Canucks re-sign Andrew Alberts for 2 years, $2.45 million
That from Jason Botchford on Twitter. I think this is a good deal. After a rough start with the Canucks 2 trade deadlines ago, Alberts really settled into his role as time went on to the point where you can rely on the guy. Alberts was making $1.05 million last season, so this is a slight raise.
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I hate this.
HATE it.
Never been a fan, never will be. He’s at best 6th defenseman, more likely 7th knowing AV’s motto of ‘when in Rome’. Spending that much on a scratch makes no sense, especially when we have a glaring second line gap that needs filling.
GMMG had better have some bigger and more confidence-inspiring moves up his sleeves than this…maybe a San Jose Sharks-patented sign-and-trade? Too much to hope?
They were about to dress Baumgartner in the SCF
You can never have too many Dmen. And Alberts made strides this year. 1.225 isn’t terrible for a bottom pairing guy
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An Alberts-Rome 5th and 6th pairing….I can see it happening.
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by Sean Zandberg on Jun 29, 2011 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Where does that leave Ballard if Salo signs? Traded?
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Oh yeah, Ballard, huh well I guess that makes Rome/Alberts 6th and 7th then
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by Sean Zandberg on Jun 29, 2011 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions
which is still better
than having to use the words “John” and “Scott” together when talking about the lower levels of your D.. count your blessings!
enough of the niceties: time for the eye-gouging..
by mightymike D on Jun 29, 2011 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL
mike, I thought Ehrhoff is waiting for free agency to come there?
Buffalo is on the clock.
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Mike, are you talking to me?
I love our depth on D.
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by Sean Zandberg on Jun 29, 2011 7:08 PM PDT up reply actions
No
mightymike. I was saying Hoff to the Hawks.
I love the depth too. Ballard replacing Hoff’s minutes is fine with me. If he can’t do it, you trade him to a cap floor team and get someone else.
I trust GMMG. Ballard is a good player that needs to show.
Nothing wrong with having a motivated guy
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by Yankee Canuck on Jun 29, 2011 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I thought Alberts was very poor in the playoffs, and isn’t that why we’re here? I’d have cut him loose and brought in another cheap vet, someone who would be happy to earn less but would die for 14-16mins a game. I just don’t get the feeling that Alberts is a 110% kind of guy.
by Azzy Mahmood on Jun 29, 2011 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Not many of those around
You either get a Mathieu Schneider type or a Nolan Baumgartner type who just isn’t very effective anymore.
If Baumer had been given a shot, he’d have been dynamite. Last chance at NHL action, Stanley Cup final? At his age? He’d have left it all on the ice, whereas AA (and admittedly half our roster) left only their pride behind.
Don’t get me wrong, I appreciate Alberts’s talents, but re-signing him doesn’t address our deficiencies…
by Azzy Mahmood on Jun 29, 2011 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Um.......
If Baumer had been given a shot, he’d have been dynamite.
Never mind.
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by Section 312 on Jun 29, 2011 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't think it's that crazy
Baumgartner is a pretty underrated defenseman and is built exactly in the mold of “today’s” Dman. He’s the captain of our farm team and if he played for a team without as much depth as Vancouver would probably be playing in the bigs for a chunk of every season. To suggest a guy who’s been so loyal to the franchise wouldn’t step up given the opportunity isn’t really giving him his due. Now to suggest that he would be more stoked than Alberts to go in is a stretch but let’s not dismiss Baumer entirely.
by Canuckelhead on Jun 29, 2011 7:35 PM PDT up reply actions
I had a similar argument with someone a couple years ago
about Alexandre Giroux. There is a reason he is in the AHL. Simply out he isn’t good enough for the NHL. Baumer is a great AHL D man but time and time again it has been proven that he is out of his league in the NHL now. He would have been hacked to shreds. Especially to be dropped into that intensity level after time off. Would have been a bad scene.
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by Section 312 on Jun 29, 2011 10:54 PM PDT up reply actions
I watched Giroux play a fair bit and I can’t believe he never sticks in the NHL. Unreal.
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by Sean Zandberg on Jun 29, 2011 10:58 PM PDT up reply actions
He's a hell of a hockey player
just not an NHL player. Nothing wrong with that.
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by Section 312 on Jun 29, 2011 11:01 PM PDT up reply actions
No, nothing wrong with that but it’s still baffling to me considering the numbers he put up in the AHL
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by Sean Zandberg on Jun 29, 2011 11:45 PM PDT up reply actions
It's also possible
That a guy with NHL level skills never gets the right opportunity. Alex Burrows was almost that guy and there’s a long list of guys who have just as much heart and more skill. Thinking it’s just as black and white as NHL level vs not NHL level is taking a pretty narrow view of the politics and chance that are involved for the average to below average NHL player playing in the bigs.
by Canuckelhead on Jun 30, 2011 12:31 AM PDT up reply actions
So, getting a chance with the rebuilding Oilers and not making it wasn’t a fair shake?
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by Sean Zandberg on Jun 30, 2011 1:45 AM PDT up reply actions
Call it what you want
but if a guy is good enough for the NHL he would be in the NHL. GMs and coaches want to keep their jobs. So if they have a guy who can help them do that they aren’t going to leave him buried in the minors. And if a guy can’t step up when he gets his chance then he isn’t good enough to be in the NHL either. It happens in every sport and particularly in baseball where they have what are known as “AAAA players”. Too good for AAA but not good enough for the big leagues. Alex Giroux is a great example of a ‘AAAA’ hockey player. Too good for the AHL not good enough for the NHL.
And you Alex Burrows example? Almost didn’t make it? Doesn’t make sense. He did make it. Cause he got a chance and he grabbed it with both hands and didn’t let go. He made himself into an NHL level hockey player. He got to the NHL by being good enough for the NHL.
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by Section 312 on Jun 30, 2011 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions
You have to admit
That a guy like Alex Burrows could have never gotten his opportunity. In fact, if the lockout doesn’t happen he probably doesn’t. Disclaimer: I don’t know i’m right, this kind of discussion can never really be proven either way and I’ve had it many times and people whose opinions I really respect have come down on both sides, as a result my thinking can shift it’s always an interesting conversation and since you seem to know a lot about hockey I’m interested in your take. But, my opinion isn’t strong enough to get into an argument.
Now, the best example I ever heard, and the people discussing this were close to it so it still holds weight with me, it was when Cooke was coming up with the Canucks. At the time, as you may remember, the Canucks literally had at least two or three prospects who had roughly the same level of skill as cooke, guys like Schaeffer, Josh Holden and Harold Druken were maybe even a little more skilled. But Marc Crawford and Matt Cooke are both from Bellville Ontario and so Crawford took a shine to him rather than the other guys and gave him more minutes, more opportunity and helped mold Cooke into the kinda player he had been, an agitator. From their Cooke found a role on the team and the other guys never got the same opportunity. A player like Josh Holden never really got a chance to play like Cooke. Had he got that opportunity and tutelage at that crucial time who knows what his NHL career might have looked like. Some guys have to sink or swim and some guys get a hand under their belly. Cooke is one of those guys and there’s lots of them.
by Canuckelhead on Jun 30, 2011 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions
I just feel like if a guy works hard enough
and sticks with it long enough and has enough belief he will eventually make it if he is good enough. There might be a handful of guys who never had an opportunity to show what they can really do. But not that many. And the ones that don’t stick around long enough to get another shot didn’t have what it takes to make it either.
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by Section 312 on Jun 30, 2011 5:22 PM PDT up reply actions
I tend to agree
It gets confusing because good enough is a hard thing to quantify everybody needs a good coach and mentor somewhere along the way. Probably a few of them.
by Canuckelhead on Jun 30, 2011 5:37 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
You have to admit
The Cooke example is interesting and food for thought.
by Canuckelhead on Jun 30, 2011 5:38 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Without having been there
or having talked to Crawford I wouldn’t want to draw a conclusion from it. The mutual home town thing could be a coincidence. Could just be that Cooke was the one most willing to do whatever it took to stick.
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by Section 312 on Jun 30, 2011 5:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Easy…
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by Sean Zandberg on Jun 29, 2011 7:09 PM PDT up reply actions
I just think it's silly
To assume Alberts wluldn’t be equally psyched by the oppurtunity.
you’re insane
please stop talking
Ease up is all I’m saying. Insults like that are not welcome here.
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by Sean Zandberg on Jun 29, 2011 7:35 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Thanks man
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by Sean Zandberg on Jun 29, 2011 8:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Baumgartner
was going in before Ballard.
by Canuckelhead on Jun 29, 2011 7:58 PM PDT up reply actions
not bad option
given that if Sami Salo gets resigned, he is generally only good for 75% of the season.
Alberts performed well enough in that 6 / 7 role and provides depth to the organization.
Alberts provides veteran insurance in the event that one of the prospects doesn’t blow the doors off the coaching staff in the preseason. I would prefer Alberts to be on the squad next year, as opposed to one of our prospects (i.e. Tanev) who would be losing valuable development time opting in as a part-time, bottom pairing defensemen.
Not a bad signing
Overall I find Alberts to be more consistent (and therefore better) than Rome at playing a safe game.
1.225m / year is a decent value. Montador would have cost around 2.5-3 on the UFA market, I’d think.
Rome
Was actually doing a very good job in the playoffs (surprisingly).
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by Sean Zandberg on Jun 29, 2011 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Nothing wrong with Alberts
We had him last year, and he was very useful. If we want to maintain the same quality defense corps, we need him this year as well. We know what he can do, and we get what we expect of him.
We still need to find a replacement for Ehrhoff, though.
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Very useful? Really?
-8 in 9 playoff games, combined with (at best) mediocre play. He didn’t play enough to pick up injuries, so what was the reason for his cruddy playoffs?
Hammer-Bieksa
Edler-Salo
Ballard-Tanev
Rome
are the top 7 (if Salo re-ups), leaving Alberts at 8th on the depth chart. I’d rather carry Sauve, or get Stralman or Montador, than waste this cap hit on a non-factor.
Ho hum.
by Azzy Mahmood on Jun 29, 2011 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions
his cruddy playoffs
not playing for a really long time after returning from injury.
His -8
just shows how inaccurate +/- is.
I tabulated SCF Neilson Numbers (check the fanposts) for Alberts, Rome (for his 3 games), and Ehrhoff.
Here are the results:
Quoting the Edmonton Journal writers Bruce McCurdy and David Staples:
Defenders meanwhile, are doing well to break even, and stay-at-home defenders apt to score worse than that.
- Alberts did almost as well EVF as he did EVA. Alberts is a stay at home defenseman. Under McCurdy and Staples’ opinion, Alberts was pretty much at his optimum level.
- I would conclude that Ehrhoff’s shitty performance dragged down Alberts somewhat. They were paired together for the majority of the series after all.
tl;dr, from an analytical perspective, Alberts was one of our better defensemen in the finals.
by seedvt on Jun 29, 2011 6:03 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
You the man! Thanks for doing the work for me!
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by Sean Zandberg on Jun 29, 2011 7:31 PM PDT up reply actions
This would be better if it had their minutes
I remember Alberts playing some pretty sheltered minutes and Ehrhoff being on the ice a hell of a lot with the absence of Hamhuis and the brokeness of Edler. Also, Alberts mostly played with Tanev not Ehrhoff, otherwise their plus minus would be nearly the same. It’s easy to be the “best” Dman when you only play 12 mins a night.
by Canuckelhead on Jun 29, 2011 7:53 PM PDT up reply actions
According to TimeOnIce.com
In games 2 and 4, Alberts and Ehrhoff were a pairing. (10.3 and 7.7 minutes, respectively)
Games 5, 6, 7 featured Alberts and Tanev. (8.3, 9.6, 10.5 minutes, respectively)
Game 3 was a mix and match between all 5 dmen because of Rome’s match penalty.
So you are actually right about Tanev being his regular partner. Thanks for pointing that out.
In terms of playing softer minutes, he drew the Kelly/Peverley/Ryder line and the Boston 4th line for the majority (about 60/40 between those lines)
But if I’ve learned anything last season, it is that teams need to have depth players excel in their given roles. Ballard is an example of this – he’s usually a top 2 or top 4 guy in the teams previous, and this year he was supposed to anchor the bottom pairing and wasn’t particularly effective in doing so. Alberts is always going to be a bottom pairing physical D – and imo, he’s effective at it.
I personally think he’s had a solid year. I would have preferred a 1 year deal, though.
Thanks for looking that up and sharing.
I think he had a solid year too and I think the signing was pretty fair. Not a good deal for the Canucks but they didn’t vastly overpay either. Especially given what’s out there and what UFA’s will be going for. I just took issue with the comment of Ehrhoff dragging Alberts down and Alberts being the best Dman in the finals, it looks like he wasn’t even playing 10 mins. Ehrhoff was playing with a bum shoulder and was asked to take on a lot more responsibility in the finals. I think it’s unfair that people are judging him on that last series. Especially given the fact that so many Canucks played far below their expected level.
by Canuckelhead on Jun 29, 2011 8:41 PM PDT up reply actions
I think it’s unfair that people are judging him on that last series. Especially given the fact that so many Canucks played far below their expected level.
Another reason why +/- can be an ass stat
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by Sean Zandberg on Jun 29, 2011 8:51 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm not judging him on that last series though
I’m judging him on the ones before it, which weren’t much better (Ehrhoff that is)
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I know we can't afford him
and I don’t think that even if we could we should sign him for more than Bieksa made. But I stand by the statement that he’s the best UFA Dman this year and if it could have happened I would have loved him to be back as our fourth rather than what we have now.
by Canuckelhead on Jun 29, 2011 8:58 PM PDT up reply actions
I would echo that. I would love him back too. But he would have cost too much and messed up our D line spending for a while (with Edler needing a new contract in 2 years)
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I totally get that
What I don’t get is the people that were happy he didn’t sign. I understand being happy he didn’t sign for 6, that’s too much. But to be happy he’s not coming back regardless of the contract? It makes no sense.
by Canuckelhead on Jun 29, 2011 9:05 PM PDT up reply actions
It's like
“There’s no way our D will be as deep this season as last season. Yay!”
by Canuckelhead on Jun 29, 2011 9:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Depth. Well that depends on how you look at it. On paper it can look nice. But I’ll take a defensive guy playing with Edler so he can jump in the rush over another offensive defenceman like Ehrhoff. And I wouldn’t mind a guy that is bigger and plays tougher. Hmm..sounds like what Ballard could/should be. I liked Boston’s D. Not huge names beyond Kaberle and Chara but they got mean and dirty and got the job done. I really admired what Seidenberg brought too. We don’t need a $6 million D-man on top of what we have. The fact that Ehrhoff is the best D-man on the free agent list says how pathetic the list is.
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by Sean Zandberg on Jun 29, 2011 10:27 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree about the thin list
But it also speaks to the fact that we probably won’t be able to find another guy to fill those minutes. I also agree about Boston but my feeling was it was more about their team D in that series than it was about specific Dmen. It seemed like they defended so well as a five man unit. So maybe that should give me hope the Canucks can do the same with whoever replaces Ehrhoff. I’m just not confident that his name starts with a B and ends with an allard.
by Canuckelhead on Jun 29, 2011 11:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh, well I am!
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by Sean Zandberg on Jun 29, 2011 11:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Everyone
doubting Ballard right now is going to be eating crow next summer. It will be Bieksa 2.0. (provided he stays with this team which I think is going to happen)
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by Section 312 on Jun 30, 2011 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions
I think that if he is given decent minutes he will turn things around.
Might take him and AV (and/or anyone else involved in whatever the reasons are that he was not played) sitting down and going over why things went the way they did last year and what they need from each other to have a good season :)
I commend the dude for playing through a blown up shoulder
that is difficult. But if he wasn’t able to perform, why didn’t he sit out? We had a healthy body (albeit with a damaged pride) by the name of Ballard. Maybe these questions are better directed to AV and Bowness
Ballard was not getting back in
That’s why they called Baumer away from his family on vacation in Cali. and I can say with absolute certainty that was never the plan. He had no idea he might be called ahead of Ballard which is why he made vacation plans. That’s why I’m not as convinced as others that Ballard is going to be able to just slip into the line up and all will be forgotten. Wishful thinking on Gillis’s part I think.
by Canuckelhead on Jun 29, 2011 9:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, Gillis calls the shots. AV answers to him
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by Sean Zandberg on Jun 29, 2011 10:28 PM PDT up reply actions
So when Gillis says he expects Ballard to bounce back I’m sure that means AV will play him
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by Sean Zandberg on Jun 29, 2011 10:57 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm sure he wants AV to play him
He traded for him but whether or not AV plays him for any length of time of time is still to be seen. I’m sure GMMG didn’t envision him playing as little as he did last season either.
by Canuckelhead on Jun 29, 2011 11:07 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't know he does
When it comes it on ice decisions I think the GM gives the coach final say. I could totally be wrong when it comes to AV and GMMG’s relationship but that’s the standard GM coach relationship as I understand it.
by Canuckelhead on Jun 29, 2011 11:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Did you watch Bylsma and Shero on that Pens-Caps behind the scenes series? They evaluated every player after every game together.
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by Sean Zandberg on Jun 29, 2011 11:48 PM PDT up reply actions
It’s how it works. Gillis is AV’s boss. AV answers to Gillis. I’d be very surprised if Gillis was a hands-off kind of guy
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by Sean Zandberg on Jun 29, 2011 11:49 PM PDT up reply actions
I recall someone asking MG about the decision to start CS in CHI-6. He said something to the effect of “of course it was a group decision”.
by Passive Voice on Jun 30, 2011 12:00 AM PDT up reply actions
what would he say?
“That was my coaches choice and I’m not sure it was the right one”
by Canuckelhead on Jun 30, 2011 12:23 AM PDT up reply actions
He could have said
“AV is my coach and AV makes the decisions. I support his decision 100%.”
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by Section 312 on Jun 30, 2011 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm not saying gillis doesn't have input
Just that if AV really doesn’t like someone it’s ultimately his decision and GMMG will trust his judgment. I don’t know. Maybe I’m still trying to be right because everyone piked on near the end of the season when I said AV wasn’t playing Ballard cause he didn’t like him. I even remember someone mocking me and saying obviously he was hurt. Hopefully you’re right and Ballard steps up next season.
by Canuckelhead on Jun 30, 2011 12:13 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm going to assume
The plan is to have Ballard step in to replace Ehrhoff, and hopefully get Salo to come back for one more year for a discount?
Juice / Hammer
Edler / Salo?
Ballard / Tanev?
Alberts / Rome
Seems to be a lot riding on Ballard I guess.
Who's plan is that
I have a hard time believing it’s AV’s plan to have Ballard replace Ehrhoff. In fact I don’t think there is a way to replace ehrhoff with who is available. I just hope we get a forward with that money. There’s a reason Gillis seemed pissed Ehrhoff didn’t sign for Bieksa money. He knows he’s the best available Dman. What do you do now? Overpay for Kaberle? Doesn’t make a lot of sense to give Kaberle 5.5 to me.
by Canuckelhead on Jun 29, 2011 7:40 PM PDT up reply actions
bahahaha. Pass the buck!
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damn!
from the Isles to the Buff.. Ehrhoff must have upset someone, somewhere..
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enough of the niceties: time for the eye-gouging..
by mightymike D on Jun 29, 2011 5:24 PM PDT up reply actions
You’re a SCH cop? Be careful, Cook County bitches don’t fuck around. Also Toews is horribly overrated ;)
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by Yankee Canuck on Jun 29, 2011 6:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh that’s all it takes? Just lie? That Cook County vibe IS working on ya! ;)
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by Yankee Canuck on Jun 29, 2011 6:53 PM PDT up reply actions
The power of typing
You can put anything as your signature
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ooooh
very clever….
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the title isn't why you have less insults
we’re all just getting used to you coming around.
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You have to get used
To what makes the inmates go crazy over there.
Talking about the Canucks tends to. Hence why I now just ‘z’ over anything involving them
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we're a bit stir crazy
long summer, having to watch YOU GUYS in the Final…ya know, it’s enough to drive some people crazy ;)
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Hamhuis got the same treatment last year too. It is actually an honour that some teams want to waste a draft pick on a chance to talk to you before all other teams do. That’s why players with a no-trade-clause typically refuses to waive it before July 1st (not wanting teams to waste draft pick).
By the way, I have heard that Ehrhoff is a whiner in the locker room.
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by Sean Zandberg on Jun 29, 2011 7:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Anyone else thinking
this is the nail in the coffin to the idea Gillis would try for a PP QB UFA to replace Ehrhoff? Spots on D are running out fast. Plus Gillis seemed intent on convincing the press Ballard could fill in on the PP. Wouldn’t surprise me if we stuck with the D we have right now, with or without Salo.
true
if we’re gonna stick with Ballard AV better give him the ice time he needs to prove himself
Those guys were piled on by the fans
Not the coach. Big difference.
by Canuckelhead on Jun 30, 2011 9:38 AM PDT up reply actions
Because
you know, he has done it his whole career to some success, before arriving here.
Last year was his initiation, or something. Bam Bam was a defenseman way back when, more the quality of Rome or less ( AV only played 42 games for STL)…so he takes his blue line shit seriously. He knows you can have usually one “high risk defenseman” in your 6, and that was the Hoff.
I totally see Ballard replacing his spot because he can. You get a super motivated guy that wants to prove that everything he did last year was not what he has done the previous six.
I fully expect the same, and him having a big year, actually.
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Of course
Ehrhoff is the best available. Everyone else and you will vastly overpay. That’s why players get to UFA, cause they wanna get paid and they will
by Canuckelhead on Jun 29, 2011 7:43 PM PDT up reply actions
http://video.canucks.nhl.com/videocenter/console?hlg=20102011,2,197&event=VAN301
re-signing!
re-signing!
He’s not done with hockey yet!
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Word is CKNW 980 in Vancouver reporting Hodgson, Samuelsson, Schneider for Parise. NO idea if it is true, better wait for TSN on this one.
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by PKSube on Jun 29, 2011 6:41 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
That’s a gut busting block buster. Losing Coho is one thing, losing Luongo insurance is another. But Kesler/Parise is filthy disgusting.
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by Yankee Canuck on Jun 29, 2011 6:54 PM PDT up reply actions
I worry about losing the Luongo insurance though – isn’t one of the reasons that we did so well this year was because Schneider played more to give Lu a rest? And Schneider did well in those games?
It's a rumor, don't worry
Fairly certain it’s impossible to do this (see my question below)
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by Yankee Canuck on Jun 29, 2011 7:11 PM PDT up reply actions
yeah I get that :) and put no stock in the rumor
I should have clarified that I meant the thought at all worries me because I know that it is a possibility (not this exact trade but to have him traded if the terms were right)
pretty sure I remember Gillis even saying that while he would like to see Schneider here for the next 5-6 years if the right deal came along it wouldn’t be out of the question. That’s what worries me lol
wait a sec
Parise is scheduled for arbitration. Isn’t there something saying that you can’t trade pre-arbitration?
I need clarification: I know you can’t move the player after arbitration, but if the Devils and Parise agree to a deal before then, do the same rules apply?
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by Yankee Canuck on Jun 29, 2011 7:03 PM PDT up reply actions
If Devils sign him to a deal before the arbitration hearing, then he’s tradable. Wisniewski was signed by the Ducks then traded to the Islanders, a few days before his arbitration
Yeah that’s what I thought. So the likely false rumor has a likely 10% chance of becoming true. LET’S GO APESHIT.
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by Yankee Canuck on Jun 29, 2011 7:16 PM PDT up reply actions
WOOOOOOO
I’M BREAKING OUT THE HAMMER AND THE PEPPERONI STICKS
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Haha, what movie is that from again? Dumb and Dumber right?
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by Sean Zandberg on Jun 29, 2011 10:29 PM PDT up reply actions
#Devils trade Zach Parise to #Canucks for G Cory Schneider, Cody Hodgson,Mikael Samuelsson and conditional 2nd in 2012
Tweeted by TSNBubMcKenzie
heheh
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MOAR BUB!
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by Yankee Canuck on Jun 29, 2011 8:04 PM PDT up reply actions
BEELZEBUB?
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
I DEMAND MORE TRADES/RUMOURS
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how about another fake account?
(see Sean’s tweet-share there)
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I’m not gonna lie, I nearly shit myself when I first saw the tweet, then saw the Bub and laughed
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by Sean Zandberg on Jun 29, 2011 7:46 PM PDT up reply actions
i didn’t notice the sublte fakeness there at first.
but the real Bob was tweeting at the time, so i checked to see if he himself said it, and he hadn’t.
then i saw you tweet “BUBle”, and figured it out.
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by westy99 on Jun 29, 2011 7:50 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Nice!
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by Sean Zandberg on Jun 29, 2011 7:55 PM PDT up reply actions
HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!
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Apparently BubMckenzie has just deleted his account
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by Sean Zandberg on Jun 29, 2011 8:19 PM PDT up reply actions
I rode him hard
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by Sean Zandberg on Jun 29, 2011 10:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Leafs have acquired Maxime Talbot’s rights. True?
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False
Apparently they had “exclusive negotiating” rights anyways for 48 hours
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TSNBobMcKenzie Bob McKenzie
OK, my turn for a correction. PIT granted permission for Talbot’s rep to talk only to TOR for 48 hours commencing Sunday.
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Max Talbot’s rights have not been traded to TOR or anywhere else. Talbot’s rep has had permission since Sunday to talk to other teams.
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Pens have signed Arron Asham to a 1-year deal
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Good 4th liner
Pens leading goal scorer in the last playoff.
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by Sean Zandberg on Jun 29, 2011 7:54 PM PDT up reply actions
BREAKING NEWS
Inside look at the Ehrhoff-Islanders negotiations last night.
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by Semi_Colon on Jun 29, 2011 7:54 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
haha
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by Sean Zandberg on Jun 29, 2011 7:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Hahahaha
I’m sure it’s why you posted it but the best part is that’s almost exactly what happened. Apparently they made him an offer that would be void July 1st. I can just picture Snow with that folder. Bahahaha!
by Canuckelhead on Jun 29, 2011 7:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Haha
That’s pretty much exactly why I thought of it
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Fuckers
@SabresDotCom
Buffalo Sabres
The #Sabres have traded the negotiating rights to Steve Montador to Chicago for a conditional draft pick – read more at http://bit.ly/lZHb9l
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FUCKITY FUCK
For now…
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by Sean Zandberg on Jun 29, 2011 8:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Hopefully he wants to sign here
If thats the case they can try and negotiate all they want. Please want to come home for 2.5 million. Please?
by Canuckelhead on Jun 29, 2011 8:08 PM PDT up reply actions
There it is, right?
If he wants to come home, he can tell Bowman Sr and Jr to politely go eff themselves…
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That would be so good
On several levels.
by Canuckelhead on Jun 29, 2011 8:45 PM PDT up reply actions
TSNBobMcKenzie:
Regarding Parise to Canucks: fantasy. Someone’s over-active imagination. Don’t believe they’re even talking at this pt.
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He's pretty awesome
To indirectly respond to his fake twitter account. I like Big Mc more and more every day
by Canuckelhead on Jun 29, 2011 8:26 PM PDT up reply actions
No I think he was responding to CKNW
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by Sean Zandberg on Jun 29, 2011 8:27 PM PDT up reply actions
referring
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by Sean Zandberg on Jun 29, 2011 8:28 PM PDT up reply actions
I’ve always liked Bob. Definitely my fave insider/analyst
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by Sean Zandberg on Jun 29, 2011 8:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah
Especially since he’s not afraid to lay the smackdown on crazy ass journalists (cough Tony Gallagher cough)
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A national guy
Doesn’t really need to lay the smack down on a local guy. It was more of a slap with a chuckle followed by a stare down to put him in his place.
by Canuckelhead on Jun 29, 2011 8:48 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Bob McKenzie:
BUF GM Darcy Regier will talk to Christian Ehrhoff via phone in a.m. Just my opinion, but I think there could be a real good fit there.
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Wouldn't mind...
..Ehrhoff staying in the East. He’s asking for more than we want to pay, but he’s a threat back there.
Flying that Nerd Flag high!
potential lols: We make it to the finals again… and then Buffalo makes it to the finals as our opponents.
lol-riffic, only because you know Ehrhoff’s going to be a black hole in their D.
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by Vancouverguy on Jun 30, 2011 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions
The main reason i think Parisw trade was bogus
Is because wouldn’t trade the cupboard away like tht when there’s still a chance they can get Parise for free.
Especially
since our cupboard is pretty bare. We have to be in the bottom third in the league when it comes to prospects. Again. Sigh.
by Canuckelhead on Jun 29, 2011 8:33 PM PDT up reply actions
RealKyper
Wonder if #Sabres will match #Isles offer of 6 yrs close to 33M for Ehrhoff’s service. Mr Terrence M. Pegula, welcome to the #NHL
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Let the vulture circling begin
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Bob McKenzie
NHLPA files official grievance over what it believes was improper filing of qualifying offers by NSH to 7 restricted free agents.
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I don't remember what happens
When Chicago did it what was the penalty?
by Canuckelhead on Jun 29, 2011 8:43 PM PDT up reply actions
They become FA
instead of restricted. The Hawk guys wanted to stay “of course”, but the one act there panicked them into signing them to “above market” deals.
In other words, the worst the team could get in arb with their RFAs is a one year deal. The money is usually pretty fair.
If I remember correctly, the Hawks only did three. The Preds, if they did it wrong, seven!?
I want Ward. Or Spaling. I feel bad for them though. They just, at the minimum, cost themselves millions.
For a team that does not spend to the Cap…whoof.
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Thanks
Yeah that’s a pretty big screw up. I can’t even think how that could happen in this day and age. Don’t you have an alarm on your phone that goes off warning you? ;).
I go back and forth wanting and not wanting Ward mostly thanks to people on here telling me why we don’t want him.
by Canuckelhead on Jun 29, 2011 8:54 PM PDT up reply actions
He’s not part of the grievance it looks like…
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I rec’d that shit.
No
Can’t remember. I know he is looking for a new deal and they ahve to try to “afford” him. Thats good for us spend to the cap teams
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I'll say the reasons for not overspending on him
Are pretty strong. Regardless of how he looked against the Canucks in the playoffs.
by Canuckelhead on Jun 29, 2011 9:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Who knows
But if the Laich contract is any gauge too much
by Canuckelhead on Jun 29, 2011 9:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Bergenheim is no Laich tho
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by Sean Zandberg on Jun 29, 2011 10:31 PM PDT up reply actions
No, I agree
But 2.4 to 6.5 million is one hell of a raise for a 28 year old guy who probably peaked at 25 goals and 59 points and that’s not even on the open market. It makes you shudder to think what the thin group of free agents will be getting in a few days.
by Canuckelhead on Jun 29, 2011 10:54 PM PDT up reply actions
True.
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by Sean Zandberg on Jun 29, 2011 10:55 PM PDT up reply actions
I think you mean $4.5 million
cause $6.5 would REALLY scare me.
And yeah, you’re right, but keep in mind just how much the cap has increased since the lockout – from $39 million to $63 in 6 seasons, a 60% increase. It would make sense then that player contracts increase by about the same amount over that time, which is why >$2M contracts for third-liners and >$5M contracts for good defensemen are becoming commonplace. And in 5-6 years, assuming no major changes in the next CBA (which I doubt), those numbers could be paltry compared to what they’re getting paid then.
he was pretty pissed when Gillis one it
And I hope Gillis is not done pissing him off.
Alberts and Lapierre on re-signing
"I didn’t even think about July 1," Alberts said Wednesday after his deal was announced. "I’ve been here for a year and a half and it’s been, by far, the best team I’ve been on, the best organization, the best coaches I’ve had thus far, teammates and everything. I always wanted to come back to Vancouver."
Read more: http://www.vancouversun.com/business/Andrew+Alberts+always+wanted+come+back+signs+year+deal+with+Canucks/5025792/story.html#ixzz1QjQ2BT1x
"I had a great experience with the Canucks and they gave me a real second chance," said Lapierre, who also played for the Canadiens and Ducks last season. "I’m really, really happy to be back. This is a great team, a great organization and we came close to winning the Stanley Cup last year. Now we’re focusing to try and win it next year. We know we have the team and we can do it."
Read more: http://www.vancouversun.com/business/Andrew+Alberts+always+wanted+come+back+signs+year+deal+with+Canucks/5025792/story.html#ixzz1QjRNoC2q
That’s beautiful stuff right there!
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by Sean Zandberg on Jun 29, 2011 10:32 PM PDT up reply actions
devils of the west
back when the devils were actually contenders.
I'm really hoping
Gillis locks up Torres and / or Higgins in the next 36 hours
I'm preparing myself
for mostly an uneventful July 1st. I want it to be bat shit crazy like last year but I don’t want Gillis to make a move just for the sake of making one. It has to make sense and if he doesn’t see anything worth signing in the free agent pool then why not just let wisdom come to you, go via the trade route or something. Either way, he has the next 3 months to get his roster on lock.
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brutal! but i feel your pain
i’m working 11:00 – 5:00 so i shall be checking Twitter like crazy to see if anything has gone down.
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