Canucks Trade Christian Ehrhoff's Negotiation Rights To Islanders
by Sean Zandberg on Jun 28, 2011 6:45 PM PDT
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PrintNegotiations between the Canucks-Ehrhoff camp stalled and ended today. We don't yet know what Mike Gillis and Co was offering Ehrhoff, but the dollar value was believed to be close to Kevin Bieksa's. We'll know more soon enough. In the meantime, the Mad German is going to command a lot of money on the free agent market and probably has a lot of choices in places to play.
The Canucks get a 4th round choice in the 2012 Entry Draft in return. Adiose Ehrhoff, and thanks for everything. I'll write up a eulogy soon.
(YC was writing something on fair Christian at the same time...it's after the jump)
With tonight's news that Christian Ehrhoff (and, one last time, his fine set of lips) will be relocating to Long Island for a little bit, MG's summer priorities just became crystal: he needs a top four defenseman along with a top six LW. Since the Canucks are routinely vexed by defensive injuries, it's a safe bet that finding Edler a new partner is on top of the list.
During Ehrhoff's brief time in Vancouver, the good times often looked like this. Ehrhoff, just like in San Jose, was a bright light when surrounded by some big guns. Especially on the man advantage (and when the shot wasn't wildly off target) he's one of the best in the business at making his chances count. Other times his play looked like this: he'd cheat on assignments or blow his positioning at the worst possible time. No one ever questioned his talent, but he was nevertheless a soft defenseman who played a style that produced some errors which were frequently exposed in the playoffs. Replacing a combined 94 points in two seasons won't be easy - if not flatly impossible - but if it makes the defense more responsible, saves us from cap hell and flips the PP QB duties over to Edler (Edler's shooting percentage was 6.6% this year to Ehrhoff's 6.7%), then not much more could have been expected. We got Ehrhoff for literally nothing and get a pick out of it on the way out. On his end he nearly won a Cup and cashed out (chances are I'd do the same), so best of luck to him wherever he lands.
Getting Salo to sign for cheap is important, but betting on his health is a fool's game. Gillis expressed faith in Ballard as a possible avenue to replace Ehrhoff, but we've been down that road before the AV spike strip sent the bus exploding down the hill. Though increasing Ballard's minutes would explain the Steve Montador rumors we've started hearing. Viewing the possible UFA replacements who are similar to Ehrhoff, the only one that jumps out cleanly is Kaberle but if AV hates Ballard for inconsistent play, I'm fairly certain he'd go all kalima on Kaberle. There's also guys like Ian White or James Wisniewski but like Kaberle they'll be costly if they hit UFA. Or he can wait a few days for the UFA bedlam to pass and begin working the phones, finally moving some roster players or a prospect for a crucial piece of the 2012 campaign.
What say you?
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There’s gotta be a rule against that
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by Sean Zandberg on Jun 28, 2011 10:37 PM PDT up reply actions
I don’t think it would happen to Ehrhoff but I was thinking that it would really suck if a player turned down a reasonable offer looking for more money and then never got offered what they wanted
A very unusual situation. I can’t remember it happening before…but my brain cells are fried
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by Sean Zandberg on Jun 28, 2011 11:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Hopefully he stays in the East
definitely don’t want Detroit picking him up. I could see the Isle’s showing him the money. They have tonnes of cap space and need to spend big just to get to the basement.
Too bad we couldn’t get a third for him but better a 4th than nothing.
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by cyclone's ghost on Jun 28, 2011 6:11 PM PDT reply actions
also
now AV has no choice (I hope) but to give Ballard a decent role with the team. He is way too good a defenceman to get chucked in the bin the way he was this past season.
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by cyclone's ghost on Jun 28, 2011 6:14 PM PDT up reply actions
I gotta say
If they weren’t going to work out a deal with him, I am extremely happy they managed to get a pick for his rights. Basically a pick for free.
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
I will bet right now that the 4th round pick – even if we move it along the way – will play more games than Patrick White.
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by Yankee Canuck on Jun 28, 2011 6:44 PM PDT up reply actions
so would I
he had 10 points in his final year of college after 17 the year before. Kid won’t even make the AHL at this point
Another good move by Gilles
I like Ehrhoff (for the most part) but he definitely isn’t worth more than Juice or Hammer. Way more important to keep them and make sure we get Edler signed long term. Ehrhoff can be replaced.
HALLELUJAH!
No one should have a -13 in a playoff run where you were 1 win away from the Cup.
So close and yet so far. The story of my sports fandom.
!!!!!!!
he was a minus-13?!?!?!? I had no idea.
That makes me feel much better about ditching Hoff.
You better believe it
Boston: -7
San Jose: 1
Nashville: -3
Chicago: -4
So close and yet so far. The story of my sports fandom.
wow
is that ever bad. To be fair, Hank was 11 and Dank -9, but I would be inclined to think it’s more Ehrhoff making the Sedins’ +/ bad than vice-versa.
Pffft
Was anybody a plus in the Final?
I'll do it tomorrow, that seems like a pretty good idea to me
What's wrong with tomorrow, I'm watching him but who's watching me?
Probably line 3 only, Smo. BTW, Ehrhoff’s shoulder was fukt in the Boston series and he played accordingly. Let’s not forget that.
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by Sean Zandberg on Jun 28, 2011 10:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Yep
But it wasn’t fukt in the earlier ones…
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
I've added my take and a poll if you want to refresh
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Ian White please
"I prematurely shot my wad on what was supposed to be a dry run, if you will, so now I'm afraid i have something of a mess on my hands."
"There's just so many poorly chosen words in that sentence."
I'd prefer Wisnewski
but i’ll take White too. Landing either one for a reasonable price would make me a happy camper
Wiz
Is probably going to fetch 4.5 M as well
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
$4.5 mill isn't too bad
I would’ve taken Ehrhoff for that, I think I’d be ok with Wisnewski for that price too.
Wait
If you guys had a problem with Erhoff’s D, Wiz is a bit of a mess also…or at least he was with us. Much better in MTL, but a lot of times would see him standing a few feet away from his man staring up at the rafters.
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I was just listing names that jumped off the page to my eye. I don’t think any will show up here. I don’t know much about any of their styles other than White because I’ve seen SJS play quite a few times.
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by Yankee Canuck on Jun 28, 2011 8:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Gotcha
we had high hopes for Wiz…he looked great for like the first 10 games…then, the wheels came off as he had to be more defensive (as our injuries mounted). We’ll always have the “Avery Gesture” (My avatar…I should probably change that)
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Thanks for the insight Keith.
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by Sean Zandberg on Jun 28, 2011 10:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Really white?
We Turned the puck over an awful lot in conference finals.
so did Ehrhoff
White can run a PP and is probably comparable or better than Ehrhoff defensively, and would certainly come in at less than what Ehrhoff is asking for. I’d be happy to have White at anything less than $3.5 mill.
Go back to the well that got us Ehrhoff?
No. San Jose players have no idea what to do when they get to the big stage.
So close and yet so far. The story of my sports fandom.
Dude no
That’s an absurd thing to say. Even if we accept your premise that Sharks players are all chokers (which is a joke to begin with), White was a deadline acquisition by the Sharks and played 40-some-odd games for them total. Explain to me how exactly that makes him a choker then? Did he get bitten by Joe Thornton in his sleep and will now be a choker for the rest of his life?
He's infected!!!!
Remember to shoot them in the head!!!
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I rec’d that shit.
That goal with 5 seconds left
Against the Kings is my Ehrhoff highlight of the year I think
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdyp0DJPReE
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
by Semi_Colon on Jun 28, 2011 7:04 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Was going to post that…fond memories. And it was the game we clinched the President’s Trophy. Farewell Hoff.
"He does things for the right reasons...He doesn't do it for the photo op. He's everything that's good about hockey." -San Jose GM Doug Wilson, about Manny
"He could have played with a cigarette in his mouth" -Bieksa, on the rookie Tanev playing in the SCF
Another great Hoff moment…..flipping on the turbo-rage against Stalberg.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zc16gGvJrQw&feature=related
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"He could have played with a cigarette in his mouth" -Bieksa, on the rookie Tanev playing in the SCF
by raincity on Jun 28, 2011 7:48 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
From the CBC comments section
“Tough loss, he was a solid defenceman with the odd dangle thrown in, good point shot, good instincts. Damn, lets hope they don’t lose many more of this calibre.. I know they signed Bieksa, but Ehroff has a bright future.”
So close and yet so far. The story of my sports fandom.
I had a user on twitter tell me he was unfollowing me because I didn’t share his hurt for Ehrhoff leaving. I suspect somewhere he’s writing really shitty poetry with black ink on black paper in the dark listening to Coldplay. I wish him well too.
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by Yankee Canuck on Jun 28, 2011 7:22 PM PDT up reply actions
But
What does he think of Ehrhoff’s lips?
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
Also
You’ve got to love people telling you that they’re unfollowing you
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
Between hate mail and now this I feel like we’ve really made it!
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by Yankee Canuck on Jun 28, 2011 7:29 PM PDT up reply actions
I like how all the facebook comments are negative, and one guy saying it was too bad Gillis “didn’t adopt this policy before they signed Olongo. Must be an ethnic thing”
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
Wow.
I just… wow. That really is an awesome comment. Still, better than 90% of Yahoo’s comment boards!
Flying that Nerd Flag high!
More comments from my unfollower friend
The West has improved. The Canucks have gone backwards. Not likely they’ll make that “expected” trip back to the Finals.
I’m fucking choked.
it just shows how fickle this entire fucking “fanbase” is. just a bunch of armchair GMs.
Truthfully I’m surprised this mensa candidate lasted as long as he did following my typical comments.
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by Yankee Canuck on Jun 28, 2011 7:48 PM PDT up reply actions
hahahahaha
I bet he cried his heart out when we let Anson Carter and Taylor Pyatt walk
He does realize
That the offseason hasn’t even started yet, and this is not the final team, right?
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
NO YOU FUCKING FICKLE ARMCHAIR FACIST!
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by Yankee Canuck on Jun 28, 2011 8:04 PM PDT up reply actions
If we were playing Scattergories
You’d get triple points for that
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
Also
Isn’t being an armchair GM part of being a fan? Fairly certain that’s a given no matter the team sport.
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by Yankee Canuck on Jun 28, 2011 8:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Nope
New fan code: you can never question anyone or anything, and never think about what the team needs because the GMs are infallible.
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
maybe he meant
“Olonga”, as in Henry Olonga, a talented, principled and very, VERY brave sportsman.. unfortunately he plays Cricket rather than Hockey but you can’t have everything..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Olonga
enough of the niceties: time for the eye-gouging..
by mightymike D on Jun 29, 2011 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Today’s generation – with facebook and twitter, the only popularity they know is to follow / like or unfollow and they think that gives them some kinda power. woohoo! doesn’t it just feel so damn good!
ha! :)
GO SHARKS!
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Bet it makes you feel so old though
Eh Angy? These damn kids and their bookface
;)
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
The only thing I have liked on facebook is types of liquor.
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I rec’d that shit.
by Steven Hida on Jun 28, 2011 8:57 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
lol I don’t “like” much on fb and all those stupid “please re-post if you know someone who …” messages drive me CRAZY I refuse to re-post any of them
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by Sean Zandberg on Jun 28, 2011 10:45 PM PDT up reply actions
97% of people...
Won’t repost this….
Always 97%…
Drives me bananas. Like the people who are copying and pasting it to edit for the current awareness-du-jour (is it ingrown toenails this week?) can’t be bothered to change that.
"I'll play on one leg, I don't care..."
lmfao
that and:
“I’m pretty sure I know the ones that will”
like I am somehow supposed to feel guilty because I won’t change my fb status? As though changing my fb status for an hour (the usual timeframe on these useless messages) is going to make a difference? The people I know with diabetes/cancer or whatever today’s message is know that I care and that is what is important to me :) My 88yr old grandma has had cancer 5 separate times – different types each time and thankfully all caught early and removed with no further spreading – and she knows we would do whatever she needs anytime without me needing to put a status on my fb every hour :)
Kids these days!
With their their hula-hoops, and their rumble seats, and their Dan Fogelberg! Pah!
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tough loss indeed
even though i only wanted him around 4.3. 4.6 is okay too.
the bad news is that we lose one of the better offensive D-man in the league. one who is great on the powerplay and can rush up ice.
the good news is we have guys who can step in, and potentially play better defense!
we now have ice time for the baby canucks—i cannot emphasize the importance of giving minutes to the young guns. tanev has good vision, it would appear. connaughton is probably another year away, but he’s a powerplay specialist. if lee sweatt stays, he’s got a rocket of a shot too.
i’m sure we’ll miss erhoff at some point in the season, but i hope we use the cap space we saved on him wisely.
I think Ballard will become one of the better offensive D-men in the league
So close and yet so far. The story of my sports fandom.
by SSreporters on Jun 28, 2011 7:19 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
That is an interesting prediction
Based on his age and what he’s done so far. Here’s hoping your right but the better offensive dmen in the league are rarely 7th on the coaches depth chart
by Canuckelhead on Jun 28, 2011 11:18 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I detected sarcasm and so I rec’d it
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by Sean Zandberg on Jun 28, 2011 11:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Haha
IT was more tongue in cheek than sarcasm
by Canuckelhead on Jun 29, 2011 9:49 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Keith Ballard may yet surprise
I have my hopes for him for next season:
2005-06 Phoenix Coyotes NHL 82 8 31 39 99 -18 — — — — —
2006-07 Phoenix Coyotes NHL 69 5 22 27 59 -7 — — — — —
2007-08 Phoenix Coyotes NHL 82 6 15 21 85 7 — — — — —
2008-09 Florida Panthers NHL 82 6 28 34 72 14 — — — — —
2009-10 Florida Panthers NHL 82 8 20 28 88 -7 — — — — —
2010-11 Vancouver Canucks NHL 65 2 5 7 53 10 10 0 0 0
Despite his odd miscue, he was still a plus player, had some bright moments on the PK, and was good for a highlight reel hipcheck every 3 games he played.
I’m sure in his exit interview, the coaching staff gave him things to work on this offseason. Given from his quotes through an admittedly tough season, he is a team guy who wants to do his best to help the team in that framework. I have every confidence he will give Van between 30 and 40 points from the blueline next year.
I hope so
But getting out of a coaches doghouse is pretty tough. Especially since he had such a short leash to put you in there. How many mistakes before he ends up behind Rome and NHL level dmen are going to make mistakes.
by Canuckelhead on Jun 29, 2011 9:47 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I like that he’s a team guy. He never once came out and complained about playing time, or being benched. At least, not in public. If he goes back to playing like he normally does, that’s good for about 25-30 points, on pretty crappy teams, maybe we can expect him to put up 30-35? That’s good enough in my books.
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by Vancouverguy on Jun 29, 2011 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions
DogHouse Removal
I think in light of Ehrhoff moving on, Ballard is going to be given every opportunity to succeed. Who knows what the staff were trying to get him to do last year? Because of last year’s depth, I would hazard a guess they were more than likely wanting him as a 5 / 6 to be responsible in his end – and not do the E2E dash resulting in a turnover in the Neutral zone. Now that Ehrhoff has flown, that role may need to be revisited. I think if Vancouver can resign Salo to play his right side, that Ballard would be placed in a better position to be successful.
Hamhuis – Bieksa
Edler – ????
Ballard – Salo
Rome
I would prefer that the team spend some of the $ earmarked for Ehrhoff on mid-level D who can play a 5 / 6 / 7 role to ensure depth at the position.
I have heard and seen posted the following names who have some good upside, could play that right side and could fit into the Canucks salary structure.
Steve Montador
Jonathan Ericsson
Brent Sopel
Then take the rest of the $ and try to sign the top-6 winger the team is looking for.
easier said than done, I realize, but I think we can find someone to fill the need of a 4, 5, 6 on the open market.
Detroit seems to HATE Ericsson. He’s a turnover fiend, which worries the heck out of me.
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by Vancouverguy on Jun 29, 2011 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions
I honestly think Chuck
the same thing. I said it on another thread I think. An ex defenseman like AV knows that having one “gambler” on a 6 man unit is just fine.
Ballard will be given the chance to be that guy. You have to think a bunch of smart guys like GMMG and AGMLG et al would have made contingency plans up the ying yang, and that more than one said put Ballard in that position that Hoff holds next year.
I like Montador. Who knows? He supposedly has had a couple occasions where he enquired here. You would think his agent would know if there is some interest ( you would think MG would want a guy like that coming home ) in Vancouver, and even if the Hawks knock his socks off, this is finally his chance to just wait a couple days to see if he can make that long time dream come true.
Plus, it would piss the Hawks off, give the UC someone else to boo.
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The first thing I did when I read this thread was ctrl-f “Stralman”. Didn’t expect all 58 occurrences to be in one word. Nice.
Stralman essentially is a right-handed Christian Ehrhoff at age 24. Other than Brad Richards, there’s no closer fit to replace the guy’s powerplay role in FA. Plus he should be cheap. No doubter in my mind.
by RobsonStreet on Jun 29, 2011 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions
I’m at the point where I’ll actually be upset if it doesn’t. It just seems so painfully obvious.
by Passive Voice on Jun 29, 2011 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions
No need.
I just don’t think there’s a pressing need for his replacement. Ballard will adjust to AV’s coaching style and step into place, especially if left with Tanev. As for the rest of the defence, Edler, Salo, and Bieksa all have good offensive instincts and can jump into the play (an integral part of the system we use). I think we have enough players that can step in, even if it’s just for some intermittent seasoning during the first 80 games (hello, Sauve!) to mean we’ll do just fine.
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Agreed - but where's Salo
If you ask me though we still don’t have Salo in the pocket yet – we all assume he’s back but it would make me feel much much much better if Salo is signed before July 1 – preferably sooooooooooooooooooooooooonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnerrrrrrrrrrrr than that.
by nucklinBadger on Jun 28, 2011 7:35 PM PDT up reply actions
True enough. I’m assuming he takes $2 million – it’s an amount I’d be comfortable giving him, and he feels okay with taking. If he thinks he’s worth three, well, then we look around at the pool.
Flying that Nerd Flag high!
I don't want Salo at anything more than $2M
to be honest. I love the guy but he’s slowed down the past year or two and his lack of speed was really exposed in this year’s playoffs. His shot and good instincts make him worth $2 mill but anything more and I don’t think he’s worth keeping when an adequate replacement could be found for that price or less.
But I think he’ll re-sign at a shade under $2 mill so it shouldn’t be an issue.
I think Ballard will surprise a lot of people this year. Remember how GOD-AWFUL Andrew Alberts was as a trade deadline pick-up two years ago. But last year played so much better. Ballard now goes into training camp with a job to lose and knows the system and can gain AV’s confidence from the get-go.
That Henrik is a classy man:
"He does things for the right reasons...He doesn't do it for the photo op. He's everything that's good about hockey." -San Jose GM Doug Wilson, about Manny
"He could have played with a cigarette in his mouth" -Bieksa, on the rookie Tanev playing in the SCF
by raincity on Jun 28, 2011 8:13 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Heh
Hopping between floors to ensure no officer was missed, Henrik shook the hand of a burly man in full police gear, a Terminator looking officer giving off an aura of Don’t mess with me, who was so thrilled he looked like a teenager at a Miley Cyrus concert as he exclaimed: "I’m never going to wash that hand again."
"He does things for the right reasons...He doesn't do it for the photo op. He's everything that's good about hockey." -San Jose GM Doug Wilson, about Manny
"He could have played with a cigarette in his mouth" -Bieksa, on the rookie Tanev playing in the SCF
So he met Shea Weber again?
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by Sean Zandberg on Jun 28, 2011 10:48 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
The Sedins are awesome.
There really is no other way to put it.
Clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose.
BTW
How spot on was Fear The Fin’s take on Ehrhoff deal a few years ago?
http://www.nucksmisconduct.com/2009/8/29/1007385/a-brief-look-at-ehrhoff-lukowich
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heh
I like the comments from the SJ fans there about “taking them off our hands”. Ehrhoff is definitely not a “please for the love of god get him out of here” kind of guy.
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
Spot on, for sure. He’s still that guy…you take the good with the bad.
"He does things for the right reasons...He doesn't do it for the photo op. He's everything that's good about hockey." -San Jose GM Doug Wilson, about Manny
"He could have played with a cigarette in his mouth" -Bieksa, on the rookie Tanev playing in the SCF
exactly…or you take all the good, ignore the bad and start crying on twitter. that is also an option.
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by Yankee Canuck on Jun 28, 2011 8:29 PM PDT up reply actions
I also don't see how he's "undervalued"
Like I saw you having a discussion about. If he is paid 5-6M I’d say he’s overvalued. People also need to take into account that he’s playing on the most offensive (in both meanings now) team in the league, and a lot of the time with 2 Art Ross winners. That’s going to help your stats
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That’s Tom Awad using GVT as the baseline. I admitted I have to read up on it, but he has a point…he also seemed to come back to my original point of Bieksa being worth the $ he signed for…
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by Yankee Canuck on Jun 28, 2011 9:02 PM PDT up reply actions
The last memorable thing he did as a Shark was knock Teemu’s cross ice pass into the net…
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I rec’d that shit.
Heh Boyle had a high tip in the slot for the Ducks in that game too :P
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I rec’d that shit.
Had a pretty swell
Olympics
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By the way,
If you haven’t seen the latest Bloge Salming/DGB video, watch it now
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
Montador?
Haven’t seen much of him, but a responsible right shot from Vancity sounds good. How much coin will he command?
He still gets caught out of position looking for the big hit now and again, mind.
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Uhhh so is his mobility similar to Alberts? I had the impression he was a higher grade D man than the Alberts/Rome variety.
I am on the Montador wagon. Oh yes.
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by Sean Zandberg on Jun 28, 2011 10:49 PM PDT up reply actions
And the Canucks have seriously inquired about him in the past. True story
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by Sean Zandberg on Jun 28, 2011 10:50 PM PDT up reply actions
3 years
6 mil?
a slight upgrade on alberts.
but what we really want is to trade for a 2nd line winger. somehow. i don’t like anybody on the open market, but MG has to do something because the whole premise of letting erhoff go is so we have room for a winger—at least in my mind.
I’d be okay with a Montador pickup, he coughs up the puck a bit more than I’d like, but he’d be a decent #4-6 guy.
but what we really want is to trade for a 2nd line winger. somehow. i don’t like anybody on the open market, but MG has to do something because the whole premise of letting erhoff go is so we have room for a winger—at least in my mind.
I should clarify – this is what I was saying “Correct” to.
I do not really understand what Montador gives us over anyone we have. Although I’m certainly open to being convinced otherwise.
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He was making
3.1M/yr before. I feel it would take more than 2M/yr to get him to come here
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3.1M for 2 years
So 1.55M/yr. You may be right about needing more than 2M with how this UFA class is shaping up though.
Work hard, play harder, rest easy.
yeah you're right
I misread his salary. Whoops. Yeah in that case I could see him for around 2M-2.25
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Ballard?
After he is traded back to Florida?
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
Something about that
Sounds wrong
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
He is an upgrade...
…But I don’t look to Alberts to contribute points any way. I want a net-clearer: our best was Alberts, then Salo. Neither is signed yet.
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Curiously
Vancouver has lost three big defensemen three years straight: Ohlund, Mitchell and now Ehrhoff.
Rosterbate: which one would you like back the most?
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Ohlund…I laugh when he hits people…
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like so?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZNSuPdilus
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by Yankee Canuck on Jun 28, 2011 9:09 PM PDT up reply actions
wonderful..
I love how he thinks he has room to get through and then just dies.
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Mitchell
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
Mitchell. Hands down
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by Sean Zandberg on Jun 28, 2011 10:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Mitchell...
…But only because of our current needs. If I were building a team, Ohlund.
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I saw a comment on puck daddy and it made me laugh
Let’s be real here, Vancouver is the next Chicago Blackhawks, and may not even make the playoffs next year because their cap space is going to bust.
BAHAHAHAHAHA
….breathe…..
BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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I saw a comment on puck daddy
There’s the problem right there…
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by Steven Hida on Jun 28, 2011 9:14 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
That would be the problem on many many sites, not just puck daddy. :)
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I dunno.. I laugh more at other sites…Puck daddy just makes me shake my head…
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I rec’d that shit.
It and youtube
Make me weep for humanity
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
political comment boards crack me up
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me too
always good for a laugh
Palin/Bachmann 2012
you know better than reading the comments
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by Yankee Canuck on Jun 28, 2011 9:16 PM PDT up reply actions
I've actually become a troll...
…on the PD boards. The only comment I leave, after a particularly stupid and/or mean comment, is: “So, you don’t actually watch hockey then?”
Flying that Nerd Flag high!
just be careful..
to scrub thoroughly after you leave… complete idiocy is contagious…
enough of the niceties: time for the eye-gouging..
by mightymike D on Jun 29, 2011 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions
I like it Thursday
a little stealth bombing… I will look for your “sig” on those rare occasions I can steel myself to actually read the comments there. I barely read the PD articles any more!
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A few #Canucks tidbits – the team is pursuing a few “injury prone” wingers. Gagne and…. Fleischmann. Gagne unlikely to leave East, though.
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good god this year’s UFA class sucks balls.
by Passive Voice on Jun 28, 2011 10:04 PM PDT up reply actions
yeah, we sure spoiled ourselves last year by signing Hammer and Manny…..
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bye bye
you gorgeous German….
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I’m blown away that you guys are happy to see this guy go. I really do respect the opinion of many of the writers on here… but on this one I think people are dead wrong.
50 point defencemen are rare, which has already been iterated. — commendable
-His mobility is second to none on the team (D-wise)
-Very strong guy, could be more physical if required.
-Character wise appeared to be fairly solid.
-Played through fall-out of separated shoulder. <
-Rarely doghoused by AV, if ever…. which is huge seeing as other D’s go there often.
No longer can you say this team has defensive depth, offensively Erhoff’s departure means we will probably see a reduction in offensive production/PP production.
Old man Salo will get injured again, and fucking Tanev (will always be soft!) is not the answer we’re looking for when playing a bunch of bullies like Boston.
Maybe its the classic Canuck pessimist in me, but I see next year as a huge disappointment, especially when teams exploit LU, take more liberties with the Sedins, and less penalties are called against the other team because we have three of the most hated players in the league from a referrees perspective (Burrows, Lapierre, and Torres). Every team in the league was watching the playoffs, and damn it we have a huge target on our backs….. the loss of Erhoff contributes to me thinking this way. I guess it remains to be seen what happens UFA wise this summer.
fucking Tanev (will always be soft!) is not the answer we’re looking for when playing a bunch of bullies like Boston.
And Ehrhoff is? You must be kidding. His name and “gritty” don’t belong in the same language much less the same sentence.
Every pro Ehrhoff comment starts and stops with his offense. No one is arguing replacing his production will be next to impossible and losing a top four D man and a PP QB generally means you took a depth hit. I’m not patting him on the back because he played though an injury, they all did.
On the other hand, his liabilities speak for themself and to crucify a guy for the playoffs may not be fair, but it’s also inescapable if you’re asking for what we can guess is a minimum of $5 million a year. Ehrhoff is looking to be in this range and that’s something the team can’t afford aside from the fact I see too many names here I would hate to be anchored too. If Vancouver dropped, for example, six million for six years on him that would make him the highest paid guy on the team (think about that for a second) on top of making the back end about $24 for five guys, leaving $7 million dollars left to find one more regular defenseman on top of a top six winger, a possible Torres replacement and an entire fourth line with enough cap space left over for injuries. That’s financially irresponsible. Gillis offered him a similar deal to Bieksa and Ehrhoff wants the payday (or wants out), that’s life.
As far as the PP, the Sedins and Kesler drove that bus. Ehrhoff had six PPGs to Edler’s five, Ehrhoff had 28 PPP to Edler’s 17, the biggest difference being Edler played in 27 less games. It sucks losing Hoff but it’s not like we’re shit out of luck either. It’s Edler’s time to step up and, assuming he’s healthy, past trends suggest we’ll be fine. I updated that stat chart on the right hand side of the page every week in the regular season and before Edler had back surgery he lead every defensive stat except PK TOI.
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by Yankee Canuck on Jun 29, 2011 2:08 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
This an excellent response.
I also do not understand how we can possibly rip Tanev after what he gave us last year. That simply suggests one is not watching the games.
Clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose.
Would way rather have depth all the way down the lineup
Than have a huge chunk of salary spent on an offensively gifted, but defensively suspect PP specialist.
yes
Erhoff is supposed to be a defensmen first and frankly I would love to see that stat on how many goals were made against Lou as a result of an Erhoff turnover. I bet quite a few
Tanev
was great. Loved the kids discipline. I think that will be a nice addition to a team that can sometimes get a little to personally involved
Let’s hope he can bulk up over the summer.
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by Vancouverguy on Jun 29, 2011 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions
He is not even
finished growing. Its going to be fun when guys that hit him in his rookie season, in next year and the one after, go “WTF…18? Mothorfu…oooof!!!”
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Cup or wallet
Last year he told the German TV during the Olympics that he wants to finish his career in Germany because his daughter should start school at home. She is two now. So it is quite clear he tries to get as much money as possible in his wallet in his last 4 years as a NHL player. In my opinion a tough loss too but that´s business. Regards from Germany.
by el presidente 19 on Jun 29, 2011 9:10 AM PDT up reply actions
Thanks for insider info!
Money seems to be his main goal. Can’t blame a guy for going for the big payday too much
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Closer flight to Germany too. Also makes sense if he sticks around Long Island (but I still think he’s looking at Detroit)
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by Yankee Canuck on Jun 29, 2011 9:28 AM PDT up reply actions
The difference between a flight from New York and Detroit is fairly negligible when you compare it with Vancouver :P
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by Vancouverguy on Jun 29, 2011 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions
Exactly
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by Yankee Canuck on Jun 29, 2011 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions
Actually not really
Going from Van you can fly over the top, so the times to Germany are pretty similar.
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
Okay, not pretty similar, but the difference between NY and Detroit is about the same as Detroit and Van
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
Maybe he doesn't like it on top
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by Yankee Canuck on Jun 29, 2011 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
My job's done...goodnight folks!
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by Yankee Canuck on Jun 29, 2011 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions
*thumbs up*
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
Interesting
always great to hear what is said in other media.
Danke
This is basically the only conclusion I can draw.
It’s Edler’s time to step up
I know every Canucks fan is mad in love with Edler, and there really is a lot to like. But he needs to bring everything up another notch next year.
by Passive Voice on Jun 29, 2011 9:23 AM PDT up reply actions
Agreed
Consistency…it’s the damnedest thing.
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by Yankee Canuck on Jun 29, 2011 9:28 AM PDT up reply actions
Agree
I hope it’s more pre-back injury play as opposed to post-season jeckel and hyde type play
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yeah, that back injury screwed him over this year.
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Let's not forget about Lee Sweatt
He’s drawn comparisons to Brian Rafalski, and he looked pretty good to me during his cup of coffee with the Canucks last season.
Yes he’s undersized, but if you gave him #6 minutes 5-on-5 and wheeled him out as your PP quarterback, you might earn some dividends from his offensive flair.
Except unfortunately the Canucks did forget about offering him a QO
So I think they’ve decided he’s out of the picture.
Clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose.
Well, maybe
Tyler Kennedy was not qualified by Pitt, and they love him. He played plenty in the regular season.
The rumours for him is they will resign him. I don’t understand it either, but lets wait to hear on Lee Sweatt.
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Keith Ballard and a 3rd Round Pick to the Tampa Bay Lightning for Matthias Ohlund!
He won’t replace Ehrhoff. But he’s a better, albeit older, version of Ballard. Looking at key stats, Ohlund edges out Ballard in terms of hits, blocked shots and takeaways, and is equal in terms of assists. He’s played more games, but not enough to account for the higher stats. He’s also half a million dollars cheaper.
But he’s 35 and signed for another 5 years. Which is why Stevie Y might be tempted to deal him (though that’s no guarantee). I believe Ballard is a better fit for the Lightning, where he’d fit in well with blue-liners like Eric Brewer and Brett Clark. Sure, Ohlund was a solid mentor for Victor Hedman, but Hed is coming into his own.
It’s no sure thing that Stevie Y would do this, but if I’m GMMG, I’m exploring the possibility. Part of it stems from the same nostalgia as Ryan Smyth returning to Edmonton. It would be nice to have Ohlund on the Vancouver Canucks when they hoist the 2012 Stanley Cup. But he’d also fit into the Canucks well, having played there. He’d be a more dependable partner for Alexander Edler than Sami Salo (just because of durability), and would be able to be a more stay-at-home presence to cover Edler’s occassional brain-farts.
Re-sign Sami Salo to a discount, and sign Steve Montador in Free Agency.Keep Aarone Rome and Ryan Parent as 7th and 8th depth guys….and the defense, while having lost some offense, is even deeper and grittier than it was this season.
Up front, re-sign Hansen and Oreskovich, and sign Scotty Upshall and Zenon Konopka on the Free Agent market. Boom, once again, the team is deeper and grittier up front. And the beauty of it is, it fits under the cap, with 2 million to spare for a 13th forward (I’d bring back Tambellini) and mid-season call-ups.
Say hello to your 2011-2012 Stanley Cup Champions:
CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR
FORWARDS
Daniel Sedin ($6.100m) / Henrik Sedin ($6.100m) / Alexandre Burrows ($2.000m)
Mason Raymond ($2.550m) / Ryan Kesler ($5.000m) / Scottie Upshall ($3.000m)
Jannik Hansen ($1.825m) / Manny Malhotra ($2.500m) / Mikael Samuelsson ($2.500m)
Maxim Lapierre ($1.000m) / Zenon Konopka ($1.000m) / Victor Oreskovich ($0.775m)
/ Jeff Tambellini ($0.600m)
DEFENSEMEN
Kevin Bieksa ($4.600m) / Dan Hamhuis ($4.500m)
Alexander Edler ($3.250m) / Mattias Ohlund ($3.607m)
Steve Montador ($2.000m) / Sami Salo ($2.000m)
Aaron Rome ($0.750m) / Ryan Parent ($0.925m)
GOALTENDERS
Roberto Luongo ($5.333m) / Cory Schneider ($0.900m)
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $62,815,476; BONUSES: $0
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $1,484,524
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by GelatinousMutantCoconut on Jun 29, 2011 9:25 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Don’t want Ohlund’s post-35 contract, which counts against the cap even if he isn’t playing. DO NOT WAT!
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by Vancouverguy on Jun 29, 2011 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions
He signed the deal before he was 35.
Therefor it doesn’t count as a 35 and over contract. So if he retires or is bought out/sent to the minors, his salary comes off the salary cap.
I could see him retiring if (WHEN!) The Canucks win in 2012. He’ll be 36, and what better way to go out then with a Cup win on your long-time team?
Even if he doesn’t, he should have value for at least a year or two after.
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by GelatinousMutantCoconut on Jun 29, 2011 9:40 AM PDT up reply actions
the contract is definitely a sore point, I admit.
But personally, I prefer Ohlund at 3.6 for 5 years, even at his advanced age, to Ballard at 4.2 over 4. Not that i have anything against Ballard…but he obviously doesn’t fit in well. Maybe he can regain the coach’s confidence, but I’d rather a proven Canuck in Ohlund anyday!
But I’m a sentimental guy!
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by GelatinousMutantCoconut on Jun 29, 2011 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions
I wouldn’t call this a good move. I would just call it a logical move…
Ehrhoff can be replaced rather easily, and I don’t think I would have wanted him back at 4.6 for 5 years even…..
I know the argument is that 50 points is hard to make up, but I beg to differ.
Consider Kevin Bieksa’s 2008-09 season. He got first unit powerplay time and put up 43 points in 72 games played (25 on the powerplay). In 2010-11 he had 19 even strength points. Is it out of the realm to think Bieksa could put up 45-50 points in a full year on the top unit PP? No. Not at all.
Watching the Boston series, I was cursing Ehrhoff for our powerplay woes. In one game we got a powerplay, went on to win the face off, set up for 5-15 seconds then proceeded to pass back to Ehrhoff who couldn’t hold the line on a pass. He was brutal at plays at the line all series long, and I think it really cost us.
I am glad to see him gone, and will not miss his above average offense, and average defensive abilities.
Sorry that should say that in game three, our first three power plays started with Ehrhoff flubbing passes…. One eventually led to Marchand’s shorty (First goal of the series for him.)
Well
We do have to remember that he had an injured shoulder for that series
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Once Samuellson is back injury
He can replace Hoff’s offense on the point of the PP.
Defensively, they are the same. ;)
I’m a fan of the Hoff and I’ll be sad to see him go, but he was asking for too much $ if we are to stuff as much skill in to our lineup as possible to maintain our status as a contender.
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I just don't see him as a solution...
He’s not better than Samuelsson in my opinion. I think we need a legitimate scorer to play with Kesler, who can create something by himself.
Okay my last go at this...
CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR
FORWARDS
Daniel Sedin ($6.100m) / Henrik Sedin ($6.100m) / Alexandre Burrows ($2.000m)
Paul Kariya ($1.200m) / Ryan Kesler ($5.000m) / Simon Gagne ($3.200m)
Jannik Hansen ($1.300m) / Manny Malhotra ($2.500m) / Raffi Torres ($1.500m)
Victor Oreskovich ($0.775m) / Maxim Lapierre ($1.000m) / Mikael Samuelsson ($2.500m)
Jeff Tambellini ($0.550m)
DEFENSEMEN
Kevin Bieksa ($4.600m) / Dan Hamhuis ($4.500m)
Ed Jovanovski ($3.200m) / Alexander Edler ($3.250m)
Jonathan Ericsson ($3.000m) / Sami Salo ($2.500m)
Aaron Rome ($0.750m)
GOALTENDERS
Roberto Luongo ($5.333m) / Cory Schneider ($0.900m)
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $61,758,333; BONUSES: $0
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $2,541,667
Explanations:
Raymond on LTIR……
Ballard sent out for a pick…..
Samuelsson providing depth for injury prone second line… (And a returning Raymond)
Jovo comes home!!!
Ericsson stabilizes the D at a reasonable price… I know he will likely resign with Detroit… But if he doesn’t, one would have to imagine Vancouver would be his next choice.
That second line would get murdered in the playoffs.
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by Yankee Canuck on Jun 29, 2011 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions
I concur. Steve Kariya has what little bit of my heart was left over from the brief Sean Pronger days.
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by Yankee Canuck on Jun 29, 2011 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions
Yep
And only 36! :D
quack… quack… quack… He’ll always be a Mighty Duck in my books!
sorry, folks ...
Too bad about the concussions that figuratively killed his career.
Best of luck, Paul!
Maybe..
But Simon Gagne did have 3 goals against Boston in the SCF.
He’s a good two way player when healthy. If not… You could bring Sammy up, or a healthy Raymond up. I think we just need more depth and skill from our wingers. (No disrespect to Tambellini/Higgins/etc….)
We definitely need a second line LW IMO but I’m not sure Gagne is the answer. I can’t help but see him getting slaughtered in a Western pace style along with all the travel. Durability is bad enough with Salo and Sammy for that matter, I’d hate to see it pop up in another big ticket winger.
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by Yankee Canuck on Jun 29, 2011 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions
This is perfect summation of Erhoff
Ehrhoff is pretty inconsistent, but his skating is good and he has a great shot (albeit very inaccurate – you’ll become very familiar with the call, "Ehrhoff just wide!"). Sometimes he can just turn on the jets and be a fourth forward, and other times you remember why his nickname is "Error." Actually, that tends to be most of the time. He sometimes forgets he’s not a forward and tends to get stuck deep in the offensive zone, so he’s best paired up with a stay-at-home defenseman.
I would add
that his best asset is his ability to move the puck via the aforementioned skating … however, he is not a physical Dman and can be overmatched against larger forwards … if the forward protects the puck well and #5 is his check, he will tend to lose the battle unless he is supported by a roaming forward or his D-partner.
Chapter closed
RT @KatieStrangNYI Talks broke down between #Isles and Christian Ehrhoff; email sent out from #Isles end to other teams
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For $6 million a year on a long-term deal, Christian Ehrhoff would not have transformed the Islanders into a contender – overnight or otherwise. A "consistent contender"? No, not there yet. Still need to get out of 26th and 27th.
For $6 million a year, Christian Ehrhoff – neither a great player, nor a brand name – would not have earned the Islanders the back page of Newsday or more than 300 words anywhere else in New York.
Ehrhoff would not have enticed a single non-diehard to find their way to the polls on Aug. 1 to vote YES in the referendum for a new, $350 million Nassau Veterans Memorial Coliseum. (Here’s the smell test: go up to your firneds who are casual sports fans and say, "Did you hear the Islanders got Christian Ehrhoff"?!?! Watch as they pretend to know who you’re talking about).
The acquisition of Ehrhoff would not result in one star NHL player getting seduced to sign with the Islanders. Not one great player was going to say, "Hey, if the Islanders are good enough for Christian Ehrhoff, they’re good enough for me."
The man some call "Error-hoff" is a top-four defenseman – arguably a No. 2. He would have helped the power play, even as he wondered where the heck the Sedin boys went. He would have made the Islanders better in 2011-12, possibly even good enough to grab the seventh or eighth seeds in the strengthened Eastern Conference. Possibly, but no sure thing.
The Islanders took their best shot. It was a sincere, legitimate maneuver to make the team better. But it could just as easily transitioned into, "Oh-spit-can’t-believe-we’re-payin’-this-guy-this-much" by the end of October. The agent for John Tavares – heck, for anyone capable of posting 50 points – would have used Ehrhoff’s millions as the floor in any negotiation. For all of the wicked thrills of Wednesday night, this signing could have turned into a disaster.
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by Yankee Canuck on Jun 29, 2011 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Any building team that has cap room and wants some great scoring from the point during the regular season should be salivating at the prospect of Ehrhoff, but that is a lot of money for someone with his defensive ability.
a ginger ball hockey player... no wonder I'm a Canucks fan
yup
there was some talk of him coming to CHI.. and anything that means less chance of John Scott seeing the ice is good.. but the money.. well..
enough of the niceties: time for the eye-gouging..
by mightymike D on Jun 29, 2011 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, I don't think you wanted to put yourself back in the same cap situation you just left.
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