The Noon Number: 10.71
I was muckracking my brain at the last time a Canuck prospect was such a polarizing player among fans before Cody Hodgson was. There's been quite a bit of chatter over Tony Gallagher's latest piece at The National Post.
In a year when second-line centre Ryan Kesler is hurt and there is finally an opportunity to get the gifted prospect a bona fide look in a top six spot in his right position, the first signal the player gets from his coach is yet another shot across the bow.
After eating all that humble pie by publicly stating that he wasn’t going to worry about how he was used and that he was going to concentrate on making sure he had the right attitude and worry about his own game, the first thing his coach does is send him to Calgary on the day of the game and start him with a couple of stiffs in Victor Oreskovich and Mike Duco.
Indeed. Cody Hodgson had less ice time than the following forwards in the preseason game in Calgary: Steven Anthony, Niko Dimitrakos, Alex Friesen, Mark Mancari. Neither of those players I'd expect to make the NHL Canucks (sorry, Stanch) by any stretch of the imagination. So why the ice-time discrepancy?
Ryan Kesler did not have a 20-year old season due to the lockout. In his 19-year old season, however, he was already on the Canucks. He played 28 games and did nothing terribly impressive with the Canucks or the Manitoba Moose. This brings us to our noon number: In a year where the Canucks were still pretty deep at centre (Brendan Morrison, Henrik Sedin, Artem Chubarov), the 2004 team found a way to put Ryan Kesler, warts and all, in the game for 10.71 minutes per game.
10.71 is important. Last season, Hodgson saw 7.16 minutes of ice-time as a 20-year old. He can also play the wing, and the Canucks had some injuries over the course of last season (Malhotra, Samuelsson, Raymond) and even found a place to play Peter Schaefer, a none-too-useless player, for 9.67 last season.
Let it be known, that Hodgson and Kesler are not comparable players outside of junior pedigree. Both had very strong careers as teenagers. One broke into the NHL early, one held back for whatever reason. It could be due to the salary cap, but Mike Gillis and Laurence Gilman have made enough creative maneuvers to pretty well fit anybody they bloody well please into the roster. It's unlikely that this is due to a rift between Hodgson and Alain Vigneault, but I suspect it's mostly because the Canucks right now currently do not know how to develop their own players.
Luckily, the Canucks showed patience with Kesler and, even though they didn't necessarily baby him along in game situations, they let him compete. Hodgson unfortunately had an injury that kept him out of the majority of last season but from all indications that's a thing of the past. Developing prospects is key in the new salary cap, since having a rookie play with you full-time, particularly one drafted late in the draft, is a cost-effective way to put a decent player on your team. It's science. It's #MoneyPuck, and the Canucks are not good at this aspect. The last Canuck draft-pick to become a full-time regular with the team? Mason Raymond, selected in the 2nd round of 2005.
The treatment of Sergei Shirokov last season compared with the treatment of Hodgson now? Similar. Give him ice-time, give him line mates, and let him play hockey. He's good.
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No and no Cam, sorry.
The discrepancy is easily explainable. Kesler killed penalties from his first year here.
And they developed an entire team of young players just fine ( Edler, Kesler, giving the Twins rope, Burrows, Bieksa, Schneider ( another example of sometimes going slow )…Raymond even…we could go on and on.
But I get it. Its CoHo, and if we did not take a position on him, we would not have anything to get going about.
I do find it funny that his experience engenders all these generalizations about the Canucks. Statements like “they are no good with young players”, when we have a whole core that just went to the Final that grew up with the team…its not the first time we have heard it, but just because people say those sort of things, it does not make it true.
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I will admit they made the Stanley Cup Final with all the players that developed through the ranks during the Mike Gillis era.
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I have modified that comment with a list of all the players that rose up through the ranks of the team since Dave Nonis was fired who were key parts of the Canucks’ Cup run.
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Just that? ;-)
Kes’s ice time early compared to Cody, I do honestly think that was just special teams.
Honestly though, I am trying to inject a little …well, not the usual on Hod-sin. More has been typed on this website and many others about him, and lets not forget the folks in the MSM and their hysteria inducing screeds.
The truth is, he is still a highly rated young player that is finally healthy, 100% and good to go. He has not had that for a while. All that other stuff, like who he plays with. ( He gets Gandalf and Zorba the Hockey Player tonight. Our “1st” line ), and whether he has gotten a fair shot is just so much noise after a while, you know.
Different philosophies though I think Cam. Nonis and Burke played the young guys on bad teams ( or not as good, anyhow ) and while they did get some time on the farm, they did not “overcook:” them like the GMMG Wings Model.
We are pretty deep down the middle.
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By the by, Ryan Kesler killed 19 seconds a game of PK time. Hodgson did not kill any of those, but his offensive/defensive zone-start rate last season was 38, so he saw some grinding minutes as well/
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only that?
Still, last 30 seconds or so of the PK as a rookie is good. CoHo did get a ton of grind minutes last year…but if the guys running the team talking are any indication, he will get the early season chance at those offensive zone starts this year, methinks…
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seriously, tired of the hodgson 'controversy'...
FFS it comes down 100% to roles and spaces. Kesler was a bonafide third/4th line grinder when he entered the league. Hodgson is most definitely not. When kesler came in, we had…uh…naslund? Post incident naslund, btw. When hodgson came in we had two sedins, a burr, a kes, sammy, raymond blah blah blah. Hodgson is a pure center, kesler could move.
Comparing their respective situations and using it to make a point about hodgson’s treatment flies like a nashville playoff run or a darcy hodichuk penalty shot.
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