The Noon Number: 8
by camcharron on Sep 21, 2011 12:01 PM PDT
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Welcome to The Noon Number. This section is generally copying a format shown on a few other SB Nation Hockey websites, and rather than posting infrequently over here with a bevy of statistics. The daily number should produce more digestible chunks.
Today, however, I'm going to debut The Noon Number series without the aid of advanced statistics, just general fawning. The number is 8, the new number chosen by Christopher Tanev. The player's selection of his own number, moving up from last year's 18, shows that the team may have as much confidence in the young player as I do. Also, he scored a shorthanded goal last night! His first in the NHL (granted it's preseason), but, still: TANEV!
There are worse options for your depth defensemen. Tanev, last season, played 400 minutes without registering a single penalty. That is an NHL record by 110 minutes of play over the course of a single season. Tanev played 73 more minutes in the playoffs, again, without being sent to the penalty box. He's a plus-possession player who plays the game wicked smart and doesn't take penalties. At one point last night, I believe a Calgary player (I think it was Desbiens) was trying to rough stuff up in the neutral zone. Tanev ignored the extracurriculars, honed down on the net and took a good shot that hit the post, I believe. He looked natural from that line.
In short, Chris Tanev is my perfect hockey player. He worries about where the puck is and who has the puck. He plays smart. He doesn't try to impress anybody by being tough, because he knows his game is good enough to be successful in the NHL, and I hope he becomes a regular.
Here is a text conversation I had with Thomas Drance of Canucks Army last night:
Cam: Check out how he went for the goal instead of hanging back for the fight
Thomas: Damn good point. +/- 5 Chris Tanev goals this season?
Cam: Over.
Thomas: God I hope you're right.
Cam: Depends on the minutes, really. Don't see how AV can hold him out. His offensive instincts are only going to become more tuned.
Thomas: And boy does he play the game beautifully...
...
Thomas: If you like hockey, you'll like Tanev.
There is little else to say about Tanev (actually, there is way more, but some of it might get in the way of this heaping praise). I hope that fans of other teams who play off with their "all the Canuck players are dirty, whining diving players" crap do start to take notice of the undersized Tanev, the defenseman who doesn't throw hits or take penalties. He is 21, listed at a generous 6'2" 199, was undrafted, and is the type of player that if everybody played hockey like him, hockey would be so much more fun to watch.
I tossed up this handy chart up on Twitter last night. Feel free to use it for reference:
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A completely different topic!
The past few years I have been watching the Nucks game in Europe on ESPN PLayer online. For this season they no longer carry NHL games and I need to know if any other European Canucks fan has advice on where to find another online subscription to games?
Not looking good Patrik
ESPN lost the rights, and NHL gamecentre is yet to open its gates to Europe. I read somewhere that a new company won the NHL rights for Europe, but so far haven’t been bothered with setting up an outlet for the games. Bizarre.
I’m fully expecting a season full of random live streams (links courtesy of our fine friends here on NM,,,), and dare I say it, radio commentary :(
by Azzy Mahmood on Sep 21, 2011 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions
What Azzy said
Lots of streaming sites – ranging from pretty to bad to pretty good quality (none i’ve seen are crystal clear). Just check the threads the day of to see what’s up. Sorry I can’t recommend any – the only one I knew, atdhe.net – is no longer around.
Everytime I meet a new person, I figure out how I’m gonna fight them
-Jack Donaghy
by cyclone's ghost on Sep 21, 2011 6:42 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm gonna get a call from the DHS/FBI for recommending this so much
Follow “allsorts_” on twitter. He streams the Canucks on justin.tv.
Can Tanev be expected to perform offensively if he’s a third pairing anchor again?
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if he doesn't
it’s probably Luongo’s fault.
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by Canuckles on Sep 21, 2011 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I do think
If he keeps impressing in preseason, he gets some 2nd unit PP time with his buddy Ballard, so you have a pairing out after a PP that ends.
And we all know what happens when Tanev gets an opportunity. He owns the MFer.
Good article Cam, I am a fan too. Not about to give him the perfect hockey player designation yet, and I am by no means saying he is Lidstrom. But I am saying that he one of a handful of defenders since Nik came in that make me think of how calm and good Nik was at the same age.
He definitely is going to be steal. One that makes even Burr pale in comparison. Tier 2 to the Cup in 18 months?
Shee-it
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I like the newly muscled and faster Chris Tanev.
At certain moments last night he looked like Ohlund. At certain moments, like Edler.
And at certain moments, with his poise at holding onto the puck and his ice vision, like Lumme. I think he’s gonna be a stud defenseman.
"Why are we so quick to blame? What is the attraction in that?" - Carmela Soprano
He did look good last night
but I think some of the credit has to go to Ballard. Those two have great chemistry and Ballard did recover on one Tanev mistake in his own zone.
At only 21, Tanev could turn into quite the stud.
a ginger ball hockey player... no wonder I'm a Canucks fan
I just hope he can turn into a depth defenceman that the boys at Winging it in Motown can be proud of.
by The Stanchion on Sep 21, 2011 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions
I wrote about that play too
Ballard made such a great play there, with just position.
AV knows he has a great thing going with that pair. Of all the different things in the early preseason, that pairing being right back together is a revelation.
They might move around, but it will be a go to pairing for a while this year, for sure.
Tanev is going to help Ballard, but the other way so much more. Tanev, almost any interview starts with how “listening to Ballar’ helped…”
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BOLD prediction
I’ve been uber-high on Tanev since I watched him play his first NHL game. Nothing I’ve seen has dampened that enthusiasm at all.
The kid has NO idea how good he can be, nobody does. But I have a sneakin’ suspicion that he’s going to get the minutes this year so we’ll find out.
One thing that I noticed towards the end of last year, even prior to that fantastic pass that cement-hands glass fumbled, was Tanev’s nose for the net.
Prediction – With 3rd pairing minutes, Tanev’s offensive prowess blossoms even beyond the numbers he put up at RIT. He becomes a regular on 2nd powerplay unit given his ability to quarterback it (towards the end of the season and into the playoffs).
He puts up 10+ goals, and over 30 points. Forget the sophomore jinx. This kid has something you simply can’t teach – Game vision and sense. His hockey IQ is easily north of 150. The reason he makes it look SO damn easy – i.e. – hanging on to the puck and putting it right on someone’s tape as opposed to doing what even the big names do (Juice, Hamjuice, and Erhoff used 2 drive me batshit he was so bad) and just hammer it blindly up the boards – is that he SEE’s the entire ice, and reads the play so well that he has that extra time.
Call me crazy, but his ability to do this ranks up there with other once-in-a-generation players. I’d be excoriated worse than I probably already will for this glowing post if I mentioned them – so I’ll just say that you heard it here first.
Tanev’s nickname should be The Doctor – because his motto is “First do no harm”. He takes short shifts – If you watch him enough at ice level, as I have, you’ll see that he has perfect timing when it comes to getting off the ice without putting the team at risk – he is absolutely selfless as a player, which is why he WILL become an offensive threat this year, b/c the team needs it in Hoff’s vacuum (good riddance winning the cup in Buffalo, biatch…).
So if you think the OP was glowing in his praise, I have lots more to say, and you heard it here first. Tanev with at least 10 goals and 20 assists this year. By the end of this year, he’s moved into a top 4 position where he will stay. If you do no harm and play pretty much perfect defense, and have a nose for the net, there is only upside. People who underestimate this kid, do so at their peril.
by 8294Heartbreak on Sep 21, 2011 2:50 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Suddenly I feel like I am doing a poor job of promoting Mancari.
by The Stanchion on Sep 21, 2011 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
As someone who last year got flamed
hugely for comparing JUST his poise with Niklas Lidstrom ( I did it again above!), I do have to say I can see his points, but yeah. Damn.
Thing is, if he gets some 2nd unit PP time, I can definitely see him putting up some points, and then, who knows?
Man Mountain ’Cari did win a hardest shot competition, was put on the PP on the point by Bones last night, and could be a steal ( why did Buffalo let him go?) though.
So, I’m with you, I want MANcari on Kes’s wing as soon as he comes back!
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People who underestimate this kid, do so at their peril.
Pretty clear you won’t be in this group. :)
In any event, I certainly hope you are right.
Clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose.
I hope Canuck fans
realize this is an undersized, un-drafted D man. He has looked good so far and seems to have poise with the puck and good positioning. But going over board about a young player who has some good games is pretty much the go to move for Canuck fans. Lets just remember who and what he is this year and let him develop before we go over board.
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by Section 312 on Sep 22, 2011 6:39 AM PDT up reply actions
Yep
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
Time will tell
You said:
“I hope Canuck fans
realize this is an undersized, un-drafted D man. He has looked good so far and seems to have poise with the puck and good positioning. But going over board about a young player who has some good games is pretty much the go to move for Canuck fans”
I’ve never been accused of going overboard about a young player before – but there’s a first time for everything and you could be right. Only time will tell. I did say that my prediction was bold.
As far as being “undersized” and “undrafted” – The story is well documented. He was undrafted precisely because he was (notice the tense of operative word here) undersized.
I thought I’d take a lot more heat for my assertion that his vision of the ice is approaching once in a generation levels – but how else do you explain the incredibly compacted nature of his career arc thus far?
C’mon, ONE season at RIT, a third tier NCAA team, to getting ONE shot at the show, never looking back, and playing in some of the biggest Canucks games in history with the full backing of “Anxious Al” and the boys upstairs? Jesus. That’s saying a mouthful.
Look – It’s easy to say I’m just high and popping off, and that may be the case – but I also have a history of occasionally calling it early on the curve – and I’m here to say that there are indications that this kid is poised to go J-shaped in hurry.
You grudgingly say Tanev has “poise and puck positioning” but who can you compare him to in recent history? Who have you seen step in from the AHL play to a dead even in +- without THROWING A BODY CHECK, making the club and never looking back (so far) with as little experience and seasoning, leap-frogging the depth chart, with the confidence of his peers and bosses like this kid?
That is the basis for my assertions – The dearth of seasoning Tanev’s had. He sat around and watched while other kids grew, but as soon as he had anything approaching the height and weight necessary to play, he’s stepped up, and as another poster noted, made each and every opportunity his bitch, at every level he’s played – Including that little magic act of going pretty much directly from RIT to the show by way of the AHL in < 18 months.
I agree with you – let’s just remember who he is – and so far, that’s been incomparable, which is why the fuss. Unless you have a couple of analogues you have tucked away that you can pull out for comparison.
by 8294Heartbreak on Sep 22, 2011 8:28 AM PDT up reply actions
I didn't
grudgingly admit anything. I like the kids game a lot. But I am not going to go all ape shit over him at this point. The list of young players who play well for a couple months before disappearing never to be seen from again is long and undistinguished. Like my Johnson. Hey, completely off topic but, has anyone know what Lee Sweatt is up to these days?
You just went all typical Canuck fan getting crazy over board excited about a young player. Whether you’ve done it before is irrelevant to my point. Canuck fans do it consistently. If you don’t believe me surf around this site to see what people think of our cupboard being bare or not.
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by Section 312 on Sep 22, 2011 9:00 AM PDT up reply actions
We'll never know what Lee Sweatt could have been
He pulled a Costanza and went out on a high note
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
If he needs me
I’M IN MY OFFICE!!!!!!
"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"Are you out of your fucking mind? You think I'm just going to rape you on the off chance that hopefully you're into that shit?" - Louis CK
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by Section 312 on Sep 22, 2011 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions
It's missing the R
Not it just says k. uger.
K-UGER K-UGER
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
Ohhh you may stray but you'll always
return to your dark master. The cocoa bean.
"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"Are you out of your fucking mind? You think I'm just going to rape you on the off chance that hopefully you're into that shit?" - Louis CK
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by Section 312 on Sep 22, 2011 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions
At least once
maybe more.
"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"Are you out of your fucking mind? You think I'm just going to rape you on the off chance that hopefully you're into that shit?" - Louis CK
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by Section 312 on Sep 22, 2011 9:00 AM PDT up reply actions
nah
you talkin’ crazy talk. All Canucks fans are always completely rational and always have a fair and unbiased opinion.
crazy foo.
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wait… what?
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by Vancouverguy on Sep 22, 2011 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions
I thought Tanev and Ballard looked great last night. They read each other very well.
My surprise was Bouwmeester last night. Didn’t even notice him til the second period.
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His level of suckage
in the first preseason game was high. Maybe he was pining for Alberta, and wanted to play in the other one.
He was up in front of the net on the PP early. Which was …interesting.
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I WEAR NUMBER 8 ALSO
YOUR ARGUMENT IS IRRELEVANT
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Sep 22, 2011 1:00 PM PDT reply actions
TWO WORDS
OVERRATED. to the max. he is just a kid that knows how to pass. And tbh look around you. a successful team has defenders that know how to play in the offensive zone. not just the D zone. thats all he has, thats all he ever will have
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