Canuck Brunch- Can I Finish?
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I swear to god, I am so sorry. Really. To the hockey world, and Canucks fans in particular, I apologize. We want to move on past this Bruins game aftermath, but the Bruins are making us feel like Ross Perot. We just want to be done with this, but they continue to say things of such jaw-dropping magnitude that it would be dishonest to look the other way. I mean, it's not like we don't have better things to do. We've got a piss poor effort from the Canucks last night to tear into. For any of you Boston fans or media that might be trolling visiting us, that's where you actually criticize your team's performance, and not just blame the team that beat you of cheating, or the officials. You told us you can't do that, so we felt it was our duty to remind you of that. So, we'll take a look at last night's game, and tonight's contest with the Tampa Bay Lightning. And yes, hopefully the last look at why Peter Chiarelli, Claude Julien and the Boston Bruins think you are a moron.
Let's get this over with, so we can move onto important stuff. The Bruins organization, their media and their fans think the rest of the NHL, and hockey fans in general are stupid. They do. It's the only possible way to explain their actions over the last couple years. They're the quintessential high school bully who's been playing 'stop hitting yourself' with the NHL, daring them to tell the teacher. And when that teacher arrives, they proceed to explain that they were actually the victims in this process. They don't really believe this. They know exactly what they're doing. Brad Marchand didn't contact the league about what was acceptable in a low hit so that he could avoid breaking the rules, but more likely he did it to find the loophole that he could use the next time he tried to hurt someone. And when that time inevitably came, all he had to do is proclaim 'I was just trying to make sure I didn't end up a victim' and he and the Bruins figured they would skate away untouched once again.
Claude Julien and Peter Chiarelli want you to stop picking on them. How many times have we seen this in movies (and real life) where the parent encourages and teaches the child the bad behaviour, yet cries foul when their precious angel gets called out for it. And it's not just that they disagree. They're blatantly calling the NHL stupid to it's collective face. The audacity of Brad Marchand telling Brendan Shanahan and the NHL's Department Of Player Safety what clipping actually is may be one of the most shocking things out of this entire debacle. There's no remorse here. No acknowledgement of committing the infraction and accepting punishment. Just defiant, confrontational words.
The backlash against the Bruins on this one was something we aren't used to. In so many previous incidents, people lined up behind the bully and heckled those who cried foul. Even though many had a hard time with them claiming to be the victim, the ones their discretions were committed against were labelled whiners. The Bruins had found a formula that worked. They were able to plant enough of a seed of doubt in people's heads that what you saw was not actually what happened. It worked when Zdeno Chara broke Max Paccioretty's neck, and it worked when Milan Lucic steamrolled Ryan Miller. So why didn't everyone buy into the lie this time?
The problem is the victim of the hit. There isn't a person on this planet outside of those who cheer for the Bruins that believed for a minute that Sami Salo was going to try and hurt Brad Marchand. Yet there they were, attacking Salo's character immediately after the game. The Bruins really expected you to accept that Sami Salo was headhunting. Their media went into hyperdrive, pushing the 'Brad Marchand as victim' theme. There were very few that took the bait. They tried to say the hit wasn't below the knee, that Salo led with his elbow, that he was charging at Marchand. There was ZERO evidence to back it up. Everything they claimed was dismantled with surgical precision by Shanahan in his video announcing the suspension.
Their comments following the announcement are disgraceful. They question the integrity of Shanahan. It likely will go unpunished, which is unfortunate, because that's a slippery slope. Make no bones about it, they're calling Shanahan an idiot without using the word. And now, the Bruins are in panic-stricken damage control mode, attempting once again to deflect criticism by attacking the Canucks over Alain Vigneault's comments, saying he threatened Marchand. Once again, they think you're an idiot. And you are if you believe this nonsense. What Vigneault said is more like what Brad Richards said about PK Subban: 'Hopefully someone on their team addresses it, because, uh, I'm not saying I'm going to do it, but something might happen to him if he continues to be that cocky'. Did Vigneault say the Canucks were going to do something about it? Nope. He's not stupid. He's upset and rightfully so. But what Vigneault said is a fact. If Brad Marchand doesn't get punished by the league (and learn from this punishment), someone is gonna take it into their own hands one day. That's not a threat. It acknowledges that Marchand's actions are unacceptable, and the best way to deal with it is for Marchand and the Bruins to stop trying to deliberately injure opponents. Having read Marchand's painfully PR department assisted blog post, it doesn't appear there's any intention of changing their ways.
If you were surprised that the Canucks came out flat last night, well, you might be a Bruins fan. The Florida Panthers did exactly what they had to do to take care of a disinterested Canucks squad last night, then hung on in the dying minutes as the Canucks frantically tried to salvage a point. Sure there were little glimmers that they might turn it on last night. Dale Weise's 2 on none breakaway goal with Manny Malhotra was a thing of beauty, in addition to being a situation that no one could imagine happening. Talk about unlikely.
The power play also looked good apart from the inconvenient fact that they didn't score. Funny how that tends to skew your view on things, eh? But as lethargic as the Canucks were, Kevin Dineen's Panthers were up to the test. There were a number of odd-man rushes last night that forced Roberto Luongo into making a number of good saves. If not for Luongo last night might have been downright ugly. Chalk up another 1 goal win for the Panthers, and another missed opportunity for the Canucks, then move on.
The Canucks slide up the coast tonight and into Tampa Bay for a date with the Lightning. Tampa Bay was one of the good stories of the Eastern Conference last year, with head coach Guy Boucher taking his defensive minded team all the way to the Conference Finals before falling in the 7th game to the Bruins. Imagine how different the Finals might have been. In any case, this season has been frustratingly different for the Lightning, to say the least. They sit 9 points behind the 8th place Pittsburgh Penguins (how weird is it to say that?), and a mere 3 points up on the last place New York Islanders. The big issue in Tampa is goaltending. They are relying on hockey's version of the 2,000 Year Old Man, Dwayne Roloson. As good as Roloson was last season, he's beginning to look and play his age at last, and it's certainly got to be putting some pressure on GM Steve Yzerman to try and salvage a season that is spiraling out of control.
As for the Canucks, a chance to put last night behind them and regain a little momentum heading into a big game Thursday against the red hot St. Louis Blues. With the Lightning desperate to try and claw their way back into post-season contention, this game might be a little easier for the Canucks to get back into. Though they don't play there often thanks to Gary Bettman's NHL scheduling nonsense, the Canucks haven't won in Tampa in almost a decade. No word yet on who starts for the Canucks, Roberto Luongo wasn't terribly busy last night but I wouldn't be surprised to see them rest him in anticipation of Thursday's game in St. Louis and give Cory Schneider the nod.
LEFTOVERS
Our condolences to Blues (and Canadiens) fans as we learned that their former GM Ron Caron died yesterday. Caron was part of the Montreal glory days, winning 6 Cups with the Habs, and was affectionately known as 'The Professor' for his encyclopedic knowledge of the game... The Phoenix Coyotes snagged Gilbert Brule off waivers from the Edmonton Oilers yesterday... News out of Tampa has David Booth making his return to the Canucks lineup tonight after suffering a knee injury earlier in the season...
CLASSIC METAL SONG OF THE DAY
Today we go with the track voted the #1 metal song of all time, in honour of Tony Iommi, who announced yesterday he's been diagnosed with Lymphoma. And, I think we will dedicate this to Peter Chiarelli, and his poor, picked on Bruins.
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it's there
refresh :)
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i still don’t see it.
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not there
for me either
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by Twitchy2010 on Jan 10, 2012 11:54 AM PST up reply actions
Basky hits another one out of the park
also, sabbath…yeah!
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While I thing (don't kill me!)
you may be slightly overstating a couple of things.. (the SCF last year.. there was plenty of Column A/Column B stuff) but I agree with your central points..
That Marchand is a) not contrite in the slightest and b) questioning the Dept. Of Player Safety/Shanahan’s understanding of the rules is beyond belief. In soccer there is a “bringing the sport into disrepute” charge that is frequently used against Coaches and players who openly criticise internal matters. I don’t know if Hockey has similar but if it does, this would be a good place to tack on another three games to his suspension.
I’m sure even you guys will agree that AV occasionally engages mouth before brain, and, while it stands to his passion and commitment to his team, it’s not really helpiong either.. not least because it quickly degenerates into “Typical Canuck Tinfoil Hats” comments in the media and silly point-scoring. But he has a very good point.
If a millionaire like Marchand, who could give two shits about the money he’s losing, on a team that is running rampant at the moment and can afford to have him sitting for a while and will welcome him back with open arms, can show this sort of disregard for the sanctions and office of the NHL’s disciplinary body.. well, yes, he will be marked, not just by players but by the Zebras too.
Don’t know if I’m adding much to the debate, but I’d love to see a situatiion where a player’s thumbing his nose at the League resulted in sanction for the team: a big fine or, preferably, points deduction. It happens in other sports.
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oh gawd... "While I think"... me no type gud
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by mightymike D on Jan 10, 2012 11:40 AM PST up reply actions
an, (mercifully) finally...
sucks about Iommi!
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by mightymike D on Jan 10, 2012 11:46 AM PST up reply actions
an, ?
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as I may have mentioned
“me type like I just got pushed in front of a puck by Holstrom”
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by mightymike D on Jan 10, 2012 11:56 AM PST up reply actions
perhaps, but
Travis Hughes from SBN addresses your concerns here :)
my whole point is that the Bruins always want to make it about someone else, and it has to stop. It’s them, not us.
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Bless Travis...
he’s a bastion of good sense isn’t he?
And yes, I’ll take that point. It is them, and although I think the Pacioretty incident was more unfortunate than anything else (not that it wasn’t a bad hit, just unfortunate he collided with an immovable object.. no, not John Scott…) but the Lucic run on Miller (and subsequent ‘Getting-Off-Scot-Free’ was a disgrace).. But I believe everyone is starting to see this about Boston now.. I know on SCH there hasn’t been anyone claiming that Marchand was defending himself (because he wasn’t) or that Salo was taking a run (ditto).. because, as you and Travis point out, that’s nonsense). I also think dignified silence would be the way forward as far as public comments from the Nucks organization goes.. let Claude & Pete make idiots out of themselves on their own…
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by mightymike D on Jan 10, 2012 11:52 AM PST up reply actions
I have to stop replying to my own posts..
also: I loved how Marchand (in his blog) kind of skipped by the two VAN goals on the resulting PP.. that, to my mind, is the best possible answer to that level of dirty play.
Oh, and great post, Kent!
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by mightymike D on Jan 10, 2012 11:55 AM PST up reply actions
cheers
another thing I have learned from all this: It makes me appreciate the rivalry with the Hawks so much more.
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well, we got at least
another year in this ol’ WC yet, thanks to the NHLPA (crossing fingers that there IS a next year)
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by mightymike D on Jan 10, 2012 12:27 PM PST up reply actions
I said the same
showed me how good we have it in comparison with the “hated” Hawks and their fans.
The Canuck braintrust have been quiet about it in comparison though. AV made his comments after being told of Julien’s incoherent babbling mess, and called it stupid. He has been " no comment" since then.
GMMG, apart from saying that he agreed with the suspension, had one line at the time “it was a dirty hit from a dirty player”.
That is it. Contrast that with the press releases and multiple pressers from Chiarelli and Julien.
Bring on the Hawks! Thanks to the Bruins and their fans for making even you guys look good!
(JK guys ;-)
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here's a big shocker for you
I agree with the majority of your points – and when Shanny allowed Lucic to run Miller without any consequence, it just encouraged more of this kind of reckless behavior. Don’t misunderstand, I still think VAN had a lot of this coming – but that was over and done with during last year’s SCF. This is a new season and with new rules – and yeah, if Marchand had tried any of the kind of crap he did with Sedin/Salo a la Toews/Kane, he’d have been put into the seats next shift. I still admire the hell out of Tim Thomas, but he’s got to expect that he’s going to be steamrolled eventually after this fiasco of a hockey game.
Waylon
Canucks never had a chance, as he was rightfully kicked out.
Did you catch the (totally ignored by Boston ) spear by Thomas to Manny Malhotra’s man bits after he was tripped into the goalie?
Straight stab down, and it was completely overshadowed by the Marchand crap.
Hawks might play on the edge, and whatnot, but the level is no where near these guys!
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No I agree it's a team - wide problem with them
and TT doesn’t come off as the choirboy here – but I’ve seen it work both ways with his play, when a goalie is as aggressive as he is there’s going to be a lot of crap going both ways.
And Claude Julien can suck my ass.
Did you catch the (totally ignored by Boston ) spear by Thomas to Manny Malhotra’s man bits after he was tripped into the goalie?
Straight stab down, and it was completely overshadowed by the Marchand crap.
Love tap. Jeeziz
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by Sean Zandberg on Jan 10, 2012 4:00 PM PST up reply actions
Dont go changing Big Daddy!
love tap to the twig and berries is not kosher.
Just because you got the family going… dont deny others the chance for that!
LOL
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The world needs a bunch of little Manny’s running around
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by Sean Zandberg on Jan 10, 2012 4:25 PM PST up reply actions
After four days of this crap, It’s clear to me the Canucks did something to that whole organization, team, city saturday. We… ruined something for them. I don’t know what it was. They were on the top of the world and the Canucks kicked them into the muck, if only for a game, and now they’re stumbling around through the mud angrily, making an even worse mess for themselves as they try to climb back up to the perch, bellowing all the way.
They still got the cup, and it’s still a hollow victory, but we’ve clearly ruined something for them. Their certainly, I think.
oh yeah... they are totally losing it now
taryneliza_beth Taryn D.
Brickley called Winnipeg “Vancouver”. I shall count how many times this happens tonight. (Because I have NOTHING better to do).
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It is something
I have to admit, as mean as it might sound, I am taking entirely too much mirth out of the level of “butthurtness” ( sorry, that word just is the most apt!)
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hat tip to Thomas Drance for this
missed this yesterday… Derek Zona of all people tears Chiarelli apart
http://www.coppernblue.com/2012/1/9/2695451/fire-peter-chiarelli-on-brad-marchand-suspension
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Bwahahaha!
You folk may disagree, but IMO Copper & Blue is one of the best SBN blogs out there.. and this article is on the money!
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by mightymike D on Jan 10, 2012 12:29 PM PST up reply actions
we have what you might call
a tenuous relationship with them, but they do have some skilled writers there for sure. Zona was spot on.
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Yeah, guessed that..
My youngest brother is a Wild fan and he hates them.. those inter-division blogs are never going to get along (I’d understand if you said nice things about SLGT… although you’d have to be some kind of genius to find anything nice to say about SLGT)
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by mightymike D on Jan 10, 2012 12:34 PM PST up reply actions
I think that may be part of it, yes...
it’s hard to tell through the weeping
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by mightymike D on Jan 10, 2012 10:39 PM PST up reply actions
good christ
stop the world i need to get off. Zona said something not anti-canucks? Seriously, wtf have we entered a new dimension? Next thing you know cox will say something intelligent and lambert will do some good writing!
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Boston can lick my left............
Congrats A-Holes, you have now replaced VAN as my most undesired team in the NHL. They are dirty cheap S***Heads, Eff them all.
First Time all season I caught myself glad to see another team lose to the ’Nucks, and the dudes at SCH probably have a good idea of how much you must totally Blow Matt Cooke to be able to do that.
Disclaimer all jabs at the ’Nucks were intended as knocks on those F***faces from Boston, but yeah, still have no love for the Canucks, but Damn Boston is a dirty nasty team!
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Jan 10, 2012 12:39 PM PST reply actions
I have way more appreciation for our friends in Chicago after having to listen Boston this week (plus dimly fading memories of the finals)..
I've read a lot of different SBN blogs
and it’s interesting how they all have different personalities. But far and away the my favourite opposition blog is SCH. On the whole these guys are funny, smart, and extremely knowledgeable about the game.
Wish we could play Chicago more often.
BTW, the other great thing about SCH is that they provide a great insight into why the Canucks do NOT need a non-playing plug who can hit and fight. Someone should create a compilation of the best John Scott comments from over on SCH. That would be a fun read.
there wouldn't be any compilation to begin with
you’d have a tape reel of Scott sitting in the press box game after game.
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by IndianHeadCrest on Jan 10, 2012 1:30 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
me too Wisp
The Hawks and Canucks rivalry is like Arthurian jousting compared to the almost Viet Cong like desire to wallow in the muck that the Bruins and their fanbase ( and media…we dislike Rozner around here for obvious reasons, but those guys made him look like a Rhodes Scholar this weekend )…for a “win” on message boards, news stories, etc.
We still “hate” you guys, but those guys are NUTS!
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at least we try to call our players out when they're douches
we miss some at times (i.e. Bolland), but Carcillo’s been rightly hammered, especially after his latest asshattery. But at times it seems we’re shouting into the wind, even our homer announcers say nothing but sweet things about his play – they’ll never be as ridiculous as Riley is with Boston, but that’s not saying much.
Edzo it is right, and Doc?
They are paragons of down the middle to the mad rantings of Edwards and Brickley. Pretty sure those two got one of the 550 rings made ( for a team w 23 players and a HUGE support staff ;-)
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Not exactly
Doc is a national announcer, used to be the Devils play-by-play. We have drunken Pat Foley doing our play-by-play. There is no doubt, when doing Hawks games Olcyzk and Foley are homers. But when Ed does national broadcasts, I find him to be pretty evenhanded.
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by IndianHeadCrest on Jan 10, 2012 3:25 PM PST up reply actions
they did not get rings in '10 I guess then?
LOL.
Thx
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Marchand is a dripping douchebag
and AV is right (WTF? I can’t believe I just typed that) that some player and/or coach will take matters into their own hands when it comes to urinal cakes like Marchand. I’m becoming increasingly concerned that the actions the Shanahammer is taking isn’t doing enough to deter dirty hits and the utter lack of regard for fellow players. If anything, it almost seems like these types of plays have ramped up recently.
In closing, screw Marchand, screw Julien, screw Lucic, screw clam chowda, screw Boston.
PS. I still hate the Nucks ;)
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by IndianHeadCrest on Jan 10, 2012 1:18 PM PST reply actions
At least Julien is consistent...
Here is a quote from him after the Chara Pacioretty incident:
It’s not Zdeno’s shoulder, elbow, or anything that hit him in the head, it’s the partition.
Actually, when I take a closer look at the Marchand video, it looks to me like it’s the ice that actually hit Sami in the head. Pause the video at 1:11 and look closely. You can clearly see that the ice makes contact this Salo’s head.
I say give the ice 5 games. It was brutal ice on Saturday anyway.
They chop it up pretty good for skill teams like ours
I think its the 80 year old ice guys with their rickety shovels
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just want to say
how happy i am to see everyone telling the Bruins to fuck off lately.
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by missy on Jan 10, 2012 1:58 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I live in New England
Have lots of New Englanders on my FB, just posted a little rant calling the Bruins what they are. Waiting for the flood of whinning now.
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Jan 10, 2012 2:01 PM PST up reply actions
I would love to get a team back into Hartford
It would only be a 30-45 minute drive to see the Hawks for me when they are out here!
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Jan 10, 2012 2:09 PM PST up reply actions
This Week's Power Hate Rankings
1. Boston (up from 2 )
2. Vancouver (down from 1)
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#embracetherunneruphate
by FormerHab on Jan 10, 2012 2:04 PM PST up reply actions 8 recs
Rec. Made the truly LOL with this.
- '94 was epic. Nothing but a cup will make me change my name. Kill the bird!
I didn't think I cared
But it’s nice to see the hate directed at a team besides the team I cheer for for once.
by Canuckelhead on Jan 10, 2012 2:25 PM PST up reply actions
I can only rec this once right
its already green, whats the next colour for the REALLY good ones?
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My two cents
Pronger imo knows he’s dirty and doesn’t care.
Marchand sounds to me like he truly is oblivious that he’s dirty and doesn’t care.
OF
ALL TIME!
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jan 10, 2012 8:08 PM PST up reply actions
I have to admit
After the playoffs last year, if Marchand had ended up on the Canucks some time or the other prior to Saturdays game, I would have thought, nice, an edgy player that will give the Nucks some sandpaper along with some skill. One of those guys you want on your team but hate when they’re on the opposing team.
After Saturday, no thanks. The guy is either an oblivious douche or just plain stupid. Laying a cheap shot-on someone, let alone a guy like Salo, is disgusting. Pretending that it was not a cheap shot and not owning up to his actions is beyond disgusting. He’s EXACTLY the type of player the NHL is trying to stop from going out of control and hurting someone.
Of course, even a player like Matt Cooke can change his ways, albeit after a lengthy suspension, so hopefully Marchand does NOT hurt anyone else badly and figures out what’s right from wrong.
I guess I'm an anomaly
but I’m not a fan of sand paper players and I think they are overrated. Give me a guy who throws huge clean hits, doesn’t yap, and stays out of stupid scrums.
I love Lappy when he’s strong on the forecheck and full of energy. I can’t stand him when he’s yapping away like an idiot. What the hell does that accomplish? Just makes our team look foolish.
Burrows and Kesler took huge steps forward when the decided to STFU. Burr has slipped a bit lately in my opinion.
Raffi?
Give me a guy who throws huge clean hits, doesn’t yap, and stays out of stupid scrums.
by Canuckelhead on Jan 10, 2012 3:09 PM PST up reply actions
I said "stays out of stupid scrums"
not “stupid and stays out of scrums”
by FormerHab on Jan 10, 2012 3:14 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
That was clever. I rec’ced it.
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by Vancouverguy on Jan 10, 2012 4:47 PM PST up reply actions
To be clear
I don’t mean a guy that runs around the ice like a missile looking to make a clean hit that will kill someone.
I sort of agree
Except, I can’t name many NHL’ers that do all that and don’t yap. So if given the choice, I’ll stomach a little yapping and tomfoolery that goes along with the rest of the package.
Hey guess what?
Schneider gets the start tonight
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Why wouldn't he?
He’s our starting goalie right? ;P
by Canuckelhead on Jan 10, 2012 3:09 PM PST up reply actions
Marchand/Raymond hits side by side
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To a Homer
Obviously they “look” the same, to someone who is trying to see the difference, the difference is actually quite clear. Raymond was ducking into a ball on a skater charging at him that he could not get out of the way of because he just (get this played the puck), Marchand was lowering himself and leading with his shoulder to make contact with a skater to avoid the puck.
WTF, I defending a Canuck. Somebody shoot me please!
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Jan 10, 2012 3:18 PM PST up reply actions
Circumstances are different
So I think you have to look at the MayRay one in a different light.
BUT…
Ultimately I don’t think there’s much of a difference because MayRay could have avoided it by not ducking so low. So regardless it’s a dangerous play, and I think that’s what is getting lost in all these comparisons.
Yes, maybe players in the past, including Canucks have not been punished for that type of play, but it is still a dangerous hit. They shouldn’t be occurring and it’s not an excuse to point to past plays and say oh well it wasn’t punished back then so it shouldn’t be now.
And what gets me even more is how certain blogs feel it’s a slippery slope if “this” type of hit is punished. But in my mind this type of hits needs to go away period and should not be tied to the whole debate on hitting. It’s not a slippery slope that will lead to phasing out hitting, it’s simply the type of hit that can easily end careers and needs to stop happening. The fact the player who did it in this case is shrugging it off makes it even worse because he obviously does not understand why it’s so dangerous.
Dangerous yes, any clip is
But what leads to it occuring is very different. Raymond had literally less then a second to react since before that he was handling the puck and looking up ice for a dump or pass, then realized he was lined up for a HIGH hit, Marchand lined up his man with plenty of time to take another approach but chose not to.
You do not want to see guys clipped, but Raymond I can give a pass to. Would rather see him absorb a clean hit, but I do not at all get the feeling he was trying to clip but rather dodge a potential head shot.
I have absolutely NO LOVE for the Nucks and have no reason to go out of my way and defend them (I go out of my way to laugh at them), but in Hockey analysis, you need to remove that and take all things into play. Doing that, this is what I see.
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Jan 10, 2012 3:33 PM PST up reply actions
once again
it’s because we can have discussions with you guys like this that I appreciate the rivalry.
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Holy crap. Look at Rome!!- Sean Zandberg
I thnk Shanahan made it very clear...
The Marchand duck was NOT instinctual OR defensive. The Raymond duck seems to me to be both.
Probably not a great idea in general to drop down like that, IMHO.
I think we're both on the same wavelength :)
I didn’t mean to say MayRay did it on purpose for the intent to injure (I don’t think he did, but I do think Marchand’s intent was to injure), but simply the end result of ducking so low is bad regardless of what the intent was.
And I agree with Kent, it’s annoying how the blinders go up with some fans when someone on their team is accused of doing something bad. As much as I hate the Hawks, I can appreciate having a discussion or argument (even though we may not ever agree) vs having to read one-sided rhetoric and hypocritical comments that spring up whenever the Boston fans are involved.
I put two stills
in the Panthers game recap thread, that supposedly are the frames where the impact begins in each hit/check/clip/whatever. I didn’t create them so I can’t swear they’re actually stills from the exact frame, but the perspective on the feet looks right to me. (former post-production effects creator, had to watch little clips of 28-400 frames of video repeatedly every day for years oh god make it stop)
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Screen Caps are good for positioning
They are not good for sequences, especially like this because they do not convey enough information and can be used to help justify things incorrectly or to draw comparisons to things that are not comparable in the whole.
Example if you take Carbombs launching of Gilbert at the second of impact and compare it to a “normal” crosscheck, they will look very similar. Because at this point in time they look similar does not mean that they are truly similar events on the whole.
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Jan 10, 2012 3:39 PM PST up reply actions
Oh I agree
It’s just that in the debate of “knee vs. not-knee” I thought they showed a pretty clear difference.
That said, right after I posted the above, it occurred to me that when it came to the suspension, the point of contact was only one factor out of many. So even if we had absolute concrete proof one way or the other, it’s not all that constructive to get drawn into an argument over where the hit first took place.
And that reminds of how whenever I’ve had to deal with jerks in real life, they always try to use this tactic of trying to get you in an argument over a small detail to hopefully distract you from the big picture of their overall guilt. I don’t usually fall for it in real life, but I think I did here!
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Its a not far drive from around Hartford to whereever Dick Cheney goes hunting right?
To me, the worst aspect of what happened was the little fake at the puck before the submarine.
Sami had just beaten him on the puck once 15 seconds before, taken two punches to the back of the head, and then was in position to beat him on the puck again before the act. It was classic Salo. Positioning and solid play.
Best media reaction to that? Someone on their radio or whatever, I heard, was espousing how “lucky” he was that he avoided charges for throwing his stick. About the first time I can remember a reaction like that from him since he became a Canuck.
No, you can feel good about defending a Canuck. ;-)
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