We should trade for Suter or Weber.
by westy99 on Jan 10, 2012 7:50 PM PST
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PrintIn response to Beantown Canuck's fanshot I have this idea. I will be called an idiot or a genius. It will depend on your view of what the Canucks may need.
I disagree with the idea of trading CoHo due to the fact in my scenario we will need him to center the second line.Because I want to trade Kesler for either Weber or Suter this summer. Preferably Suter as I think he will come at a cheaper than Weber and I would prefer a stay at home type player.
The Vancouver Canucks have never had a number one d-man and this maybe their chance. And let's face it, the Canucks defense core is filled with second and third pair players who do a great job. But to have that number one guy would be great.
To lose Kesler would be tough, I know....I know. But to be able to get that d-man we are going to have to dangle someone who is not only good but can free up some cap space. Of course this would be a sign and trade by Nashville. I love Kesler but we are going to lose some of the supporting guys in the next two years who maybe as a whole more valuable than one singular player......and we get a number one d-man.
Of course I also think a lockout is coming so all of this fantasy is for nothing.
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Apparently
and this was just according to Botch in the province chat deal so maybe he was messing with people. But he said “Raymond, Ballard and a third is the word” to get Weber. I agree he’s exactly what we need but giving up Kesler is a bit of cutting off your nose to…give you…two…eyes(?). Anyway you get the point. Suddenly the Canucks would have great D but be thin at the all important center position.
if Raymond Ballard and a 3rd is all it takes to get Weber… i think it gets done yesterday…..That doesn’t seem a lot to give up, albeit there’s no guarantee he re-signs…
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by Vancouverguy on Jan 10, 2012 10:30 PM PST up reply actions
and foiled by the lawyer again. Bane of my existance, for sure.
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by Vancouverguy on Jan 10, 2012 10:31 PM PST up reply actions
If that's true
Gillis should pull the trigger on that deal immediately. Like right now.
Which is why it’s probably not true.
Yeah
You’re right that’s too good to be true. I only thought it might be true if the preds knew they couldn’t sign him so people were trading for a rental. That’s a lot to give up for a rental.
by Canuckelhead on Jan 10, 2012 8:46 PM PST up reply actions
weber wouldn't be a rental
because he’s an RFA at the end of the year
Suter, on the other hand, could potentially be
by Beantown Canuck on Jan 10, 2012 8:54 PM PST up reply actions
Damn you botch!
He’s just messing with gullible dudes like me. You’re right I’d forgotten that Suter is the ufa. That’s a lot to give up for Suter as a rental tho. I guess if you look at Ballard as unloading…
by Canuckelhead on Jan 10, 2012 9:00 PM PST up reply actions
Hmmmm
Good point re: the rental. It is a lot to give up. That scenario would require some further reflection. One thing though: as much as I think Ballard has improved this year, he’s still awfully expensive at 4 million big ones. Clearing that cap space might be worth it. I guess it depends how the organization view him right now.
westy, your idea has merit
but I may have misunderstood your poll
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Sorry, no.
I would absolutely never trade Kesler in a million years, probably not in any circumstance ever.
That is ridiculous homerism. Each and everyone has a price. I’m just not sure it’s justifiable to trade Kesler to get Suter or Weber. I’d probably trade Kesler for Stamkos or Giroux or Sid in a heartbeat.
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by Vancouverguy on Jan 11, 2012 10:30 AM PST up reply actions
Sid?
He might never play again so I don’t know if I like that trade.
by Canuckelhead on Jan 11, 2012 10:41 AM PST up reply actions
Maybe Giroux, but that’s never going to happen anyways.
Stamkos is great, but he doesn’t provide the same stuff as Kesler does. IMO, Kesler is as good of a 2-way forward as anybody in the league, excepting Zetterberg and Datsyuk. Both of whom are older than Kesler. So, no, not really ridiculous homerism. And who knows about Sid, I’d rather the Kesler we know than the Sid we don’t.
by RogerFenway on Jan 11, 2012 11:48 AM PST up reply actions
Fair...
I’m just trying to say everyone has his value, not trying to bash you there, Roger.
I’d still take Sid, if all it took was Kesler…. I’ll take my chances. He’s a one of a kind talent, that embodies the heart of Kesler, with legitimate 120point potential.
And Stamkos is pretty much a regular 50 goal scorer. He doesn’t give you the grit/feistiness, but when you have 2 defensively oriented centers in Malhotra/Lappy behind him, it’s not like we have a steep drop off in terms of defensively-minded centers.
But, I certainly see where you’re going… I’ve just seen enough players who I thought would stay with my team forever, and then got them taken from me. Those scars hurt for a long time.
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by Vancouverguy on Jan 11, 2012 1:41 PM PST up reply actions
People need to start coming to terms with the fact that Crosby may never play again and even if he does he might never be the same. He wouldn’t be the first athlete to have their careers cut short by injury but it would be one of the saddest from a fans perspective.
by Canuckelhead on Jan 11, 2012 2:05 PM PST up reply actions
Typical
I say that and within an hour the news out of Pitt comes out that Crosby is skating with the team. I should try using my powers for good. People should just come to terms with the fact that the Sedins are on a cold streak and most likely won’t score in St. Louis. I’m starting small but if this works, look out.
by Canuckelhead on Jan 11, 2012 2:45 PM PST up reply actions
Quick. Repeat after me. Cancer can’t be cured, and I will not win the lottery.
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by Vancouverguy on Jan 11, 2012 3:05 PM PST up reply actions
and my fantasy team thanks you for this. =)
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by Vancouverguy on Jan 11, 2012 3:05 PM PST up reply actions
Regarding Stamkos… Ovechkin’s scoring rates increased drastically when he turned 24. Same with Crosby, Kessel, Giroux… I think Stamkos is in for a monster season next year.
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by red army line on Jan 13, 2012 12:37 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
getting weber or suter: good
trading kesler to do it: worse than bad. As someone else pointed out it’s shooting yourself in the foot to fit into new runners.
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Fine then....
I guess we don’t need a number d-man then. It would have been nice to have one in the SCF. I doubt there would be any other way to get a number one d-man without giving up someone of high value, since we do not have the cap space to get one via free agency.
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We do
But we also need depth at center. I’m fully on the The Canucks need weber bandwagon but Kesler single handedly got us to the WCF last year so his value to this team can’t be overstated.
by Canuckelhead on Jan 11, 2012 4:11 PM PST up reply actions
Two series after
We needed a steadying presence like Chara was.
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We were also missing the guy who a lot of people, myself included, would tell you is the best D-man on the team in the finals.
Who all is coming off the books this year? Raymond, Salo… anybody else? Shed Ballard’s space somewhere and maybe you do have the money for Weber? I haven’t done the math, just guessing.
And as much as we could have used Weber in the finals, I think we could have used a Perry/Parise/Nash/Ryan type before another D-man.
I don't see Weber or Suter
as “another d-man”. Ballard is another d-man.
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Suter does not = Weber
Suter would be another dman to play in our top four and make us deeper which works. Weber is the rare Dman who would play huge mins and in all situations.
by Canuckelhead on Jan 11, 2012 6:33 PM PST up reply actions
Suter > Hamhuis in Nashville
I would expect the same in Van.
And Suter averages more ice time than Weber this year. Suter is only 5 points behind Weber and averages the same PP time. Suter will be cheaper than Weber.
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Huh
Food for thought, although I feel like you’re not giving “the beard” the props it’s due at the very least
by Canuckelhead on Jan 11, 2012 10:27 PM PST up reply actions
close.. but I will argue that Suter = Weber, just different styles of play. Suter seems like the more collected D, sweeping up loose pucks, and getting it out of the zone quickly and efficiently.
close.. but I will argue that Suter = Weber, just different styles of play. Suter seems like the more collected D, sweeping up loose pucks, and getting it out of the zone quickly and efficiently.Weber is the type to line the forward up for a crushing check and go for the home-run passes… It’s just distinctly different styles, but I would question if Suter is that much worse than Weber.
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by Vancouverguy on Jan 11, 2012 11:17 PM PST up reply actions
Don’t disagree. Just arguing about Suter not being Weber’s equal.
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by Vancouverguy on Jan 16, 2012 12:59 PM PST up reply actions
If Suter is worse than Weber, it’s not by much. Suter plays in all situations, and Trotz even runs him out more than Weber.
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by red army line on Jan 13, 2012 12:39 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
How the hell do you trade Kesler???
You can’t trade a Selke Winner and then just put Hodgson in his spot to get a D-man like blech!! Suter!
You’re not crazy,
You are bat shit insane!
and I say that in good fun, even though Imma slap yo momma
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of course I'm nuts
I’m a Nucks fan! But my scenario is the one that won’t break the bank 2 years down the road and gets us a number one d-man. I know most won’t like it…..but fuck’em!
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Kesler is 4 years younger than the Sedins
He’s going to be the one left here to carry us through the lean years after they retire.
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Assuming we don't dump Hodgson
the lean years may be less lean than we worry about too. Hopefully Gillis is already building to when the Sedins leave.
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I doubt you guys are still following this, but I wouldn’t be surprised if we got an incredible amount of mileage on the Sedins before they retire. Possible Sellanne mileage.
Consider the kind of hockey they play, based around play making and hockey sense.
We can hope for that
but expecting it would be a bad idea. Selanne is a once in a generation type player.
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He would have long ago retired if the lockout hadn’t happened.
by Canuckelhead on Jan 20, 2012 5:47 PM PST up reply actions
We should trade for Yo Mamma
Oh, I said it.
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I'll make HER an offer she can't refuse
OH!
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by Canuckles on Jan 13, 2012 7:15 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
When yo mamma was channeling me!
As Emeril Lagasse says, “Bam!”
In all seriousness, this is what happens when I’m bored.
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Trading Kesler is stupid.
As we have seen, when Kesler is on, the Canucks are on. Sadly other teams have seen this and are going to target him. To trade him even dumber for the twins too, because then teams can focus all on them.
Nobody has mentioned is that Nashville is a floor team. To get Weber you need to send about 6.5 back too them by my calculations. So then you say, well go after Suter. Send them Ballard and whatever else is fair. You pay the ransom without screwing up the core.
Here is the problem with that, where do you put Suter? On the top shutdown pair with Hammer? They both shoot left. So you can’t do that. Edler shoots left too. So you need the right hand shot of Edler.
So you can’t Trade for Suter. It won’t fit. You need Weber. So you need to at least send Ballard and someone else. May Ray is a easy answer, but we have to many Centers and not enough wingers. Nashville is going to want COHO. This is probably why this trade won’t happen.
Would I traded COHO for Weber? It’s a 50/50 at this point. He really gives the bottom 6 some scoring punch right now. That has value. Another booming point shot? Imagine him and Edler on the point on the PP. Wow.
Glad I’m not a GM.
Weber's salary is too high
He will get $7million as a season at least. (since he makes $7.5 million) right now. Suter could be had for $6-6.5. That extra money will be needed for Burrows or CoHo.
And the Ballard idea just won’t fly. No one wants Ballard at his salary unless he starts producing points.
And in the end……Nashville has the cap space to sign Weber, Suter and my mom to long term deals and still have money left over if they so choose.
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You are still a idiot.
Who cares about how much he makes now. This is it, a better team then last year up front, about the same on D. We need to unload the clip and fire every bullet. Nobody knows what the new CBA will bring or if there is even going to be hockey next year. Rent Weber if we have too. If he signs for 5 mil to play at home then great, if not oh well. Ballard is sent because Nash needs to keep salary on board, not because he’s the greatest. Send picks, send whatever they need to be happy. I don’t think they want Lappy, but I’d bet they’d want Coho. That is a coin toss for me. Coho has a bullet shot and is getting better and better. BTW, Coho is on deal for another season yet. And Burr knows that the twins make him. He knows he’d never have success elsewhere and as the only ECHL guy to ever get 100 NHL goals, he thanks his lucky stars everyday for the twins.
And the biggest reason he sits is because we already have good LEFT shooting D. We need a RIGHT shooting D. You’d know how important this is if you knew a damn thing about hockey. But I can tell by the idiotic post and your idiotic replies you are clueless.
And Suter WILL get more then Weber. He plays more mins then Weber in all situations. Suter is a better D, (not by much) Weber has the cannon that has already gone through a net in Van.
You're still an idiot
because all this was hypothetical. And if you had a clue you would know this by the poll that was listed above. Quit being so fucking serious about hockey.
Nashville will make the playoffs only if they keep Weber. Kesler is going nowhere.
And if Weber signs for more than Suter I will hunt you down just to say fuck you.
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ha!
come back to SCH.. we miss you!
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by mightymike D on Jan 17, 2012 1:54 PM PST up reply actions
I am missable
if it weren’t for all the Hawks fans there I would be at SCH more. Ha!
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So should we.
Everyone could use a Weber or a Suter
Weber would be great
I watched Shea Weber in Kelowna as a junior and have followed him in the NHL and I would love to see him on the Canucks as he would really make our defence a force to be reckoned with but I don’t believe we should get rid of Kessler to get him.
We could free up lots of cap space by including the likes of…Malhotra, Raymond, LaPierre and even Ballard if Nashville would take the deal.
Kessler, Higgins and Booth are “at this present time” the number one line on the Canucks and Malhotra is not nor will he ever again be the player he was (sad to say).
Raymond is a valuable asset that could help a lot of teams, LaPierrie has disappeared lately and should be on the move. Ballard has not played well all year long until the last 2 games.
I would like to see Weber in Vancouver as well but until that time someone like Hal Gill for the playoffs would be great as he has lots of experience, is a big body and is a stay at home defenceman.
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