Canuck Brunch- The F Word- September 28
by Kent Basky on Sep 28, 2011 8:00 AM PDT
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PrintI am sure you've heard a number of differing opinions on the NHL's disappointing decision to not punish Philadelphia's Wayne Simmonds for the homophobic slur uttered at the Rangers' Sean Avery Monday night. Yeah, I don't think anyone was too surprised at this outcome when it was announced that instead of new sheriff Brendan Shanahan handling the disciplinary hearing, it would be his predecessor Colin 'Lazy Eye' Campbell. And despite what seemed to be pretty compelling video evidence, Campbell stated that there was inconclusive evidence and as such, no further discipline. Really? Stevie Wonder could read Simmonds' lips. It was obvious. It was also stated that further incidents such as this could result in a 2 minute penalty. More on why this is a major screw up for the NHL, plus apparently the Canucks are playing in Anaheim tonight, after the jump...
Ex-NHL'ers like Aaron Ward, whose getting a pretty solid reputation for being a straight-up and insightful commentator laid out the exact problem on Twitter when he stated that this insult is used every game by players. There's been lots of discussion about how many of the grown men playing in this league learned these slurs as kids playing in small town rinks. It doesn't mean what you think it means, some have even suggested.
Right now, the NHL is having some growing pains as players are being suspended because they're having trouble adapting to new rules. They're changing the on ice culture, and punishing players for hits that show a lack of respect for the safety of their fellow players. And while it's not exactly the same, this is a missed opportunity to do the same about using this word. Society is changing, and much like the way the good majority of society changed it's views on racism (though as we saw with Simmonds just a week ago, it has a ways to go still), most of civilized society knows that racial epithets are unacceptable. And sports, through players like Jackie Robinson and hockey's own Willie O'Ree were huge in helping to bring about the change in these attitudes. It's time for sports to change the culture within the game to reflect what is going on outside the rink.
Larry Brooks of the New York Post absolutely frickin' nails it this morning when he writes:
The NHL's decision not to discipline Simmonds because of what Campbell stated was its inability to substantiate that the homophobic slur had been used, marked the end of the most dispiriting days I can recall since I began covering the league 36 years ago.
It's not merely that the league avoided its moral and civic responsibility in this case, no, not that alone.
Rather, it's, a) the monstrous number of communications via email and Twitter I received from fans, mostly foul-mouthed, who were more incensed at Avery for breaking some sort of implied code by not keeping silent about what had been said on the ice than at Simmonds even if he said it;, b) the monstrous number of communications I received saying that no matter what was said, Avery deserved it; and, c) the sounds of silence from most of the media people around the country and north of the border who essentially weigh in on everything.
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don't be such an anti-homophobic idiot.
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notafullcolon CS: Well obviously I meant we were snorting blow off hookers at the time of the goal
see what I did there?
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notafullcolon CS: Well obviously I meant we were snorting blow off hookers at the time of the goal
I understand why lots of people are getting upset about this "f" word
but these are grown men, playing a sport, that gets heated and people are gonna say shit without thinking. perhaps im being insensitive but its not the school playground, its not a legal office or warehouse or construction site(probably hear worse shit) or a restaurant, definitely not an art gallery or library. its on a hockey rink, and i bet the kids sitting in the first row couldnt even hear what simmonds had to say. so as a hockey player, sometimes you feel so heated and you have to use your words to try to hurt someone (another grown man). simmonds called avery a faggot (yea i said it) but do we know if avery said anything to provoke the comment? im guessing he was in simmonds ear about some banana incident. what if simmonds had called him a “cock sucker”? is that really all that far off from “Faggot”?
i just dont think the nhl can or should police everything that is said between 2 adults playing a game
and before everyone kicks my ass with their own opinion (i enjoy a good discussion, so i wouldnt mind hearing other opinions) i know a few gay people and im fine with that and they are good people, and if a friend of mine came to me and told me he/she was gay, it would not make them less of a friend.
It’s about acceptance. As long as being gay is an insult, homosexual people will never be 100% accepted in our society; it implies there is something wrong with being gay and this sort of insult just perpetuates the prejudice. These guys are supposed to be role models and leaders in our society. People who our youth look up to and emulate. Change needs to come from places like this. If doesn’t matter if it comes in the heat of the moment. That’s just a poor excuse to legitimize an insult which should never be used. To be honest, I think that excuses Simmonds as a homophobe, but it doesn’t excuse him for what he said and he should have been punished. Without the league taking a stand, it’s all ok and things don’t change.
I’m not gay, and I don’t pretend to understand what it’s like. But I do know it’s hard for me to say “it’s no big deal, it’s just a word and these are grown men” because it doesn’t demean me as an individual. I don’t mind lawyer jokes, as that happens to be a choice of mine and it’s usually a direct joke (what do you call a thousand lawyers at the bottom of an ocean? a good start!) but if someone was using some feature about me as an individual to insult others, I would find it incredibly hurtful, even if they turned around and said “no offence, it was in the heat of the moment.”
I used to not support gay marriage. I had the “why bother, homosexual unions are entitled to the same economic benefits anyways” attitude. But I read an article by Andrew Coyne, who made a very succinct point. It’s about society recognizing homosexual couples as having equal entitlement to the institution our society offers to legitimize relationships. The same logic works here too, only in a negative sense. This is about society recognizing that homosexuality is equally as legitimate as heterosexuality and not deserving of being an insult thrown around at other people who you don’t like and want to demean.
And I don’t know if you can say you can’t hear from the first row. I’ve been to a few hockey games at the Rog and I can hear what’s going on down there from time to time, and I’ve never sat in the front row either.
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notafullcolon CS: Well obviously I meant we were snorting blow off hookers at the time of the goal
Are we allowed to call someone a jerk? Does that now mean we are not 100% accepting jerks into our society?
These guys are supposed to be role models and leaders in our society.
I think that is a problem right there. The moment we tell our children to look at hockey players, entertainers, politicians as role models – we have a problem. They are merely human beings like everyone else who fucks up.
Sticks and stones.
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there are plenty of insults
which don’t zero in on demeaning a particular group within society.
And asking about jerks, assholes and other similar insults is a complete straw man. We are talking about defined groups within society who have been singled out and suffered a lot of prejudice because of what makes them difference. Your logic can equally flow in the opposite direction towards stuff we have already decided is unacceptable, making it ok to throw bananas at black hockey players, or oranges at hispanic ones (although I don’t know of any).
We don’t tell kids to look at them, they just do. They watch hockey, they love it, these guys become heroes all on their own. We should encourage team sports, it’s good for kids. Homophobia and racism are not and should be discouraged, and certainly not perpetuated by pro athletes. And yes, role models eff up. And so they need to accept the consequences of their effing up like anyone else, ideally by fessing up and admitting what they did was wrong. That’s something our kids can learn from them as well.
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notafullcolon CS: Well obviously I meant we were snorting blow off hookers at the time of the goal
there you go
throw a bag of oranges at him lol…. Actually better not, he’ll beat the crap out of you.
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notafullcolon CS: Well obviously I meant we were snorting blow off hookers at the time of the goal
okay .. I’m part hispanic and I have never heard of the oranges thing … google save me!
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hispanics are all illegal immigrants, so they are poor
so they sell oranges on the street.
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notafullcolon CS: Well obviously I meant we were snorting blow off hookers at the time of the goal
Oh but I see them selling strawberries here. I need to go correct them.
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by Angy on Sep 28, 2011 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
ummm
I don’t recommend that.
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notafullcolon CS: Well obviously I meant we were snorting blow off hookers at the time of the goal
haha I’m not an idiot. If I did that, they wouldnt’ sell me any strawberries. :)
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I thought you and your boys weren’t “oblivious about the world.”
by meetyourmako on Sep 28, 2011 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions
cheap strawberries?
are they fresh?
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notafullcolon CS: Well obviously I meant we were snorting blow off hookers at the time of the goal
always fresh and yummy
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shit
I wish we had fresh and yummy strawberries more often up here. Peaches too.
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notafullcolon CS: Well obviously I meant we were snorting blow off hookers at the time of the goal
Well I don’t see any peaches around, but we do have nectarines – I know cause I just made a blueberries & nectarine crisp dessert for my boys the other night :)
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Damn! I need to pay more attention I guess.
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found a hole in your homeschooling curriculum.
by meetyourmako on Sep 28, 2011 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions
haha you and the home schooling. I don’t even believe in that nonsense. (okay someone’s going to go off on me for that now huh?)
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It starts with “faggot”. Then it’s gonna be “pussy”. And where does this end? A church service in between periods?
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by Sean Zandberg on Sep 28, 2011 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions
hey, good for you
since you need to go to church now that you are back to the bible!
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notafullcolon CS: Well obviously I meant we were snorting blow off hookers at the time of the goal
Really?
You don’t see a vast, wide open middle ground between those things?
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There’s a lot of difference there between those two terms.
And like Canuckles said – what about racist slurs? Those okay too just because it’s grown men playing a sport?
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by missy on Sep 28, 2011 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Anyways, one of my issues with all this is with Sean Avery. We all know he chirps, and he’s a d-bag. Is it wrong of me to think that he comes off as a whiny brat in this case? Like he can dish the insults, but he can’t take one?
I know he probbly gets chirped at a ton, and he didn’t go to the media for those instances… but, why did he do it in this case? To Simmonds, who’s currently in the media spotlight? I can only guess that he’s been called things a lot worse than a f***** throughout his career, but why did he choose to comment on it now? That’s what I can’t understand.
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by Vancouverguy on Sep 28, 2011 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions
my impression
was that because Sean Avery’s been doing a lot of activism work to promote legalization of gay marriage, he may have felt personally obligated to stand up against the slur because he would look like a hypocrite otherwise. But obviously I don’t know.
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That makes a lot more sense, that this topic is more personal to him. That clears things up.
At first glance, it just seems a little weird when we know Avery’s not beyond saying some pretty vile things too, to all of a sudden stand up and mope about something said to him, but that clears things up. Thanks Pseu.
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by Vancouverguy on Sep 28, 2011 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions
Well, I'm no fan of avery
but I totally get why he brings it up. Avery has decided to take a stand on this, and good on him. He’s decided he wants to allow gay hockey players the freedom to feel like they don’t have to hide…who knows, maybe he’s gay himself and working on coming out of the closet. But love him or hate him, good on him for taking a stand for tolerance. If he doesn’t mention it after his previous statements on it, he looks like a tool and a hypocrite, cuz trust me, somewhere somebody caught it on TV and woulda brought it up.
As far as the word itself, I gotta say I wrestle with this a bit… I’ve been known to call people faggot, cocksucker, asscaptain etc, and it’s not even meant as a homosexual slur. Granted, it’s usually amongst good friends who see it as comedy and wouldn’t misunderstand the spirit of the comment, and no, I’m not ever likely to say such a thing in a place where it could hurt or anger someone. The truth is, this word has gotten into the lexicon of how we speak in north america, and it’s really in a grey area. Because of this, I understand FreeRaffi’s point of view on it. But I disagree with him. In a public forum as a role model, and in an environment where there needs to be some changes in the mindset on a segment of society, it is NOT ok to use a slur like this. If I’m with my buddies at someone’s home and someone drops a racial slur at me, I’m not offended…I know it’s not meant like that, and even though it may be in bad taste, it’s just used for effect. Likewise if one of em says something like ’that’s gay’. If I’m out for dinner or in the bar or worse, on TV or something (not that I spend alot of time being on TV) and that same person used that slur, I’d probably take issue with it.
I think the NHL dropped the ball here, and it’s unfortunate. There was an opportunity to make a bit of a point, even tho many would disagree with it, and set a precedent for moving forward. However, maybe the NHL views it as ‘one discipline change at a time’. If I had to choose between protecting the players or removing a particular insult, I’d go with protecting the players every time. And let’s face it… it would be really tragic if the NHL made a move and over did it to the point that it resulted in no more cursing or trash talk on the ice.
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by Twitchy2010 on Sep 28, 2011 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions
Well, the NHL did send out a warning to all players and teams that they would start looking at discipline for things like this in the future
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So what exactly was the warning? “Now boys and girls (okay no girls), let’s only use our church words when it’s game day. No matter what the circumstances are.”
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Uh, maybe “don’t use terms disparaging minority groups for who they are”? I know hockey players are dumb but this isn’t the most difficult thing in the world to do.
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They are paid
millions upon millions of dollars.
They can try.
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notafullcolon CS: Well obviously I meant we were snorting blow off hookers at the time of the goal
They are paid to play hockey not to cater to pc panies. :)
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by Angy on Sep 28, 2011 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
ugh! I hate when I typo.
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Damn those Panies!
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notafullcolon CS: Well obviously I meant we were snorting blow off hookers at the time of the goal
oh so we're PC pansies here
for asking that homosexuals are treated like equal people and not like people with some characteristic which makes them less worthy of respect?
gotcha. :)
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notafullcolon CS: Well obviously I meant we were snorting blow off hookers at the time of the goal
All the smilies in here for people saying stupid shit is confusing me.
Are we just playing out the argument and not believing what we say, ending with :) ?
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Well you guys did say you are alot like the Bay Area … so … haha :)
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Pansies?
As in, a very non-masculine description which you’re using to emphasize your opinion that caring about this problem is stupid?
Okay. I guess I’ll just disagree with you that there’s not a constant message in every day conversation that being gay is something to be ashamed of and that “regular default” people shouldn’t have to suffer the inconvenience of trying to make things better.
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Wow now you’ve read into what I’ve said. Nice.
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she may have read into it
but whether you want to admit it or not, her analysis is 100% accurate. I doubt you hold this opinion in a malicious manner, but this is what it comes down to, unfortunately.
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notafullcolon CS: Well obviously I meant we were snorting blow off hookers at the time of the goal
I'm totally open
to having it explained how I’m wrong. I would in fact love to be wrong, because I like you Angy!
You used the word pansies. You said it was hard to untrain yourself from using slurs. If I’ve misinterpreted, I very much apologize.
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actually don't
This is making me too sad. I stand by everything I’ve said, and I stand by my right to be angry when my problems are trivialized by people who don’t share them … but whether or not I have a right to be snarky, it adds nothing to the discussion when it makes good people defensive and more entrenched in their opinions. I’m sorry. I think it’s time for a sandwich break for me.
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You guys just jump to conclusions based on a word people use without even knowing intent or anything. That is what is so funny. Hell I could be gay for all you know.
That really is part of the point – intent. In the heat of the moment, or in the social environment – you really can’t judge. We are just all outsiders being judgemental on something we have no idea what was going on. Or what the other person was thinking. It’s just really funny.
(and you guys = the world, everyone, not singling anyone out)
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no intent is meaningless Angy
that’s the point. It doesn’t matter what YOU Mean, what matters is how it affects others. In this case, all these sorts of slurs do is reinforce, especially within children, that there is something wrong with being gay.
Nobody is judging the people here. I said it before. The heat of the moment generally absolves the person of being a homophobe. I don’t doubt that Simmonds didn’t mean to belittle homosexual people. But the fact is, that sort of insult was wrong to use.
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notafullcolon CS: Well obviously I meant we were snorting blow off hookers at the time of the goal
You have to ask yourself – why do you let the words of another, who has no influence on your real life, affect you? Why do the parents of those children not raise them to be stronger than the words of a stranger?
Seriously why do the words of idiots need to be censored because we can’t raise a society to tune them out. Parents actually parent their children and tell them, they are paid to perform, not to be some moral inspiration.
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because language-based racism and sexism and homophobia becomes institutional racism and sexism and homophobia pretty quick.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Sep 28, 2011 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
You're still missing the point
about both things. Firstly, calling someone who isn’t gay a faggot in an insulting manner, by necessary implication, is suggesting there is something wrong with being gay. You can’t escape that logical conclusion. It doesn’t matter what you mean to say, it’s what you actually say, as that is all people will perceive. Thus some people will accept this as the correct order of things and will perpetuate the cycle, making it harder for gay people to perceived as “normal” and equal in society
And kids idolize people who play sports and exist in other high profile positions. It doesn’t matter what parents tell them. This has been going on for centuries. These people need to set proper examples.
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notafullcolon CS: Well obviously I meant we were snorting blow off hookers at the time of the goal
I’m not missing your point at all … I just don’t agree with it.
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you are responding to a point
I’m not making, so I am pretty sure you are missing it.
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notafullcolon CS: Well obviously I meant we were snorting blow off hookers at the time of the goal
Luckily for you, racism and sexism and homophobia have never affected any policy decisions whatsoever and it’s just words.
Oh wait, no. It’s the exact opposite.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Sep 28, 2011 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions
ah but see, that is where the problem comes in. different matter entirely.
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Is it? I think it’s a lot easier to discriminate in policies when the language is there to dehumanize
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Sep 28, 2011 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions
It’s not just words when it’s written as policy.
But we’re getting into politics here.
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recommended reading on the subject
Orwell was a pretty bright guy
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notafullcolon CS: Well obviously I meant we were snorting blow off hookers at the time of the goal
I don’t think intent comes into it. It seems that racial slurs have – by and lage – been successfully eradicated from sport, but homosexual slurs are somehow still seen as acceptable.
Imagine if the conversation – “in the heat of battle” – had gone like this:
Simmonds: “You fucking faggot”
Avery: “Fuck you, Nigger”
So this would be OK because, you know, neither of them really meant it? Somehow I think everyone would take offense with the second slur, but for some reason only some people take offense to the first one. Strange.
by British Canuck on Sep 28, 2011 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions
It used to be that only some people took offense to the second one, too. These things take time.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Sep 28, 2011 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions
If Simmonds was white, would it be as bad?
by meetyourmako on Sep 28, 2011 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Sep 28, 2011 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions
I was thinking about this exact exchange myself….and the outcome.
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by British Canuck on Sep 28, 2011 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions
He’s use to it.
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Besides
if Brendan Burke’s college team can do it…
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exactly
think anyone in the Leafs’ organization uses that word? I highly doubt it.
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I think the point is though that no one is saying that swearing is not allowed. But the use of a certain word(s). If avery had called simmonds the “n” word. He would have been crucified by the media, players and fans whether it was in the heat of the moment or not. (And rightfully so). The “f” word is just as bad as the “n” word. There are plenty of swear words that can be used that don’t carry the same amount of hate for a particular group of people
And let’s not forget that there has already been speculations about Avery’s sexuality in blogs etc.(I have no idea if they are true and I don’t care because it shouldn’t matter – but if he is that makes it even worse) And it is entirely possible that simmonds chose to use that taunt on purpose because of those accusations (though I of course have no idea why he chose that word but the possibility is there)
by BW79 on Sep 28, 2011 1:44 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I think it’s pretty simple: Don’t use slurs. No one’s saying anything about taking out cursing entirely.
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But what about all those poor people out there being discriminated against who fuck mothers?
by meetyourmako on Sep 28, 2011 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions
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My wife is a mother. :)
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by Kieran gunn on Sep 28, 2011 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Trust me
If what you say is true about the way you converse with your friends, you’re never going to have a friend feel comfortable revealing to you that he’s gay. And I don’t even want to think of how your future kids, or nieces or nephews, might feel about it if one of them turns out to be gay.
When you use what’s supposed to be a perfectly normal word like “gay” or “girl” as a synonym for stupid, you create an atmosphere that makes bigoted bullies feel safe, and people who are struggling to be accepted feel threatened.
It’s your choice to do this. Saying “I didn’t mean anything by it” isn’t a defense. It just makes you That Guy.
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by Pseuccubus on Sep 28, 2011 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
So you’re That person that says That Guy. :)
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Yes!
But at least I never once used the word “mansplain”. :)
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haha I had to look that up.
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and for what it's worth
I’m kind of sick right now and I’m probably not expressing myself right. I didn’t mean to sound like I actually think free_raffi is a bad person or That Guy at all; I just genuinely fear he’ll be looked at that way because of what he’s saying. I totally believe him when he says he’s got no evil or mean intent.
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I didn't read him
saying he says stuff like that, just that he thought if it was on the ice in the heat of the moment it isn’t a big deal. Obviously I disagree with that, but I didn’t read him saying that he does it himself.
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notafullcolon CS: Well obviously I meant we were snorting blow off hookers at the time of the goal
yeah, I guess I was responding to both this and his post from yesterday as they sort of blurred together in my mind.
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I dont go running around town yelling this stuff
im not a bad guy, and anyone who knows me knows im one of the most compassionate and sympathetic persons, and dont worry i know you didnt mean that, this is a hot button topic and i know people will have different points of view on it, it sure did start quite the discussion tho. i guess what i was trying to say is that you cant police everything that is said, in sport or in day to day life, and i find it to be almost a lost cause. im not going to stop using the terms, and if people take offense then they take offense, and if that makes them think of me as a horrible person then thats their opinion and i respect that.
You should know (and you do seem to) that how you speak, and I mean that in a very broad way, not just relating to this conversation, will very quickly lead people to assumptions about you. When people around me use “gay” as “bad,” I stop them and ask what they mean. Most people get taken aback; few people think about it closely.
People can think what they like. No problem there. But the moment you put it in public (even if you don’t realize that it was public), you affect other people.
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notafullcolon CS: Well obviously I meant we were snorting blow off hookers at the time of the goal
it took a sec eh?
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notafullcolon CS: Well obviously I meant we were snorting blow off hookers at the time of the goal
And now we’ve made some assumptions about you. :)
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it's ok
we don’t judge you for putting it out in public
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Damn right we don’t! In fact, we want pictures and everything.
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errrrrrr
no we don’t
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notafullcolon CS: Well obviously I meant we were snorting blow off hookers at the time of the goal
Well, I think
there’s probably a line that can be used… I disagree that a friend would be uncomfortable coming out to me if I drop a Fag bomb for joke in the proper situation… don’t misread my comments above to say that I run around with my friends saying ‘fag fag fag’…that’s not the point I was making. In my social circle, people are of various colors, religions, sexual orientations and body types. Offense is neither meant or taken from certain things said in certain contexts. Amongst a social circle sometimes things can be said that aren’t said amongst acquaintances. My point was just that…it comes out sometimes, and it’s totally not meant or taken as hurtful. I don’t think there’s a person here who’s never said a word that could be taken offensively by the wrong person. We have to make our own judgements as to when something can be said in an innocent way, and occasionally we make mistakes.
I live an extremely multi-racial family (I’m half Indian, adopted, my sister is a lesbian Aboriginal, also adopted, my one white brother married a japanese girl, the other white brother married a Black girl and my girl is Filipina/Indian), so maybe growing up in a situation like that gave me a different tool kit, but tolerance doesn’t mean censorship.
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by Twitchy2010 on Sep 28, 2011 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions
but tolerance doesnāt mean censorship
hooray!!
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by Angy on Sep 28, 2011 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, I think I didn't say that well...
I think that there are places where words do need to be censored, and on the ice by pros is one of those places. I’m not on your side here Angy, I’m just stating that there’s a time and place where a statement can be seen as less offensive. I don’t think any NHL player should use any prejudiced word on the ice. And prejudiced words should NEVER be used in anger or to hurt…
My concern with all this is that the gradients are very slim. OK, so we should never call someone a fag or a nigger or a paki or fatty as a method of inflicting hurt; I would like to think everyone understands that, it should be common sense. What about the next level, where a player calls someone a bitch or pansy or pussy or even (as the video stanchion posted yesterday showed), a ‘fucking woman’? Cuz to me those are all almost as egregious, even though i giggled at that. At what point does someone take offense to ‘bitch’ and try to take that out of the game? And if that happens, is it good or bad?
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by Twitchy2010 on Sep 28, 2011 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions
That's the thing
This wasn’t censored. What is the damage if only the people on the ice heard this, rather than a hundred blogs and news organizations making it the lead NHL story?
by meetyourmako on Sep 28, 2011 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree...i think?
there are so many words used to “trash talk” because those words are trash. it doesnt matter what word it is, somewhere someone will be offended by it. i could call you a hippie…and im sure somewhere theres a hippie burning out going, WTF IS THAT SUPPOSED TO MEAN!
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notafullcolon CS: Well obviously I meant we were snorting blow off hookers at the time of the goal
Righteous indignation.
Now would you go running off to the gay and lesbian rights lobbyists if i were to call you a british slang for a cigarette? or any such slur. Probably not 1 because we should both know I’m not targetting the gay community because frankly I dont care what they do, and that if i called you or your story gay it wasn’t because youre story or yourself (likely) aren’t into stories or writers of the same persuasion sexually, but rather that you’re too sensitive or the story in itself is lame weak or some other stereotype related to male on male relations (theres nothing weak, or unexciting about lesbian stereotypes)
Now this story or the hype really isnt about Simmonds or Avery or whatever either of them intended. It’s really about an overly sensitive politically correct public being taken advantage of by a special interest group with an agenda and the opportunity to get the spot light. Had Avery been jewish you can believe you would see this in the UN and Isreal bringing up a 60 yr old faction of a european government and the atrocities they committed and which somehow the entire world is still guilty of allowing to occur and having it rubbed in our faces and us having to pay for it as a result.
Now i’ve called people a fag before and probably will again, and not because I believe the guy is gay, or that he’s a slang term for a cigarette, but because he’s a jerk or something somewhat harsher than that. Do I associate the term fag with ones sexuality, no not really, if i wanted to be insensitive to ones sexuality i’m alot more creative than that and honestly the english language changes its meanings on a regular basis, the insults of the past weren’t their original meanings and in the case of fag probably isnt the meaning of a gay male either, or not as much as it used to be.
Am I insensitive the the plight of a gay male/female? No because I don’t care, like gay marriage it doesn’t affect my life one way or the other, get married I don’t care and isn’t that the actual goal of acceptance to have people not make a big deal out of your personal life choices?
Like everything else about bullying if you make a big deal out of it, you give it power and you hurt yourself as a result. If he called Avery a pumpkin with the same amount of venom and hate he might have called him a fag it would hurt. It’s not the word its the tone and intent.
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notafullcolon CS: Well obviously I meant we were snorting blow off hookers at the time of the goal
That was the FIRST thing that came to my mind. 6 more months.. omg. I already spent the last 3 weeks replaying Mass Effect 1 and 2.
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by Vancouverguy on Sep 28, 2011 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm in the middle of ME2 right now...
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by Vancouverguy on Sep 28, 2011 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions
I wish I could get that from Sean
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by Sean Zandberg on Sep 29, 2011 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions
what
I mean, are you serious? Is this for real?
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I was trying to write a rebuttal but I don’t know where to start.
This is a really, really bad post.
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I found something to say to it!
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notafullcolon CS: Well obviously I meant we were snorting blow off hookers at the time of the goal
Am I insensitive the the plight of a gay male/female? No because I donāt care
Hahaha.
Okay, thanks.
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It’s funny because the definition of insensitive is not caring
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
A perfect example of the change in english language
The intepretation of insensitive when applied to a agenda is to be anti. I’m apathetic not insensitive
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Are we to blame for finding being called a “faggot” insulting? In the public forum we are all happy to say that we don’t care what other people do and that we have nothing against gays, but do you like being called homosexual? If it is insulting to you, does that make you homophobic in some way?
by meetyourmako on Sep 28, 2011 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions
seriously?
like, this is a serious post, right?
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notafullcolon CS: Well obviously I meant we were snorting blow off hookers at the time of the goal
I just mean that I see a lot of people argue that “gay” is just coming to mean “bad” and I don’t think it is. I think it still means gay and people say it because others don’t like to be called gay. The same other people who claim they have no problems with homosexuality.
by meetyourmako on Sep 28, 2011 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions
But why don’t they like to be called gay? That’s kind of the crux here
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That’s what I was trying to get at, but I think I’m failing.
by meetyourmako on Sep 28, 2011 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions
you may not think so
but when you call someone “a fucking faggot” or “don’t be so Gay” I REALLY don’t think you are trying to say is “Hey, you’re such a great person!” or “don’t be so awesome!”
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by Canuckles on Sep 28, 2011 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
if you called me gay
A) im not homosexual
so would assume that
B) you meant stupid or lame.
Why?
because my sexuality isnt an issue nor was it intented message. B was.
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right, so you were insulted, by using a term in a way that implies people who are represented by said term are stupid and lame
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 28, 2011 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions
No more
than being called a pumpkin, or a tea bagger. How could I be insulted? Gay isnt wrong, we’re being inundated with the knowledge that there is nothing wrong with being gay its perfectly natural. Why should it be insulting?
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The reasoning is what you said in your own post:
that if i called you or your story gay it wasnāt because youre story or yourself (likely) arenāt into stories or writers of the same persuasion sexually, but rather that youāre too sensitive or the story in itself is lame weak or some other stereotype related to male on male relations
You are associating being gay with being weak, or overly sensitive, or some other undesirable characteristic. So you are, in fact, saying there is something wrong with it. .
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No im giving
alternate definition of the word. Like this thread is gay. not because the thread can have any form of sexual orientation or that im against homosexuals. but rather because i think its stupid.
having said that homosexuals are no more stupid than anyone else on this planet, but like all human beings are fundamentally retarded.
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if you think the thread is stupid, call it stupid.
what if i called your argument a n###er because I thought it was stupid? it’s just an alternate definition!
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 28, 2011 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions
And
the literal root of the word is niger or black. It wasnt the word that was offensive it was the people saying it.
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no, it was the meaning behind the word
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 28, 2011 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions
the basis for "gay" or "faggot" being an insult
is the suggestion that there is something wrong with homosexuality. It doesn’t matter what YOU think. What matters is what you are suggesting to the rest of the world, and what you are suggesting, is that there is a link between homosexuality and stupidity/inadequacy/abnormality
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notafullcolon CS: Well obviously I meant we were snorting blow off hookers at the time of the goal
Insults work
on the basis that you find truth in what is said and that you’re uncomfortable with that truth, or the insinuation of that truth is offensive. So modern society states that being homosexual is natural normal and completely acceptable.
That being said, the person using the insult is a jerk, he’s assualting you, and has issues. It doesn’t matter what insult he uses the goal is to hurt. The chance its to perpetuate the oppression of a specific group is unlikely, and those people should be shot or castrated.
The second part of the insult is the acceptance. So the best defence against an insult especially if its against your specific trait, (to stay with this example) is to know that being gay is normal, be comfortable with yourself, and know the insulter is an idiot.
The insult should be the issue. If you’re shot the type of ammo they used isnt the problem its the fact the asshole just shot you!
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so more or less
you would shift responsibility for change onto others, rather than accept that everyone has a role to curb offensive stereotyping.
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notafullcolon CS: Well obviously I meant we were snorting blow off hookers at the time of the goal
Ending an arguement
Is it our fault that it is insulting for:
Germans to be called “Nazis”
African-Americans to be called “Nigger”
Overweight people to be called “fat”
Smart people to be called “nerds”
No it is not our fault. But we need to be sensitive to their situation.
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by Kieran gunn on Sep 28, 2011 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions
I’ve read a lot of dumb things on the internet, but this cake’s it
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 28, 2011 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
How so?
because im not up in arms? not insulted as a result of one person insulting another? because i honestly dont care what simmonds told avery. Am I supposed to be outraged? Is it outrage worthy? is it international news worthy? No its not its a waste of time and resources. This isnt a case of homophobia, because simmonds isnt a gaybasher he probably could care less what averys orientation is.
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please continue reading to the very next reply to your post!
Here, I’ll quote it for you:
The issue is not whether youāre homophobic or not.
The issue is whether you use terms for a group of people to casually mean "bad."
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Sep 28, 2011 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions
The word
only has the meaning given to it a word is not inherently bad.
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So, to clarify: Just because a hateful slur has been used as a hateful slur for many years, in this one particular special case it’s no longer bad?
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Sep 28, 2011 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions
No
It’s bad because people wont stop freaking out about it. Think of it as a mosquito bite. Keep scratching it and it gets worse. Ignore it, tell people to ignore it and they stop getting infected
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No, that’s not how it works, because ignoring it leads to it becoming more and more common, which leads to institutionalized discrimination.
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This isnt
a case of discrimination. He wasn’t insulting Avery over his orientation. He didnt target Avery because of his orientation. And Avery isnt being discriminated against.
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(Even though it’s being used as an insult)
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Sep 28, 2011 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions
How
do you deal with someone calling you names?
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So it’s cool to insult people, call everyone names, everyone should just get thick skin so we all walk around insulting each other all the time?
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Semi, you're getting O/T
I think what he’s getting at, is that gay people should grow up and deal with institutionalized discrimination.
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by Canuckles on Sep 28, 2011 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I know you’re kidding, but that’s really what he’s saying. He’s saying “if you don’t like being insulted just shut up and accept it”
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I know that's what he's saying
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notafullcolon CS: Well obviously I meant we were snorting blow off hookers at the time of the goal
No
but is the issue the insult or that it was a slur against a special interest group, despite the fact the homosexual community wasnt the target
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excuse me
a special interest group?
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notafullcolon CS: Well obviously I meant we were snorting blow off hookers at the time of the goal
Anyone
who lobbies on behalf of a community in the political forum such as the gay and lesbian rights group that is raising the outrage is a special interest group
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ah yes
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notafullcolon CS: Well obviously I meant we were snorting blow off hookers at the time of the goal
I have to say, for a page picking apart the way people use the word “literally,” they sure misuse the word “implying” a lot.
by meetyourmako on Sep 28, 2011 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions
“special interest group” is the term usually thrown around to dismiss the views of another group that you don’t agree with. people in favour of public education are a “special interest group” as much as the gay and lesbian community.
Or
a group that has a special interest in the political forum
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Such as equality?
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Their
goal isnt an issue. They still have an agenda on behalf of a specific community
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Yes. What are you against here? Why is a group lobbying for something logical a problem? Your quite insane original post regarding Israel made my head spin. Help me out here.
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If Simmonds insulted
Avery by calling him a name other than Fag
such as dork nerd loser? Would we care?
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You should be able to see the difference here.
It’s becoming obvious that either a) you’ve lost your direction in this argument and are confused about what people are saying or b) you’re purposefully taking the discussion off course to “win.”
I don’t like those scenarios so I’m going to stop.
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Im
confused what people are upset about.
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My post was
about the ridiculous attention this is getting and that frankly I don’t care. This wasnt a hate crime it was an insult between two immature adults. Why is gay any worse than loser or idiot?
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Because idiots aren’t well represented.
by meetyourmako on Sep 28, 2011 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions
And it’s incredibly obvious why groups that are discriminated against for things they can’t change are different from “nerds”, “losers” and “dorks.” If you honestly don’t get this or accept this, no amount of explanation is going to save it.
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pretty much, can’t say it’s ever been illegal for dorks to marry, or that nerds had to use separate water fountains.
the term is derogatory, the use in ANY way as an insult is improper and insensitive
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 28, 2011 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Canadian
Its legal here. Americans have the issues.
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only until recently
you do realize that being Gay was, up until only about 30 years ago, a Criminal offence?
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notafullcolon CS: Well obviously I meant we were snorting blow off hookers at the time of the goal
I was 3.
Am I to blame for the decisions of the catholic church 1000 years ago?
I don’t care what peoples orientations are, to me its a non issue. If more people felt the way i do there wouldnt be any discriminations towards gays. Thats the whole point. If noone cared noone would be offended, noone would feel the need to stuff their moral opinion down your throa t and noone would be hurt as result.
The people who are targetted would be a hell of alot happier if noone cared, unless their goal is attention.
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and if fewer people felt the need
to insult people using the characteristics of a historically persecuted group, thus perpetuating the long-held stereotypes of said group, there would be even less discrimination.
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notafullcolon CS: Well obviously I meant we were snorting blow off hookers at the time of the goal
and every colour of the rainbow can now drink from water fountains in the states, point stands mumbles
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 28, 2011 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions
?
Seriously. If Avery was in fact gay, and targetted because he was gay. Then yes this would be an outrage. Simmonds would be barred from hockey and prosecuted for hate crimes. What im arguing was that this wasnt the case and the sensationalism is more of an issue than the lack of respect between players.
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you don't get it
Simmonds called Avery “a Faggot”
What do you suppose he meant by that? That Sean Avery dresses really well and gets along great with women?
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notafullcolon CS: Well obviously I meant we were snorting blow off hookers at the time of the goal
BECAUSE THE WORD IS A DEROGATORY REMARK ABOUT HOMOSEXUALS THAT IMPLIES BEING HOMOSEXUAL IS, IN FACT, A BAD THING.
MAYBE IF I TYPE IN CAPS YOU WILL FINALLY GET IT FOR THE 100TH TIME SOMEONE HAS SAID IT TO YOU
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 28, 2011 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
When does 1 insult
have more pain causing effect than another?
I know there’s nothing wrong with being gay. In nature there it is pretty standard to see acts of homosexuality in every mammal on the planet.
Only humans get insulted.
Straight humans more than homosexuals ones.
Now I see that sexuality insults are very powerful to you. I respect that.
However I don’t see them as any more harmful than any other insult, delivered with the same venom.
So… My saying its no worse in my mind than any other insult.
I find being called a loser very damaging as I’ve heard it my whole life. More painful than being called a faggot. Which i would take the same as being called lame.
Now is insulting anyone OK?
No its not. Are all insults equal depends on the target, and the intent of the deliverer.
Is every insult worthy of Internationl outrage?
If only that was the case.
Was this one worthy of International outrage?
If Avery was gay. Simmonds knew Avery was gay and targetted him accordingly.
Now is using the term faggot ever ok. Not unless you’re talking about a stick or a cigarette. The bundle of sticks being the official definition of the word. Which was then used to describe a pack of smokes.
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you are clearly not even trying to get the point
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 28, 2011 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions
If avery was shot
by simmonds would the issue be the ammo or the fact he got shot.
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the difference between a BB and a bullet is pretty big
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 28, 2011 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
and
im not trying to get the point?
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your point was that an insult is an insult and getting shot is getting shot
my point was that an insult like nerd is like getting shot with a BB and an insult like f#g is like getting shot with a bullet
or were you reaching for something even more convoluted?
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 28, 2011 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions
I think they’re just called “reasonable people”
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Sep 28, 2011 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions
or rather
“people” as I am sure there are, in equal proportion to straight people, idiot gay people, unreasonable gay people, mean gay people, nice gay people, smart gay people, stupid gay people.
What I’m suggesting, and I know, it’s crazy, is that homosexual people tend to be quite, well, normal.
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notafullcolon CS: Well obviously I meant we were snorting blow off hookers at the time of the goal
What Iām suggesting, and I know, itās crazy, is that homosexual people tend to be quite, well, normal.
Are any of us really normal? Gay / straight / green / or whatever?
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fair point
what I meant to say is that they aren’t really all that different to us.
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notafullcolon CS: Well obviously I meant we were snorting blow off hookers at the time of the goal
Well if I walk around calling all my white friends n**gers I’m not targeting the black community but I’m still using a racist slur
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Do you
feel that african americans who use the term feel its an insult to each other?
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Actually
Sometimes.
It is always fun to play NHL 12 and hear faceless people call other faceless people racial and sexual slurs.
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by Kieran gunn on Sep 28, 2011 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions
sigh
its unacceptable. In any form. But the issue should be insults period not gay not black. But if he called Avery a Dork would it be news?
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I agree, and its not really fun at all. I cannot believe that in the 21st century that the amount of these insensitive sayings have increased, rather than decreased.
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by Kieran gunn on Sep 28, 2011 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Im sure they havent
The outrage and sensationalism has.
I doubt the majority of homosexuals in the world care what you call another guy as long as theyre given equal status to play hockey ect. Straight players get insulted every day. Should the losing team hold a press conference every time a member is called a loser?
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how could someone feel comfortable playing when an important part of their identity is one of the go-to insults?
And equating “dork” to “gay” is absolutely foolish. One is a applying a (mildly hurtful) label to how someone acts, the other is using someone’s identity as the attack. It isn’t the same.
Some gay people no doubt don’t care what you call people, and some do care. That neither justifies nor defends the act. Language creates culture, and culture creates society. So long as language referring to one group is used as an attack, that group will be excluded from equal participation in the society.
by NS_Cix on Sep 28, 2011 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm pretty sure your lack of outrage
is not what was substantially wrong with that post man.
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notafullcolon CS: Well obviously I meant we were snorting blow off hookers at the time of the goal
This is a bad post, it's true. But let's try to help.
The issue is not whether you’re homophobic or not.
The issue is whether you use terms for a group of people to casually mean “bad.”
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very succinct
I like it
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notafullcolon CS: Well obviously I meant we were snorting blow off hookers at the time of the goal
That was one of the points I was trying to make
that while i used the word, I didnt use it as a term for any group of people. That for me its taken on a different definition.
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and yet
it also refers to a particular sexual orientation, so the fact you are co-opting it associates people who hold said sexual orientation with the insulting phrase you are making. So you not only insult the target, as planned, you make an entire minority group your collateral damage.
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notafullcolon CS: Well obviously I meant we were snorting blow off hookers at the time of the goal
So what then
erase the word from the dictionary. It officially means a bundle of sticks. The latin word niger means black. It isn’t the word its the person saying it. Meanings change and i’m arguing that gay is a word that has evolved past sexual orientation insults.
Gay I believe, at least for me back to a more original meaning, to be exceptionally happy.
Like the Brady Bunch. For me its a term that means uncool or lame.
Fag originally meant a bundle of sticks or a cigarette and in the rest of the world its still means cigarette.
The intent of the person uttering the word and the target of those words is far more important than the word itself. Whatever you may think the word is slang for, it wasn’t said to you and your interpretation while interesting doesn’t have any bearing on the conversation.
Should the target take offense by all means join in the outrage. Sean Avery hasn’t said a word on the matter. Why the hell are we?
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Sorry, but saying “it wasn’t said to you, so you can’t comment on it or be outraged” is just plain dumb. By that logic, I should just ignore everything going on in the world, like famines or genocides, because they aren’t happening to me.
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umm
I said if the victim is upset be upset
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I know, I said “why can’t others be upset if the victim isn’t upset”
And do you know that Avery wasn’t upset? Did he say he wasn’t upset?
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Hasn’t said anything. The NHL will have heard from avery, will have kicked simmonds butt. Now he’s being judged by the national media and the entire sport of hockey is being judged as homophobic.
Was Simmonds wrong yes. Do I need to know every detail about it no! Simmonds called Avery a name. I saw the title new he was bad I dont need the play by play, every news writers opinion on the matter. Or everybody upset about it.
I don’t care. Homophobia is ridiculous. The people who are the most against it are the people who are the least affected by it. The whole situation to me is outrageous. I haven’t heard the term in years I could go the rest of my life without hearing it.
It had its moment its over with I’m sick of it. The people who are arguing this, the people who paid attention, the people who are upset are not the people who are the homophobic bigots out there. They can’t read. We aren’t changing anyone’s opinion. The majority of them believe its god’s will.
You want to stamp out intolerence and bigotry talk to the church, they started it.
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“faggot” did originally mean a bundle of stick, which would be burned in a fire. Y’know something else they burned? Homosexuals. That’s the link between the two. Real nice isn’t it? I would hazard a guess that “fag” as a cigarette comes from the same source, but is obviously a little less repugnant.
Gay certainly did mean happy, and it is likely the stereotype of homosexuals as happy dandies that lead to that slang term.
So, you’ll see that in both cases, it was the previous meaning that lead to the new meaning. Now, when you call something “gay” and you mean stupid, you clearly don’t mean “happy.” It doesn’t carry on forever. But what you are suggesting is that a completely new meaning for a word, with no relation to the old meaning, was created. Words don’t work like that.
What about
shag screw pork nail root hump ?
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because Avery isn't the "victim"
I couldn’t care less about his feelings. What I care about, is the fact it seems perfectly ok to insult him by suggesting he’s a homosexual, thus logically suggesting that homosexuality is bad and something to be ashamed of.
The “victim” is not the target of the insult, it’s the group who gets demeaned by using the source of their identity as an insult. I’m pretty sure if your name was used in a manner to disparage others, you’d be upset too. Plus there’s the dehumanizing aspect of doing it to, which lessens your “standing” in society as a less than equal member.
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notafullcolon CS: Well obviously I meant we were snorting blow off hookers at the time of the goal
Only if you're accepting
it as negative. I’ve said it before if you’re going to be offended by being called gay and you are in fact gay then you have issues. You need to take the negative from the word and say yeah im gay and? im fat so? if i sugar coat it i’ll probably eat it too im white deal with it. You take the power from the idiot.
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holy crap
you are completely not following after an entire day of discussion. Let me spell it out. Please read this time.
THE TARGET DOESN’T MATTER. ITS THE INTENT TO USE THE WORD IN A DISPARAGING WAY AND ITS ASSOCIATION WITH ANOTHER PERSON/GROUP OF PERSONS IDENTITY WHICH DOES.
Someone says “You’re such a Faggot” in an attempt to upset another. The intent is not to compliment their shoes. I don’t give one flying fuck how the recipient takes it. Maybe they find it a compliment, maybe they like it, maybe they invite the person using it to dinner. IT DOESN’T MATTER ONE IOTA. What matters, is that the defining characteristic of an entire group of people’s identity is being used to disparage another, thus creating a negative association and marginalizing that group. The onus is not on the insultee, but the insultor.
Helpful point form:
1. Person wants to insult other person.
2. Person chooses otherwise neutral word to describe a biological characteristic for their attack.
3. Person thus has created, INTENTIONALLY OR OTHERWISE, an association between the general degrading intent of the comment and the group which identifies with said characteristic – they have suggested that possessing said characteristic is worthy of shame, again, INTENTIONALLY OR OTHERWISE.
4. Insulted person’s feelings are irrelevant, what matters is the insult to every person who does, in fact, possess said characteristic who has thus been labelled subhuman, again INTENTIONALLY OR OTHERWISE.
It’s simple logic.
There are only so many times I can repeat this. If you can come up with a reply that doesn’t involve “well maybe the target of the insult doesn’t get offended by it” then we can continue this conversation. But all you are doing is replying to an argument NOBODY HERE IS MAKING.
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notafullcolon CS: Well obviously I meant we were snorting blow off hookers at the time of the goal
by Canuckles on Sep 28, 2011 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Argh
Simmonds was wrong. The word is wrong.
The insulting is wrong.
It was said he was punished get over it.
Don’t put it on the news and teach my kid. If you are a victim of insults by wayne simmonds you can deal with it by A. getting upset or B. what i said.
Does it make sense now? Do I still not get it? Are we that retarded as a group that we didnt understand that it was wrong from the very bloody start and that rather than debate if it was right or wrong rather HOW WE DEAL WITH IT!
You can try and teach the insultor he’s wrong most of them can’t read or believe God has willed them to do it. So go ahead take all the Bloody time in the world telling them theyre wrong that they marginalize and oppress and once you’re done explaining what those words mean you can try again.
Or as a victim you can take care of your damned self because waiting for stupidity to go away is pointless.
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You still don’t actually get it. Just so’s ya know.
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Seriously
its a bad word using it is wrong and the homosexual community doesn’t deserve to be treated as an insult.
Now Being gay isn’t wrong bad or subhuman we know this, stupid people wont change that fact unless you let them. Using terms to define them wont change it either. Unless you believe it.
You are arguing that Simmonds has the ability to change that if he says the word enough times.
Im saying he can use every negative word make up a few and say it with every breath until the end of time and unless you feel subhuman it doesnt matter because the rest of the intelligent world already knows you’re not.
Now you say someone who’s never heard of a homosexual before might be swayed by this argument because the hockey player said so. My father was a homophobic rascist prick and i’m neither He said alot of shit not much of it was true.
If you believe something just because someone else said it then you’re an idiot too.
Did making it a big news story expose it to alot more people. Did that bad hockey player get a larger platform.
What don’t I get?
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I look forward tot he NHL approved list of bad words
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Sep 28, 2011 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions
how the heck is Chris Higgins in there?
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it’s a bad word
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Sep 28, 2011 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions
let me guess: dating back to when he was a Hab?
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I didn’t exactly start liking him afterwards, either
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Sep 28, 2011 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions
I woulda laughed
if you said ‘darcy hordichuk’ or something…
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by Twitchy2010 on Sep 28, 2011 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions
You can switch in Ohlund if you want
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Sep 28, 2011 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions
last i checked, we were still okay with Ohlie.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Sep 28, 2011 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Woof, that new auto-subject thing is gonna get me in trouble.
Anyhow, I was gonna say that I’m not a fan of his. Not since the two-hander incident.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Sep 28, 2011 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions
i know, that Subject thing is so messed up. at least people will remember titles on their images from now on, i hope……
you’ll have to remind me about this “two-hander incident”, i am not familiar with it.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Sep 28, 2011 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions
oh yeah, that would be a problem.
that was before i became a die-hard Canucks fan, though. still in my casual time then.
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I was also learning to love hockey at that point, it’s all good.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Sep 28, 2011 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions
that
wasn’t pretty…
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notafullcolon CS: Well obviously I meant we were snorting blow off hookers at the time of the goal
Yeah, not his finest hour. Koivu was out for a month with a broken leg. And considering how important Koivu is to the Wild….Ohlund is a jerk.
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notafullcolon CS: Well obviously I meant we were snorting blow off hookers at the time of the goal
Agreed: a bad word.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Sep 28, 2011 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions
even more so
if you were a Canucks fan hahahaha
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I was saying we should have played the finals for the rights to stake his head on our building.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Sep 28, 2011 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions
(tries to not laugh cause I like the guys here)
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I really think this needs to flagged. And Angy needs a timeout for snickering.
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by Yankee Canuck on Sep 28, 2011 12:54 PM PDT via iPhone app up reply actions
*shakes fist
Damn you Cornelius Hardenbergh!
as an aside, your name fits into that very well.
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notafullcolon CS: Well obviously I meant we were snorting blow off hookers at the time of the goal
Maybe I just don’t get the difference between the banana incident and this, then.
If the case that people are making for slurs against homosexuals (which is an odd sentence to write in itself) is that it’s just a word, that it shoudln’t mean anything to the people it’s offending and that it’s difficult to “un-train” yourself to use it, then are racist slurs any different? Obviously a person doesn’t choose their skin color and as any normal person will agree a person doesn’t choose their sexual orientation. So aside from throwing a banana on the ice, which Mario Kart has taught me is dangerous, are the monkey noises and ape movements alright? Both are offensive, both are signs of indifference and insensitivity (and yes, obviously the racist examples are more offensive).
But this probably isn’t even an example of using the word to insult someone’s stupidity; this is Sean Avery and we all know his history with gay rights. There was the obvious intent to use the word for what it means.
So I just want to know, when some player comes along and calls a Simmonds a ******, we’re all okay with that?
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So aside from throwing a banana on the ice, which Mario Kart has taught me is dangerous
another thing i miss from my childhood.
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I just realized that our new WII game (Super Mario) is full of racist slurs, since banana peels are all over the place, and some of the drivers are black. Now what do I tell to my son?
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i mean as in i haven’t played it in forever!
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If we have two people debating an issue: Sean Avery and Charlie Sheen. Who do you think has more credibility?
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by Kieran gunn on Sep 28, 2011 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd go with Charlie Sheen.
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by meetyourmako on Sep 28, 2011 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions
also his brother played a hockey coach and his dad is a boss.
by meetyourmako on Sep 28, 2011 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions
I pick option C: Neither
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I assumed you would pick Ashton Kutcher
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by Kieran gunn on Sep 28, 2011 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Nah … too young.
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True but she’s has the money to hide her wrinkles as she ages.
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Hey be sensitive here.
They just broke up. I hear he went for a younger woman.
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haha I am not the sensitive type and it was bound to happen. Plus she’s better off —> now she can find a guy that really knows what he’s doing. ;)
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notafullcolon CS: Well obviously I meant we were snorting blow off hookers at the time of the goal
really?
It says “Instant Rimshot” at the top and you have to click on it, so you should have at least had an idea as what was coming and when.
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notafullcolon CS: Well obviously I meant we were snorting blow off hookers at the time of the goal
I personally think Avery is a douchebag. Thing is, Simmonds could have called him almost any kind of insult and it never would have been reported. His choice of words put him on the radar in the first place. Had he yelled “Fucking Douchebag”, odds are nobody would have even heard about the entire thing.
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Personally I loved the series last year, and will watch it this year. Unfortunately I could not watch it with my 9 year old. Who likes hockey but hates how much I watch it.
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yeah, some language in there.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Sep 28, 2011 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions
My 7 yr old loved it.
I tried to mute the F words, but I was always a fraction of a second late, so at the end, all we could hear WAS the F word..
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This is definetely not the first time
That Avery has been the subject of ridicule because of his perceived homosexuality.. James Wisniewski incident comes to mind. I was puzzled at the time as to what it had to do with Avery but now it seems to be common knowledge in the NHL that he is gay.
If he is indeed gay, I feel for him because there is no way it can be easy to be a gay man in the NHL unless youre Mark Messier
Avery is gay?
Didn’t know. Whats with the Phaneuf incident then? bisexual maybe. Did Simmonds know? Am I supposed to be offended on behalf of Avery? If i were gay and someone called me a faggot (i assume that was the term i didnt want the video) i wouldn’t be offended because
A) im gay and being called gay wouldnt upset me as i would be well aware of the fact.
B) having gay friends Im well aware they call each other faggot all the time and would probably have heard the word before.
If I were Avery and i knew Simmonds was targetting my sexuality have blown him a kiss.
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and yet
the crux of Simmonds’ insult was still “Avery is gay, therefore something is wrong with him”
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notafullcolon CS: Well obviously I meant we were snorting blow off hookers at the time of the goal
So let’s approach this differently – the point of an insult is to belittle someone. To say something is wrong with them. If he used any other insult, would that be acceptable? Or are we trying to say we shouldn’t insult at all. If we took out all the sexual, racial, orientation insults off the table and used what was left – would people then turn around and say “hold up, let’s not insult at all. it’s hurting our feelings”?
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Seems a bit silly to argue the slippery slope of the future when there’s an issue at hand…
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This issue is settled. No punishment to be had. But I’m asking for people’s opinion. What do you think people would then object to if those other insults were no longer used.
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The issue obviously being the debate that’s going on.
Essentially right now what you’re arguing is that if we get rid of a few really, really stupid terms that people use there will be a slippery slope for insults in general. And that’s so flimsy a discussion topic that I don’t know what our goal is. PErsonally I think people would always object to racially or sexually derogatory terms, as well as a few others, and then people would object to other racially or sexually derogatory terms that crop up over time.
I just don’t see a negative side in trying to limit a few truly insensitive terms from a game that is, after all, just entertainment for the public. The upsides are incalculable.
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"Because you are the most arrogant poster I have ever encountered. And I knew yoata pretty well. I hate arrogance."
its just entertainment for the public
but for these entertainers its their life and how they make a living to support their families…thought i would throw that out there
If it was relevant I’d understand you throwing it out there, but I don’t understand what you’re getting at.
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"Because you are the most arrogant poster I have ever encountered. And I knew yoata pretty well. I hate arrogance."
im saying that to us fans its "just a game"
but to the people who make a living from this “game” it isnt just a game
and the only 2 people involved directly in this situation dont look at hockey as just a game, its their life and they are clearly passionate about it
i just disagree with the idea that hockey is just a game and nothing more than entertainment
Ok. Well, the NHL is just a game for public consumption, as much as we love it. It’s a job, yes, and the players are all lucky they don’t have to get real jobs and have real problems. But in any sport it’s sometimes forgotten that impressionable people are watching, and that famous athletes are speaking from a platform whenever they speak. Whether it’s on the ice and they’re “mic’d” up/near the boards, or in a post game scrum. So if the most difficult obstacle they face in earning a million dollars a year is not saying “faggot” or similar words on the ice, pardon me if I don’t give a shit.
I hope the NHL does discipline players if this sort of thing happens again, because it’s frankly time to grow up and come out of our caves.
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"Because you are the most arrogant poster I have ever encountered. And I knew yoata pretty well. I hate arrogance."
you dont think they have real problems?
lots of nhl players have “real” problems. many of them are married(first problem)with children and im sure that traveling half the year away from their wife and kids is a “real” problem for some of them. i think this summer has proved that they are just as human as anyone else. do you think rypien, belak and boogaard didnt have “real” problems? and the fact they( some) make a million dollars shouldnt matter all that much, considering they dont play until they are 60 or 65 when they would normally retire if they had “real” jobs, so that brings another problem up, what do they do after they retire? im pretty sure they have many “Real” problems like the rest of us
as for your other point, it shouldnt be very hard to not say faggot, but we will see how well that works
This isn’t the point so I’ll leave it at this: no, I don’t think they have real life problems such as struggling to survive at the poverty line, receiving poor education, living in neighborhoods rife with crime and drugs. I think they have rich people problems and I will never sympathize with that. Mental illness and disability can strike anyone at any time, so adding them into the mix is not relevant to the discussion.
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"Because you are the most arrogant poster I have ever encountered. And I knew yoata pretty well. I hate arrogance."
i guess it depends what you think real life problems are
everyone has problems within their respective lives, some more serious to some people than others
i agree they dont have the same problems as others but that doesnt mean they dont have problems
i guess we could sum this up to differing opinions
They are different problems, and something like keeping your child properly fed is the more important one.
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"Because you are the most arrogant poster I have ever encountered. And I knew yoata pretty well. I hate arrogance."
the problem here
is that you two seem to be talking about the target. We don’t care about the target right now. The objection is that the use of the word(s) as an insult, rather than as a mere descriptor (Oh, John is Gay? That’s nice), perpetuates a negative stereotype in society towards homosexuals.
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notafullcolon CS: Well obviously I meant we were snorting blow off hookers at the time of the goal
Yes. I get that. I don’t know if the other person gets that. But I’m asking a completely different question.
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I don't care about hurt feelings
I care about language perpetuating discrimination within society, i.e. “if you’re a member of that group, you aren’t as ‘normal’ as others.”
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notafullcolon CS: Well obviously I meant we were snorting blow off hookers at the time of the goal
Here's a good example of where this can lead.
Graeme Le Saux was a top footballer in England for many years playing for Chelsea, Blackburn and the England national team. But for most of the these years he had had to endure homophobic slurs, despite the fact that he isn’t even gay. What started out as a joke in the locker room (his team mates started taking the piss out of him because he didn’t fit the sterotype of a typical jock – i.e. he had an IQ over 50 and read a newspaper) led to taunts from opposition players and, eventually, opposing fans (including a delightful story of a father and 10 year old son hurling homophobic abuse at him from the stands).
I understand this is an extreme example, but it shows why we shouldn’t just accept these kinds of insults. It speaks volumes that Graeme Le Saux actually felt relieved when he retired from football after 14 years as a professional as he no longer had to endure taunts about his sexuality (made even more ironic by the fact that he isn’t even gay).
by British Canuck on Sep 28, 2011 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions
So this thread is internet catnip. WAY TO GO KENT.
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Kent drops a bomb
then takes off. Way to go man.
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notafullcolon CS: Well obviously I meant we were snorting blow off hookers at the time of the goal
hey I didn't so much take off
as go to work… you know, what you should all have been doing instead of hanging around here :p
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notafullcolon CS: Well obviously I meant we were snorting blow off hookers at the time of the goal
for anyone who hasnt heard of carl sagan
this video should be a huge eye opener, and might get everyone thinking a little more as 1 and stop focusing on issues like this
Unless you believe that focusing on issues like this actually helps people think more as one. Focus on and eliminate the bigotry.
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Like
multiculturalism helped Vancouvers ethnic groups become a community?
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sarcasm?
because its pretty clear there is less multiculturalism and more segregation
and yes i have friends of all races, and live in chin…err richmond
yes sarcasm
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What the hell are you trying to say now? Because we haven’t achieved perfect harmony that multiculturalism is a bad thing? Sorry pal but just because groups of people associate with people most similar to themselves doesn’t mean there are no benefits. You are really reaching right now and it’s embarrassing to read.
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"Because you are the most arrogant poster I have ever encountered. And I knew yoata pretty well. I hate arrogance."
My point is
The majority of society aren’t bigots. We don’t care what your ethnicity or sexual preference is. We don’t need it shoved down our throat. We don’t need the righteous outcry.
You’re more pissed off about this than Sean Avery!
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And you seem to fall into the part of society that believes that saying “don’t use the word faggot” is too much.
I don’t know what else to say. You just don’t get it.
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"Because you are the most arrogant poster I have ever encountered. And I knew yoata pretty well. I hate arrogance."
No
I’m saying don’t use the word as a reference to sexual orientation in the hopes of oppressing or hurting someone.
If you’re referring to a bundle of sticks go ahead, asking for a cigarette go for it.
Honestly if it wasnt for the media or the social outrage of everyone not involved. A young generation would never have heard the word to start with.
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No, what you said was “We don’t need it shoved down our throat. We don’t need the righteous outcry.”
Sorry, but social issues are discussed and debated. Not accepting bullshit like the word faggot being okay to use as an insult is important.
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"Because you are the most arrogant poster I have ever encountered. And I knew yoata pretty well. I hate arrogance."
Noone is accepting shit
Ive argued the whole time that insults aren’t acceptable and that faggot isnt special so stop treating it like is.
Words have no meaning except what we give them. You want to give it power go for it.
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So we should just ignore things like this and let people call each other whatever derogatory terms that they want?
Pretty sure Sagan was for things like equality for all and non-discrimination
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That would be a truly horrible situation, but that seems to be what they’re advocating.
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"Because you are the most arrogant poster I have ever encountered. And I knew yoata pretty well. I hate arrogance."
let's ask
Serious question, because I’ve gotten totally lost as to what some here are trying to advocate for (and I’m pretty sure they’re not just saying “everyone needs to relax about things I don’t care about because it makes ME feel icky”). Best case scenario, you (plural) get to wave a magic wand and everyone involved in this conversation agrees to think how you want them to think — What is it that you want to hear?
I’ll start off, keeping in mind I’m pretty certain this will never happen in my lifetime…in a perfect world where everyone always thinks exactly the way I want them to, I’d get to hear, "Wow Pseu, I never really thought about how calling people “gay” and “girl” as insults could be hurtful, not to mention contribute to creating a social situation where gays and women don’t feel safe to talk about what’s important to them without being mocked. I’ll try to notice from now on when I’m doing this, because I’m not an intolerant and offensive person, and if I’ve been using intolerant and offensive speech I’m very sorry, and I’ll try to stop. It’s a bit inconvenient, but my inconvenience really doesn’t compare to the pain I’ve been unconsciously causing people with my freely chosen words, so I’ll work past that slightly uncomfortable feeling and just start off by noticing when I’m using those words in that way, and deciding if that’s what I really want to do. After all, if I don’t mean it as an insult, there’s really no reason for me to spend my time arguing for my right to use it as an insult anyways, especially now that I’ve been informed about the consequences to others."
And while I’m dreaming, if you want to add, “And also, I realize I don’t have the right to go around telling people what they should and should not feel bad about, because my experiences are not universal,” I will totally mail you a pony.
So again, how does this end for YOU guys, best case scenario?
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That
Wayne Simmonds gets yelled at by Campbell, apologizes to Avery. The end. I hope and believe that homophobia is a thing of the past, at least in my life it is.
People sexual orientations are not topics of national news and my kid doesnt learn the word faggot from the TV.
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Here is what I’d say in the end, because I don’t want to write from someone else’s point-of-view.
Both words are offensive to groups that are used to being marginalized. An individual can look past any word they feel like, but every group is made up of individuals and not every one is going to feel the same way. Many of those individuals are young or impressionable or scared and what you do affects them whether or not you realize it. I don’t expect people to be blissfully ignorant in a world full of hate, but I expect them to be able to not say a single offensive word in order to lessen the culture of hate that the words create. Grow up and fix your vocabulary, don’t pretend it’s as simple as people getting over something or disassociating the word with the definition.
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"Because you are the most arrogant poster I have ever encountered. And I knew yoata pretty well. I hate arrogance."
no not ignore, look beyond it
these little things, he called him that and thats not nice and it upsets these people, people need to look past it, look past the differences and see that we should be working together
It’s going to be hard to look past differences when a lot of people still demean and marginalize others based on their race/orientation by comparing those races/orientations to being weak and otherwise inferior
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thats kind of what im saying..
is the people who demean and marginalize others need to look past those issues just like the people who get their back up
This discussion
is very close to going yoata…
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no way man
the Yoata wars were wayyyyyyyyyyyy worse
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notafullcolon CS: Well obviously I meant we were snorting blow off hookers at the time of the goal
hooooo boy
long story
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notafullcolon CS: Well obviously I meant we were snorting blow off hookers at the time of the goal
this topic reminds me
some of the most fun I had on the job reviewing and adding to our list of bad words for a chat filter.
hey you
do you have your own tickets to the open practice on Oct 8th? Because we have an extra with your name on it if you want to meet up with us. :)
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uh
(and we know each other so this is totally not skeevy.)
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I think we're looking at the same problem and taking two seperate ideas to solving it
I’m saying take away the power of the word. Flip it give it another meaning whatever it takes to stop that word from being hurtful.
Others are arguing to eradicate the word from existence. Great in theory but it wont work. You make something taboo and it gains strength. look at prohibition or sex.
More to the point we all agree its wrong we all agree on the goal of it never being used again. We’re just disagreeing on the method.
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But you believe that “taking the power” is possible when I don’t, because that’s not how language works. And I never said eradicate the word from existence, I’m talking about smart people changing their vocabulary and athletes not using it from their platforms. This is what we’re talking about when we say you’re missing the point.
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"Because you are the most arrogant poster I have ever encountered. And I knew yoata pretty well. I hate arrogance."
Well
i wont be upset if you call me an ignorant douchebag.
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it is impossible to
“take away the power of the word” as long as a) people continue to insult each other, b) the words continues to describe a group of people’s identity and c) the word is used to disparage others.
Regardless of whether or not you WANT to associate all three, they are inextricably linked to one another.
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notafullcolon CS: Well obviously I meant we were snorting blow off hookers at the time of the goal
If you think you can teach someone not to be stupid you go for it
I on the other hand am going to make it so it doesnt bother me and see if they continue to try if they dont get an reaction.,
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Alright
Let’s take a break and all go watch this video I made
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
by Semi_Colon on Sep 28, 2011 4:34 PM PDT reply actions 3 recs
it IS
an awesome video.
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I think that is a good thing.
After reading all of this one of the things I wanted to add is that I don’t think we can ignore these issues when they happen. When we ignore issues like racism or homophobia or any kind of discrimination or slur against a group of people it is as bad as saying it is acceptable.
You can’t create social change (REAL social change) by ignoring an issue. If no one had stood up and took a stand against racism in the past, it would still be an acceptable part of society today. You simply cannot eliminate discrimination by ignoring it. Racism (as an example) is not completely eliminated in our society (clearly the events of last week show that) but we have made HUGE progress towards eliminating it. But if no one had stood up against racism in the past, if no one spoke up then when that banana was thrown last week no one would have cared or said anything. Because people have stood up against racism it is no longer an accepted thing in most societies and people who do racist acts or say racist slurs are shunned (as they should be).
It is the same with discrimination against homosexuality. If we just ignore it when it happens, or when a homophobic slur is used then we may as well be saying that it is acceptable to discriminate against them (whether we think so or not). If we don’t stand up against it, then it will never change.
Just my 2 cents but that is why I am disappointed in the way the issue was “handled” (not handled) by the nhl.
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