It's About That Time Again To Question The Goaltending
If it's anything short of the Stanley Cup (and it always is) Vancouver's goaltending will be called into question. I don't know how many knives will be pointed at Roberto Luongo this summer, but it's not like we haven't seen him called into question before. Ready for some memory lane?
Rewind the tape to Game Five of the Canucks/Ducks in 2007: Rob Niedermayer goes in with a high hit, Luongo is busy trying to get the refs attention and misses the GWG, Ducks win and move on. Luongo said then:
Obviously I made a mistake there and it cost us the game. Right now, everything is surreal. Obviously, I'm disappointed because our season is over. I didn't feel like I deserved the season to be over. I wanted to keep going. I think it's going to hit harder when I wake up in the next day or two and I have nothing to do.
However 2007 were the glory days. Luongo played fantastic that first season and definitely against Turco and Dallas in the first round. We loved his drive. He said all the right things. With such a terrible string of goaltenders before him anyway (Sorry Alex Auld) we could give the guy a pass.
In 2008 Vancouver missed the playoffs for several reasons, but all eyes were back on Luongo. Remember this was the year he raised some eyebrows by skipping the All Star Game, flew back to Florida before a key game against the Wild, fought off "he wants to go back East" rumors and admitted fatigue. Our ever brilliant analysis at the time:
Between March 21 and April 3, 2008, Lui's numbers sunk to Cloutier-esque proportions: 1 win, 6 losses, 3.67 GAA, .874 Save %. Granted they mailed in their final performance against Calgary, but when asked to assess his 3 goals on 8 shot performance, he said "I tried to bring it, but obviously I didn't have anything left in the tank. I don't care, honestly. The season ended Thursday. It doesn't matter whether I started or not, all right?"
OK, he was a little grumpy. Chalk it up to the sophomore slump!
2009 he fought off that groin injury and lead the Canucks to their first ever post season sweep against St. Louis. In the following round Chicago schooled him for 21 goals in five games and with his contract coming up for renewal his obituary then brought up the cost vs benefit discussion:
The winning goaltenders of the Stanley Cup since the last time a "franchise" goaltender — Martin Brodeur in 2003 — backstopped the victorious team have been Khabibulin, Ward, Jean-Sebastien Giguere and Osgood, who has won two Cups already and could make it three this spring. Among the losing finalists’ goalies have been Dwayne Roloson and Ray Emery. The point is, there are plenty of ways to skin a cat in today’s NHL that do not involve tying up $8 million in the goaltending position. And most of the successful teams out there in playoff land have found the way.
That discussion ended quickly with the 12 year, 64-million-dollar deal Gillis stamped before the start of the 2010 season. But that season Luongo would be pulled eight times and had the worst March numbers of his career, stumbling into the playoffs and leading some to "analyze" which goalie would suck worse in the opening round. After Chicago showed Vancouver the door again, the questions then became about the captaincy and flirted with his mental makeup.
That puts us at the beginning of this season. Thanks to Cory Schneider, Luongo could be spelled on a regular basis which helped him finish with his best numbers as a Canuck (.928 SV%, 2.11 GAA). The duo won the Jennings Trophy. But just like the team in front of him, the playoffs introduced some bi-polar results: 17 goals in 7 games in the first round, 9 goals in six games in the second, 13 in five games in the third and finally 20 goals in 7 games against Boston. The guy brought Vancouver within 60 minutes of the Cup and two days later, should he actually read the newspapers, gets to see this:
...But Luongo is framed as the scapegoat and it's deja Lu. More concerning, it doesn't feel like this is ever going to change.
Instead, it feels both consuming and toxic. It's not healthy for the fans, and it can't be healthy for Luongo. He is regularly asked about things like the crowds in Rogers Arena who, it was reported, cheered when he was pulled from games in Boston. His teammates are regularly asked if they've lost faith in him.
Can he go through this year after year, playoffs after playoffs in Vancouver? Can the fans? Can his teammates? Can anyone?
You get the rhythm. September through April we love him and by June we want him jettisoned into a lunar crater. Sunrise, sunset.
This isn't unique to Luongo of course, but of any big ticket athlete in any sport. Some of the hatred towards Luongo (and it is hatred) is understandable. He's been propped up as an elite netminder so often that it would naturally draw criticism. He puts his foot in his mouth as you saw with the above "I don't care honestly" and his tire pumping exchange with Thomas. He exaggerates many of the battles in front of him; some he legitimately gets punished and others he's up for an Emmy in the "I've been shot by a sniper" category. Hell let's admit even the hairstyle is a lightning rod which is saying something for a sport that gave humanity the mullet.
If you go the numbers route, he's a harder goalie to dislike. Next season he'll easily pass Kirk McLean for the most goalie wins in franchise history. If you put aside save percentage variables by era, his career numbers are similar to Brodeur's. He's ranked 12th for most games played dating back to 1987, ahead of Mike Richter, Felix Potvin and other notables. He's tied for the 9th best career playoff SV% dating back to 1918 (take a gander at #1 while you're there). His playoff trends for Vancouver turned in the right direction after three years of going in reverse:
But...there's always a but. For the fourth post season, he imploded in critical games. Some of that is because of the team in front of him (Game Four in Chicago), some is all on him (Game Six in Boston). You do it one season, it sucks. You make a trend out of it and people notice. At this point why would the Bruins, Blackhawks or anyone else ever think they're out of a game with Luongo in net? He can be rattled and, often, he does it on his own.
All of this leads to questions about trading Luongo, especially with Schneider ready to take the next step. It's a fruitless gesture in a sense because of that boat anchor of a contract. I don't know if magicians have awards, but Gillis would be deserving of their hall of fame if he offloaded that contract he constructed which even the NHL head office barely tolerates. Even if somehow he was moved, who's to say Schneider wouldn't fold under the same pressure? Many teams would kill to have "the Luongo problem." Keep in mind it was around this time last year the Bruins were looking at Tuukka Rask to take over for a slumping Thomas. You can never tell, but knowing this team's luck, it's hardly a stretch to imagine Luongo being traded and strolling straight into a Cup with his new team.
This summer is shaping up no different than the rest. Those who hate Luongo fill their arsenal with a few more reasons to chop him down. His defenders have a rebound season, some better numbers and visions of Luongo's Game Five against San Jose to help them weather the storm. Perhaps you're like me and land somewhere in the middle: not his biggest fan - his flopping especially - but far from an enemy. Personally, I've grown accustomed to being confused by him. Especially with that contract, it's a reality I can't fight so better to own it. It's my warm blanket now. As long as his YouTube library of gaffes keeps pace with his highlight reel of jawdropping saves he's earned and will remain the ambiguous case study that he is.
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This summer
will be critical, for the future of this franchise. GMMG can push the team over the top, and make it the overwhelming favorite for the cup next year.
But it will takes some courage to do so. When I say courage, I mean that he will need to look at existing contracts, and decide whether or not they make sense, from a financial standpoint.
This means one thing, amongst others: if the fans thought that Luongo’s performance was over-scrutinized over the past years, they ain’t seen nothing yet. This off-season, Lu will be analized and looked at, like never before. And for good reasons, not the Luongo-hating bullshit.
Luongo is a good goalie. Not a great one, but a good one. If we look at the existing 60 or so goalies in the League, he is above average. The question will be: what can improve this team the most – trading him, and use his cap-hit to add one of two GREAT pieces to this team (while deploying Schneider), or keep Lu and add nothing to the current roster.
It’s a cost-benefit analysis, nothing more. The decision will largely depend on who is available right now. If there is a great player available, but cap space is needed, that could trigger the negotiations with Lu and with any takers. If there is not much available, regardless of how much cap space the Canucks have, then there is no point going through the exercise.
At this point they pretty much know what can be expected from Luongo. They know that Lu can give them a very good regular season performance. This means that teams Like Dallas, or Winnipeg, or any other team whose biggest concern is to make the playoffs, would be happy to take him.
But they also know that he is prone to major break-downs, especially in high-pressure situations, like the playoffs. It happened so many times, that there is no reason to assume that it will not happen again. They also know that it is unlikely that Lu will pull a playoff performance like Thomas, or Giguerre (during his cup run), or Niemi (with Chicago). It could happen, but it is unlikely.
So the question is simple: what will give them the greatest chance to win the cup next year. Luongo, or no Luongo? The Canucks have to look at this objectively. If they do, I am sure that Luongo will work with them, even with his non-trading clause in place.
GMMG can make a great move, and be a genious. But he can also screw up big time, if he trades Luongo for a player that turns out to be a bust (Messier comes to mind).
It remains to be seen, how much courage he has, to shake up this team.
Los Angeles, CA
by AttilaS on Jun 17, 2011 12:41 PM PDT reply actions 3 recs
I always liked Luongo,
even during the worst times. But when he single-handedly lost game 6 last week, I lost my faith in him. And then game seven was the last straw.
His contract is a huge drag on the team, and can determine the faith of this team for many years to tome. The coach and GM has to look at this very carefully.
The concern I have is that the Canucks are making money hand over fist right now, and the team is making the Aquallinies rich even if they do nothing to improve the team. So, complacency is a big issue here. Do they want the Cup, or just a solid cash cow.
Los Angeles, CA
at this point i really don’t think the acquillinis care about money because they know the money will always be there. If vancouver shits the bed for a season gm place will still consistently sell out. They are still going for the cup. When you win a cup theres also HUGE financial benefits that come along with it. Not only for them, but the city as a whole. If they only cared about money and not putting a winning product on the ice they wouldn’t be spending to the cap ceiling every year and have that many contracts on the books.
Officially licensed Canucklehead
I think they care about the Cup. As much as I don’t at all like that Franceso dropped a bunch of F bombs on reporters after the loss, at least it means he cares about it a bit.
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
There’s a reason reporters have such limited access to owners. They do not make good figureheads.
See: Mark Cuban
Win it for Manny!
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What, not a fan of this?
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"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
You're
probably (and hopefully) right. Aquallini seems like a passionate guy who hates losing. I heard that after game, he was in the locker room and dropping F* bombs at some media reps. It may have been a mistake to do that, but I feel for the guy.
Los Angeles, CA
I like the fact that this came out. Makes him more like a regular fan, just with a lot more zeros at the end of his bank balance.
"I think he has to be happy with his career, he did a great job on Long Island. I’m sure he is happy with that." - Henrik Sedin on Mike Millbury
(Dallascanuck, M.D., the real kind, not the Mark Recchi, M.D. kind)
by dallascanuck on Jun 17, 2011 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Hey, I have a lot of zeros at the end of my bank balance. The fact that they’re on the negative side instead of positive means nothing.
by sunshine and lollipops on Jun 17, 2011 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions
You can’t blame Luongo for game 7. The team has to at least put up some goal support to even make a case for that. The team lost game 7 because they couldn’t score.
you mean the series
<3 Boobies!
#WinitWithManny
notafullcolon CS: Well obviously I meant we were snorting blow off hookers at the time of the goal
I completely disagree, Attila, and agree with what marcness said. Isn’t Lou a 5 million cap hit? Works for me! There are a couple of things about Lou:
-Seems to thrive when he knows he has to be the saviour on a weak team (see 2007)
-When he plays on a team with high talent and potential he seems to put “less” onus on himself and more on the guys in front of him. Other times he’s a god.
-They turned him into a butterfly goalie because that all the rave nowadays. He doesn’t look as comfortable with it as Schneider does. That will change. Rollie will continue to work with him, but the transition takes time.
-The butterfly style can be great and all but you really need a solid team D in front of you, which the Canucks failed at mostly in the Finals.
-I can’t believe that Botch article about Lou possibly needing a change of scenery..fuck. How good was he on home ice in the Finals in FRONT of the haters?
-The heat should be more on the top line, who failed against stronger defence. And failed miserably. The Sedins/Burrows are not big enough. Line 2 gets a pass because Kesler was fubar.
-Don’t get me wrong though..the TEAM lost to a better team. But when you have to rely on Line 3 to win games for you 3-4 times in a series because your top 6 is dried up…you’re dead.
-Lou isn’t going anywhere. Gillis can say he wants Schneids for 5-6 years but that is not necessarily going to happen. In fact it’s NOT going to happen. The Canucks will keep Lou and Schneider’s value will continue to rise, making him unaffordable
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by Sean Zandberg on Jun 17, 2011 7:24 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Yeah I agree with all that
Maybe what we actually need is a power forward type to play with the Sedins. Get Burrows back with Kesler
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
Yep! Gotta do it.
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by Sean Zandberg on Jun 17, 2011 7:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Gotta build it like I build my NHL 11 teams
Sniper-Playmaker-PWF!
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
Haha! I don’t even pay that much attention to the details. My lines score anyway!
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by Sean Zandberg on Jun 17, 2011 7:49 PM PDT up reply actions
I love Burrows and Kesler together
I think of them as Batman and Robin.
Daniel Sedin on Mike Milbury: "He made a bad comment about us, calling us women. I don’t know how he looks at women. I would be pretty mad if I was a woman."
by Tink for Nucks on Jun 17, 2011 10:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Starsky
and Hutch.
"Sometimes grown-ups have low self-esteem and get on guys and say stupid stuff. I think he has to be happy with his career. He did a great job on Long Island. I’m sure he is happy with that" - Captain Henrik Sedin, on Mike Milbury and his comments
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jun 17, 2011 10:17 PM PDT up reply actions
...
Thelma and Louise. Oh, wrong pair. (sorry, couldn’t help myself.)
39 years of pain (1971 loss to Habs) vaporized by one OT goal.
Hall
and Oates?
"Over thinking, over analyzing separates the body from the mind."
Dropping F-bombs since the early 70's.
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Kind of a joke but would you take a flyer on Dustin Penner?
"I prematurely shot my wad on what was supposed to be a dry run, if you will, so now I'm afraid i have something of a mess on my hands."
"There's just so many poorly chosen words in that sentence."
BAHAHA
YO ASS MUST BE CRAZY
"Sometimes grown-ups have low self-esteem and get on guys and say stupid stuff. I think he has to be happy with his career. He did a great job on Long Island. I’m sure he is happy with that" - Captain Henrik Sedin, on Mike Milbury and his comments
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jun 17, 2011 9:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Actually
Was thinking along the lines of Scott Hartnell…
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
NO
NO
NO
GET OUT
"Sometimes grown-ups have low self-esteem and get on guys and say stupid stuff. I think he has to be happy with his career. He did a great job on Long Island. I’m sure he is happy with that" - Captain Henrik Sedin, on Mike Milbury and his comments
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jun 17, 2011 9:39 PM PDT up reply actions
hahahahaha
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
Hartnell
is literally the only player in the history of the NHL who falls down more than MayRay.
"Sometimes grown-ups have low self-esteem and get on guys and say stupid stuff. I think he has to be happy with his career. He did a great job on Long Island. I’m sure he is happy with that" - Captain Henrik Sedin, on Mike Milbury and his comments
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jun 17, 2011 9:43 PM PDT up reply actions
So he’d fit in perfectly with the Sedin’s
/HurrDurr
"I prematurely shot my wad on what was supposed to be a dry run, if you will, so now I'm afraid i have something of a mess on my hands."
"There's just so many poorly chosen words in that sentence."
That line would be
pure ginger.
"Sometimes grown-ups have low self-esteem and get on guys and say stupid stuff. I think he has to be happy with his career. He did a great job on Long Island. I’m sure he is happy with that" - Captain Henrik Sedin, on Mike Milbury and his comments
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jun 17, 2011 11:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Tomas Kopecky
Ever hear of the Kopecky hat trick? Lose helmet, whiff on shot, fall down.
39 years of pain (1971 loss to Habs) vaporized by one OT goal.
I'd gladly
take Kop over Hartnell.
"Sometimes grown-ups have low self-esteem and get on guys and say stupid stuff. I think he has to be happy with his career. He did a great job on Long Island. I’m sure he is happy with that" - Captain Henrik Sedin, on Mike Milbury and his comments
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jun 18, 2011 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions
No way
Hartnell has an edge That would be useful. Falls down a lot? Huh??
by Presidents Trophy on Jun 29, 2011 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions
FLAGGED
"Sometimes grown-ups have low self-esteem and get on guys and say stupid stuff. I think he has to be happy with his career. He did a great job on Long Island. I’m sure he is happy with that" - Captain Henrik Sedin, on Mike Milbury and his comments
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jun 17, 2011 9:46 PM PDT up reply actions
a great big fat person, with nice hands. he’s what i’ve always wanted for the sedins.
by Passive Voice on Jun 17, 2011 9:48 PM PDT up reply actions
NO
HE IS A LUSH AND A PYLON
"Sometimes grown-ups have low self-esteem and get on guys and say stupid stuff. I think he has to be happy with his career. He did a great job on Long Island. I’m sure he is happy with that" - Captain Henrik Sedin, on Mike Milbury and his comments
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jun 17, 2011 9:50 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think we need to find even more players CC hates and say we’d love them on the Canucks. This is a fun game.
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
NO
I’LL REPORT YOU TO INTERNAL AFFAIRS.
"Sometimes grown-ups have low self-esteem and get on guys and say stupid stuff. I think he has to be happy with his career. He did a great job on Long Island. I’m sure he is happy with that" - Captain Henrik Sedin, on Mike Milbury and his comments
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jun 17, 2011 9:51 PM PDT up reply actions
PENNER! PENNER! PENNER!
WE WANT PENNER!
WE WANT PENNER!
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by Sean Zandberg on Jun 17, 2011 10:21 PM PDT up reply actions
NO
FUCK PENNER
I’LL TAKE DARRYL FUCKING BOYCE BEFORE I TAKE PENNER.
"Sometimes grown-ups have low self-esteem and get on guys and say stupid stuff. I think he has to be happy with his career. He did a great job on Long Island. I’m sure he is happy with that" - Captain Henrik Sedin, on Mike Milbury and his comments
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jun 17, 2011 10:25 PM PDT up reply actions
PEEEEEEEENNNNNNNNNNNNNNNEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
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by Sean Zandberg on Jun 17, 2011 10:29 PM PDT up reply actions
GIVE ME HEMSKY INSTEAD
I’LL TAKE HEMSKY IN A HEARTBEAT
"Sometimes grown-ups have low self-esteem and get on guys and say stupid stuff. I think he has to be happy with his career. He did a great job on Long Island. I’m sure he is happy with that" - Captain Henrik Sedin, on Mike Milbury and his comments
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jun 17, 2011 10:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh yeah…soften the top line up even more….NO WAY!
DUSTIN!!
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by Sean Zandberg on Jun 17, 2011 10:37 PM PDT up reply actions
ANYONE
OVER PENNER
"Sometimes grown-ups have low self-esteem and get on guys and say stupid stuff. I think he has to be happy with his career. He did a great job on Long Island. I’m sure he is happy with that" - Captain Henrik Sedin, on Mike Milbury and his comments
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jun 17, 2011 10:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah I’m just bugging. I don’t like that pylon either. But we do need a guy who can be a truck with hands.
Hate to say it..but look at what Klatt and especially Carter brought to that line. Unless the Twins chug protein shakes and pump iron they need a cop on their line. Burrows is not a cop. At all.
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by Sean Zandberg on Jun 17, 2011 10:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Where is McSorley when you need him?
Oh right…
"Sometimes grown-ups have low self-esteem and get on guys and say stupid stuff. I think he has to be happy with his career. He did a great job on Long Island. I’m sure he is happy with that" - Captain Henrik Sedin, on Mike Milbury and his comments
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jun 17, 2011 10:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Yep
This exactly. A big fast truck with decent hands to accept those crazy passes
The truck
Has to be hockey smart enough to figure out where those crazy passes are going to put the puck. At this, Burrows is excellent.
Daniel Sedin on Mike Milbury: "He made a bad comment about us, calling us women. I don’t know how he looks at women. I would be pretty mad if I was a woman."
by Tink for Nucks on Jun 18, 2011 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Hey you need a sniper for Kes, I hear Alexei Kovalev might be available :)
"I prematurely shot my wad on what was supposed to be a dry run, if you will, so now I'm afraid i have something of a mess on my hands."
"There's just so many poorly chosen words in that sentence."
NO
KOVI STAY THE FUCK AWAY FROM VANCOUVER
I’LL CHASE YOU OUT WITH A PITCHFORK IF I HAVE TO.
"Sometimes grown-ups have low self-esteem and get on guys and say stupid stuff. I think he has to be happy with his career. He did a great job on Long Island. I’m sure he is happy with that" - Captain Henrik Sedin, on Mike Milbury and his comments
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jun 17, 2011 11:20 PM PDT up reply actions
I would pay to see that
"I prematurely shot my wad on what was supposed to be a dry run, if you will, so now I'm afraid i have something of a mess on my hands."
"There's just so many poorly chosen words in that sentence."
I CHASED THE IRISH OUT OF SPRINGFIELD
I CAN CERTAINLY DO THE SAME TO A LAZY ASS FUCKING MERCENARY RUSSIAN WINGER.
"Sometimes grown-ups have low self-esteem and get on guys and say stupid stuff. I think he has to be happy with his career. He did a great job on Long Island. I’m sure he is happy with that" - Captain Henrik Sedin, on Mike Milbury and his comments
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jun 17, 2011 11:29 PM PDT up reply actions
This guy
Understands the game!
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
Is this pick on you night?
GO SHARKS!
Ever get the feeling we are on a collision course with reality?
"They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security" -- Benjamin Franklin (see profile for more info on this quote)
When
isn’t it?
"Sometimes grown-ups have low self-esteem and get on guys and say stupid stuff. I think he has to be happy with his career. He did a great job on Long Island. I’m sure he is happy with that" - Captain Henrik Sedin, on Mike Milbury and his comments
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jun 17, 2011 11:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Have you ever tried agreeing with them just to confuse them? :)
GO SHARKS!
Ever get the feeling we are on a collision course with reality?
"They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security" -- Benjamin Franklin (see profile for more info on this quote)
never
gotta stick to your guns. Its how those guys at Little Big Horn did it.
"Sometimes grown-ups have low self-esteem and get on guys and say stupid stuff. I think he has to be happy with his career. He did a great job on Long Island. I’m sure he is happy with that" - Captain Henrik Sedin, on Mike Milbury and his comments
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jun 17, 2011 11:26 PM PDT up reply actions
I said “to confuse them” – you don’t have to mean it. :)
GO SHARKS!
Ever get the feeling we are on a collision course with reality?
"They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security" -- Benjamin Franklin (see profile for more info on this quote)
I kind of feel CC is at the Alamo not Little Big Horn here
It doesn't hurt to be optimistic. You can always cry later.
All depends which side he is on
Daniel Sedin on Mike Milbury: "He made a bad comment about us, calling us women. I don’t know how he looks at women. I would be pretty mad if I was a woman."
by Tink for Nucks on Jun 18, 2011 8:14 AM PDT up reply actions
Quick, someone photoshop Penner’s head on to a snake!
"I prematurely shot my wad on what was supposed to be a dry run, if you will, so now I'm afraid i have something of a mess on my hands."
"There's just so many poorly chosen words in that sentence."
FLAGGED
"Sometimes grown-ups have low self-esteem and get on guys and say stupid stuff. I think he has to be happy with his career. He did a great job on Long Island. I’m sure he is happy with that" - Captain Henrik Sedin, on Mike Milbury and his comments
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jun 17, 2011 11:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Or better yet..

Treacherous
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by Sean Zandberg on Jun 18, 2011 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions
You disgrace Manny!
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
Hence the “treacherous” part. I’m just bugging CC
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by Sean Zandberg on Jun 18, 2011 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions
OH GOD
KILL IT NOW
KILL IT WITH FIRE
"Sometimes grown-ups have low self-esteem and get on guys and say stupid stuff. I think he has to be happy with his career. He did a great job on Long Island. I’m sure he is happy with that" - Captain Henrik Sedin, on Mike Milbury and his comments
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jun 18, 2011 10:38 PM PDT up reply actions
heheh!
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by Sean Zandberg on Jun 19, 2011 1:00 AM PDT up reply actions
BRING BLACK CLOUTIER
HURR DURR
<3 Boobies!
#WinitWithManny
notafullcolon CS: Well obviously I meant we were snorting blow off hookers at the time of the goal
NO
GET OUT
"Sometimes grown-ups have low self-esteem and get on guys and say stupid stuff. I think he has to be happy with his career. He did a great job on Long Island. I’m sure he is happy with that" - Captain Henrik Sedin, on Mike Milbury and his comments
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jun 18, 2011 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions
One of the past goalies of the future
Daniel Sedin on Mike Milbury: "He made a bad comment about us, calling us women. I don’t know how he looks at women. I would be pretty mad if I was a woman."
by Tink for Nucks on Jun 18, 2011 10:31 PM PDT up reply actions
ha!
madness
"Sometimes grown-ups have low self-esteem and get on guys and say stupid stuff. I think he has to be happy with his career. He did a great job on Long Island. I’m sure he is happy with that" - Captain Henrik Sedin, on Mike Milbury and his comments
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jun 18, 2011 10:38 PM PDT up reply actions
ahahaha
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
I don't disagree with marchness.
In fact, I agree with both of you.
What I said was that the management needs to raise these questions, and decide what gives them the best chance for the cup. Don’t just accept the status quo, that Lu is untouchable.
I also said that I, personally, lost all confidence in him. It was not a conscious decision to lose this confidence. I had it in the past and don’t have it anymore. But Lu can change that.
Los Angeles, CA
Sean
you are a god
<3 Boobies!
#WinitWithManny
notafullcolon CS: Well obviously I meant we were snorting blow off hookers at the time of the goal
I am not a god.
“Why don’t you pull the trigger and find out?”
heh
It’s ok, Attila, I respect your opinion and I liked how you presented it. I just respectfully disagree.
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by Sean Zandberg on Jun 18, 2011 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions
A little more on my butterfly style comment: the Kurtenbloggers mentioned this:
Kevin Woodley of In Goal Magazine joined KB Radio prior to Game 7 and said this about Luongo:
“[He’s] very much a structured goaltender. Very much a rigid butterfly-style goaltender. When the Canucks are tight defensively and taking away second chances in the middle of the ice, he is among the best. But when there are breakdowns, the difference between him and the athletic and acrobatic Tim Thomas — in terms of their ability to pick up those mistakes for their teammates with the big, timely, athletic diving saves — is that you can’t get a book on Thomas. With Luongo, when someone walks in alone there are two spots: High glove and five-hole. He’s just so rigid in his structure that it’s become easier for teams to target him and break him down.”
I believe that is accurate
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by Sean Zandberg on Jun 18, 2011 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions
yep
That’s what I noticed big time in the finals. The Bruins would go high glove and 5 hole right off the bat, and then if they got a goal, they would switch it up and do the other one – which led to many of the quick breakdowns
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
Hossa beat him high glove
Peverley beat him five hole.
"Sometimes grown-ups have low self-esteem and get on guys and say stupid stuff. I think he has to be happy with his career. He did a great job on Long Island. I’m sure he is happy with that" - Captain Henrik Sedin, on Mike Milbury and his comments
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jun 18, 2011 10:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh, I don't
blame Lu for the game 7 loss. The team, as a whole, was beaten.
But he couldn’t make the big save, when it would have helped.
Los Angeles, CA
We truely are a goaltender graveyard. Embarassing.
A 5.3M cap hit for a dude in his prime that will consistently get you 35+ wins, 2.40 GAA, 0.915 SV% and 5 SO. Playoff stumbles be damned. He got you within a win of the Stanley Cup, in a seven game series where his much vaunted offense scored a measly 8 goals.
Niemi came out of obscurity to get $3.8M, Crawford ditto for $2.7, Halak to get $3.8. What dollar figures will get CS as a UFA next season? Probably in the $3.25-$4M ballpark, if I had to look into my crystal ball. Dude has won everywhere he’s been, is young and has quite the upside.
I sure hope Luongo doesn’t get analized. I wouldn’t wish that on anyone. Well, maybe Marchand and Boychuk.
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by dallascanuck on Jun 17, 2011 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
LOLOLOOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
Officially licensed Canucklehead
I now.
It happened to me two weeks ago, and your butt hurts for a long time after that… ;)
But at least, everything was in good order.
Los Angeles, CA
Trust me, medical professionals hate to do it, just as much as the recipients.
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by dallascanuck on Jun 17, 2011 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions
To each their own...
“This rectal exam is going to be a little different, Mr. Mersch, in that I have no arms and am gay…”
Flying that Nerd Flag high!
this is
hilarious
"Sometimes grown-ups have low self-esteem and get on guys and say stupid stuff. I think he has to be happy with his career. He did a great job on Long Island. I’m sure he is happy with that" - Captain Henrik Sedin, on Mike Milbury and his comments
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jun 17, 2011 11:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Here's this
@angus_j
Jeff Angus
Gillis “we want to have Cory here for five or six more years.”
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
Gillis'
remark is will fuel the Luongo controversy through the roof. It makes no sense to keep Schneids for 6 years, and not make him the #1 goalie.
Los Angeles, CA
Makes alot of sense. I just saw Gillis give a first class sales pitch to all other GMs in the league.
#pumpinthetires
Win it for Manny!
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Well
He did say he was on the phone yesterday morning with another GM discussing “options”…
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
I personally don’t see how that is going to be feasible. CS will not want to be a career backup and always play second fiddle to lou
Officially licensed Canucklehead
Maybe they'll start
Towards a 1A/1B situation? Who knows
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
Home goalie and road goalie? Could’ve worked out well in the finals against the Bruins. I would think rotating CS in as a procedural move would be much better for Lu’s conditioning and confidence, rather than waiting for Lu to get shelled in a game, then putting CS in.
"I think he has to be happy with his career, he did a great job on Long Island. I’m sure he is happy with that." - Henrik Sedin on Mike Millbury
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by dallascanuck on Jun 17, 2011 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, that is what they were doing this year in the regular season. Maybe we’ll see it more in the post season, who knows. But no one has ever rotated goalies in the post season before. That would be pretty uncharted waters. And I don’t count Philly, because they rotate based on shitty performances, not procedure
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
It could work. Giving Lu time off in the playoffs could get him in physical peak every game he starts, that could help his confidence. Hopefully he will see it less as a “we don’t have confidence in you every game” and more as a “we doing everything we can to give you an edge to win games.”
"I think he has to be happy with his career, he did a great job on Long Island. I’m sure he is happy with that." - Henrik Sedin on Mike Millbury
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by dallascanuck on Jun 17, 2011 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Teams have rotated goalies
The wild did it with roloson and someone else I don’t remember. Other teams have done it too, you just don’t remember cause it doesnt work
by Canuckelhead on Jun 18, 2011 8:34 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Well
Just because it hasn’t worked before doesn’t mean it can’t work in the future.
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
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by Section 312 on Jun 20, 2011 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions
Then, you can’t survive in the cap era, unless you want to weaken that forward corp further.
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by Vancouverguy on Jun 17, 2011 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions
well
Boston had Timmy at 5M and Rask at 1.25 backing him up. IF they pulled something like that I wouldn’t see Cory getting too much of a raise
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
Does anybody
believe that Lu’s would agree to have his contract re-negotiated?
If I were Lu, I wouldn’t worry too much about not having enough money for retirement. My main concern would be to re-establish my reputation, even if that means to trash my old contract and get a new, more realistic one.
If he did that, he would get a lot of good-will from managemen, as well as the fan. If he doesn’t, he risks geting run out of town, next time he drops the ball.
Los Angeles, CA
Nope
Unless you buy him out
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
Yes,
you have to buy him out if you want Lu go go away against his will.
But if Lu does it of his own will, it’s a different story.
Los Angeles, CA
Don't think that's allowed
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
A contract
is a legal means to protect both parties from acting against each other’s interest.
However, if both parties act in agreement, you can toss it any time, and agree on a new one. The only criteria the new contract has to meet, is to be in agreement with the current NHL cap rules.
I am talking in general terms, here, not specifically NHL. But legal contracts have the same function in every walk of life.
Los Angeles, CA
I’m actually unsure of NHL contracts can be re-negotiated, because this will be a big loop-hole to circumvent the salary cap.
If he IS willing though, I’m sure the Aqualinis will try to make sure he gets paid no less than he’s getting, while GMMG can help to massage the cap.
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by Vancouverguy on Jun 17, 2011 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't see why not
as long as the cap hit gets smaller. Basically, he would give back money, and there is no law in the world to prevent you from giving money away.
Los Angeles, CA
That would be magical if Lu is willing to give back money to help us lower the cap hit.
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by dallascanuck on Jun 17, 2011 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions
It would be against
the grain, but it would be a jaw-dropping gesture. He could gain a saint’s status overnight:)
Los Angeles, CA
Which a lot of ‘fans’ would forget the next time he posts a loss.
by sunshine and lollipops on Jun 17, 2011 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
The CBA is why not.
Sorry, just reading your thread and wanted to point that out. The CBA prohibits renegotiation of contracts so that’s just not an option.
39 years of pain (1971 loss to Habs) vaporized by one OT goal.
Yeah
That’s what the buyout is for. Of course unless the renegotiation is for less than half of the previous value, there’s no point in buying out.
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
I see what you mean.
So, the team could buy him out for less than the face value of the whole contract, in case both parties agree on the amount?
Los Angeles, CA
Well
It’s more complicated than that. Especially with a front loaded deal like Luongo’s
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
buyout
will mean we pay Luongo for the next 20 years. http://bit.ly/elmQhg
yeah
Lu’s deal really fucks up a buyout because of the huge difference between real dollars and caphit
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
LOLWUT? The buyout cap hit will be 5-6 million in 2019-2022!?!?
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by dallascanuck on Jun 17, 2011 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Well
There’s always the burying-him-in-the-minors route, or the ship his contract off the Europe route the Hawks used to get out of Huet
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
Wasn't saying it was going to
Just saying you could do that if you really really wanted to
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
They wouldn’t do that anyways. They are trying to cultivate an atmosphere opposite of that. If they bury Lou in the minors after he got us to the Finals, then who the hell would want to play here? That would worry me.
by sunshine and lollipops on Jun 17, 2011 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Do we really want to do this to a guy that was good enough to get us to game 7 of the SCF?
I don’t deny that he has looked pedestrian in some games, but he’s still well above average and maybe even marginally elite.
"I think he has to be happy with his career, he did a great job on Long Island. I’m sure he is happy with that." - Henrik Sedin on Mike Millbury
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by dallascanuck on Jun 17, 2011 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't
I was just pointing out all the options for removing a contract beyond trading or buying out
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
I hope I'm not perceived as a troll.
I think Semi’s idea of strategically starting Schneider in road games in the playoffs makes sense. Sure, it’s uncharted waters, but so what? Lu generally plays better at home so focus him on home games in the playoffs. I doubt you’re going to find many takers for his contract so trading him seems unlikely to me.
39 years of pain (1971 loss to Habs) vaporized by one OT goal.
At this point
I’m willing try anything. Luongo can be so Jeckell and Hyde.
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
It's a tough predicament you're in.
If I were a Canuck fan I’d probably be one of the those wanting him gone. But he truly is a talented goalie. Maybe he just needs some time on the couch before big games.
39 years of pain (1971 loss to Habs) vaporized by one OT goal.
If MG is serious about keeping Schneider around for six plus seasons, it opens the door to all kinds of strategery. Let the goalies pick their opponents, never play Luongo in October and March, switch them at 30 minutes in every game.
(I’m not serious, though any one of these would crack me up)
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by Yankee Canuck on Jun 17, 2011 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Play CS
on Tuesdays, Thursdays and alternate Saturdays. Or every weekend and every other Wednesday.
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by Section 312 on Jun 17, 2011 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Come see Ginger Jesus in net on Schneider Sundays!
"I think he has to be happy with his career, he did a great job on Long Island. I’m sure he is happy with that." - Henrik Sedin on Mike Millbury
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by dallascanuck on Jun 17, 2011 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions
We could call them
“The Goaltending Paternity.”
Which is a play on the old line about a goal tending fraternity and the fact that CS would be playing on a divorced parents sharing the kids style schedule.
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by Section 312 on Jun 17, 2011 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Switch them every TV time out. Or after every goal.
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by Yankee Canuck on Jun 17, 2011 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Make them wear the same
equipment and helmet and jersey and we would never know which one was in net.
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by Section 312 on Jun 17, 2011 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions
That would mean Luongo shaves or GJ needs to grow some.
Put me in the camp for the red mane right now.
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by Yankee Canuck on Jun 17, 2011 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh man, if Cory were our starter, we would see so many faux ginger beards in the playoffs. I’d love that.
by sunshine and lollipops on Jun 17, 2011 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Let the players pick the goalie each game. This may be my favorite coachbation yet.
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by Yankee Canuck on Jun 17, 2011 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Rock paper scissors
to see who starts right before puck drop each game. Broadcast it live on PPV.
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by Section 312 on Jun 17, 2011 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Genius.
"I think he has to be happy with his career, he did a great job on Long Island. I’m sure he is happy with that." - Henrik Sedin on Mike Millbury
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by dallascanuck on Jun 17, 2011 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Only on full and new moons
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
I can understand
the management’s reluctance to let Schneider go right now. If the early signs mean anything, he may have the potential to be a truely great goale in a couple of years. and trading him could really bite the Canucks in the ass.
Los Angeles, CA
Schneider is a starting goalie on a lot of teams… I saw him play some great college hockey and from what I’ve seen of him in the NHL he has what it takes… I’ll just go back to my lurking now.
39 years of pain (1971 loss to Habs) vaporized by one OT goal.
LOL
I’d be kicked off SCH if I did that. Besides, my second team resides in Toronto. Yes, and I’m a Cubs fan so before last year, I’ve not been a happy camper.
39 years of pain (1971 loss to Habs) vaporized by one OT goal.
Good win today though
and Castro taking some walks has been nice. If he ads some plate discipline he would become such a dangerous weapon. ANd man when he is hot he is scorching hot.
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by Section 312 on Jun 17, 2011 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Any team that beats the Yankees
is my favorite team that day.
39 years of pain (1971 loss to Habs) vaporized by one OT goal.
I’d be kicked off SCH if I did that
HaHa, that’s what I thought. TRAITOR, would be your name forever :)
I guess, being a Blackhawks fan comes with serious strings attached, and a “Non-Compete” contract clause.
Los Angeles, CA
Born and raised a Hawks fan.
Hard to give that up except for another “Original 6” team. But thanks for the invite.
39 years of pain (1971 loss to Habs) vaporized by one OT goal.
Hard to give that up except for another "Original 6" team
Oh, so I am sensing a slight sense of elitism here: the Nobility of Original 6, vs. the unwashed masses of the Expansion Era.
Excuse me, Sir…
Los Angeles, CA
LOL No,
I’m just an old fart and like the old teams.
39 years of pain (1971 loss to Habs) vaporized by one OT goal.
You don’t need to like VAN to delurk here. It’s totally cool.
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by Yankee Canuck on Jun 17, 2011 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Thanks, Yankee
I know Stacie7 comments over here and was even accused of being a Canuck fan. LOL I have posted a handful of comments over here on occasion.
Your goal tending “problem” is interesting to me. It will be fun to see how it plays out. The summer will be interesting for both of our clubs.
39 years of pain (1971 loss to Habs) vaporized by one OT goal.
It's a "problem"
I bet many, including the Flyers, would love to have right now.
As opposed to thinking about signing Bryzgalov for 6 Million. (HAHAHAA)
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
I don’t know what Chicago needs. Some bottom six guys and someone for the third pairing?
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by Yankee Canuck on Jun 17, 2011 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions
2nd or 3rd line center
and someone to give us a bag of puck for John Scott.
39 years of pain (1971 loss to Habs) vaporized by one OT goal.
Scott is still on contract? Sheesh.
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by Yankee Canuck on Jun 17, 2011 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes.
for reasons unknown he was signed to a two-year deal.
39 years of pain (1971 loss to Habs) vaporized by one OT goal.
In that case may I suggest sending him to Florida? Worked well for ditching Hordichuk on our end.
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by Yankee Canuck on Jun 17, 2011 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Don’t you get it Yank… florida is OUR farm team.
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by Vancouverguy on Jun 17, 2011 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions
We sent Skille there
and got Frolik in return.
And while I do revel in your team’s loss, I am sorry for the majority of the people that post here. I was a cubs fan, so trust me, sports pain and agony are just below the surface.
I thought that was pretty funny
I never did get a straight answer about if they really didn’t know I was a Hawks fan. I don’t think they were being sarcastic.
It doesn't hurt to be optimistic. You can always cry later.
You would be safe
and then I wouldn’t be alone. Come join me Badger :)
It doesn't hurt to be optimistic. You can always cry later.
TRAITOR!
I knew you’d fall into my trap!
39 years of pain (1971 loss to Habs) vaporized by one OT goal.
That crap might fly north of the border
but we prefer singing Chelsea Dagger down here… “ouch”
39 years of pain (1971 loss to Habs) vaporized by one OT goal.
Is that the goal song
you haven’t heard since we beat you in the first round?
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by Section 312 on Jun 17, 2011 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions
nah we heard it played by the organist in Boston
It doesn't hurt to be optimistic. You can always cry later.
Did they play it??
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by Yankee Canuck on Jun 17, 2011 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions
hahahaha
I want to rec the organist
(TWSS)
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by Yankee Canuck on Jun 17, 2011 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions
yup
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
Had to have someone
fight your battles for you eh? ;-)
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by Section 312 on Jun 17, 2011 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions
yep that's it
it was our plan all along :D
It doesn't hurt to be optimistic. You can always cry later.
hm….. I don’t see Schneids settling for 1.25 as a 1B option though, it’d be amazed if he would.
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by Vancouverguy on Jun 17, 2011 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Rask is gone after this upcoming year. He was signed the year before as a back-up. No way in hell he does he resign for 1.25 million he’s a proven starting goalie.
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Rask won't be gone Timmy will
Thomas is 37 and Rask is 24. You can’t risk losing 10-15 years of potentially elite goal tending for 1 more year of Tim Thomas. Rask will get re-signed long term and after his contract is up Thomas will retire or play somewhere else. I would imagine he will retire.
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by Section 312 on Jun 17, 2011 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Yep
Especially after winning the Cup and two Vezinas
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
There is no
way around this. We need a stronger forward corps. Scoring 8 goals in the finals was a fucking joke.
Los Angeles, CA
To think we once thought we had enough scoring depth to trade Grabner.
"I think he has to be happy with his career, he did a great job on Long Island. I’m sure he is happy with that." - Henrik Sedin on Mike Millbury
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by dallascanuck on Jun 17, 2011 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, to be fair, Grabby wouldn’t have turned into what he is if he was playing in Vanc. We have pretty much established there would be no place for him in the line up.
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by Vancouverguy on Jun 17, 2011 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions
We say that
But there’s no way to know otherwise. He wasn’t playing top line minutes and on the PP in New York. He was getting like 14-15 minutes there
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
To be fair
I was hoping we could hold him at the time, but was happy about the trade.
Hindsight can be a real bitch sometimes.
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At least we didn’t waive him.
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by dallascanuck on Jun 17, 2011 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah
I’m not ready to give up on Ballard yet, but man we would have been better off in the finals with Grabner instead of Ballard
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
At the time, I thought it was a toss up between Grabs and Hansen on who would be dealt.
Both were unproven, getting limited ice time and looked to have the same amount of potential.
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I guess we should be glad we kept Hansen. Who else would keep Cory Schneider entertained?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELqpntoHLB8
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by dallascanuck on Jun 17, 2011 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Me neither. I think the team mishandled Ballard. It’s not just putting Rome, Alberts and Tanev ahead of him on the depth chart. Edler had trouble handling the puck with his broken fingers and had some back problems resurface and Ehrhoff reverted to Errorhoff maybe partly due to his nasty shoulder injury. And the team couldn’t figure out a way to put a healthy Ballard with fresh legs?
"I think he has to be happy with his career, he did a great job on Long Island. I’m sure he is happy with that." - Henrik Sedin on Mike Millbury
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by dallascanuck on Jun 17, 2011 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions
I think that’s just something we say to make ourselves feel better. Even without the tremendous progress he made, he would still be a vast improvement over Fanner Glass and Tambellini, no?
"I think he has to be happy with his career, he did a great job on Long Island. I’m sure he is happy with that." - Henrik Sedin on Mike Millbury
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by dallascanuck on Jun 17, 2011 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah I don't know
God bless web traffic feeds.
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by Yankee Canuck on Jun 17, 2011 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions
dammit
@BotchonCanucks
Jason Botchford
Hamhuis having sports hernia surgery next week. May not be ready for start of season.
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
The Canucks love sports hernias. One more and we get a free smoothie.
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by Yankee Canuck on Jun 17, 2011 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions
I thought he had sports “my groin detached from my bone” injury though?
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
I didn’t hear the quote.
Regardless, Malhotra and Raymond are looking at Hammer now: “wuss”
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by Yankee Canuck on Jun 17, 2011 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Whatever the case. The D needs to get hip check lessons from Ballard. He knows when and how to bail (fall over in the same direction as the player getting hit) during the course of a hip check.
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by dallascanuck on Jun 17, 2011 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Just for the record here
I’m not advocating buying out or waiving Luongo, I was just saying “you could do that” if you wanted. Still think this team can win with him, but wouldn’t mind seeing Cory used more
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
Still think this team can win with him, but wouldn’t mind seeing Cory used more
Well, I predict that if he stays for the next season, he has one more chance to prove everybody wrong.
But I am almost certain, that this will be his last chance. I can’t see how the team would justify sticking with him, if he is chased from the goal during the next playoffs.
Los Angeles, CA
I love this debate each year
“Luongo fucked us over! He must go!” I have seen it with so many goalies in Vancouver. In fact, here is a site with Vancouver goaltending history stats. As far as I know, only three Canuck goalies have started in the SCF. Luongo’s stats seem to indicate he is the best Vancouver has had.
I still say people are stuck on $10 million when in reality it’s 5.3 million. Maybe some don’t want a top three goalie and would rather have more spending money for a forward. Of course we will need the scoring as the goaltending will not be as good.
"You're wrong. You know how I know. Because I just told you." ~ me
You are right
it is about balance. Balancing where the money is spent. But in some people’s opinion, and I am one of them, we have a very special goalie in CS and I don’t personally think the drop off from Luongo to CS would be that big. That isn’t to underestimate how good Luongo is it is more to do with just how good I personally think CS can and will become. And if we are getting elite level goal tending for 900K next year and probably somewhere around 2.5 million a year for the 2-3 years after that? I think that is something you HAVE to look at in a cap era.
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by Section 312 on Jun 17, 2011 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions
That's exactly the point.
We may have two elite goaltenders, one for 5.5 million, and another one for 1 million.
Why on earth do we need both?
Los Angeles, CA
Right
now if some don’t think CS is that kind of goalie it would make ultimate sense to keep Luongo. And that’s the debate I guess.
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by Section 312 on Jun 17, 2011 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Not always right
like Luongo I am right most of the time. But when I am wrong I get undue amounts of heat for it.
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by Section 312 on Jun 17, 2011 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
People try to run you off NM.
by sunshine and lollipops on Jun 17, 2011 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions
He always rejects trade proposals
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
We just need to pump his tires
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by Yankee Canuck on Jun 17, 2011 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions
He gives really bitchy quotes.
by sunshine and lollipops on Jun 17, 2011 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions
We took the captaincy away, that’s a start. He needs a summer of seawalks and bike riding to come back refreshed.
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by Yankee Canuck on Jun 17, 2011 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions
I just don't get enouch damn respect
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by Section 312 on Jun 17, 2011 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, if you knew how to spell…
by sunshine and lollipops on Jun 17, 2011 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm French
this English is a stupid language.
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by Section 312 on Jun 17, 2011 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Liar
I know you’re of British heritage
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
/reporters scribble furiously
by sunshine and lollipops on Jun 17, 2011 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't think we would be hearing as much about Luie
If he vacillated between good/excellent and average/not as good
The fact that he goes from good/excellent to “who put Ray Charles in the net?” is what feeds the controversy,and is what is so bloody frustrating
Maybe the problem is
instead of focusing on the game Luongo has Georgia on his mind?
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by Section 312 on Jun 20, 2011 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions
Luongo
in my opinion, is one of the main reasons Vancouver has been seen as a Cup contender for the past few seasons and I really don’t think he’s a liability heading into next season. He’s had bad games, but this very blog put up his numbers in Game 7’s and winner takes all games just before Game 7. He is an elite goalie and he can be clutch.
To borrow a term from baseball, in the SCF, Luongo didn’t receive any “goal support”. When the Bruins started scoring in Game 3, there was no offensive push back at all. Same in Game 4. It wasn’t just goals, there was a lack of puck possession, time on attack, everything.
Schneider is also a good tender, and I wouldn’t have minded seeing him get a start this series, probably Game 4. It worked against Chicago, didn’t it? Its not so much that Luongo was benched, but just given a chance to clear his head and refocus. Lets say they give him Game 4 off. Sure the media and fan debate would rage, but it gives him an extra day to recharge the batteries and come back for the final three games of the series. I think what made Luongo so good this season was the fact that Schneider was able to come in, play more games, and keep Luongo fresh. Come playoff time, maybe Luongo was ridden to hard.
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That's the thing
The whole point of playing Schneider more in the regular season was to give Lu more rest to be ready for the playoffs. Why not keep that going through the playoffs? Those are the most draining games. Give Schneider a couple starts here and there. He can take it, and you just bill it as giving Lu more rest like in the regular season.
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
umm
so the cycle in the regular season is meant to give Lu more rest for the playoffs. But then the cycle continues in the playoffs or the cycle is broken and Lu plays the whole way? " Lu, it’s game three and the series is tied 1-1 and you have only allowed 1 goals, but you can’t play tonight because it’s Cory’s turn." Now that would be a waste of $5.3 million.
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Not exactly,
but as soon as Lu had a sub-par game, you know it’s time for Cory to step in.
Los Angeles, CA
And
no talking back at the coach is tolerated, such as “don’t even think about it, Coach!!!” Tempertandrums are out of the questions.
Los Angeles, CA
The thing was
he didn’t tell AV that after 3 goals or so, he told him when it was like 7. At that point, yes, you let him dictate it. He wants to stay in and go down with the team. Should AV have pulled him earlier or taken a time out? Sure. But when its already way long gone, you let the goalie tell you if he wants to be in for an awful time and take the same amount of egg on his face as anyone else.
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notafullcolon CS: Well obviously I meant we were snorting blow off hookers at the time of the goal
I don't think its a waste.
Lets say they play Schneider in Game 4. There is no chance of the Cup, Luongo is coming off a rough start, and by that time has played 15 high pressure games. Give Schneider the start, let Luongo get refocused and have him play his best.
Its either that or take Luongo out earlier in Game 3. I think AV had a plan with his goalies all season long and then ignored it in the post-season. And as much as we loved Luongo sticking by his team in Game 3, it may have been better for AV to take him out.
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the days off between series are there to give goalies a break and thus not have to rotate goalies in the playoffs. 10 days of whatever they had should have been enough time for a goalie to mentally cleans. If lou can’t do that the canucks organization should hire a psychologist or something.
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This is my thoughts
I think Luongo has actually been a huge net benefit for the team. It’s just we have a fanbase chaulk full of haters who jump on him when the team collectively plays bad.
For every fan like Section who likes Lu but presents a rational argument about why a trade for forwards makes sense, there are, like 5000 fans (one or two here even) who just want to trade him because he doesn’t post a shutout, score a hattrick and dance an Irish Jig every single game.
Honestly, all this speculation is, in my mind, counter-productive. I’d love to see this city rally behind Lu this off season and give him some confidence. Then with some roster space due to pending departures and possible mid-level trades (Raymond?), for GMMG go out and shore up the team a bit on the top-6, or at least present a few options for Kesler. I really think the issue was the fact we had less offensive talent than our stats suggested. A lot of scoring was done by the Sedins and Kesler and when they got hurt, things just dried up.
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notafullcolon CS: Well obviously I meant we were snorting blow off hookers at the time of the goal
By the way
At PPP today they had a post about great beer league taunts and their results, and this was my absolute favourite:
Was playing some ACHA club hockey Richmond, Virginia. A good buddy and I decided we needed to rattle the other team’s best player, considering we were completely outmatched talent-wise. So we started chirping at this kid in the first period. Usual stuff, nothing too outlandish. And then my bud yells at the guy "YOU CAN’T EVEN READ", which is a pretty lame chirp. But he thinks it’s hilarious, so he just keeps it up all game: "Sucks you can’t read man, maybe you can get a job washing dishes or something", being completely passive-aggressive about the whole thing. The kid shrugs this off for about half an hour. At some point in the 3rd period, my bud leans over and says something during the face-off and the guy fucking LOSES IT. He drops the mitts and is practically clawing at my bud’s helmet and tackles him to the ground. The guy just goes totally berserk. They pull the guy off my bud and he’s just screaming at the top of his lungs "I CAN FUCKING READ MAN. I CAN FUCKING READ BETTER THAN ANYONE."
We still lost.
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by Semi_Colon on Jun 17, 2011 2:39 PM PDT reply actions 5 recs
holy
fuck
"Sometimes grown-ups have low self-esteem and get on guys and say stupid stuff. I think he has to be happy with his career. He did a great job on Long Island. I’m sure he is happy with that" - Captain Henrik Sedin, on Mike Milbury and his comments
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jun 17, 2011 9:37 PM PDT up reply actions
So I posted this on my facebook wall the other day
“If you are a Bruins fan congrats your team deserved to win and I hope you enjoy it. I you are a fan of any other team and you are enjoying the Canucks failure you can fuck right off. And I dare you to say something to my face.”
And for the record no one has said anything to my face.
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by Section 312 on Jun 17, 2011 3:01 PM PDT reply actions
Don’t you mean “I dare you to say something to my face…book”?
by sunshine and lollipops on Jun 17, 2011 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Nope
I literally meant if you see me in the streets say your lame Canuck related beaks to my real face. But as I am sure you know people who troll on the internet, and that includes people I know on Facebook, either don’t like being dicks in real life just on the internet or they don’t have the stones to back up what they say in person.
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by Section 312 on Jun 17, 2011 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Where is that handy dandy sarcasmometer?
by sunshine and lollipops on Jun 17, 2011 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions
It’s pretty easy to be a jerk on the internet. You say what you want, wait a while, think of something to say back. Even if you know the person you’re talking to, some people feel like it gives them a veil of anonymity. It’s tougher to be a dickhead in person.
by sunshine and lollipops on Jun 17, 2011 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Truth is I wouldn't do anything
if they did say their shit to my face. Just laugh at them and walk away. But they still wouldn’t do it.
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by Section 312 on Jun 17, 2011 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions
People on the Internet don't want freedom of expression.
What they want is freedom from being punched in the face.
by Geodetic on Jun 17, 2011 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Well I think Ron Burgundy said it best when he said
“Have the courage to say something”.
If you can’t or won’t say it to my face don’t say it. I have told Flames fans I don’t like them to their face so I have no problem doing it online. :-D
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by Section 312 on Jun 17, 2011 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Rec'd because it's so completely, absolutely, true
Daniel Sedin on Mike Milbury: "He made a bad comment about us, calling us women. I don’t know how he looks at women. I would be pretty mad if I was a woman."
by Tink for Nucks on Jun 17, 2011 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Hmmm...
Honestly, if it wasn’t the Bruins playing the Canucks, I would have been cheering for the Canucks, so I can’t say I enjoyed how the Canucks lost, even though I’m happy they pulled it off. :)
Luongo has to stay.
Picked up a sweet Luongo painting at silent auction the other night.
Win it for Manny!
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Everyone that said lou should be buried in the minors should be stoned to death or thrown in the same asylum as the rioters for their stupidity
Officially licensed Canucklehead
Well that's over the top
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by Section 312 on Jun 17, 2011 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions
This final was interesting in general from the vantage point of goaltending-team defense philosophy
Not only did it buck the post-lock out trend, having a team that based its defensive strategy around an elite franchise goaltender, it pitted together two teams that have decided to base much of their fortunes on a franchise goaltender. The diametric opposite of last year’s match-up that pitted a rookie against a waiver wire pick up.
Obviously the debate is not over, as its still obviously possible to ride a franchise goaltender all the way to the final, but anymore that seems to be more the exception than the rule.
Am I paranoid? I don't know. I went to a therapist once, but I left before he gave me the diagnosis, cause he had it out for me.
by Detroit Must Die on Jun 17, 2011 3:46 PM PDT reply actions
I thought about this myself. After last year’s finals, all the talking heads stated you don’t need a franchise goalie.
This season, most of them went deep. I personally thought the previous year was an anomally, but I was a goalie, so I’m gonna say things like that.
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I think that, at least since the lockout, where the hard cap definitely forces teams with expensive goalies to skimp on other areas of their roster
The serviceable goalie with a great team in front of them is the model that works best. But, as we’ve mentioned these aren’t hard and fast rules, and there is multiple ways to skin a cat.
The reason that Vancouver doesn’t have a top tier defensemen, a Duncan Keith, a Chris Pronger, or a Shea Weber, is because they chose to give that money to Luongo instead.
I am in the camp that tends to think getting a top tier defensemen is better, because such a player can effect so many other facets of the game, but then again, when i played in high school and club in college I was a defenseman.
Am I paranoid? I don't know. I went to a therapist once, but I left before he gave me the diagnosis, cause he had it out for me.
by Detroit Must Die on Jun 17, 2011 10:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Disagree, mildly...
It could also be that there are only three or four of them in the league at any one time. Tough to find, those!
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True
but the point remains, Vancouver wouldn’t have the flexibility to afford one
Am I paranoid? I don't know. I went to a therapist once, but I left before he gave me the diagnosis, cause he had it out for me.
by Detroit Must Die on Jun 18, 2011 1:11 AM PDT up reply actions
We gave enough money to hamhuis and Ballard last season
That we could have afforded anyone. They aren’t available.
by Canuckelhead on Jun 18, 2011 8:44 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
This
Daniel Sedin on Mike Milbury: "He made a bad comment about us, calling us women. I don’t know how he looks at women. I would be pretty mad if I was a woman."
by Tink for Nucks on Jun 18, 2011 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions
i feel
luongo lost some of his alertness over the years. first year in vancouver he was great, at times unbeatable, for long stretches of a season. the next couple of years was pretty good, but not too remarkable. this year at times i feel he’s getting some of his one-unbeatable self back, but most of his saves are of the “read plays and good positionally” variety and less of the “reaction save” variety.
remember how luongo keeps saying he likes to see lots of shots? i feel like it helps his “reaction save” instincts and now that the team is so methodical and so systematic when they play well, he seems to forget as a goalie, especially a 5M one at that, that in addition to making all the routine, boring saves, you have to make your fair share of so-called “reaction saves” when your defense breaks down.
i don’t know if athletes do reaction time tests—these days i imagine they do, especially with concussion protocols now in place—but it’ll be interesting if we have some kind of measure of his reaction time numbers over the years. of course, that alone may not say much, because surely you’re totally focused for a few minutes for some artificial test whereas in a game you maybe not be touching the puck for 5, 10 minutes and you’re totally unprepared when the first puck comes your way.
Luongo used to be a maniac in the playoffs. Remember Dallas, Anaheim, St. Louis, LA? Not just ‘good’, but series-stealing. I don’t think he’s less talented than he was then. But he does seem to have lost energy, focus, and athleticism.
That’s part of why I want to see what Schneider can do. Kids still young and full of piss and vinegar. And you need that. Lou obviously isn’t Tim Thomas, who seems to have access to the fountain of youth or something!
so you're saying
Maybe Lou needs to play more video games
Doesn’t everybody?
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by Tink for Nucks on Jun 17, 2011 10:24 PM PDT up reply actions
well
he could get a lot of game 7 experience in Burr’s basement…
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by Canuckles on Jun 18, 2011 8:47 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Statistically Luongo had his best year
as a Canuck. First year with Melanson and improvement was seen.
And while the Canucks used 13(?) different defensemen this year, the ones that played were healthy. Can’t say the same thing for the SCF. Hamhuis out quick, Rome suspended, Ehrhoff hurt, Edler hurt for the last two games, Ballard was….umm…pissed off and rusty. Add in the injury to Kesler, Hank and whoever else and I say Luongo was left out to dry and he had troubles.
The magical “if” of what if the Canucks were healthy will always be played out in my mind.
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I'm sure this has been talked about throughout the season (and don't want to rehash anything) but
does Luongo go (regularly or not) to the team psychologist (on the Hawks for example Keith reportedly goes a lot)? The thing about Lu’s problems being between the ears has always struck me as pretty true (but internally, not other teams getting into his head or anything, if that makes sense). As you say, he had troubles when he was left out to dry, and to me, it kind of seemed (especially in the playoffs), when his team isn’t playing well, he loses focus and confidence in the team and himself and that’s where his troubles come from.
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by justforkicks on Jun 17, 2011 6:43 PM PDT up reply actions
just my opinion, could be way far off here.
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by justforkicks on Jun 17, 2011 6:46 PM PDT up reply actions
but with supposedly the best D
in front of him? even if there was a stretch of what, 20 games where the D was ravished.
if i actually have the time, doing some statistics to take out effect of the D in front of me would be interesting, but as of now i just don’t feel like his best season as a canuck statistically is too meaningful.
hah I didn't even notice before, but now its cracking me up
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by justforkicks on Jun 17, 2011 9:08 PM PDT up reply actions
I mean...
…good for them and everything, but I’m wondering if game time is really appropriate for that sort of thing.
(Side note: Eddie Shore called a meeting of the player’s wives when he owned the Springfield franchise and demanded they stop having sex with their husbands during the playoffs. Players were known to put clauses in their contracts saying they couldn’t be traded to Springfield.)
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Those unhappy with Luongo...
…will find no goaltender meets their particular needs. Seriously, none. Odd how none of them have mentioned one of the many options Vancouver’s had over the years as an alternative to Lou, but even outside that circle, who do they actually think they’d be happy with?
Tim “I lost my job to Tukka Rask” Thomas?
Chris “Repeated First-Round Losses” Osgood?
Dominik “Happy Wanderer” Hasek?
Patrick “Booed Out of Montreal” Roy?
Th those folks, I have to say Suck it up: Luongo is a good goaltender, and you should be happy he’s on the team. Schneider is as of yet unproven, though he has good potential. Of course, as soon as he’s the starter he’ll become The Enemy Within.
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this
and just looking at Thomas alone, he almost lost his job again in round 1 and in round 3 with the exception of game 7 he was giving up 4-5 goals a night. He got hot in the finals there is no question and he is a great goalie there is no question but he’s not perfect and has his moments as well
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jun 17, 2011 9:40 PM PDT reply actions
No, Clouts' is worse
he pulled that shit in the playoffs and sent me into a rage that was so severe my anger was sent back in time and caused the Chernobyl meltdown.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jun 17, 2011 9:57 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Chuckles, Chuckles, Chuckles
It’s time to let Clouts go.
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by Tink for Nucks on Jun 17, 2011 10:40 PM PDT up reply actions
NEVER
THE MAN WAS A SWISS CHEESE MADMAN WHO TORPEDOED GOOD CANUCKS TEAMS. TEAMS THAT I LOVED. TEAMS THAT COULD HAVE GONE ALL THE WAY. WE WASTED THE BEST YEARS OF NAZZY’S CAREER ON THAT SIEVE MOTHERFUCKER. NAZZY WAS MY FAVOURITE PLAYER AND A FUCKING LEAGUE MVP WITH A WRIST SHOT THAT IMPREGNATED EVERYTHING IT HIT (YES EVEN MEN) AND WE HAD TO BE BACKSTOPPED BY A MAN WHO COULD NOT STOP A SLAP SHOT FROM BEHIND THE FUCKING CENTRE LINE.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jun 17, 2011 10:46 PM PDT up reply actions
sorry I suggested it ; – )
Daniel Sedin on Mike Milbury: "He made a bad comment about us, calling us women. I don’t know how he looks at women. I would be pretty mad if I was a woman."
by Tink for Nucks on Jun 17, 2011 10:48 PM PDT up reply actions
We've been over this
I am well aware that Stevie came back from the dead and put his team on his back.
The fact remains I had to watch that incompetent shithead let in that goal from half and he was terrible in the playoffs.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jun 18, 2011 12:48 AM PDT up reply actions
Clouts
had a broken wrist that series. He didn’t cost us the series, but he didn’t win it for us either.
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Why the fuck
was he playing with a broken wrist?
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jun 18, 2011 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I have never heard that before
not the “WTF”, but that Cloutier was playing with a broken wrist. Makes me think about always taking a deep breath before calling a guy out.
Daniel Sedin on Mike Milbury: "He made a bad comment about us, calling us women. I don’t know how he looks at women. I would be pretty mad if I was a woman."
by Tink for Nucks on Jun 18, 2011 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions
*shrug*
there’s different kinds of breaks in a bone; I don’t imagine they’d all preclude one from playing…much like edler could play with 3 broken fingers game 7 but kesler couldn’t with 1 a couple years ago…different kind of breaks… I saw cloutier shortly after that playoffs and he had a cast on…asked him if he’d had surgery and he said no, it’d been broken for some time.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m no huge clouts fan, but just pointing out a fact.
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Fuck that guy
fuck that guy and his shitty goaltending
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jun 18, 2011 10:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Also true.
It’s a shame that this is the one thing that comes up when there’s so much more to choose from!
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the other parts
would make my head explode
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jun 18, 2011 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions
if we need a scapegoat, here's one
this baby goat from Beacon Hill Park is named Luongo.

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heheheh.
lots of baby goats named after Canuck players this year.
there were Henrik, Daniel, Marinette and Johanna (the twins and their wives) born back in April.
then on June 5th, there were Alexa, Burrows, Roberta, Luongo and Kesler all born.
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"Whether it’s with his mouth or with his stick, Alex Burrows is going to end up pissing you off."
"He did a great job on Long Island. I’m sure he is happy with that." Henrik Sedin on Mike Milbury.
I’d like to see Schneider get equal playing time next season and give the starting job to whoever plays better.
You see,
this is the problem the Schneider faces. He will never get a chance to prove himself equal to Luongo…unless Luongo gets injured, or goes on a terrible slump.
May be, if Luongo gets a little groin pull and Cory gets a chance to play 5 or 6 games in a row, that could be a good thing after all.
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Also I’d just like to say, you mention how his regular season performance dipped in 2008, and that he skipped the All Star game and all that. I think you left out a huge piece of context here. His wife was pregnant!
Yeah, he was having a baby, so he was a bit selfish at the end of that season, and played poorly at the end because his mind was understandably elsewhere, and he was understandably tired. You can criticize him for not putting the team above his baby if you want, but at least mention that he was having a baby lol.
It also explains the curtness of his 2008 quote about not really caring about the last game of the season.
So he gets a pass for skipping multiple games and a performance dip because his wife was pregnant? I can understand if she was having trouble in labor or her life was in danger, but I don’t recall that was the issue. Only issue I remember was she was in Florida and he wasn’t. A pregnancy can excuse a game or two, but not fatigue over the course of a few months.
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by Yankee Canuck on Jun 18, 2011 12:20 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, I think the lack of focus/energy that season was due to his being much more fixated on the pregnancy than on hockey. That was and still is my read on the situation, Lou just plain cared more about what was going on at home and couldn’t keep his head in both places at once.
He virtually said as much back then. Hockey’s just a game, family first, etc etc. I’m not saying it’s acceptable though, I’ll leave that up to individual fans to have their own opinions on. But I do think it’s a pretty major piece of context that should be included, and the explanation for his performance, rather than sophomore slump.
Yeah, I think the lack of focus/energy that season was due to his being much more fixated on the pregnancy than on hockey. That was and still is my read on the situation, Lou just plain cared more about what was going on at home and couldn’t keep his head in both places at once.
He virtually said as much back then. Hockey’s just a game, family first, etc etc. I’m not saying it’s acceptable though, I’ll leave that up to individual fans to have their own opinions on. But I do think it’s a pretty major piece of context that should be included, and the explanation for his performance, rather than sophomore slump.
You have to live with the shame
;)
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Hopefully they all learned a lot during this round and don’t do any of it again
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by Semi_Colon on Jun 18, 2011 8:55 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Who would you rather have
Which goalie would you rather have? Every goalie has ups and downs and Schneider will too. Comparatively speaking luongo is the picture of consistency. He let’s in bad goals but so do all goalies. Do you people who wanna start Schneider really think he won’t stink when the team stops playing in front of him during stretches of playoff games? Section I get where you’re coming from and it makes some sense but it’s a huge gamble. The rest of your core is in it’s prime how can you gamble on an unproven goalie when you don’t have to? The real problem, as sean said, is the first line and the money and minutes we have tied up there. I also like how people are talking about the “new model” for winning the cup is having a cheap goalie and using the money somewhere else. You mean like in Boston? So my question to all you luongo haters is who would you rather have? Honestly? If it’s Schneider, which unflappable brick wall do you compare Schneider to? Or do you just hope based on the small sample size that he’s the greatest goalie to ever play and is beyond comparison?
by Canuckelhead on Jun 18, 2011 8:58 AM PDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Honestly
I like the tandem goalie duo of Schneids and Luongo,if it’s possible to do that and get us some more oomph in the offense. We have to remember this is the first time THIS team go that far in the playoffs. Now they actually have experienced the grind. I expect some adaptations in Luongo and everyone else. I think they now see why some teams are less concerned about regular season,and winning the prez really can be a double edged sword.I expect AV to spend the summer studying and strategizing on how to get past those big tight D teams.My comment to the Lu is always "the contract is what it is. you have to figure out how to work with what you have. At least Lu tries to get better ( or he seems to )
But, that being said if he stops trying to get better and sit on his money, then yeah he has to go. At some point that contract has to be dealt with, but whether I am ready to say now’s the time remains to be seen i think
One thing you CANNOT doubt about Lu
is his work ethic and commitment to getting better. The man submitted to a complete overhaul of his goaltending style this year. And he was, imo, the better for it.
No goaltender is as good as those who love to hate Lu need the Canucks’ goaltender to be. This town is called a goalie graveyard for a reason. No one is ever, ever good enough.
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by Tink for Nucks on Jun 18, 2011 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
One last word on Lou:
Of the 15 wins he got this playoffs, one was by more than two goals, and even that was a one-goal game well into the third. Considering how… erratic the scoring was, that’s a good thing.
That being said, a goalie cannot win a team games; all they can do, at best, is stave off a loss.
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Good job Yankee Canuck
this is probably the best and most thorough write up I’ve seen on Luongo, tremendous credit to you and your effort.
On the Schneider situation I’ll be curious to see how that plays out. I would be surprised if his agent wants him to sign a 5-6 year deal right now. He certainly seems to have a lot of potential and I would have to imaging that he could demand even more money in about a year or two so I’d be surprised for his agent to lock him into backup goalie pay for an extended time.
so I’d be surprised for his agent to lock him into backup goalie pay for an extended time.
Agreed. I think it’s fair to say that it’s just not happening. No way he goes for it. I still say the kid is gone by next summer.
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by Sean Zandberg on Jun 18, 2011 6:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Take a look at the Boston shot charts for the Nuck victories in the Finals
I saw one of the shot charts (game 5 I think it was) and read stats on the other two. In those Nuck victories, there were very few shots by the Bruins from in close. In the Bruins’ wins, their scoring came (mostly) on breakaways and goal-mouth scrums. In other words, from in close. This suggests that the defense is much more responsible for the victories than the goalie. It also means that when the goalie is left one-on-one or faces a mash of bodies in front of him, he has trouble stopping the puck. I’m not a Lu hater actually, but Thomas, Niemi last year, Fleury in ’09—it seems that these guys made the “extra” save on the breakaway or flashed the pad on a quick shot out of the crowd. Lu makes some of those, but not enough. And apparently, not in key situations.
I think he has to get more “acrobatic” and aggressive. Sitting back in his net more this season also meant the defense was collapsing more. He was protected very well. It looked good on the stat sheet. But while roaming out of the net cost Thomas a couple games, he also was able to make the amazing saves when needed. Lu hasn’t shown enough of that yet. And until he does, teams will keep crashing the net and looking for rebounds because he gives them up freely. Since the Nucks are pretty much “stuck” with Lu, they better get a defensive scheme that keeps everything to the outside ALL the time.
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Aww, this is just mean
Why do people have to do this?

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by Twin Terror on Jun 18, 2011 8:12 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
That's funny
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by Sean Zandberg on Jun 18, 2011 9:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Hahaha... that's pretty funny.
Sorry, but it kinda is…
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by Canuckelhead on Jun 19, 2011 12:44 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Unrealistic expectation invite disappointment.
Roberto Luongo is one of the best goalies of his generation. But in hockey-mad, championship starved Vancouver both his accomplishments and his shortcomings will always be exaggerated. At a time like this, when a championship many had come to be regarded as a sure thing (especially after game 2 of the Finals), his shortcomings seem to be all anyone is talking about.
Did Luongo lay an egg in all three games in Boston during the final? Yes, he did.
However, Luongo not only won a gold medal in the Olympics, he not only unseated surefire hall of famer and multiple Stanley Cup champion Martin Brodeur to take the starters job, but he also outplayed tournament MVP Ryan Miller in the championship game (check out the SV% of the two goalies in that game).
As for the finals where he blew it, he certainly did not blow it alone. Take away the goals scored on breakaways and odd man rushes and the numbers don’t look quite so bad. Yes, you do expect your star goalie to stop some of those chances, but not all of them.
Don’t forget, Luongo won three games (two by shutout) in the finals behind a team that scored six goals in seven games. When was the last time a goalie did that? Ever?
by Central Canada Canucklehead on Jun 18, 2011 10:14 PM PDT reply actions
And don't forget...
…how much pressure it puts on a goalie to know that letting in even one goal will probably cost your team the game. Especially when you are talking about a Stanley Cup Finals game.
by Central Canada Canucklehead on Jun 18, 2011 10:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Also
If your star players score some damn goals those otherwise weakish goals can be counteracted
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I thought lu's responses
to questions about how people treat him here during the locker clean out media were top shelf. Guy is a pro, we are without a doubt lucky to have him and lucky that he wants to be here. All the haters can go on hating and jump on and off the wagon all they want, but let’s be realistic, at least here in this little oasis of reason in a stormy sea of herp derp haters… luongo’s the best goalie this team’s ever had and probably in the top 4 goalies playing today.
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by Twitchy2010 on Jun 19, 2011 12:13 AM PDT up reply actions
Lu isn't the guy I got my hate on this year
I was screaming far more at Erhoff, Rome, Fanner Glass…
I was also less than wonderized by the wonder twins… IMHO. Their line needs some help.
If Lu and the guys can figure out how to lose a little less spectacularly, that would be great.
I hope the whole mgmt team also works on their media policy a bit I think that also hurt this team.Lots of lessons learned this season will be interesting to see how they apply it next year
Luongo is a very good goalie,
but you can’t compare goalie statistics across eras, or even decades. They’ve been slowly increasing forever. .900 was once a great save percentage. That is all.
Right, I put that disclaimer in. But it's still an interesting look.
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by Yankee Canuck on Jun 19, 2011 8:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Here's a trade for you:
Lundqvist and Gaborik for Luongo, Raymond, and Ballard.
Lundqvist would probably be throwing up .930 save percentages years repeatedly with your defense and a 60gm/yr schedule. Gaborik is the scoring threat your 2nd line needs(although a rough short contract), and Ballard’s contract is dumped at the cost of Raymond.
Discuss……
Yeah, the Rangers fans were sure calling for Lundquist to be traded after loosing in the first round.
by Kieran gunn on Jun 18, 2011 11:23 PM PDT up reply actions
They are stupid
and delusional. Lundy is the best player on their team by a mile and is the only reason they make the playoffs.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jun 18, 2011 11:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Im not sure
I want Gabby, even though he is a sniper.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jun 18, 2011 11:50 PM PDT up reply actions
fuck gaborik
his buddy demitra was a sniper too…and we all know what a useless bag of dude nipples he was…
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by Twitchy2010 on Jun 19, 2011 12:14 AM PDT up reply actions
Bag of nipples?
Well played, sir.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jun 19, 2011 1:15 AM PDT up reply actions
WE VANT THE MONEY LEBOWSKI

"Sometimes grown-ups have low self-esteem and get on guys and say stupid stuff. I think he has to be happy with his career. He did a great job on Long Island. I’m sure he is happy with that" - Captain Henrik Sedin, on Mike Milbury and his comments
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jun 19, 2011 2:17 AM PDT up reply actions
It will be a self defeating prophesy if the Vancouver fans and Media keep piling it on Lou.
Relying in a goaltender that has less than 25 games experience in the League is not going to win us a cup next year. Luongo could win us a cup next year.
Why is it that an Edmonton reporter has to defend our goalie and not our “homer” guys.
http://www.montrealgazette.com/sports/Blaming+Luongo+easy+depleted+defence+killed+Canucks/4970602/story.html
that's the problem
it’s really easy to blame Luongo. And there are a ton of fans who like easy analysis and assigning blame, especially if their favourite players are forwards or D.
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*it's easy
because the goalie is the only player on the team who is also a representation of one position.
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I love how people on this shite
I mean site, sorry Sean and Yankee couldn’t resist please don’t ban me, continually imply that blaming Luongo is “the easy way out” or some such bull shit. So your opinion that it isn’t Luongo’s fault is well thought out and reasoned? And others who blame him are just taking the easy way out? Okay then.
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by Section 312 on Jun 20, 2011 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions
Everyone deserves blame for the loss
In their own way.
Forwards couldn’t score
Defense couldn’t stop the rushes/keep the puck in on the PP
Luongo couldn’t make all the saves we needed him to.
Also, I know he had two shutouts, but both of those came in games when the defense actually played great in front of him. When the defense doesn’t play great is the time we need him to step up, and he didn’t.
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Who are you referring to? And if it’s me you’re taking what I said out of context
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by Sean Zandberg on Jun 20, 2011 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Not referring to anyone in particular
but between you, Vancitydan, Canuckelhead, Canuckles and others I have seen several times a similar refrain. I just don’t like the implication that anyone who is anti-Luongo is either stupid, wrong or just taking the easy way out.
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by Section 312 on Jun 20, 2011 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Stupid: some of the Lou haters, especially the CDC types.
Wrong: EVERYONE who is anti-Lou.
Taking the easy way out: MOST of the Lou haters
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by Sean Zandberg on Jun 20, 2011 7:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Honestly Section
most of the “trade Luongo” types don’t bring up the fact that a) We didn’t handle injuries very well unlike Boston b) we scored 8 goals in 7 games c) Our D looked completely out classed in the final d) Luongo looked excellent in at least 3 games of that series.
So it does come across as “they easy way out” because the discussion focuses on one player who didn’t live up to egregiously high expectations, as opposed to looking at an organization and 26ish other players who didn’t live up to reasonably high expectations. It’s taking a series loss caused by several coincidental failures, happening all at the same time, wiping them under the table and pining responsibility onto ONE member of a team and organization.
Just as I would say that blaming the Sedins alone is an easy way out, I think that piling the amount of blame I’ve seen onto one player, including the goalie, is an easy way out.
Your analysis has been thoughtful and I understand what you are saying, but you also don’t come across as blaming Luongo. But there are plenty of others out there, not so many here, but many in the MSM and CDC, that find an easy narrative in blaming one high profile player, for a loss which was caused by many things. Sure, Lu contributed to that in one or two games. But he also was the reason we made it to 7 games. So by all means, talk about Luongo in the context of making the team overall better, by re allocating salary. But to suggest that Lu is not a big-game goalie or that he’s not as good as Schneider, or that he is a flopper who sucks and that HE is the reason we lost IS an “easy way out.”
That’s my thoughts on this. Take it as you will.
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by Canuckles on Jun 20, 2011 8:47 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jun 21, 2011 7:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Luongo's stats don't indicate he "steps it up" during playoffs
So, what do people make of the fact that Luongo is the only ‘top ten’ active goalie whose SV% declines from Regular season #’s to lower during the playoffs. Troubling? I think so.
(sorted by playoff sv%)
Thomas – Reg: .921% (1), PO: .935% (1)…..+ .014
Giguere – Reg: .913% (9), PO: .925% (3)…..+ .012
Kiprusoff – Reg: .913% (9), PO: .921% (4)…+ .008
Brodeur – Reg: .913% (8), PO: .919% (5)….+ .006
Roloson – Reg: .910% (14), PO: .918% (6)…+ .008
Ward – Reg: .909% (16), PO: .917% (7)……..+ .008
Bryz – Reg: .916% (4), PO: .917% (8)…………..+ .001
Miller – Reg: .914% (7), PO: .917% (9)………+ .003
Luongo – Reg: .919% (16), PO: .917% (11)….. – .0034
I’m one of those who are skeptical of the level of influence of ‘clutch’ play… BUT, these numbers do illustrate that Luongo certainly doesn’t play better when it really matters.
Playoff hockey is generally more defensive and lower scoring. This is illustrated by Luongo’s stats (lower GAA+lower sv% = fewer shots against)
This is telling (either Osgood brings it, or Luongo becomes Osgoodian, or both):
Luongo – Reg: .919% (16), PO: .9169% (11th)
Osgood – Reg: .905% (16), PO: .9162% (12th)
**Posted this elsewhere (sorry for the double)
Bah! Goalie stats are team stats, or are most of the time.
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by Sean Zandberg on Jun 20, 2011 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Care to elaborate?
Contrary to what one can read all over the internet, I agree that goalie stats are team stats, somewhat.
Certainly, it makes sense to me that Roloson had a worse sv% on NYI than TB, and this could be attributed to team.
BUT, in this case with Luongo
1. The ‘control’ is pretty solid. It’s career numbers (good sample size) with 4 playoff years.
2. It’s the same team, he wasn’t traded from a fluke group (ie CLB) to Vancouver. It’s four years with a good Vancouver team
3. There is the idea that players don’t influence sv%. I think this is true to an extent, and that extent applies in Luongo’s case. It’s the same systems throughout the year, and the same players. Vancouver didn’t suddenly get worse, but Luo saved less pucks.
4. Again, he is the ONLY one this applies to…. he’s the outlier. If we didn’t see a consistent trend I could agree…. but this looks bad on Lou. Cause every other guy gets better to much better.
The point is that teams DO influence sv% in some ways by style of play, and a more defensive, playoff game will do that. Which is why we see the upswing with all the others. Luongo does face less shots during playoffs, so he is having that benefit as well, but with LOU, the sv% goes down.
Looks like that’s on his shoulders.
Luongo – Reg: .919% (16), PO: .9169% (11th)
Osgood – Reg: .905% (16), PO: .9162% (12th)
So you’re ready to analyze or scrutinize 0.021 save percentage difference?
You can’t tell me that Vancouver’s defence was better than Boston’s in the Finals. Of course team play is relevant to save percentage. The Bruins boxed around Timmy and kept shots to the outside mostly. Timmy had to make the first save and the rebound was cleared out. Was that the case with Lou and Lou’s D?
Vancouver didn’t suddenly get worse,
Well yeah, they did against Boston. Plus Boston got better.
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by Sean Zandberg on Jun 20, 2011 8:00 PM PDT up reply actions
I think I may not be communicating this well, cause the point seems to be missed
or maybe it’s not worth it. These are his career numbers, not just the Boston series.
There is an idea abounds that Luongo is a choker, right? (What ever that means)
So, I wanted to investigate. I found that every active top ten goalie sees a drastic upswing in sv% during the playoffs except two: Bryzgalov and Luongo. However, Bryzgalov does see an increase, albeit slight.
So why? Well, normally, playoffs are played tighter and more defensive which then makes sense that it correlates with higher sv%, and it seems that is about .008% of an effect. (.008 over 1000SA is 8 goals or 1.2 wins)
BUT, Luongo over 59 playoff games and 1804 shots against has seen a DROP from his regular season play. Again, the only goalie with this effect.
.9194 – .9169 = .0025 × 1804SA = 4.5 goals. It isn’t a huge distinction, but it is 4.5 more goals in the back of his net than he normally is at.
Additionally, if you take the expected .008 increase from playoff hockey other goalies are seeing and add his decrease of .0025 then the delta is .0105 (19 goals or 3 wins)
It’s just an idea. Perhaps, I’m making a mountain out of a mole hill, but Luongo is the only goalie whose stats are worse on that list.
If we know that the Canucks allow less shots against in the playoffs due to better play, then how would you explain the drop in his play?
If we know that the Canucks allow less shots against in the playoffs due to better play, then how would you explain the drop in his play?
You are assuming that the quality of shots he faces in the playoffs decreases or stays the same. I don’t think I can prove this, but our D is not exactly stepping it up in the playoffs either.
Also, think about what skews his numbers, generally. Lu will play long stretches of lights-out hockey where 3 goals is an aberration. Then one game comes along where the team shits the bed, he follows a period later and then 2-3 games of a completely craptastic clusterfuck (hey, an alliteration!). These numbers are not a reflection of just average games all the time. They’re a product of bizarre games which seem to just happen to the poor guy fairly rarely, but enough to be a drag on numbers.
Honestly I don’t feel I can contribute anything else. I tend to agree with Section that Luongo seems to need someone to help manage his mental preparation (team psychologist?) so I tend to think that he IS a top playoff performer. I don’t think that any team is “in his head” but that some games he just doesn’t seem to “have it.” When he’s on his game though, man, he’s the best there is.
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It’s just an idea. Perhaps, I’m making a mountain out of a mole hill, but Luongo is the only goalie whose stats are worse on that list.
I understand what you were getting at. I do think you are making a mountain out of a mole hill with your math. We “know the Canucks allow less shots against in the playoffs”? Then let’s talk about quality of chances against because they sure hung Lou out to dry on many occasions…and that includes 3 Chicago series in a row. And yes, he let his guys down at times too. Not saying he didn’t. But I just hate using Save % as a complete look at a goalie. That’s what Craig Simpson was basically doing.
This is just my opinion, Lawrence. I appreciate the visual you are presenting and the work you put into it. Maybe somebody else can chime in here.
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by Sean Zandberg on Jun 21, 2011 9:16 AM PDT up reply actions
Scoring Chances
I was curious to see if any of the scoring chance bloggers had some good results from the regular season and found that a Capitals blogger tracked the SC final this year.
Make of it as you will, and he does i.d. Luongo as the #1 goat, but I think his analysis of our skaters is right on target.
http://myfriendcorey.wordpress.com/2011/06/18/canucks-bruins-series-recap/
Luongo is the Canucks Playoff MVP
3 Star Selections in 26 GP
ROBERTO LUONGO 8
RYAN KESLER 5
HENRIK SEDIN 4
DANIEL SEDIN 3
ALEXANDRE BURROWS 3
KEVIN BIEKSA 3
MASON RAYMOND 2
CHRIS HIGGINS 2
ALEXANDER EDLER 1
JANNIK HANSEN 1
CHRISTIAN EHRHOFF 1
SAMI SALO 1
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