Updates On Chris Higgins and Raffi Torres
by Sean Zandberg on Jun 30, 2011 1:05 AM PDT
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PrintEverybody is wondering what is going on with the contract negotiations between the Canucks and Torres and Higgins. Mike Gillis is offering little-to-nothing on the matter and the players have said nothing. All we are left with is what each player's agent had to say on Wednesday (via The Province).
Torres' agent Eustace King:
"We've had preliminary discussions with Vancouver and they've been positive," said King. "At the end of the day, Raffi enjoyed his time in Vancouver. They run a first-class organization. It's too premature now to begin to discuss anything beyond that."
Higgins' agent Matt Keator:
"We've had some preliminary discussions and we'll see where it goes." He also told the Province that a deal was even close to being done.
When asked if he was feeling optimistic that a deal would get done Keator said:
"I hope so. He loves Vancouver. he was treated very well there."
UPDATE: News1130 tweeted today: Raffi Torres's agent says they'll keep plugging away with Canucks today and right up till tomorrow morning's deadline.
So basically, thanks for nothing. We are left with a guessing game as the July 1 deadline looms. Damn it, I hate the waiting. I like what both guys brought and want both of them back, mostly. You grow attached to guys that bled for your team in a deep playoff run. That way of thinking isn't always for the best...
Torres made $1 million last season as the Canucks signed him as a free agent on August 25th. Yeah, he was unwanted. He made $2.75 million the year before that. He averaged 30 points in his last 2 seasons so maybe he's looking for something in between this time around. I would be ok with giving him a 1-2 year deal at somewhere between $1.4 and 1.8 million. The guy played his heart out here and his physical presence was a brutal masterpiece.
Higgins was payed $1.6 million last season. The Canucks acquired him at the trade deadline in exchange for Evan Oberg and a 3rd round pick in 2013. He scored 13 goals and 28 points in 62 games with Florida and Vancouver. His .47 points per game was his highest average since his 2007-08 season with Montreal. 3 of his 4 playoff goals were game-winners for Vancouver. Another guy who put up a gutsy performance in the playoffs. But is he worth more than $1.6 million? No, he's not.
MORE STATS (Playoffs)
-Higgins was 5th on the team with 70 hits and Torres was 6th with 54. That may sound surprising, but chuck in ice time as a factor, for starters. And keep in mind that time on ice plays a roll in all of the stats below.
-NHL.com credits Higgins with 9 giveaways and Torres with 3.
-Higgins had 16 takeaways and Torres had 6.
-Higgins finished 8th on the team with 49 shots and Torres 14th with 20 shots.
-Torres finished 1st on the Canucks with a 15% shooting percentage and Higgins 8th with an 8.2%.
I'd get into more regular season stats but I'd be up all night. I'll save the CORSI and FENWICK for the ones that would like to provide them.
Right after the playoffs ended Mike Gillis said:
"We’re intent to try and keep this team together as best we can with the core assets that we have," Gillis said. "That’s what I’m going to try to do, and I think I can do it."
Does Gillis believe that Higgins and Torres are core assets? In our bottom 6 yes they are. Both can move into the top 6 if injuries occur. I think the biggest question in that regard is how much they can contribute if given top 6 minutes and if it is enough. Is there room for upgrades there? Yes. Higgins had his chance on Kesler's line for much of the playoffs and put up less points than I expected. I honestly believe he can be replaced with ease. But Torres' monstrous physical presence on the ice is something I think will be tougher to replace. That kind of aspect with some timely goals sprinkled in is a beautiful thing that I don't want to lose. That kind of beastie play is great for a playoff run.
We'll know more after today is done I'm sure. If the respective agents are saying the same thing after today's talks we can pretty much bank on both players hitting the free agent market. But really, I am not telling you something that you don't already know. But primarily I want Raffi Torres to be in a Canucks uniform next season.
We will be covering the Deadline closely and will give you all the updates come July 1st, or earlier. Get ready Canucks fans. For soon enough we dine in hell!
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Not Higgins or Torres
But Leafs interested in Ehrhoff? hahahahaha
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Ehrhoff agent Rick Curran: he wants to go to a team where he can win.
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What Curran meant to say was
Christian wants to go where he can makes lots of money but not get noticed for his average defense.
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by Sean Zandberg on Jun 30, 2011 9:15 AM PDT up reply actions
No sour grapes… Ehrhoff would leave a lot of money on the table if he stayed in Vancouver. I hate that fans expect loyalty from players, when teams and fans (the majority) won’t be loyal to the players.
Christian played admirably for us for two years. Now he is in his prime, and has a chance to make a lot of money, and choose a destination that is right for him. That is great for him. He will only have one chance at this…
I don’t know about prime. Same player he always was, AV put him in the best position to succeed and he did so.
He didn’t choose Vancouver in the first place, so I expect no loyalty. Best of luck to him.
He’s 29…… I would say that is in your prime. I consider it to generally be 27-30 for most players, so ya I’ll stand by that comment.
And yes he has been in his prime for the past few years…
Completely agree with you on AV putting him in a very good position to succeed, and I actually think he is incredibly overvalued. I also believe at no point will a significant proportion of us wish we had signed him at this point next year.
I don’t expect loyalty. I want it.
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by Sean Zandberg on Jun 30, 2011 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Tough decision
Had to go with Torres. Canucks need that wrecking ball element somewhere in the lineup.
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its been a long time since we had a player like raffi that can hit to hurt… in terms of offense, higgins and torres bring similar offensive stats to the table… i want torres back for sure…
we can put him with malholtra and hansen, or we can put him with lapierre and oreskovich…
samuelsson malholtra hansen
torres lapierre oreskovich
thats a solid bottom 6
i love what higgins did for us in the playoffs, and we do go attached to players that have bled for us… however, he doesn’t bring enough offense to the table to be on our 2nd line, and we have more than enough bottom 6 players in a lineup llke this… unless we can off load samuelsson/kesler, theres no room for higgins
Should be a busy day
with teams scrambling to sign their FA’s before the deadline.
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St Louis re-signed Oshie
to a 1 year deal for a bag of peanuts and around 2.3 mil.
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34 points in 49 games and he gets $2.3. Nice deal for St. Lou
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by Sean Zandberg on Jun 30, 2011 9:17 AM PDT up reply actions
Maybe because of irresponsible behaviour? Hmm..
by sunshine and lollipops on Jun 30, 2011 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions
Ankle injury
that required surgery out 3 months.
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Great deal for STL. I would have loved him beside Kes.
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by Vancouverguy on Jun 30, 2011 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions
heh
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by Sean Zandberg on Jun 30, 2011 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions
yup
that one’s done
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Goc & Ward headed for free agency. Nice to see that Nashville didn’t dump a ton of money on Ward after he had a decent playoff.
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We can do that!
Oh wait, people take responsible deals coming here.
Still think that is the winger for Kes. And that you dangle that spot in addition to the $$$ come July 1.
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I disagree with Ward being the winger for Kesler. Any team that wants him as a top 6 forward either needs to give their head a shake, or is playing for the number one pick in the 2012 entry draft.
He’s 31, and has never had 160 SOG in a season…
He shot 25% in the playoffs and is a career 9.2% shooter….
I get that
I can’t really get a good shake going on the head because of a neck injury that is lingering a bit right now though, sorry ’bout that.
I get that. He is another Alex Burrows when it comes to work ethic, and he has shown enough skill for me. The fact he has never had 160 SOG in a season is moot. Burrows had the same thing at the 3-4 line spots that Ward started out on. he ended up, in the biggest games, having 1-2 line minutes…PP time.
He showed a good shot in the playoffs. Shooting % is usually an indicator of what line you are on….i.e…playing on the Sedins line usually gives a player a higher shooting % than say…playing on a shittier line.
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I totally agree that SPCT is indicative of line mates…. That’s why if you look at Taylor Pyatt, his SPCT rose when he was with the Sedin’s (More shots from high % spots/positions).
Ward could probably look a lot like Taylor Pyatt’s best season too, if he played with the Sedins. But he won’t and he shouldn’t.
The point is, he has never created much of any offense on his own, so why is he an upgrade over MayRay or Sammuelsson?
His 13 game/28 shots/7 goals in the playoffs isn’t changing things for me.
Totally agree. If you look back at his highlights his goals for the most part weren’t very skillful plays and I believe he just got hot at the right time. I think at best Ward is a fringe top 6 guy. His primary role should be as a 3rd liner but has the ability to step up if needed,
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I keep forgetting Ward is 31. Jeesus!
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by Sean Zandberg on Jun 30, 2011 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions
I love the guys
That get to the NHL on hard work. He is more physical than Raymond, bigger, and as for the type of goals he scored in the playoffs, there were just as many lasers top shelf on one timers as their were dirty goals in front.
They all count the same.
Someone is going to be very happy with him if we miss. Playoff performances do mean a lot. Its indicative of a guy that was at his best in the biggest game.
Sure, on our deep line up he could be a 3-4 line guy. But he has the skill and more importantly will, to be a Top 6 guy. He has a pretty great one timer. Ask Luongo or Ray Emery. Kesler as his centre, playing rambunctious, with another rambunctious player with some talent?
Yes please. I agree there is better rated, and maybe more skilled guys out there than Ward. But he will be relatively cheap, and a great value. Kills penalties, etc.
Not saying you don’t replace the other winger as well…but discounting Ward is just what people did with Burrows, another guy that worked hard to get there from the ECHL.
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Yeah but he could turn out to be Fernando Pisani
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by Sean Zandberg on Jun 30, 2011 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions
What?
Is he suffering from Colitis and its undiagnosed?
That is what killed that guy’s career.
There are other guys I like out there too. For instance, I think Ville Leino could be excellent on Kes’s wing as well.
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No way Philly is going to give up Leino now. They have a good amount of cap space after exiling Carter and Richards and signing Bryz.
Leino
made sure he went to FA this time. Same sorta vibe as Hoff. Some just want to control the process and get pursued for the ego boost maybe…they are only human
Philly will go hard after him though, you got that right.
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Oilers put Souray on unconditional waivers / will buy out his contract
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hmmmm
How would Souray look in blue and green for under $1 mill? Him and Salo together on a PP unit would scare the shit out of anyone else on the ice when the puck comes their way.
as a pp specialist souray would be a nice touch
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I was gonna laugh at you guys for suggesting it, but then I remember Gillis likes reclamation projects
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by Sean Zandberg on Jun 30, 2011 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions
he's 0-for-3 on old-guy projects
so maybe that would deter him from Souray. Or not.
But hey, so long as he doesn’t cost much (unlike that joke of a contract we gave Matthieu Schneider, or Sundin for that matter) I won’t mind.
Sundin
had great value in his short time here. When you consider that Kesler credits him for this maturation as a player, one wonders if Gillis knew exactly what he was doing and got what he expected (a mature influence in the dressing room) when he signed him.
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Hey, nobody wanted Torres last summer. Gillis took a chance and it payed off
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by Sean Zandberg on Jun 30, 2011 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions
On the other hand, he’s got an injury history, isn’t strong defensively, takes bad penalties, and is apparently a bit of a dick. Still, for $700,000 I’d take him.
I’d be shocked if he and Salo were on the ice at the same time for more than 5 minutes in a season.
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he’s a risk for sure. But for a cheap contract I’d take him. If he fails then just send him back to the minors. He was once a stud PP guy, if the price is right I’d be willing to give him another chance. I think being on a contender would motivate him much more to shape up and succeed than on the shitstorm known as the Oilers.
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It’s even more hilarious because they rejected Brule because he was injured
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Even worse, they can’t rescind the deal, because they NEEDED to get rid of Ryan Smyth. Think they’ll do it just for the heck of it, and trade him to Calgary for a bag of peanuts? That’ll be payback for sure.
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by Vancouverguy on Jun 30, 2011 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions
helenenothelen Helene Elliott
Apparently Oilers’ medical reports said Fraser was healed. Kings’ personnel found otherwise
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Huh.
In other sports, they agree to the trade pending physicals. Then if there’s a problem the trade is reworked or canceled.
So this trade is already a done deal. What happens now?
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I'm pretty sure the kings
Can ask the NHL to reverse the trade
by Canuckelhead on Jun 30, 2011 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions
And get stuck with Smyth’s 6M+ cap hit again? I doubt it
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Yeah they probably won't
For that exact reason but I’m thought I remember something like this happening before and the NHL stepped in and reversed the trade at the clubs request. Or is that not possible?
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Yeah, they could file a petition to get the trade reversed if they wanted. Just don’t see it happening
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Yeah, not in this case
Sucks for the kings. Just when they thought they had screwed Edmonton they are the ones who get screwed.
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They have already said, or it was at least strongly speculated in the media
That they won’t challenge it for the $$$ reason.
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they have to eat it, basically
the Oilers sent over a clean bill of health on Fraser, and by the time the Kings got Fraser to their doc, it was too late. I would point people to this the next time they want to yap about the Canucks management being scum.
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says bad things about
either
1) tambellini
or
2) oilers organization.
Or the team doctors
just add that to the list of reasons players don’t want to play in Edmonton. I can’t imagine the Oilers did it on purpose, it looks like they are going to have to send additional compensation to the Kings.
by Canuckelhead on Jun 30, 2011 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions
bad team doctors reflect poorly on oilers organization, is what I mean.
not something you want to happen right before free agency signings.
No kidding
Especially when you’re the northern most city in the NHL.
by Canuckelhead on Jun 30, 2011 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions
Completely hockey related
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by Vancouverguy on Jun 30, 2011 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions
what part of Hawaii?
my parents have done Maui and Kawai (i believe)
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12 teams after Jagr
according to a Czech newspaper, though it doesn’t list the other teams, says Detroit is the front runner
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The Detroit model
Sign a bunch of old guys
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no no
the Rangers Model is “sign a bunch of selfish superstars who can’t play well together as a team and then lose lots of games”
Though that seems to have been discarded of late.
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Though that seems to have been discarded of late.
Alas.
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We have Toronto. Edmonton. Florida. Who am I missing here?
by sunshine and lollipops on Jun 30, 2011 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Why no love for Calgary?
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by Vancouverguy on Jun 30, 2011 10:20 PM PDT up reply actions
You mean...
Sign players at good value contracts that they have a good chance to live up to?
Its the Billy Beane school of GMing. Look for value. Value comes from signing people with undesirable traits (such as old age). Every once in a while you spend a little money, and get a Frank Thomas season. Sometimes you get nothing, but then you didn’t spend very much to begin with so it wasn’t really a mistake…
saw talk that 3 of the teams are Detroit, Montreal and Pittsburgh.
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hahahaha no
there is no way 12 teams are after Jagr. Unless KHL and Czech League teams count
Why not?
If I’m Florida it would make a good buzz for me in a market I’m struggling in…
If I’m Pit/Det/Was its a cheap winger that is highly skilled and healthy….
There should be lots of team calling…. Where is there any proof he can’t play at an NHL level? Even if its not a HOF level…
I just think he’ll turn out like Forsberg.
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by Vancouverguy on Jun 30, 2011 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions
wrong guy was named foote on that team
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by mfarough on Jun 30, 2011 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
He might… but he won’t cost much and not be a lengthy commitment so he won’t cost you anything really at all. And if it works out you got production for cheap and you look like a genius!!
And it is different in the sense that Forsberg was decimated due to injuries. While Jagr is still healthy… I would say its apples and oranges.
There are examples of players this old being 70 point players too.
I think playing well in a league in Europe is one thing, and whether that translates to the same production in the NHL is questionable, at best.
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by Vancouverguy on Jun 30, 2011 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Because...
-the guy’s 39 years old
-he’s asking for good money (at least $2 million)
-he’s spent the past 3 years in the KHL, making it tough to assess how much he’s got left in the tank
-he showed in the Olympics just how fragile he is
-he’s completely one-dimensional – if he’s not lighting it up offensively, he’ll be useless
-he’ll be asking for plenty of ice time, or he’ll just threaten to go back to the KHL again
-did I mention he’s 39 years old?
I wouldn’t want him unless he comes cheap, and he won’t. Too much risk if you have to pay him well. And I imagine most GMs are thinking the same thing.
You just listed the reasons why he is undervalued…
The length of the contract will be 1 year, so if he sucks, then it costs you very little because you aren’t tied to him. And because he will get a one year deal, you eliminate almost all risk.
Combine that with the chance he could score a lot of points in the right scenario you will find a lot of GMs wanting to add him as $2 million is relatively cheap.
Signing Bieksa to a 5 year 23 million dollar deal has a lot more risk than signing Jagr to a 1 year 2 million dollar deal. **I’m not saying I want Jagr on the Canucks, or am I saying Bieksa was a bad signing. Just trying to make a point on what “risk” actually is.
hahaha
pretty sure the fact he’s one-dimensional, expensive, fragile, a KHL flight risk and old as fuck doesn’t make him undervalued.
Sure, since you’re not signing him to a multi-year deal, the risk is subdued, but there’s still a big risk in that Jagr producing is far from a sure thing. Yeah, he could put up 60 points, but it’s far more likely he won’t. It’s tough to know what to expect because comparing the KHL and NHL on-ice product is an exercise in futility.
Whereas with someone like Bieksa, you can be far more assured of what you’re getting – he’s played in the NHL for years and was extremely consistent this season. His only bad years since his breakout year have been not-so-coincidentally when he endured freak-injuries that put his season in a tailspin. Sure there’s a risk with Bieksa too, but it’s FAR less risky than someone like Jagr, who is a giant question mark to be frank.
To a GM whose team is a Cup contender (see Detroit, Pittsburgh), $2 million or more to a boom-or-bust player is a big risk. That’s $2 million that could be spent on, say, a sure-fire #4 defenseman or a good third-liner. Jagr could turn out to be a great success, but based on what we’ve seen from similar cases (Forsberg, Matthieu Schneider, Claude Lemieux, etc), it usually does not turn out well and probably wont’ for Jagr either. I’d bet on him barely sticking around all year with 40-some-odd points, all the while being a defensive liability, make one playoff run with whichever team he signs with, and then promptly retiring.
Other GMs can take the risk (and yes, there’s absolutely a risk) in Jagr, but if I were a GM I wouldn’t touch him with a 10-foot pole unless he came cheap.
Do you really think that if he is performing at an elite level he is a fight risk? Neither do I. But that’s not the point…
I agree. You have no idea what you are going to get with Jagr. You don’t know if he’ll score 70 points and be great, or if he’ll score 40 and suck. I’m not disagreeing with you on that. And I completely agree with you that Bieksa is more likely to give you what you expect. But that doesn’t make Bieksa less risky.
Because the Canucks have invested so much in Bieksa he is in fact a rather large risk… You have to measure risk by the size of investment.
What you are talking about mostly is opportunity cost: If you sign Jagr, you can’t sign Player X.
Think of it like this. If I bet a dollar that I will win the lottery, did I take a large risk? No, because my investment was low and it was a one time gamble, even though the lottery itself has a lot of risk….
So for Pittsburgh and Detroit, it IS a question of opportunity cost like you were actually referring too. However, they are clearly willing to take a small risk (investment size) and get a 70 point player, instead of taking a sure commodity with that two million with a lot less upside.
Just because you don't know what you will get
Doesn’t mean its risky
Unless you go all in with a pair of 2’s before the first flop?
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by Sean Zandberg on Jun 30, 2011 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Isn’t not knowing what you get, and going ahead with it anyways, the very definition of risky?
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by Vancouverguy on Jun 30, 2011 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions
so long as there's something to lose over doing it
then yeah, exactly.
Risk
Me not knowing what the weather is going to be tomorrow doesn’t make it risky. If I bet my house on it being sunny then it is risky.
If you have a very small investment on a question mark, you reduce your risk because your exposure is low.
It’s why a lot of investment portfolios will only have a small portion dedicated to “risky” stocks. Its not a risk to your whole portfolio if they go sour…
Risk is dependant on the investment, not on the commodity.
Sean: If you went all in on a pair of 2’s its risky because you went all in with a pair of 2s not because you have a pair of 2s.
If you limped in, its not very risky at all. (assuming decent sized chip count of course ;) )
Oh gee thanks for the clarification, Haynes! haha
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by Sean Zandberg on Jul 1, 2011 12:37 AM PDT up reply actions
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#NHL news. Steve Montador agreeing to terms with #Blackhawks. Word is 11M over 4 yrs.
2.75M
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Fuckity fuck fuck
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by Sean Zandberg on Jun 30, 2011 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions
I wanted Montador
but for nearly $3 million a year x 4 years? No thanks. Last year was his peak IMO.
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by Vancouverguy on Jun 30, 2011 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions
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BREAKING: Owners have informed players they are locking out. #NBA #lockout
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by Sean Zandberg on Jun 30, 2011 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Americans
Aren’t going to know what the fuck to do during the winter.
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"/>hahaha wow
Pretty sure Bettman is quietly fist-pumping incessantly over this
I don’t think Bettman fist-pumps… more likely laughing like a maniacal Mr. Burns.
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I think he just twitches and makes weird noises. He is incapable of laughter
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by Sean Zandberg on Jul 1, 2011 12:37 AM PDT up reply actions
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Raffi Torres’s agent says they’ll keep plugging away with Canucks today and right up till tomorrow morning’s deadline.
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That sounds good…and bad I guess
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At least GMMG is trying. The white flag hasn’t gone up yet
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by Sean Zandberg on Jun 30, 2011 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Guessing he probably wants around 2M
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And Gillis is offering 1.5? I wonder what length of contract both sides want
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by Sean Zandberg on Jun 30, 2011 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m guessing Gillis would want a shorter one, 1-2 yrs?
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That’s my guess too.
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by Sean Zandberg on Jun 30, 2011 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions
i really hope
we resign him, brings alot to the table if we can get him at a decent price. gritty player who contributed… and destroyed people
me too
Sedins = Sedinery
Torres = Badassery
Something that is rare on this team
sooo badass
one of those guys that everyone on the ice knows hes on the ice, and know to keep their head up or at least try. he sort of lurks and waits for an opening then destroys you
That’s why I want him on the Sedin line for a bigger stint
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by Sean Zandberg on Jun 30, 2011 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree
The sedins need a protector to keep from getting battered by the cheap shot artists
well
those cheap shot artists only appeared during the playoffs, and mostly on one team. I don’t think it’s a pressing matter to be honest.
But then again
those cheap shots are supposed to be, yknow, penalties. So long as the refs do their job it won’t become a trend.
true and had their PP been anything other than invisible in the finals the cheap shots may have stopped.
Though “supposed to be penalties” is the key phrase because that really seems to depend on what game it is, what period it is and potentially even the player that is receiving the cheap shot (ie are they a diver) . The inconsistency of penalties depending on the game or on the period drives me crazy
and don’t forget how the media stoked it for all it’s worth too…
“Canucks are weak whiny blah blah shouldn’t even be here blah blah diving blah blah. so hit hard b/c those divers are never legitimately penalized,so do whatever you want to them.
I think the biggest tinkering that needs to be done is how they deal with the media.
but it's all connected
the media plays the storyline, makes thinly -based accusations, manipulate statements and situations to create animosity. the fans react to it, and even if they don’t actually directly act on it, the story is in the back of the minds of the officials, so calls that can go either way go in favor of the other team.
Our team is not a team of fighters and that was exploited.
If I was Canucks mgmt I would be waaay more cagey about who I let talk to whom…
@reporterchris:
Sounds like there’s nothing imminent between Winnipeg and Andrew Ladd on a new contract.
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"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
you ok? You just passed out, right?
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by Sean Zandberg on Jun 30, 2011 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Did that picture not work?
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
Dammit. It was supposed to be Mr Burns
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AHHHH!!
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by Sean Zandberg on Jun 30, 2011 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions
i agree
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by Sean Zandberg on Jul 1, 2011 12:38 AM PDT up reply actions
What about Jannik Hansen
More essential then Raffi, imo.
He’s an RFA who they sent a Qualifying offer to so I think it’s less time sensitive? Not 100% sure on the RFAs
He can sign offer sheets
On July 1st though
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ummm
If he is qualified, they can match.
I can’t remember, does he have arb rights, or did they already go to arb with him?
If so, then yeah, he can sign sheets I think
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Stauffer reports that the Oilers indicated the injury to Colin Fraser in the trade memo and that an “as is” situation was agreed to.
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Does Fraser have "As Is" stamped on him somewhere?
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by Pseuccubus on Jun 30, 2011 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
TSNBobMcKenzie Bob McKenzie
Fleischmann, who puts up #s in potential top 6 forward role, has been told as long as he stays on medication, he’ll be free of clot issue.
I wouldn’t mind giving his a shot he put up amazing number during his brief stint with Colorado and the season before he was traded. Give him a short term deal to he can prove his health and consistency.
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But isn’t he a softer guy? Don’t they want a physical presence to play with Kes?
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by Vancouverguy on Jun 30, 2011 10:21 PM PDT up reply actions
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Christian Ehrhoff deal essentially done, hearing around a 5.3M cap hit, multi year deal.
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Who is that guy?
And is he reliable?
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some guy that was suggested i should follow. He/she is pretty reliable. Eklund follows him :P
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Ahh
So he basically saw someone else say between 5 and 5.5 and stabbed right at the centre. That’s how you play the “make shit up” game folks!
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looks like his guess is right so far sean is saying the same rthing
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Sean has no other inside info on this, he’s just guessing too :)
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correct!
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by Sean Zandberg on Jul 1, 2011 12:39 AM PDT up reply actions
I was playing a guessing game with Artem Chubarov
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by Sean Zandberg on Jul 1, 2011 12:39 AM PDT up reply actions
I’ve made an Open Thread with all significant moves from today….
http://www.nucksmisconduct.com/2011/6/30/2253021/paging-mr-gillis-mr-gillis-d-day-open-thread
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But is he worth more than $1.6 million? No, he’s not.
Higgy is basically a 40-point player, they’re worth $2.5-3.0M these days. I wouldn’t pay more than $2.5M on a short-term deal.
I’d give Raffi up to $1.8M.
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Don’t want to pay Higgins more than 2.5. Or even too much more than 2
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I want both
but if I had to choose between the 2, I’d go with Higgins. Hopefully MG gets ’er done and brings most of our team back.
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