspective, if he turned down Thornton for that reason, especially if Thornton jumps in. He’s under no obligation to fight Thornton, but Weise should have just said no. No need to get Thornton to drop’em, and then back off after.

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by Vancouverguy on Jan 11, 2012 10:03 AM PST up reply actions  

there is your first mistake my friend

thinking the fight could be won. That was sandbagging of the highest order. They had Thornton in another studio and linked him in.

That takes a fair bit of planning in broadcasting terms.

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by vancitydan on Jan 10, 2012 10:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Sandbagging!

THAT was the word I was looking for

by Canuckelhead on Jan 10, 2012 11:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Wow

I think I just got gang-tackled. :)

Yes, it was a total sandbag. It still came across like a lot of piping from TG. Why the hell he was criticizing Weise (got it right that time) for fighting Horton is beyond me (and that happened before they sprang Thornton on him). History of concussion? WTF is that all about? Horton was looking for trouble from the puck drop.
Yes, Thornton might be lying about the three times in a period thing. It could also have happened in junior. For the love of God, don’t make me defend this guy.
Yes, I’ve read about the McQuaid thing.The only things I’m sure of are a) only the guys on the ice know what really happened, b) it looked terrible, and c) the only people who are going to subscribe to the McQuaid thiing are Canucks fans. And not all of them..
And yes, the host was most definitely a blowhard.

by pheenster on Jan 10, 2012 11:33 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree it looked bad

And as I said above I agree about the mcquaid thing being a pretty hole filled excuse. Im pretty sure overall TG was defending Weise for not having to fight out of his weight class especially given the fact that he’d already fought. The Horton stuff was odd tho.

by Canuckelhead on Jan 10, 2012 11:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Dunno about weight class

ESPN has them within 7 pounds of each other. Fighting ability, no doubt. Thornton would have cleaned his clock. Totally agree with you that Weise shouldn’t have fought him. I just really didn’t like that little move towards him and then backing away. No way was there any confusion about McQuaid at that point.

Regards the Horton stuff, pretty sure he was tailoring his comments to his audience. Those guys do that when they do a guest hit on another city’s talk radio/TV/whatever.

by pheenster on Jan 11, 2012 12:05 AM PST up reply actions  

I didn't like the move either

and even if there was confusion if you’ve got enough energy left to fight McQuaid than you have enough to fight Thornton. He just didn’t want to fight Thornton and he backed out in a crappy way. Those are the facts, it happens all the time and it’s not really a big deal. This interview is what has me back in this stupid Boston fray. They sandbag him, than lie to destroy his points and make him look bad. Then, just when he’s getting his bearings they “dismiss” him. It was bush league and the fact that Thornton just throws out a lie out there with that smug look on his face infuriates me. Even if he did fight multiple guys in JR (which I doubt) that’s not the professional hockey, I mean he coulda been fighting 15 year olds literally, and that’s not what the implication was.

by Canuckelhead on Jan 11, 2012 12:15 AM PST up reply actions  

So apparently

I owe Mr. Weise an apology. PITB has the details, but Marchand has essentially said that Thornton tried to ambush Weise.

So Dale, um, my apologies for calling your honour into question and all that. My bad.

by pheenster on Jan 11, 2012 11:26 PM PST up reply actions  

I don’t understand the Horton thing either. Horton was stirring shit up all game, and he wanted to go. It wasn’t as if Weise suckered him or anything. I don’t care if the guy has a concussion or not, if he’s on the ice, and wants to go, he’s fair game.

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by Vancouverguy on Jan 11, 2012 10:04 AM PST up reply actions  

lol

that whole site is ridiculous. I’ve never seen such a deluded bunch of crap from a supposedly unbiased network page. Read some of the articles there. It’s amazing that these people actually seem to believe the bs they spew. The bruins are one fucked up organization…it’s like all the biggest douchebags from high school run the show there…

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by Twitchy2010 on Jan 10, 2012 11:34 PM PST up reply actions  

ridiculous is right

On what planet does a guy not-fighting equal the wrongness of a dirty hit that causes a head injury? These two things are not on the same level.

I can’t decide if the way they bring up Weise’s non-fight every time Marchand’s guilt comes up should be offensive to us (it suggests Sami’s injury is trivial), or just embarrassing for them (it really shows how manic and paranoid some people have become over there).

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by Pseuccubus on Jan 11, 2012 7:24 AM PST up reply actions  

FFS

What are the Bruins and their fans so terrified about? Why are they so obssessed with us? No “champian” acts like this without being really, really afraid of something.

"You don’t have a right to the cards you believe you should have been dealt. You have an obligation to play the hell out of the ones you’re holding." - Sugar at The Rumpus
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by Pseuccubus on Jan 10, 2012 9:53 PM PST up reply actions  

That one win, combined with the suspension, destroyed an important part of Boston’s psyche. They’re crumbling. Losing it.

Like, media, GM, coach, players, fans… everyone. It’s bizarre.

by Wisp on Jan 10, 2012 11:39 PM PST up reply actions  

classic busted bully

when the Earl McFly knocked out Biff it turned biff into a short fat guy washing cars. I’d suggest the bruins fear this future.

"Planet Earth is blue, and there's nothing I can do."
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by Twitchy2010 on Jan 10, 2012 11:41 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Haha

And they went from league darlings to villains in what must seem like one game to them “but they’re the bad guys. Don’t you all see? It’s them!!!!”

by Canuckelhead on Jan 10, 2012 11:53 PM PST up reply actions  

yep

I said a few days ago they remind me of the weasel gang in The Warriors in the scene on the beach…

“nnooooooooo it was the Warriors Canucks…”

;-)

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by vancitydan on Jan 11, 2012 12:05 AM PST up reply actions  

League Darlings?

We have the same dust up with Montreal and Buffalo every time we play them. 12 games a year.

Fair to say we have our share of foes. :)

by 13_Legion on Jan 11, 2012 8:14 AM PST up reply actions  

are you saying

your team has this hugely disproportionate response every single time they lose? Wow.

"You don’t have a right to the cards you believe you should have been dealt. You have an obligation to play the hell out of the ones you’re holding." - Sugar at The Rumpus
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by Pseuccubus on Jan 11, 2012 8:33 AM PST up reply actions  

No, see, that would require us actually losing to them.

I meant, the endless banter about “goons”

You haven’t stumbled across anything the Northeast Division hasn’t been yelling back and forth at each other over for years.

Take the 2 points, and if the gods are kind, we’ll see you in June.

by 13_Legion on Jan 11, 2012 8:55 AM PST up reply actions  

no offense to you personally

because you have been cool…but if this is the level of butthurt that happens from one controversial loss

( and I do have friends in Montreal, and get the reference…) FTR, they have never seen you guys at this level of angst over a loss. Even to Montreal. The back and forth over the playoffs, maybe, but a regular season game without a neck getting broken or something like that.

Have to say, I got a call congratulating me ( why? I did nothing) on the way it keeps coming up back there, they are enjoying the shadenfreude greatly!

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Writer at Nucks Misconduct

by vancitydan on Jan 11, 2012 9:12 AM PST up reply actions  

They got short memories! :)

Like I said man, nothing personal to me, and no one I talk hockey with in real life is that annoyed. Most were expecting 3 games, but none of us feel that we’ll go worse than 4-1 in this frame of games, so we hope it’s a lesson for Marchand.

Glad the Habbies have something to be happy about. How many more days until they fire the Anglophile coach?

by 13_Legion on Jan 11, 2012 9:25 AM PST up reply actions  

its the three days after

that we find so amusing 13…that and ambushing a 65 year old man so that the enforcer can score points on TV with the fanbase.

That was a bit much. To that, embarrassing even. We are having fun with it at this point.

search #SThorntonTales on Twitter to see what I mean.

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Writer at Nucks Misconduct

by vancitydan on Jan 11, 2012 9:31 AM PST up reply actions  

I’m still too much in awe that I saw him score on a penalty shot last night at the Garden to move onto anything else.

by 13_Legion on Jan 11, 2012 9:35 AM PST up reply actions  

I find it amusing

that you keep bringing up TG’s age. I mean, they weren’t actually fighting physically, right? It seems TG should have had the edge in a debate, even if it was an ambush.

As soon as they surprised him with Thornton, TG should have said something like “I refuse to engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent.” and hung up.

by FormerHab on Jan 11, 2012 10:21 AM PST up reply actions  

sorry

old fashioned. i was taught that being older meabt something more than you are ready for the home!

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by vancitydan on Jan 11, 2012 10:32 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm not talking about the endless banter about goons

And you’re well aware of that.

If you want to talk about that, answer to the other comments first. You know, the ones about your team, media, & some fans overreacting in a cowardly, frantic, and hysterical way to one midseason loss.

You should be embarrassed.

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by Pseuccubus on Jan 11, 2012 9:16 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm terribly ashamed.

I’ve actually been wearing torn rags and been dumping ashes over myself outside the Garden every day since the hit, begging the organization to change its ways.

Not a big following yet though, just some of the bums hanging around North Station.

by 13_Legion on Jan 11, 2012 9:27 AM PST up reply actions  

You need

to lay hands on a few more.

Heal something. Maybe start walking everywhere with 12 friends

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by vancitydan on Jan 11, 2012 9:32 AM PST up reply actions  

I should probably grow out the hair too.

by 13_Legion on Jan 11, 2012 9:36 AM PST up reply actions  

More evasion!

How unsurprising. Welp, carry on then.

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by Pseuccubus on Jan 11, 2012 9:36 AM PST up reply actions  

We are in their heads, because they know that they HAVE to beat us if we end up in a SCF rematch this year.

Clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose.

by Jevant on Jan 11, 2012 5:37 AM PST up reply actions  

That is a pretty big if. Boston fans, the team, and the organization still not doubt like our chances in a 7 game series. Bobby Lou will HAVE to play some of those games…….

by 13_Legion on Jan 11, 2012 8:11 AM PST up reply actions  

Although my comment was slightly tongue in cheek, didn’t Lou put up a couple of 1-0 wins in that series?

If Thomas can hold the Canucks to 8 goals over 7 games again, good on him. I don’t see that happening.

Clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose.

by Jevant on Jan 11, 2012 8:38 AM PST up reply actions  

Indeed.

I’ll concede that, can’t argue stats.

I’d like it even more if we had the home ice though.

by 13_Legion on Jan 11, 2012 8:57 AM PST up reply actions  

You're not gonna have to worry about it

Boston doesn’t get outta the second round. Let alone beat the rangers. I can’t believe you’re on here trying to convince people that this is how Boston reacts to losses to rivals all the time. Why not enjoy it for the rarity it is?I’ve never seen anything like it, both fan bases talking about a regular season game days after its over and even after other games and stories have happened. If you don’t see it’s uniqueness than your heads in the sand.

by Canuckelhead on Jan 11, 2012 9:53 AM PST up reply actions  

Boston vs NY is epic. I wouldn’t fancy potentially going through Winnepeg or Pitt (if they hold on, especially if they get Neal/Letang and/or Crosby back) , Philly and then NYR to get to the finals.

Although we won’t get an easy road either, LA/Chicago/Sharks would be a hell of a road…..

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by Vancouverguy on Jan 11, 2012 10:10 AM PST up reply actions  

How are you figuring I"m trying to convince you this is how they always react?

by 13_Legion on Jan 11, 2012 10:53 AM PST up reply actions  

Cause of this
We have the same dust up with Montreal and Buffalo every time we play them. 12 games a year. Fair to say we have our share of foes. :)

and this

You haven’t stumbled across anything the Northeast Division hasn’t been yelling back and forth at each other over for years.

by Canuckelhead on Jan 11, 2012 10:57 AM PST up reply actions  

Another argument, that was just bringing up goon talk over and over.

by 13_Legion on Jan 11, 2012 10:58 AM PST up reply actions  

I’ve stated before that it is very much the fact that Vancouver is involved that is causing this uproar. An inch will never be given.

by 13_Legion on Jan 11, 2012 10:56 AM PST up reply actions  

It's crazy

From both sides. At first I was annoyed that it was still being talked about but now it’s gone so far that it’s come back around for me. It’s interesting to see how long this could possibly go on for. I just saw on twitter that Marchand is talking about the fact that Weise was in fact jawing with McQuiad and Thornton stepped in so apparently it’s got some legs still.

by Canuckelhead on Jan 11, 2012 11:00 AM PST up reply actions  

Within a few minutes of the game starting

it was pretty obvious that both team’s pre-game spin “just another 2 points” was BS.

Clearly Boston really wanted to win this rematch and they didn’t which pissed them off to a degree that no one expected.

On the other hand, the narrative that somehow the Canucks were incredibly tough and and made some kind of major “statement” and are now in the heads of the team, blah blah blah doesn’t hold much water for me.

13 is right – it’s the fact that it was Vancouver that caused this uproar. Boston loves the “Everyone Hates the Canucks” narrative so much. They seem shocked that
(a) they lost a game to Vancouver, and what’s worse,
(b) they ended up losing the PR war to Vancouver.

by FormerHab on Jan 11, 2012 11:10 AM PST up reply actions  

and..without sounding too homerish

© Vancouver showed that the Big Bad Bruins can be beat if you just treat them like all bullies. Don’t back down and look them in the eye.

It was more than 2 points in that regard. For the Canucks as much as anyone else. It requires a good PP, but they can be ( pretty easily, actually) taken off their game.

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by vancitydan on Jan 11, 2012 11:21 AM PST up reply actions  

We did start the season 3-7-0 though, so it’s a number of things. Boston has not won by just bullying, and few teams get through their skin. You guys managed to do it, and they were taken off the game they’ve been playing for two months.

Which really makes me wish we’d play again, and especially in a series, as I can’t see that strategy working more than once. Boston plays more cool and collected, you don’t get 11 PP opportunities. (Not too sound too homerish, and I’m not poking fun).

by 13_Legion on Jan 11, 2012 11:27 AM PST up reply actions  

Agreed

Although I think the not backing down and looking them in the eye thing is being overstated. I’d rather they just play their game, forget all the bs and be sure to capitalize on the pp. they very nearly got dragged in the mud and probably would have lost had marchand not upped the ante.

by Canuckelhead on Jan 11, 2012 11:28 AM PST up reply actions  

well

it is because they had to CH. We know which team has the tougher and “thuggery” guys.

For all the hate they get, Lappy and Burr are guys that will fight on occasion too, but our guys ( and Duco is another in training ) get you off your game and onto the power play.

There was NOT 11 PP opportunities 13. Not to be a nitpicker about it, but there was 7 opportuinities. The Bruins had an almost identical amount of PP time. The Canucks had a 5 man and a two man advantage, of course, but that is just the way that shit gets tallied, and it is another misconception about Game 42 of 82.

I don’t think it can be overstated when one of the more prime narratives that was (perhaps wrongly) beat to a pulp in the Finals and the aftermath is shattered though…

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by vancitydan on Jan 11, 2012 11:46 AM PST up reply actions  

but there was 7 opportuinities.

8 i believe, but still that ‘11 pp’s the refs hate us’ narrative is so funny.

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by Twitchy2010 on Jan 11, 2012 12:06 PM PST up reply actions  

7

the 2 man counts as two, but there was only two minutes to it, right?…and the only reason the major counted as 3 was because thats how they do it when you score, and the team got two goals on that one.

It is funny though right? Every damn media guy there as used “11 PPs mean they hate us”…

Meh.

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by vancitydan on Jan 11, 2012 12:36 PM PST up reply actions  

oh i see

u counted the 2 man as one pp… got it.

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by Twitchy2010 on Jan 11, 2012 1:20 PM PST up reply actions  

the NHL calls it 2

but it is two minutes with two men down.

The time is the same, just the manpower is different. That one can go either way. We did have a slight advantage there…

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by vancitydan on Jan 11, 2012 1:30 PM PST up reply actions  

They had to?

I don’t think them getting involved after the whistle helped them one bit. In fact, I think it distracted the Sedins. If the Canucks allow games get dragged into the ditches they are going to lose more games than they win that’s just not what they are built for. They won that game because they took advantage of the power play not for some perceived standing up for themselves.

by Canuckelhead on Jan 11, 2012 1:55 PM PST up reply actions  

and

If were comparing the difference between the finals and that game, which is a slippery slope. But if you are the difference is goal scoring. The rest is just macho bs.

by Canuckelhead on Jan 11, 2012 1:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Mouth of Sauron is an epic scene.

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by missy on Jan 10, 2012 9:44 PM PST reply actions  

whoa lol

the Northwest standings area of the front page is broken

it says the Wild are in first with 31pts and Van is second with 27 0.o

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by BW79 on Jan 10, 2012 9:53 PM PST reply actions  

You forgot… while Campbell is involved in the NHL, you lose points for beating Boston

by andrew21nz on Jan 10, 2012 9:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Take the tinfoil off man, Shanahan didn’t put that beast to bed for you?

by 13_Legion on Jan 11, 2012 9:01 AM PST up reply actions  

Instead

of writing a lot more words, I could have just waited and copied Schneider’s comment about the third period

“Maybe we got a little passive and sat back a bit, but we were really trying to get them to to the outside. They’re really good at getting to the net and lot of their goals are from the crease or right around the crease. They do a great job getting into position and putting pucks at the net and see what happens.”

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by vancitydan on Jan 10, 2012 10:55 PM PST reply actions  

WTF, i thought i had every scene,version,cut,blueray ect of the LOTR, I feel slighted,lacking and a need for some Mead to think this out.

You need to be more specific, all those names can mean so many things.

by kengineer on Jan 10, 2012 11:01 PM PST reply actions  

It is different

from the one in the movie…I do love it for the Youtubeness of finding something new, and the chopping off of the head too…

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by vancitydan on Jan 10, 2012 11:27 PM PST up reply actions  

eh?

it was the same scene in the movie…maybe u were so amazed at the awesomeness of the film u missed it or something.

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by Twitchy2010 on Jan 10, 2012 11:39 PM PST up reply actions  

or maybe

i just watched all the additional discs…now ima have to watch the whole series again…

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by Twitchy2010 on Jan 10, 2012 11:47 PM PST up reply actions  

to be honest

I remember the head and thought he was saying its new.

I have seen the movies lots but a long time ago, and keep up on it with Youtube sessions when I feel the need.

So I don’t know WTF I am saying, basically.

Still want to see Tom Bombadil…was he on any extended version I missed?

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by vancitydan on Jan 11, 2012 12:04 AM PST up reply actions  

no

They never did anything with him in the films, sadly, but they did have a scene in Fangorn (in the extended edition) where a tree captured Merry & Pippin like happened in the Old Forest, and Treebeard sings one of Tom’s songs.

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by Pseuccubus on Jan 11, 2012 7:29 AM PST up reply actions  

Bombadil never made it into the movies.
mainly because that part would’ve made the movie way too long for no special reason.

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by missy on Jan 11, 2012 10:07 PM PST up reply actions  

no, it would be the same as in the movie.
it’s just that the whole scene itself was only in the extended cut.
theatre cut only opened the Black Gate once, to let all the orcs out of Mordor for that final battle.

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by missy on Jan 11, 2012 10:09 PM PST up reply actions  

thats right
I thought I saw it...it was in the DVD weekend of nerd a few years back!

lol

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by vancitydan on Jan 11, 2012 10:29 PM PST up reply actions  

the 2nd week of my Christmas holidays in grade 7 was spent reading the entire trilogy.
i tried reading it before the movie came out, but couldn’t make sense of what the characters were supposed to look like. (thought hobbits were like hares, and Gandalf was short….). after i finally saw the first movie, the book made much more sense.
a few years down the road, i also read The Hobbit and the Silmarillion. i’ve watched the movies millions of times.

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by missy on Jan 11, 2012 10:33 PM PST up reply actions  

wow!

The 2nd week of the Christmas holidays in 7th grade was when I first read the trilogy too! My mom’s boss had given her the boxed set, and there was no way she was going to read nerd books like that, so she passed them on to me.

Of course, this was considerably before there were any actual movies. ;)

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by Pseuccubus on Jan 11, 2012 11:34 PM PST up reply actions  

its funny

For me, it was close, and WAY before the movies. In our rural school curriculum, in Grade 5/6 we had a split class room ( just numbers of kids that year in Revelstoke that year, I guess ) and one of the class aspects was in the library with reading and with that, a teacher reading to the class.

She started with the Hobbit, and I asked for the story after that and was handed this three book set that took a couple months to read and get the gist of it.

I read them many, many more times after that as a kid and teenager. I think Tolien might have been the best writer I have known ( Frank herbert is good too ) at painting a visual picture with words.

Loved it.

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by vancitydan on Jan 12, 2012 1:14 AM PST up reply actions  

OT: Friedman's 30 Thoughts
14. Sometimes you forget about this, but Buffalo’s actual cash payroll is close to $80 million for this season. (That includes Shaone Morrisonn in the AHL and whatever they’re contributing to Ales Kotalik overseas.) No wonder Terry Pegula is so frustrated.

For that roster? Yeesh.

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by raincity on Jan 11, 2012 12:01 AM PST reply actions  

Need to change something. They are only 5 points out, so it’s not inconceivable to climb back. Miller’s struggles after the Lucic hit is hard to watch, and their scorers aren’t scoring, and their D isn’t as good as they expect. Regehr’s sturggled, Myers isn’t dominant, and Ehrhoff isn’t scoring. That’s not good.

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by Vancouverguy on Jan 11, 2012 10:12 AM PST up reply actions  

and Ehrhoff isn’t scoring. That’s not good.

Correction: .and Ehrhoff isn’t scoring. That’s not VERY good.

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by AttilaS on Jan 11, 2012 10:33 AM PST up reply actions  

didn’t Ehrhoff injure himself recently?

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by missy on Jan 11, 2012 10:09 PM PST up reply actions  

2pts

No question they didn’t bring their ‘A’ game last night. But in the end they were playing a rested, hungry team that was 11-5 at home with potential to score big and somehow still pulled out 2pts on the second night of a back-to-back. I’ll take it and move on to the big tilt in Stl.

by ORD Nucklehead on Jan 11, 2012 7:59 AM PST via mobile reply actions  

Yeah

we got away with two points there. Tampa deserved it better, but you need to get lucky sometimes.

Man, those Lightning can play some good hockey. I’m surprised that they are struggling. – well, they just need a goalie and should do fine.

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by AttilaS on Jan 11, 2012 10:35 AM PST up reply actions  

Does Alberts actually do anything? Everytime they pass the puck back to the point and Alberts is shooting it’s pretty much guaranteed that the puck will not be going in the net. Rome in over Alberts, please.

by marcness52 on Jan 11, 2012 12:47 PM PST reply actions  

Rome’s hurt or I’m sure he would be. Well first Sulzer and Ballard but then Alberts for sure.

by Canuckelhead on Jan 11, 2012 1:57 PM PST up reply actions  

The only positive thing I can see about dressing Alberts is that he has the ability to hit guys since he’s big but I almost never see him do that at all. I haven’t really see him do anything other than be completely ineffective offensively.

by marcness52 on Jan 11, 2012 2:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Come on fellows

some love for Big Al.

He has his limitations, but he is pretty good in his own end, in particular on the penalty kill.

Yes, he does do something. I like his game, and though I respect wanting more out of our 6-7-8 defender, I do find it interesting that we always seem to get on the guys with the least amount of time.

Bieksa? I love him. But, in this game for instance, he was not as good as Alberts was.

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by vancitydan on Jan 11, 2012 5:37 PM PST up reply actions  

I also don’t mind Alberts. He’s what you want for a #6/7 d-man.

I’d rather complain about Ballard and his lack of offense and very average play that costs $4.2M.

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by cyxj on Jan 11, 2012 7:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Lack of offense?

What do you expect from our 7th dman on the depth chart according to the coach? Your problem here is either with GMMG or AV, not Ballard.

by Canuckelhead on Jan 11, 2012 8:58 PM PST up reply actions  

I don’t think he’s that great in his own end. He’s brought in to basically do one thing and that’s be physical and I haven’t really seen it out of him.

by marcness52 on Jan 11, 2012 8:26 PM PST up reply actions  

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