Some Info On Owen Nolan
by Sean Zandberg on Aug 4, 2011 1:22 PM PDT
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PrintSo the Canucks potentially add another nationality to the fold on a tryout basis. Belfast-born Owen Nolan. Yeah, they also invited boxing bag Todd Fedoruk to Camp as well, but Nolan is the one with the intriguing past, and is the biggest talk of the day in Canuckville. That talk mostly being that he is too old (turns 40 in February) and that Mike Gillis is wasting his time while others (like me) say that he's worth a look at Camp. This isn't a signing, it's an invite. If he makes the team due to excellent work ethic, keeping up at the NHL pace, scoring ability, etc then we have yet another versatile player who can move up and down the roster, if the team and player can come to terms on a contract after camp, that is.
Anyways...on to some Nolan info...
- Listed as 6'1" 214 pounds. A power forward.
- A first round, first overall draft pick by the Quebec Nordiques in 1990. The Canucks had the 2nd overall pick that year and they selected Petr Nedved. Boooooo!
- Career stats from Internet Hockey Database:
- Impressive second and 3rd year with the Nordiques. The Nordiques moved to Colorado in 1995, and after only 9 games into the season Nolan was traded to the San Jose Sharks for Sandis Ozolinsh. The Avalanche won the Cup that year.
-Nolan is obviously loved by San Jose Sharks fans after playing 8 seasons there and being the captain of the team for 6 of those years. I remember watching Nolan play. It was admirable. The guy played his heart out, crashing, banging and scoring. He reminded me of a Wendel Clark. Unfortunately that kind of play took at toll on his body, especially his knees. Here are a few Nolan videos from his time in San Jose:
A Nolan compilation from his time in San Jose:
Owen puts on a clinic at the 1997 All Star Game (held in San Jose) including that famous goal on Dominik Hasek where he pointed at the corner before he shot it:
Nolan delivers the People's Elbow to Grant Marshall. I think he got an 11 game suspension for this:
Nolan scores a long distance goal on Blues' Roman Turek in Game 7 of Round 1 of the 2000 Playoffs. It would end up being the winner.
-In 2003 Nolan was traded to the Maple Leafs in exchange for Alyn McCauley, Brad Boyes and a first round pick in 2003. His tenure in Toronto was brief and not without controversy. The injuries really set in here. Plus, from ESPN:
Nolan's knee injury led to three grievances with the Maple Leafs: One in December 2004 over an alleged improper suspension, one in January 2005 over the Leafs' refusal to pay the $5.6 million salary for that season, and a third in September 2005 when the club did not honor the option clause in his 2005-06 contract.
An ugly situation. His wiki page describes the situation in more detail:
Nolan broke new ground in contract negotiations, having a clause put in that stated if the 2004–05 NHL season was cancelled, then he would gain a player option for an additional year in 2005–06. However, with the NHL CBA in place, this option became a topic of debate. With the new NHL salary cap, the Maple Leafs deemed Nolan's salary too high, and refuse to recognize Nolan as under contract. Nolan argued that the option was valid, that he would play, and be paid, for the Toronto Maple Leafs, and that he deserved to be paid during the 2004–2005 NHL lockout due to injury. The Maple Leafs, who deemed Nolan as healthy just after the lockout, claimed that the injury was incurred off the ice and refused to pay Nolan's desired US$12 million. The case went to an arbitrator. This case was settled in late 2006, however, the terms of the agreement by Leafs management and Nolan were not disclosed.
-From there, he played one season in Phoenix, one season in Calgary, then Minnesota signed him to a 2-year $5.5 million deal in July of 2008. A sweet goal from Nolan as a Wild player:
How about all 25 goals that Nolan scored for the Wild in the 2008-09 season?
Last summer no team took a chance on him and he played 24 games for Zurich in Swiss League last season.
-Any guy that makes Jimmy Howard look stupid is cool in my books.
-According to Hockey Fights.com Nolan was been in 78 career fights at the NHL level, including preseason. According to voters on that site, the tough Irishman is 7-2-1 in his last 10 fights dating back to the 2008-09 season.
A couple good Nolan fights: Nolan vs Steve "El" Montador (2010):
Nolan vs Barret Jackman (2006):
-Nolan beats the piss out of Cale Hulse.
-This Nolan vs Shayne Corson fight is a beauty.
-I don't know what Steve Webb did to Owen, but the Irishman unleashes hell on him.
-5 NHL All Star Game Appearances.
-2 seasons scoring more than 40 goals but that was a looooooooong time ago.
-More advanced stats on Nolan at Canucks Army.
excited to be heading to Van. thats all i wanted was a chance to show what ive got left. if they dont like it, i can live with that.
-What else about Owen Nolan...hmmm...oh wait....
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he’d be a good fit with the Sedins. You know, if Burrows dives wrong and can’t get up.
Are morons from other blogs
still coming here and beaking our players? I was hoping some maturity would start seeping into the internet. I guess not.
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by Section 312 on Aug 4, 2011 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Does Nolan
Even have a history of diving? The beaking is at least relevant if we sign someone who does it (Lapierre). Otherwise it’s just incredibly lame.
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by Semi_Colon on Aug 4, 2011 2:15 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
No, Nolan has
a fantastic history of playing the sport with dignity. That’s what I was trying to point out, actually.
You are a Stars fan right? Cuz you know, that team is littered with assholes. As long as you’re willing to admit that.
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by Sean Zandberg on Aug 5, 2011 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Sorry, “diving” assholes :)
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by Sean Zandberg on Aug 5, 2011 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Really?
Who? Cause, I get that everybody hates Ott, and you should, but I don’t think he’s ever dove… Ribeiro was a piece of shit when he was in Montreal, but he shaped up pretty much immediately since coming over… no, no I don’t really know what you’re talking about. To whom do you refer?
Oh
I get it, you’re trolling. OK. Sorry I paid you mind. cool trick with the links though.
??
I didn’t see anybody fall down. On either of those plays, actually…
Though now that I look again
Louongo did go down on his knees pardon me while I physically restrain myself from making an oral sex joke he did go down on his knees, but I don’t really call that a dive as much as a lunge. I don’t see diving until they’re laid out on the ice like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRVZElTs-OU&feature=related
or this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8XHcG8DwrY&feature=related
or this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-d6X7yWUyBM&NR=1
goddamn it I need to go to sleep
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4OJ5F-qgtM
or this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8r7zVCq6wq8&NR=1
You should stick to high school football
Because you don’t know shit on hockey.
Just the first two…Burrows clicks skates with a guy, and you call it diving? Have you ever skated troll? No?
Hank gets slashed at the feet, and you call THAT diving?
Yeah, a couple guys have went down easy…but really troll, neither one of those are dives.
Now THIS is a dive! With some fake acting thrown in…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNw8ZZT8tOU
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Yeah
Look further north, I gave you the Ribeiro thing, you really don’t think those two were dives? Because, when most players click skates, their arms don’t go flying into the air in a “look at me! I’ve lost my balance!” manner. And every other occasion I see skates hacked out from under people, they go down in a manner consistent with that support no longer being under them, instead of dropping to their knee and turtling in a controlled manner
OK troll
You don’t like the Canucks, and are looking for whatever you can.
Fine. You are reaching, and every word just makes you look dumber, but I get the feeling that your trolling does not have an intelligence aspect.
Neither one of your rationalizations has any merit, other than to say “look at me, I’m a troll!”
I asked you nicely. Go away. Its a nice Sat. morning here, and I really don’t want to start by swearing at a child.
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Wait everyone, cut the guy some slack. He’s right.
Unlike the Canucks, the Stars cannot be accused of diving at all in the playoffs this year.
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notafullcolon CS: Well obviously I meant we were snorting blow off hookers at the time of the goal
Canuckles
No offense, but its not about diving anymore…the guy is just trolling
Right or wrong has little to do with it at this point. The guy is being an asshole
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You should listen
to vancitydan. He may, by his own admission, have trouble with long paragraphs, but he is an authority on me. Even if he has never seen me before and doesn’t really read what I put down
hey! check this out!
This is really cool. Notice which teams are below the line? Yeah, they didn’t make the playoffs lol.
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notafullcolon CS: Well obviously I meant we were snorting blow off hookers at the time of the goal
Oooooh is it show and tell?!?!
I’d like to show you the Dallas city skyline. Note how it isn’t on fire http://drsagora.com/Dallas_Skyline_night.jpg
true, you haven't had two riots in your city's history
you Texans just kill other people, like Iraqis!
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notafullcolon CS: Well obviously I meant we were snorting blow off hookers at the time of the goal
Exactly!
Except not over kidnaps and rapes as opposed to shiriah law and sports teams!
yes, over oil!
that makes it OK!
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notafullcolon CS: Well obviously I meant we were snorting blow off hookers at the time of the goal
Wait what? No,
We don’t do that, that’s the American military. Yes, Bush started that war, but fuck Bush he’s from Conneticut
and also supported in his stronghold of Texas
because of his good Texan values! WOOOOO HAW!
But if you want to isolate and distringuish because of a few outliers who don’t represent the whole, then maybe you should STFU about a riot where a few outliers were responsible for the damage and violence? You also realize that a huge number of residents came out the day after and cleaned up the city, far more than the few who caused damage, right?
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notafullcolon CS: Well obviously I meant we were snorting blow off hookers at the time of the goal
point
But I don’t think that holding Vancouver citizens responsible for a riot started by Vancouver citizens and holding the DFW metroplex responsible for a war started by a president raised in Midland and Houston and approved by congressmen and women from across the country is quite the same thing
no it isn't the same thing
but it is sufficient analagous in your logic,e specially when you consider that lots of rioters in Vancouver came from outlying cities.
Blame a group of people for the actions of an isolated few. Sorry, but Bush essentially campaigned and ran his presidency on “Texan values” and was wildly popular with you lot. Lots of people supported his war, including senators and congressmen from Texas. Did everyone? Undoubtedly not, but again, we’re using an isolated part to portray the whole. So yes, as long as you want to poke us about sports riots, I’m going to poke you about dropping bombs on innocent families half a world away for commodities.
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notafullcolon CS: Well obviously I meant we were snorting blow off hookers at the time of the goal
How
is it sufficient analagous- sorry, sufficiently analogous by my logic when I just made an argument against it being sufficiently analogous?
And actually, yes, almost everybody was for the war at the time. It passed 297 for and 133 against in the house of representatives and 77 for and 23 against in the senate, almost three quarters approval at the time. And, being that you follow our politics so very closely, you’ll know that never happens. I’ve seen 55 to 45 decisions called landslides in American politics. I’m not going to tell you it’s a just war, though if we’d gone in citing Hussein’s continued violation of the ceasefire that ended the Gulf War in ‘94 we’d have much better public support, but I am going to tell you that you should be blaming the entire country, not just Dallas
So your point is essentially that I shouldn’t blame the whole of a city, for the actions of a few? That perhaps there is more to it than I understand, not being from there? That I should not draw gross generalizations based on news clippings of events, from thousands of miles away simply so I can try and piss other people off?
Right, I get it. What you are doing about making stupid comments about how “Dallas isn’t burning from riots” is sooooooooooooooo different than me telling you our leaders don’t murder Iraqis for Oil. Sorry, but as long as you want to talk about riots, I’m going to blame Texas, and by extension Dallas, for a war which claimed the lives of many, many innocents, for commodities.
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notafullcolon CS: Well obviously I meant we were snorting blow off hookers at the time of the goal
No, that's not my point at all
My point is you should blame the entirety of America for what we started, not necessarily because it’s everyone’s fault, but because it’s everyone’s responsibility. Just like I blame the entirety of Vancouver for a riot that, while not necessarily your fault, was your responsibility. I don’t know where you got handful from, I’ve been dealing with entire populations the whole time here
and for the record
nobody was killed over a sports team here.
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notafullcolon CS: Well obviously I meant we were snorting blow off hookers at the time of the goal
Please stop
Feeding the troll. Thanks.
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by Twitchy2010 on Aug 8, 2011 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
good point
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notafullcolon CS: Well obviously I meant we were snorting blow off hookers at the time of the goal
you totally missed what I did there Dan
re read it, and this time, think about WHY Dallas can’t be accused of diving in the playoffs this year.
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notafullcolon CS: Well obviously I meant we were snorting blow off hookers at the time of the goal
Oh I get it
I get jokes
"I prematurely shot my wad on what was supposed to be a dry run, if you will, so now I'm afraid i have something of a mess on my hands."
"There's just so many poorly chosen words in that sentence."
I was hoping some maturity would start seeping into the internet.
That will never ever happen
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by Sean Zandberg on Aug 4, 2011 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions
hey remember how you couldn’t beat Minnesota to get into the playoffs? lol
by Wisp on Aug 4, 2011 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions 10 recs
Well played
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by Yankee Canuck on Aug 4, 2011 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions
I sure wish they had beaten them
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
me either
can’t go to the finals without vanquishing a hated rival in game 7 OT.
Sure you can
I don’t see why you have to beat rival teams. You want the easiest path to the Finals, and frankly I think going to seven against Chicago the way we did hurt us in the long run
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
I'm being supersticious
Consider every time the Canucks have gone to the final, they defeated a hated rival in a game 7 OT in the first round.
Flames, too.
Of course
Everytime we’re gone to the finals after defeating a hated rival we’ve lost…
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
I blame the NHL 11 simulator. Fucking thing said the home team would win every game of the Finals. It motherfucking lied to us, that stupid fucking EA Sports simulator. Who’s idea was it to use that anyway? Crucify the bastards! String them up by their fucking balls!
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by Sean Zandberg on Aug 4, 2011 8:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Pshhh
I’ve been wanting to crucify those bastards for years. Worst year of my career.
still want to know
When the new sim comes out, to put some money down on those two teams getting to the Final.
Don’t know if I want EA predicting us to win this time…did not work so good last go around
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GOLD
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Aug 5, 2011 10:44 PM PDT up reply actions
So whats up with you guys and old Sharks players? :)
I really hope he makes it on your guys roster. I bet FTF is heartbroken now.
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oh yeah, this should ruffle some feathers (or Fins) at FTF for sure. First we kick your ass then we steal your heroes!!
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by Sean Zandberg on Aug 4, 2011 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Exxxcellent
/Tents fingers
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
by Semi_Colon on Aug 4, 2011 2:13 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm sure
They’ll find someone else to hate next year
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
by Semi_Colon on Aug 4, 2011 2:20 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
That's because
We’re all whining, pretentious, bandwagoning, conspiracy-toting douchebags who deserve to be hated and looked down on as lesser fans because of the team we choose to support. Every single one of us.
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
by Semi_Colon on Aug 4, 2011 2:27 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
It’s okay, they’re racist, classless, ’merican douche bags with a victim complex, who boo the anthems of other nations and deserve every failure they have to endure.
;)
It’s okay, they’re racist
You’re right, we like to sign White guys.
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I KNEW IT
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
So we can only be friends on BoC? :)
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Nah
That place is too mainstream now :)
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
It’s just a 15 minutes of fame thing. It will die down.
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Why can’t you be friends anyways….Its not like you beat them…at all.
( side note: only one BoC team has beat the Nucks since the lockout…hehehehe)
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wait, what?
when were we friends with shark fans? I mean other than when they were playing anaheim, detroit or calgary?
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Personally I always was cool with them
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by Sean Zandberg on Aug 4, 2011 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m sure every ’Nucks fan gets treated well when they come to the Tanks, except for the occasional douchey Sharks fans that say stupid shit to them.
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I have no issue with most Sharks fans. There are some odd ones over at FTF though
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
yeah i was kinda just being a smartass
shoulda put a ‘:P’ on it I guess.
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you have douchey fans?
screw you then, you must be the worst fanbase in hockey, since we don’t have any of those.
/NHL fan logic
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by Canuckles on Aug 4, 2011 6:48 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
except for the occasional douchey Sharks fans that say stupid shit to them.
I would like to echo Canuckles’ sentiments.
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by Sean Zandberg on Aug 4, 2011 8:33 PM PDT up reply actions
David Booth…straight across! haha
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by Sean Zandberg on Aug 5, 2011 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions
What's the clause on clearing waivers?
If you haven’t played in the NHL for a year or are a certain age, can you be moved between AHL and NHL? Without going through waivers?
I am at work so I don’t have time to look into it.
a ginger ball hockey player... no wonder I'm a Canucks fan
He should be exempt from waivers
I believe the thing with Wellwood and Nabokov having to go through waivers last year is because they re-joined the NHL mid-season.
That Hasek goal
remains the best moment in any All Star Game I’ve seen (to be fair I haven’t watched a full one since…I have no idea).
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If advanced stats are more your thing
I posted some recent numbers from Nolan at Canucks Army: http://canucksarmy.com/2011/8/4/canucks-ink-nolan-fedoruk-to-ptos
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As for Todd Fedoruk, he’s totally useless.
x 1,000,000. Then add one more.
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by Yankee Canuck on Aug 4, 2011 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Fedoruk, who is known for his skills as an enforcer, had titanium plates permanently embedded into his face to repair injuries caused to him in a fight with Minnesota Wild enforcer Derek Boogaard during the 2006–07 NHL season. Later in the season, on March 21, 2007, Fedoruk was once again injured in a fight against New York Rangers enforcer, Colton Orr. Fedoruk was knocked out unconscious and had to be carried off the ice on a stretcher.
I guess Terminators from the future are more powerful than Terminators from the past
a ginger ball hockey player... no wonder I'm a Canucks fan
by SteveNux on Aug 4, 2011 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
If he plays well enough to be (a) signed and (b) given a shot on the active roster, he can only play against Edmonton and Chicago. No one else. Let their thugs belt out a song on his titanium.
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by Yankee Canuck on Aug 4, 2011 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Suddenly
I want Blackout back.
/no, not really…
I'll do it tomorrow, that seems like a pretty good idea to me
What's wrong with tomorrow, I'm watching him but who's watching me?
by Smoboy41 on Aug 4, 2011 3:17 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
i had a cardiac event
when i read the first sentence. It settled at the second.
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thanks Cam, I’ll link to it
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by Sean Zandberg on Aug 4, 2011 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Sorry Cam
but you absolutely HAVE to have heart and grit to advance deep in the playoffs. And the Canucks had lots of it. It doesn’t have to come from 4th liners though. Kesler didn’t show incredible heart playing injured? Malhotra coming back the way he did? Lots of other guys were playing hurt too. In order to win in the playoffs and go on a long sustained run towards a cup you have to have a roster willing to play through pain and to be willing to give it their all to support their team mates. And if you think it isn’t important because it doesn’t show up in the stats then you don’t have good enough stat or are looking at the wrong stats.
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by Section 312 on Aug 4, 2011 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Whatever floats
your boat my man.
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by Section 312 on Aug 4, 2011 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions
water and other waters with similar density floats
most boats.
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notafullcolon CS: Well obviously I meant we were snorting blow off hookers at the time of the goal
Unless they have holes in them
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I just realized
a major typo too haha
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notafullcolon CS: Well obviously I meant we were snorting blow off hookers at the time of the goal
And I think you mean “water and other liquids…” there, but now I’m just nitpicking ;)
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I was like
what other kinds of water are there other than water? It was a question I wasn’t capable of answering.
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by Section 312 on Aug 4, 2011 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Heavy water? Pretty much the only one
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
Still
basically water though.
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by Section 312 on Aug 4, 2011 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah I noticed that
after I posted it
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Two things
1) How do we know that the current Canucks don’t have enough heart ’n grit, if they went into the playoffs?
2) How do we know a certain player has heart ’n grit?
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Easy
1) We don’t. I never said we need to add more grit. Did I? You claimed the Canucks didn’t have it and got to the finals and tried to use that as some sort of proof you don’t need it. The Canucks have plenty of grit and determination in their team. I don’t think you can have too much though so no need to try to add more risk free.
2) You know it when they display it on the ice.
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by Section 312 on Aug 4, 2011 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Still not convinced.
Also doesn’t help that, even playing hurt, Kesler was pretty useless in the Finals. I’d have been much happier if he weren’t playing hurt, actually.
So these Canucks had the heart n’ grit enough to get deep in the playoffs, but they’re also a bunch of near-chokers who blew a 3-0 series lead and nearly lost that Game 7. If Sharp scores on that powerplay, we’re looking to gut the team because they don’t have what it takes to win in the playoffs. Except they do.
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You wanna play the if game?
If we had lost to Chi Town I would have liked to see a coaching change. Not a gutting of the team. And I don’t know a lot of, if any, intelligent Nuck fans who would have wanted to gut the team.
If this team didn’t have grit and heart then everyone playing hurt would have sat out in the playoffs and by the finals we’d have had mostly an AHL team out on the ice. If we had even made it that far.
I’d have preferred a healthy Kesler too Cam. Who wouldn’t? Kind of a meaningless comment. He wasn’t healthy. But he gave it his all anyway. I’d have rather had a 50% Kesler in the finals than a 100% Bolduc. You?
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by Section 312 on Aug 4, 2011 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Because a 50% Kesler is better than a 100% Bolduc
But a 100% Kesler doesn’t appear to be labouring as much as a 50% Kesler, hence the 50% Kesler looks to have much more heart ’n grit than the 100% Kesler.
I don’t use “if we had lost” but I mean “if Luongo doesn’t rob Sharp”, which is something completely out of the realm of Alain Vigneault, why fire Vigneault after that, but not after losing in Game Seven to Boston? At some point you have to accept that either a) luck has more to do in the playoffs than heart n’ grit OR b) a player’s heart ‘n grit, which is deemed so intangible by the statistical community, actually doesn’t show up in a player’s underlying statistics.
But, whatever. This is about Owen Nolan, and not “Things Don Cherry and Nick Kypreos taught me about hockey”.
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Okay Cam
you keep it up with the condescending attitude. Still doing a great job being an ambassador for this site my man. You are right Kesler has heart and determination no matter what. I was just illustrating an example where it was clear to see just how much of it he has. If you want me to provide an example of a guy who shows just how much grit and determination and heart he has when he is playing 100% healthy it is going to be tough. It doesn’t mean that play doesn’t have it. I am sure most of them do or else they wouldn’t be in the NHL. It’s just hard to provide examples in that situation. I am not saying heart and grit win championships. I am not saying they even separate most teams. But you need it on your team. Most teams have it. But the point was it doesn’t hurt to have more of it and implying that ANY team doesn’t have it is just flat out wrong.
The thing is Cam, and this is something I don’t think you understand, the burden of proof is on you not me. Prove to me statistically that having grit isn’t important. That’s what stats people do. They take these axioms that exist in sport and they try to prove them one way or the other. The axiom that you need grit in the playoffs is one I believe in. I also believe pretty much ever team has it so too much is made of it. Prove that teams don’t need it. That’s on you. If you can I would love to be proven wrong.
I am sure luck does have more to do with it than grit. You need luck to win. You also need grit. I never said ALL you need is grit. Or one team having more grit than another makes the difference between who wins and loses. So I am not sure why you are reacting like you are to be honest.
As for the AV stuff. If you can’t see that AV got out coached three years in a row against Chicago? Then I don’t know what to say. I can understand people who would have wanted to keep AV. But for me personally I would have wanted to see a change made in an attempt to keep it from happening again.
But that’s all from me on this topic. I am not going to let your condescention and implications get to me. Whenever you argue the stats side you always imply, sometimes more explicitly than others, that anyone arguing against you is an idiot or a neadrathal or something along those lines. (ie Cherry and Kypreos) That’s fine with me. We all have our flaws.
Have a nice day.
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by Section 312 on Aug 4, 2011 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions
"Prove to me statistically that having grit isn’t important."
Might factor into Corsi ratings. We don’t know what factors into Corsi ratings and we may never be able to. But the team that has lead the league in Corsi all four years it has been kept has made it to the Cup Finals every single time, and has never lost in fewer than seven games.
It’s not that I want a bunch of lazy plugs on my team, because, for the most part, lazy plugs have shitty Corsi ratings. There are also people who make things look effortless, and scouts think that they don’t look like they’re giving much effort. Sometimes, these players are named Nikolay Zherdev, and may be doing the team a lot more good than they’re given credit for.
Hard work shows up on the scoreboard. Eventually. Give it a large enough sample. If hard work doesn’t show up on the scoreboard, then what the hell is it worth?
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I( think
Cam, that it is just that grit and heart are things that we see with our own eyes when watching the game, far more than what the game shows on the stat sheet.
Like Henrik blocking a last second shot in the playoffs to keep a victory. Or when Kes’ did it twice before Hansen took the puck and scored a shortie.
Not just blocks. I cannot remember how many times Tanev took a huge hit to make a perfect pass out of his own zone in the playoffs. Guys were crushing him in the Finals when he drew in, because they thought the Kid was a weak link.
He showed huge heart in standing in every time.
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We do see those things
But there’s so much to the game that we don’t see. By traditional observational evidence alone, you would never be able to determine that the earth revolves around the sun.
Oftentimes, it’s the things you don’t see that matter the most. Hockey is, at its core, a game of percentages that add up ever so minutely over the course of a season. If a winning goal is scored on a defenseman who made a bad play, that only accounts for a single shift in the game out of 20. We forget all that happens in those 19 other shifts when we talk about that game in the next week.
All the advanced numbers do is count things. We count every shot a player was on for, for and against, and don’t use those to determine a player’s worth, but they are vital in guiding us to the correct conclusion.
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The thing is
…and I know I am saying this to a stats guy.
But bias enters into it. Like who counts “scoring chances”. If you have a bias towards a certain team, you will judge those more harshly.
I get your point though.
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That’s possible, but it is possible to set aside your biases when counting things like scoring chances. The Copper and Blue guys counted them for the Canucks all playoffs, and they are as anti-Canuck as it gets, yet I was impressed by the impartiality they showed.
For the numbers stuff at least, let’s not get started on Zona writing subjectively about the Canucks
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"Over thinking, over analyzing separates the body from the mind."
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I don't like how you're calling cam condescending
When in my entire time here, you’ve been nothing but condescending.
I honestly
don’t know who you are. Seriously.
I am condescending. Sometimes as a joke and sometimes because of the way I write when I am angry. But I don’t represent this blog in anyway. Cam has his name on the masthead. It’s apples and oranges my friend.
And I guess I finally my main response to what you just wrote is tough luck. I am going to call it like I see it. And Cam has been consistently condescending when these kinds of topics come up. This is incredibly condescending and I think you know it.
But, whatever. This is about Owen Nolan, and not "Things Don Cherry and Nick Kypreos taught me about hockey".
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by Section 312 on Aug 4, 2011 5:51 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m calling it it like you see it, too. You’re being unfair to Cam. You can point to that quote as Cam being mean to you, but I think you started this whole argument by being hostile right away.
Where you see consistent condescension, I see someone speaking from authority on a subject in which he is knowledgeable and confident.
I’ve seen enough from your posts in the last year to know you’re an emotional individual and cam is a very technical one. I’m not surprised with the head butting.
And I don’t care if you don’t know who I am. That’s your problem. I’ve been poking around long enough to say my piece.
This is hostile?????????? Really??????? Hostile??????
Sorry Cam but you absolutely HAVE to have heart and grit to advance deep in the playoffs. And the Canucks had lots of it. It doesn’t have to come from 4th liners though. Kesler didn’t show incredible heart playing injured? Malhotra coming back the way he did? Lots of other guys were playing hurt too. In order to win in the playoffs and go on a long sustained run towards a cup you have to have a roster willing to play through pain and to be willing to give it their all to support their team mates. And if you think it isn’t important because it doesn’t show up in the stats then you don’t have good enough stat or are looking at the wrong stats.
You can speak from authority on a subject in which you are knowledge without talking down to people and implying that their point of view if akin to being an idiot. Which he has done numerous times. I am a stats guy. I actually love stats. I look at them every day. I think they are incredibly valuable. The head butting has nothing to do with emotion versus logic. Or anything of that nature. I wasn’t hostile to start and at no point in my discussion did I talk down to Cam. I wish he could say the same.
As for you? Have your say. I don’t mind at all. But I still have no idea if you have ever posted here before or not.
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by Section 312 on Aug 4, 2011 10:52 PM PDT up reply actions
I’ve discussed more then a few things with you here on occasion, some fevered discussion, and you can’t be bothered to even make note of my username. Do you wonder why I think you are being a hypocrite for calling cam condescending?
And I don’t need to prove anything regarding my membership here. I have this handy little link that pops up when you click my name. It shows you my join date, and even a list of every post I’ve said previously.
I'm not pissed at all and once again
I acknowledged that I am slightly hypocritical on this topic. But I don’t represent this blog. Cam does.
And that not knowing who you are thing is just a running gag. I remember a lot of the dumb shit you’ve posted over the last year. (I am inserting a winky face thing now cause I guess it wasn’t clear enough that the not knowing you thing was a joke) ;)
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by Section 312 on Aug 5, 2011 12:01 AM PDT up reply actions
well, actually, I’d argue your discussion involvement and post count at sbnation is prolific enough that you actually do represent NM in some capacity.
Well you'd be wrong
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by Section 312 on Aug 5, 2011 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions
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to be leader
a ginger ball hockey player... no wonder I'm a Canucks fan
Cam
A “bunch of near chokers”?
Wow. Game 6 ended in O/T right? How was that a choke? Game 7, I ahve to agree with Section. Playing the “what if” game is what bitter Hawks fans are STILL doing.
The thing is, they didn’t. Lui made a huge save, and Burr made a huge play. I know you are using it as an example, I get that. But I just disagree with the characterization. That series was very very close, and was two rivals playing life and death hockey.
As for heart and grit, that whole definition and question is very overrated. Everyone points to Marchand and Daniel in Game 6 like it made a difference. Did it? Did it mean the Canucks are soft just because Daniel took it to try and draw a PP ( and then lost the PP when he asked the ref if “you going to fucking call that shit”? )
Its all based on the ending. They did not lose Game 7 because of grit. They lost it because they could not score on the Conn Smythe winner, who had a series for the ages.
Kudos to TimmAH. But that does not mean the Canucks are soft. They are loading up on toughness because everyone else is, is all.
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Well the Sedins were soft, you have to admit that. Actually whole top line was soft.
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by Sean Zandberg on Aug 4, 2011 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions
No I don't!
The Sedins? You mean the guys that took multiple unpunished crosschecks to the back, punches to the head, and out and out tackles in the playoffs.
Hell no. The very definition of a hockey player. That narrative is one that the non Vancouver media liked to play up, and I guess if you think that, its your opinion and its fine.
But they stood in like champs. I aint gonna beat up on them because they fell down a couple times…hell, half the time they had a helluva lot of help there too!
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There's falling down a couple of times
And then there’s going down like a drunk high schooler with daddy issues.
As far as them needing help, well… that’s where the team not being tough comes in. The reason they took those unpunished cross checks was because the rest of the team let the Bruins get away with it. The refs made it clear they weren’t going to handle it, once that point is made a team with any gumption will take matters into its own hands. That’s the entire point of goons. While they shouldn’t dress in most situations, if I’m about to take liberties with your players and I see, say, Shawn Thornton sitting at the end of your bench, I might think twice. That’s why Burrows and Lapierre were entirely ineffective in the final- there was a very real possibility that they’d be murdered the next shift if they decided to turn it into a circus. Marchand and Ference weren’t going to be held accountable by anyone but the zebras, so they pushed it and something that stood out even in the games the Canucks won it was apparent that they were getting run over physically. Then, after six games of that, its a small wonder they petered out the way they did. Thomas was fantastic, but there is no doubt in my mind that team toughness (physical and mental) was a huge factor in that series
Depends what you mean by "inneffective"
Because both of them scored some key goals which won games. That’s pretty effective in my mind
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Well
ineffective in their normal nonsense. There was the biting thing, and then the Bruins dressed Thornton and nothing else happened
Now the troll know all about the game?
I stopped reading your block O text ( you can make separate paragraphs son, just a tip ), a little early, but I got the gist.
Its obvious that you are just trolling, but you really don’t know shit about hockey.
No one cares what;’s in your mind kid.
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No. Nobody cares.
But you do.
And I love you for it!
BTW
Define what you mean by “soft”. The entire line? Burrows finished every check. Both Daniel and Hank played with injuries, Hank’s back an especially tough one.
He out and out dismissed it afterwards, something Kes did not do ( admitting he was hurt after )…even when his GM said he was hurt afterwards.
They got beat. I have accepted that. I do not accept that the Sedins are “soft” because Damien Cox, and a few Boston writers want to label them as soft.
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We don't really know
How “especially tough” Hank’s injury was. Or if it was one at all. He didn’t look too injured in the San Jose series.
I don’t know what Sean means by ‘soft’, but I’d hazard a guess that their lack of defensive ability and haphazard play in their own end qualifies, for one, as well as how they get worked over in the corners if you amp up the physicality.
And Daniel was injured? Did I miss that??
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Semi, you pretty much got what I meant. Dan, how much more are you going to gripe about the thuggery against the Sedins/Burrows? haha Jesus, they got pushed around because they are more finesse /passive players and in my opinion that is soft. Yes, sometimes the Bruins went overboard on the dirty stuff but so what? Win at all costs, a lesson the top line esp. the Sedins can learn from
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by Sean Zandberg on Aug 4, 2011 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Gripe?
Its a fact. That is the way other teams tried to play them. Boston and Nashville had the most success at it.
So, all finesse players are “soft” then? They can learn from it, and I hope they do, but you missed my point.
Soft players do not take 10 crosschecks to the lower back like Hank did versus the Preds by Suter, and still made the play.
So, if daniel drops them and gets medieval on Marchand, does that mean he is not “soft” anymore?
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So, if daniel drops them and gets medieval on Marchand, does that mean he is not "soft" anymore?
Anything along those lines and I would stop calling him soft for starters. No, not all finesse players are soft. But you know what I mean. They dove too often and legitly got knocked over at other times. They had to battle through the thuggery and did not. Therefore they are soft.
Daniel Sedin: 2 goals and 5 assists and -11 in 13 games against the Preds and Bruins.
Henrik Sedin: 2 goals and 3 assists and -11 in 13 games against the Preds and Bruins.
Yay!!!!
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by Sean Zandberg on Aug 4, 2011 8:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Wait wait wait…Dank had an injury too? Since when? Give me a break. Excuses excuses. Everybody hurts in the playoffs
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by Sean Zandberg on Aug 4, 2011 8:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Jesus Christ Sean
Give me a break. Every time someone says something, its an “EXCUSE”?
I thought he was one of the ten listed by MG and AV at the end.
Everyone hurts in the playoffs. The facts are the facts again, and this is not an excuse either, but a fact.
For whatever reason, and whenever, by the end, we had, I think the number was 10 guys injured and /or playing with an injury that needed a shot.
The Bruins lost who, Horton? Did you hear of anyone of their guys getting surgery afterwards? No?
Its not an excuse, and everyone gets hurt in the playoffs and plays through it. But you are being purposely obtuse if you can’t see that injuries affect the outcome.
Shit happens. But when Kesler and Hoff, for certain, and others I can’t remember, are getting shot up to play. When one of your #1 D men gets hurt in Game 1 in Hamhuis, and by the time Game 5 rolls around, your other “#1” Edler is playing with 2 broken fingers…its just a fact that it is going to affect the results.
Kudos again to the Bruins, for staying pretty healthy. We should learn from that, and find a way to beat that. The Canucks were the deeper team even by the start of the Final. They sure weren’t by the end.
Now, please dear sir, please don’t call this just another excuse…
;-)
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Heart and statistics come together and make a bridge of love
One thing about the Sedins, it’s great that they took all those punches, hacks to the knee and croschecks like champs, BUT, when they turned the puck over, which every player does eventually, they could have stepped into the opposition, or impeded them in some way to prevent the litany of odd man rushes that Luongo had to stand up against.
“Yeah but they would have taken an obstruction penalty!” you may say.
Which is true, but less likely given that they were playing 2003 style hockey in the finals. There was obstruction happening all over the place!
The bruins PP% was around 18.5% against the Canucks.
You are not guaranteed to get a penalty if you impede someone. If you do, the opposition only has a 1 in five chance of scoring. (ie. if one in three interferences gets called, then the actual chance of scoring because of an interference penalty is 1 in 15)
Unfortunately I can’t find a statistic for the success of odd man rushes, but I would rather the possibilty of taking a penalty than having to figure it out the hard way.
Anyway, that’s where I think the Sedins were soft.
We could start by not letting our opponents off the hook. When we have a chance to eliminate them, do the doggone thing.
How many extra/unnecessary games did we end up playing? Three against Chicago, one against Nashville, one against Boston.
We had a 3-2 series lead in the Stanley Cup Final and couldn’t close. :(
We did let them off the hook
which sucks especially since they were who we thought they were. Damn.
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by Section 312 on Aug 5, 2011 12:01 AM PDT up reply actions
Yep
Last time we had to come back to force a 7th game
Progress.
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Heheh
Its not an excuse, and everyone gets hurt in the playoffs and plays through it. But you are being purposely obtuse if you can’t see that injuries affect the outcome.
Of course they affect the outcome. Whether the Sedins were hurt or not they still played soft, they dove, they looked back for penalty calls. It was embarassing at times. Can you at least admit that?
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by Sean Zandberg on Aug 5, 2011 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions
I will admit
That you think so. I will admit that it happened a couple times.
I won’t admit it was as pernicious and as common as you obviously do.
And no way in hell will I admit to the “soft” aspect, because I think I covered that above.
Dove? Went down a couple times, sure, but again Sean, I remember you in the Game Threads calling it a dive every time one of them went down, and that was just not true either.
People get knocked down in the game of hockey, and every time one goes down, its not a dive.
Looking back for calls? I totally agree with that one. Everyone does it, but they looked for the refs too many times.
But even there, its because that things were being called in the other series that just weren’t in the playoffs. The Bruins realized and took advantage of that and won a Cup. They knew after Peverly got away, with a ref looking right at it, in Game 1, when he got away with a two hander that injured Bieksa for the rest of the series…they knew what was the standard and adopted quicker, and got away with more.
But the Sedins should have just put their heads down and kept going when it happened and they didn’t.
So, to sum up ; At least one was hurt, ( and we all saw Hank less strong on his skates, and the coach and GM told us he had a back injury afterwards )
…I don’t agree with your definition of “soft” as it pertains to the Twins, because it is a tough game, and for finesse players, they stood up to constant abuse for almost 4 rounds pretty good. Maybe a little more noticeable with the way the Bruins played, but again, I think we all agree the standard seemed to change in the Final, because it just did.
Diving is a relative term, and while I hate it as much as you do, not every time they went down was a dive ( I do admit they did try to draw a call a few times…I almost dismiss it because everyone does…the Bruins embellished ( Marchand especially ) too.
I did agree on the last part, and almost came over the line to your side on the diving…how’s that?
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I don't agree they are soft but they dove a lot
I do admit they did try to draw a call a few times…I almost dismiss it because everyone does…the Bruins embellished ( Marchand especially ) too.
If you want to get it out of the game fans need to hold their teams to a higher standard. It isn’t good enough to say “everyone does it”. Let everyone else do it. We should be calling out our guys for diving and making it clear we don’t want that on our team. If every fanbase did that then maybe players would get the message.
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by Section 312 on Aug 5, 2011 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions
that’s a solid point. And Dan, I don’t think that every time a Twin went down it was a dive. But there was enough “embellishing” that the refs stopped making calls. Actually, the refs should penalize the dives or embellishments more often. But when I see embellishing or diving I will call it out every time. I fucking hate it. It’s why I hated Mario. And it’s not making me like this current Canucks squad any greater either.
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by Sean Zandberg on Aug 5, 2011 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah
I hate it too. Just play whistle to whistle. They aren’t supposed to, but it’s pretty obvious refs remember guys who embellish and then don’t call some stuff the next time it happens (like in the Finals). If you just don’t sell it and play hard, you’ll still get calls.
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Don't get me wrong
I hate it too.
I was just saying that they got painted with a pretty harsh brush in the playoffs, and every time one went down …it was judged on that basis.
I heard Cammellieri on that OTR with Bieksa, Tanev and Wrecker where he sid, as a member of the competition committee, that it is going to be judged more harshly…
Thats a good thing. Mainly though, I just get a little exasperated that every time anyone went down, for whatever reason ( and the vast majority weren’t “dives” )…it was the term used.
Yeah, some of the times they dived. I hated it.
I hated it when Marchand and Legwand did it even worse ( the one early in the Finals, where Marchand found Lapierre as he came of the bench and lay prostrate at his feet, as both Lappy and the ref smirked and shook their heads, Lappy going off to finish his shift still laughing )…and there was no call.
Totally agree 312, on the point of “they do it too” as not being good enough.
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Hank was injured.
Whether Danny was injured too, I’m not sure, but his game suffered via Hank’s injury. The Sedins have always had the ability to determine what their deficiencies were during the season (the SCF) and to work on them during the off season to improve their game. I’m sure the Twins had some distaste for their “diving.” I see their diving response as a part of their game they want to eliminate and am hopeful that they’ll devise strategies to overcome those deficiencies. I think they were at least as put off by their diving as us fans. The drive is from within and has little to do with the observations and criticisms by the “fans.”
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We get it
Canuck players dive.
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go away
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You follow me around
And claim that no one cares… You’ve clearly been very upset, sir, if not by me than by something… I’m so sorry it’s come to this. All I wanted to to was point out that Nolan should help the mentality of your team, which seems to be hug the ice and cry. But… I’ve twisted myself into something so much more… perverse than that… OH WHAT HAVE I BECOME
Follow you around?
Now I am pissed.
Upset? I am shaking my head and laughing at you son. You don’t have the ability, nor the intelligence, to upset me little man.
All you wanted to do is troll son. Your first comment was a troll comment, and nothing you have said has been anything else but.
So, lose the attitude of trying to be a “victim” now.
Last time you even merit a response troll. Have a nice life…
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You keep saying son and troll
You’re very strange in your frequent direct use of nouns.
strange but accurate
as someone who’s just read all your posts and not been involved til now, u most definitely are a troll, and i’d guess from your style and inability to let go, a kid as well. So, yeah.
Just a thought…don’t go to someone else’s house and be an asshole and not expect to be called down. Plenty of people who are fans of other teams come here and comment often, and it’s welcomed and discourse is welcomed and even disagreement…but being provocative just to get a rise out of someone and defending your points with douchebaggery is probably not welcome in most places.
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Oh
nonononno I expected to be called down, I just.. I actually don’t know the point you were trying to make there. Sorry.
yeah
i guess I shouldn’t have expected you to have the mental capacity to see that very direct point.
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Maybe I did
and didn’t realize it. idk. I’m tired
gasp
he used direct nouns when referring to another person. What madness is this?
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Well
Look at the one above this. Like, he ends almost every sentence in “son” or “little man.” It’s weird!
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Well you don't gotta do anything about it
It’s just slightly unnerving is all
shedding crocodile tears for ya bud
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oh I see
so if I call you a jealous troll with an inadequacy complex who needs to come here and take out his frustrations on our member base, then we’re cool right? I mean, it’s just an observation.
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Well
I would assert that there’s a slight difference, because your observation is pretty much angry conjecture while evidence for my observation can be cited in immediate text and isn’t anywhere near as aggressive. I am troling, however, so yeah do whatever you want. I mean, the point is to incite anger, right?
do you have a learning disability?
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I know he’s a troll, but let’s not go there
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
fair enough
it’s just the cognitive dissonance in what he wrote is so startling obvious, it left me to wonder…
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by Canuckles on Aug 8, 2011 7:58 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
you mean
trolling ?
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notafullcolon CS: Well obviously I meant we were snorting blow off hookers at the time of the goal
You have to acknowledge injuries
If you want to evaluate what went wrong, what went right, and how to improve.
Facts are facts.
Oh no you didn’t…
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by Sean Zandberg on Aug 4, 2011 9:09 PM PDT up reply actions
The Canucks aren’t chokers. They aren’t winners. They aren’t anything. They’re a great hockey team that almost won the Stanley Cup. I’m just dismissing the narrative that would have been laid upon the team by lazy fans and casual, drive-by media.
Drop a line at THW, Canucks Army, Jets Nation and TheLeafs Nation
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Heh, I like this. New site tagline: Proud fans of nothing at all!
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by Yankee Canuck on Aug 4, 2011 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Great, when you put it that way what the hell am I doing here?
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We've been asking that about you
for a while now.
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by Section 312 on Aug 4, 2011 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Where?
At your secret meetings? In some secret threads? VIA GCHAT, MSN, ICQ OR OTHER SUCH INSTANT MESSENGER? I CAN SEE YOU ALL TYPING AWAY AND SMIRKING!
….
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by Semi_Colon on Aug 4, 2011 2:38 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Great quote from Owen
Making me more excited to see what he has…
"I love competing and I was just looking for the opportunity to join someone. I look forward to showing Vancouver what I still have left and I’m sure they’re not going to be disappointed. I’ve been in a lot of situations so I think I bring a lot of knowledge and if I can help guys with my experience, I’m more than willing to do it."
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Maybe he’s like fine wine?
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Read Botch's story
He might want it more, and want to win more, than any guy since Kes’.
Here you go. I’ll play anywhere, just give me a chance, I burn to win the Cup….just a few
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sweet!
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by Sean Zandberg on Aug 5, 2011 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions
This has been bugging me for a bit
On that Henrik-Daniel shirt design logo on the right that leads to the store, does Daniel look a LOT like Hamhuis to anyone else?
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
Everyone starts looking like the Sedins after awhile...except Luongo
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by Yankee Canuck on Aug 4, 2011 6:24 PM PDT up reply actions
it’s the playoff beards.
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Can we laugh?
But why do I love Shea Weber? Because he wants to win, a Red Wing-like trait
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
As opposed to all those other hockey players, who want to lose.
Clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose.
Yeah
People fantasizing about Shea Weber being an awesome fit on their team are such tools.
Wait…
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by Canuckles on Aug 5, 2011 9:40 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Somewhat off topic
Here’s a Canucks TV interview with Hamhuis about his current status
http://video.canucks.nhl.com/videocenter/console?catid=804&id=121615
I haven't watched it
but let me guess
“really disappointed about how things went down”
“recovery has been progressing really well”
“looking forward to getting back on the ice”
“feeling really good about the upcoming season”
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that sums it up nicely, but it looks like he’ll be ready for training camp which is the important part.
i was just mocking
the sort of generic, predictable answers hockey players give to these sorts of interviews.
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notafullcolon CS: Well obviously I meant we were snorting blow off hookers at the time of the goal
You forgot the one about him giving it 110% :)
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by Sean Zandberg on Aug 4, 2011 8:54 PM PDT up reply actions
well
that’s usually reserved for playoff talk. I was going for the generic “how is your off season recovery going” responses.
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I’m giving it 110% in my preparedness for the upcoming season…
heheh
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by Sean Zandberg on Aug 5, 2011 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions
oh yeah
good point. Dang! I missed one!
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Nah, I had to dig deep for that one
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by Sean Zandberg on Aug 5, 2011 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions
haha
check out ESPN.com’s title for their WSH feature
If ever there was a media-induced TWSS…
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DIRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRTY
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by Sean Zandberg on Aug 4, 2011 9:10 PM PDT up reply actions
apparently
they enjoy filling all the holes.
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MENDOZAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Aug 8, 2011 9:23 PM PDT up reply actions
oh thank god
I thought the member base here collectively matured 35 years and didn’t find my immature stab at all humorous.
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notafullcolon CS: Well obviously I meant we were snorting blow off hookers at the time of the goal
At first I was like "lolwut"
and then I was like “wtf”
but now I’m like “huh”
What a great story if Nolan could impress and provide some experience/grit in a bottom six role.
I know it was an All-Star Game, but this was pretty awesome nonetheless.
I DON'T CARE ABOUT WASHED UP OWEN NOLAN
I WANT KRISTIN REID
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Aug 5, 2011 11:01 PM PDT reply actions 4 recs
rec, x 1 quintizillion
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omg reply fail...
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