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It's About That Time Again To Question The Goaltending

If it's anything short of the Stanley Cup (and it always is) Vancouver's goaltending will be called into question. I don't know how many knives will be pointed at Roberto Luongo this summer, but it's not like we haven't seen him called into question before. Ready for some memory lane?

Rewind the tape to Game Five of the Canucks/Ducks in 2007: Rob Niedermayer goes in with a high hit, Luongo is busy trying to get the refs attention and misses the GWG, Ducks win and move on. Luongo said then:

Obviously I made a mistake there and it cost us the game. Right now, everything is surreal. Obviously, I'm disappointed because our season is over. I didn't feel like I deserved the season to be over. I wanted to keep going. I think it's going to hit harder when I wake up in the next day or two and I have nothing to do.

However 2007 were the glory days. Luongo played fantastic that first season and definitely against Turco and Dallas in the first round. We loved his drive. He said all the right things. With such a terrible string of goaltenders before him anyway (Sorry Alex Auld) we could give the guy a pass.

In 2008 Vancouver missed the playoffs for several reasons, but all eyes were back on Luongo. Remember this was the year he raised some eyebrows by skipping the All Star Game, flew back to Florida before a key game against the Wild, fought off "he wants to go back East" rumors and admitted fatigue. Our ever brilliant analysis at the time:

Between March 21 and April 3, 2008, Lui's numbers sunk to Cloutier-esque proportions: 1 win, 6 losses, 3.67 GAA, .874 Save %. Granted they mailed in their final performance against Calgary, but when asked to assess his 3 goals on 8 shot performance, he said "I tried to bring it, but obviously I didn't have anything left in the tank. I don't care, honestly. The season ended Thursday. It doesn't matter whether I started or not, all right?"

Star-divide

OK, he was a little grumpy. Chalk it up to the sophomore slump!

2009 he fought off that groin injury and lead the Canucks to their first ever post season sweep against St. Louis. In the following round Chicago schooled him for 21 goals in five games and with his contract coming up for renewal  his obituary then brought up the cost vs benefit discussion:

The winning goaltenders of the Stanley Cup since the last time a "franchise" goaltender — Martin Brodeur in 2003 — backstopped the victorious team have been Khabibulin, Ward, Jean-Sebastien Giguere and Osgood, who has won two Cups already and could make it three this spring. Among the losing finalists’ goalies have been Dwayne Roloson and Ray Emery.  The point is, there are plenty of ways to skin a cat in today’s NHL that do not involve tying up $8 million in the goaltending position. And most of the successful teams out there in playoff land have found the way. 

That discussion ended quickly with the 12 year, 64-million-dollar deal Gillis stamped before the start of the 2010 season. But that season Luongo would be pulled eight times and had the worst March numbers of his career, stumbling into the playoffs and leading some to "analyze" which goalie would suck worse in the opening round. After Chicago showed Vancouver the door again, the questions then became about the captaincy and flirted with his mental makeup.

That puts us at the beginning of this season. Thanks to Cory Schneider, Luongo could be spelled on a regular basis which helped him finish with his best numbers as a Canuck (.928 SV%, 2.11 GAA). The duo won the Jennings Trophy. But just like the team in front of him, the playoffs introduced some bi-polar results: 17 goals in 7 games in the first round, 9 goals in six games in the second, 13 in five games in the third and finally 20 goals in 7 games against Boston. The guy brought Vancouver within 60 minutes of the Cup and two days later, should he actually read the newspapers, gets to see this:

...But Luongo is framed as the scapegoat and it's deja Lu. More concerning, it doesn't feel like this is ever going to change.

Instead, it feels both consuming and toxic. It's not healthy for the fans, and it can't be healthy for Luongo. He is regularly asked about things like the crowds in Rogers Arena who, it was reported, cheered when he was pulled from games in Boston. His teammates are regularly asked if they've lost faith in him.

Can he go through this year after year, playoffs after playoffs in Vancouver? Can the fans? Can his teammates? Can anyone?

You get the rhythm. September through April we love him and by June we want him jettisoned into a lunar crater. Sunrise, sunset.

This isn't unique to Luongo of course, but of any big ticket athlete in any sport. Some of the hatred towards Luongo (and it is hatred) is understandable. He's been propped up as an elite netminder so often that it would naturally draw criticism. He puts his foot in his mouth as you saw with the above "I don't care honestly" and his tire pumping exchange with Thomas. He exaggerates many of the battles in front of him; some he legitimately gets punished and others he's up for an Emmy in the "I've been shot by a sniper" category. Hell let's admit even the hairstyle is a lightning rod which is saying something for a sport that gave humanity the mullet.

If you go the numbers route, he's a harder goalie to dislike. Next season he'll easily pass Kirk McLean for the most goalie wins in franchise history. If you put aside save percentage variables by era, his career numbers are similar to Brodeur's. He's ranked 12th for most games played dating back to 1987, ahead of Mike Richter, Felix Potvin and other notables. He's tied for the 9th best career playoff SV% dating back to 1918 (take a gander at #1 while you're there). His playoff trends for Vancouver turned in the right direction after three years of going in reverse:

Season Wins GA SA SV% GAA Playoff Rank
2006-07 5 25 427 .941 1.77 3 of 22 SV%, 4 of 22 GAA
2008-09 6 26 304 .914 2.52 14 of 25 SV%, 12 of 25 GAA
2009-10 6 38 362 .895 3.22 16 of 27 SV%, 20 of 27 GAA
2010-11 15 61 711 .914 2.56 12 of 25 SV%, 12 of 25 GAA

But...there's always a but. For the fourth post season, he imploded in critical games. Some of that is because of the team in front of him (Game Four in Chicago), some is all on him (Game Six in Boston). You do it one season, it sucks. You make a trend out of it and people notice. At this point why would the Bruins, Blackhawks or anyone else ever think they're out of a game with Luongo in net? He can be rattled and, often, he does it on his own.

All of this leads to questions about trading Luongo, especially with Schneider ready to take the next step. It's a fruitless gesture in a sense because of that boat anchor of a contract. I don't know if magicians have awards, but Gillis would be deserving of their hall of fame if he offloaded that contract he constructed which even the NHL head office barely tolerates. Even if somehow he was moved, who's to say Schneider wouldn't fold under the same pressure? Many teams would kill to have "the Luongo problem." Keep in mind it was around this time last year the Bruins were looking at Tuukka Rask to take over for a slumping Thomas. You can never tell, but knowing this team's luck, it's hardly a stretch to imagine Luongo being traded and strolling straight into a Cup with his new team.

This summer is shaping up no different than the rest. Those who hate Luongo fill their arsenal with a few more reasons to chop him down. His defenders have a rebound season, some better numbers and visions of Luongo's Game Five against San Jose to help them weather the storm. Perhaps you're like me and land somewhere in the middle: not his biggest fan - his flopping especially - but far from an enemy. Personally, I've grown accustomed to being confused by him. Especially with that contract, it's a reality I can't fight so better to own it. It's my warm blanket now. As long as his YouTube library of gaffes keeps pace with his highlight reel of jawdropping saves he's earned and will remain the ambiguous case study that he is.

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I always liked Luongo,

even during the worst times. But when he single-handedly lost game 6 last week, I lost my faith in him. And then game seven was the last straw.

His contract is a huge drag on the team, and can determine the faith of this team for many years to tome. The coach and GM has to look at this very carefully.

The concern I have is that the Canucks are making money hand over fist right now, and the team is making the Aquallinies rich even if they do nothing to improve the team. So, complacency is a big issue here. Do they want the Cup, or just a solid cash cow.

Los Angeles, CA

by AttilaS on Jun 17, 2011 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

at this point i really don’t think the acquillinis care about money because they know the money will always be there. If vancouver shits the bed for a season gm place will still consistently sell out. They are still going for the cup. When you win a cup theres also HUGE financial benefits that come along with it. Not only for them, but the city as a whole. If they only cared about money and not putting a winning product on the ice they wouldn’t be spending to the cap ceiling every year and have that many contracts on the books.

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by xX~OG~Xx on Jun 17, 2011 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think they care about the Cup. As much as I don’t at all like that Franceso dropped a bunch of F bombs on reporters after the loss, at least it means he cares about it a bit.

"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"

by Semi_Colon on Jun 17, 2011 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

There’s a reason reporters have such limited access to owners. They do not make good figureheads.

See: Mark Cuban

Win it for Manny!
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by kesrows on Jun 17, 2011 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

What, not a fan of this?

"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"

by Semi_Colon on Jun 17, 2011 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ha

Idiot would use it as a plunger if he was in the crapper.

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by kesrows on Jun 17, 2011 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

mark cuban is the sickest owner ever

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by xX~OG~Xx on Jun 17, 2011 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

there are always benefits to having a passionate owner but there is a limit like when they get involved with hockey operations that they are not qualified for; see Ted Leonis (owner of capitals)

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by xX~OG~Xx on Jun 17, 2011 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

You're

probably (and hopefully) right. Aquallini seems like a passionate guy who hates losing. I heard that after game, he was in the locker room and dropping F* bombs at some media reps. It may have been a mistake to do that, but I feel for the guy.

Los Angeles, CA

by AttilaS on Jun 17, 2011 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

I like the fact that this came out. Makes him more like a regular fan, just with a lot more zeros at the end of his bank balance.

"I think he has to be happy with his career, he did a great job on Long Island. I’m sure he is happy with that." - Henrik Sedin on Mike Millbury
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by dallascanuck on Jun 17, 2011 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hey, I have a lot of zeros at the end of my bank balance. The fact that they’re on the negative side instead of positive means nothing.

by sunshine and lollipops on Jun 17, 2011 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

You can’t blame Luongo for game 7. The team has to at least put up some goal support to even make a case for that. The team lost game 7 because they couldn’t score.

by marcness52 on Jun 17, 2011 6:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

you mean the series

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by Canuckles on Jun 17, 2011 7:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah I agree with all that

Maybe what we actually need is a power forward type to play with the Sedins. Get Burrows back with Kesler

"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"

by Semi_Colon on Jun 17, 2011 7:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yep! Gotta do it.

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by Sean Zandberg on Jun 17, 2011 7:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Gotta build it like I build my NHL 11 teams

Sniper-Playmaker-PWF!

"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"

by Semi_Colon on Jun 17, 2011 7:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Haha! I don’t even pay that much attention to the details. My lines score anyway!

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by Sean Zandberg on Jun 17, 2011 7:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

I love Burrows and Kesler together

I think of them as Batman and Robin.

Daniel Sedin on Mike Milbury: "He made a bad comment about us, calling us women. I don’t know how he looks at women. I would be pretty mad if I was a woman."

by Tink for Nucks on Jun 17, 2011 10:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Starsky

and Hutch.

"Sometimes grown-ups have low self-esteem and get on guys and say stupid stuff. I think he has to be happy with his career. He did a great job on Long Island. I’m sure he is happy with that" - Captain Henrik Sedin, on Mike Milbury and his comments
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jun 17, 2011 10:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

...

Thelma and Louise. Oh, wrong pair. (sorry, couldn’t help myself.)

39 years of pain (1971 loss to Habs) vaporized by one OT goal.

by Badgerdano on Jun 18, 2011 7:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hall

and Oates?

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by Twitchy2010 on Jun 18, 2011 8:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

Kind of a joke but would you take a flyer on Dustin Penner?

"I prematurely shot my wad on what was supposed to be a dry run, if you will, so now I'm afraid i have something of a mess on my hands."
"There's just so many poorly chosen words in that sentence."

by PKSube on Jun 17, 2011 8:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

BAHAHA

YO ASS MUST BE CRAZY

"Sometimes grown-ups have low self-esteem and get on guys and say stupid stuff. I think he has to be happy with his career. He did a great job on Long Island. I’m sure he is happy with that" - Captain Henrik Sedin, on Mike Milbury and his comments
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jun 17, 2011 9:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Actually

Was thinking along the lines of Scott Hartnell…

"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"

by Semi_Colon on Jun 17, 2011 9:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

NO

NO
NO
GET OUT

"Sometimes grown-ups have low self-esteem and get on guys and say stupid stuff. I think he has to be happy with his career. He did a great job on Long Island. I’m sure he is happy with that" - Captain Henrik Sedin, on Mike Milbury and his comments
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jun 17, 2011 9:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

hahahahaha

"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"

by Semi_Colon on Jun 17, 2011 9:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hartnell

is literally the only player in the history of the NHL who falls down more than MayRay.

"Sometimes grown-ups have low self-esteem and get on guys and say stupid stuff. I think he has to be happy with his career. He did a great job on Long Island. I’m sure he is happy with that" - Captain Henrik Sedin, on Mike Milbury and his comments
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jun 17, 2011 9:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

So he’d fit in perfectly with the Sedin’s

/HurrDurr

"I prematurely shot my wad on what was supposed to be a dry run, if you will, so now I'm afraid i have something of a mess on my hands."
"There's just so many poorly chosen words in that sentence."

by PKSube on Jun 17, 2011 11:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

That line would be

pure ginger.

"Sometimes grown-ups have low self-esteem and get on guys and say stupid stuff. I think he has to be happy with his career. He did a great job on Long Island. I’m sure he is happy with that" - Captain Henrik Sedin, on Mike Milbury and his comments
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jun 17, 2011 11:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Tomas Kopecky

Ever hear of the Kopecky hat trick? Lose helmet, whiff on shot, fall down.

39 years of pain (1971 loss to Habs) vaporized by one OT goal.

by Badgerdano on Jun 18, 2011 7:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'd gladly

take Kop over Hartnell.

"Sometimes grown-ups have low self-esteem and get on guys and say stupid stuff. I think he has to be happy with his career. He did a great job on Long Island. I’m sure he is happy with that" - Captain Henrik Sedin, on Mike Milbury and his comments
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jun 18, 2011 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

Is that similar to the Patrik Stefan?

by marcness52 on Jun 20, 2011 12:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

No way

Hartnell has an edge That would be useful. Falls down a lot? Huh??

by Presidents Trophy on Jun 29, 2011 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

FLAGGED

"Sometimes grown-ups have low self-esteem and get on guys and say stupid stuff. I think he has to be happy with his career. He did a great job on Long Island. I’m sure he is happy with that" - Captain Henrik Sedin, on Mike Milbury and his comments
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jun 17, 2011 9:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

a great big fat person, with nice hands. he’s what i’ve always wanted for the sedins.

by Passive Voice on Jun 17, 2011 9:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

NO

HE IS A LUSH AND A PYLON

"Sometimes grown-ups have low self-esteem and get on guys and say stupid stuff. I think he has to be happy with his career. He did a great job on Long Island. I’m sure he is happy with that" - Captain Henrik Sedin, on Mike Milbury and his comments
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jun 17, 2011 9:50 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I think we need to find even more players CC hates and say we’d love them on the Canucks. This is a fun game.

"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"

by Semi_Colon on Jun 17, 2011 9:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

NO

I’LL REPORT YOU TO INTERNAL AFFAIRS.

"Sometimes grown-ups have low self-esteem and get on guys and say stupid stuff. I think he has to be happy with his career. He did a great job on Long Island. I’m sure he is happy with that" - Captain Henrik Sedin, on Mike Milbury and his comments
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jun 17, 2011 9:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

PENNER! PENNER! PENNER!
WE WANT PENNER!

WE WANT PENNER!

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by Sean Zandberg on Jun 17, 2011 10:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

NO

FUCK PENNER

I’LL TAKE DARRYL FUCKING BOYCE BEFORE I TAKE PENNER.

"Sometimes grown-ups have low self-esteem and get on guys and say stupid stuff. I think he has to be happy with his career. He did a great job on Long Island. I’m sure he is happy with that" - Captain Henrik Sedin, on Mike Milbury and his comments
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jun 17, 2011 10:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

PEEEEEEEENNNNNNNNNNNNNNNEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

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by Sean Zandberg on Jun 17, 2011 10:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

GIVE ME HEMSKY INSTEAD

I’LL TAKE HEMSKY IN A HEARTBEAT

"Sometimes grown-ups have low self-esteem and get on guys and say stupid stuff. I think he has to be happy with his career. He did a great job on Long Island. I’m sure he is happy with that" - Captain Henrik Sedin, on Mike Milbury and his comments
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jun 17, 2011 10:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh yeah…soften the top line up even more….NO WAY!

DUSTIN!!

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by Sean Zandberg on Jun 17, 2011 10:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

ANYONE

OVER PENNER

"Sometimes grown-ups have low self-esteem and get on guys and say stupid stuff. I think he has to be happy with his career. He did a great job on Long Island. I’m sure he is happy with that" - Captain Henrik Sedin, on Mike Milbury and his comments
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jun 17, 2011 10:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah I’m just bugging. I don’t like that pylon either. But we do need a guy who can be a truck with hands.

Hate to say it..but look at what Klatt and especially Carter brought to that line. Unless the Twins chug protein shakes and pump iron they need a cop on their line. Burrows is not a cop. At all.

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by Sean Zandberg on Jun 17, 2011 10:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Where is McSorley when you need him?

Oh right…

"Sometimes grown-ups have low self-esteem and get on guys and say stupid stuff. I think he has to be happy with his career. He did a great job on Long Island. I’m sure he is happy with that" - Captain Henrik Sedin, on Mike Milbury and his comments
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jun 17, 2011 10:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yep

This exactly. A big fast truck with decent hands to accept those crazy passes

by canuckgirl on Jun 18, 2011 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

The truck

Has to be hockey smart enough to figure out where those crazy passes are going to put the puck. At this, Burrows is excellent.

Daniel Sedin on Mike Milbury: "He made a bad comment about us, calling us women. I don’t know how he looks at women. I would be pretty mad if I was a woman."

by Tink for Nucks on Jun 18, 2011 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hey you need a sniper for Kes, I hear Alexei Kovalev might be available :)

"I prematurely shot my wad on what was supposed to be a dry run, if you will, so now I'm afraid i have something of a mess on my hands."
"There's just so many poorly chosen words in that sentence."

by PKSube on Jun 17, 2011 11:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

NO

KOVI STAY THE FUCK AWAY FROM VANCOUVER

I’LL CHASE YOU OUT WITH A PITCHFORK IF I HAVE TO.

"Sometimes grown-ups have low self-esteem and get on guys and say stupid stuff. I think he has to be happy with his career. He did a great job on Long Island. I’m sure he is happy with that" - Captain Henrik Sedin, on Mike Milbury and his comments
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jun 17, 2011 11:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

I would pay to see that

"I prematurely shot my wad on what was supposed to be a dry run, if you will, so now I'm afraid i have something of a mess on my hands."
"There's just so many poorly chosen words in that sentence."

by PKSube on Jun 17, 2011 11:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

I CHASED THE IRISH OUT OF SPRINGFIELD

I CAN CERTAINLY DO THE SAME TO A LAZY ASS FUCKING MERCENARY RUSSIAN WINGER.

"Sometimes grown-ups have low self-esteem and get on guys and say stupid stuff. I think he has to be happy with his career. He did a great job on Long Island. I’m sure he is happy with that" - Captain Henrik Sedin, on Mike Milbury and his comments
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jun 17, 2011 11:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

This guy

Understands the game!

"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"

by Semi_Colon on Jun 18, 2011 8:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

Is this pick on you night?

GO SHARKS!
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by Angy on Jun 17, 2011 11:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

When

isn’t it?

"Sometimes grown-ups have low self-esteem and get on guys and say stupid stuff. I think he has to be happy with his career. He did a great job on Long Island. I’m sure he is happy with that" - Captain Henrik Sedin, on Mike Milbury and his comments
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jun 17, 2011 11:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Have you ever tried agreeing with them just to confuse them? :)

GO SHARKS!
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by Angy on Jun 17, 2011 11:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

never

gotta stick to your guns. Its how those guys at Little Big Horn did it.

"Sometimes grown-ups have low self-esteem and get on guys and say stupid stuff. I think he has to be happy with his career. He did a great job on Long Island. I’m sure he is happy with that" - Captain Henrik Sedin, on Mike Milbury and his comments
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jun 17, 2011 11:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

I said “to confuse them” – you don’t have to mean it. :)

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by Angy on Jun 17, 2011 11:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

I kind of feel CC is at the Alamo not Little Big Horn here

It doesn't hurt to be optimistic. You can always cry later.

by stacie7 on Jun 18, 2011 12:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

All depends which side he is on

Daniel Sedin on Mike Milbury: "He made a bad comment about us, calling us women. I don’t know how he looks at women. I would be pretty mad if I was a woman."

by Tink for Nucks on Jun 18, 2011 8:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

Quick, someone photoshop Penner’s head on to a snake!

"I prematurely shot my wad on what was supposed to be a dry run, if you will, so now I'm afraid i have something of a mess on my hands."
"There's just so many poorly chosen words in that sentence."

by PKSube on Jun 17, 2011 11:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

FLAGGED

"Sometimes grown-ups have low self-esteem and get on guys and say stupid stuff. I think he has to be happy with his career. He did a great job on Long Island. I’m sure he is happy with that" - Captain Henrik Sedin, on Mike Milbury and his comments
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jun 17, 2011 11:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Or better yet..

Treacherous

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by Sean Zandberg on Jun 18, 2011 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

You disgrace Manny!

"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"

by Semi_Colon on Jun 18, 2011 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hence the “treacherous” part. I’m just bugging CC

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by Sean Zandberg on Jun 18, 2011 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

OH GOD

KILL IT NOW
KILL IT WITH FIRE

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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jun 18, 2011 10:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

heheh!

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by Sean Zandberg on Jun 19, 2011 1:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

BRING BLACK CLOUTIER

HURR DURR

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notafullcolon CS: Well obviously I meant we were snorting blow off hookers at the time of the goal

by Canuckles on Jun 18, 2011 8:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

NO

GET OUT

"Sometimes grown-ups have low self-esteem and get on guys and say stupid stuff. I think he has to be happy with his career. He did a great job on Long Island. I’m sure he is happy with that" - Captain Henrik Sedin, on Mike Milbury and his comments
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jun 18, 2011 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

One of the past goalies of the future

Daniel Sedin on Mike Milbury: "He made a bad comment about us, calling us women. I don’t know how he looks at women. I would be pretty mad if I was a woman."

by Tink for Nucks on Jun 18, 2011 10:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

ha!

madness

"Sometimes grown-ups have low self-esteem and get on guys and say stupid stuff. I think he has to be happy with his career. He did a great job on Long Island. I’m sure he is happy with that" - Captain Henrik Sedin, on Mike Milbury and his comments
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jun 18, 2011 10:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

ahahaha

"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"

by Semi_Colon on Jun 18, 2011 10:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

lol nice

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notafullcolon CS: Well obviously I meant we were snorting blow off hookers at the time of the goal

by Canuckles on Jun 19, 2011 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don't disagree with marchness.

In fact, I agree with both of you.
What I said was that the management needs to raise these questions, and decide what gives them the best chance for the cup. Don’t just accept the status quo, that Lu is untouchable.

I also said that I, personally, lost all confidence in him. It was not a conscious decision to lose this confidence. I had it in the past and don’t have it anymore. But Lu can change that.

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by AttilaS on Jun 17, 2011 11:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sean

you are a god

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notafullcolon CS: Well obviously I meant we were snorting blow off hookers at the time of the goal

by Canuckles on Jun 18, 2011 8:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

I am not a god.
“Why don’t you pull the trigger and find out?”
heh

It’s ok, Attila, I respect your opinion and I liked how you presented it. I just respectfully disagree.

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by Sean Zandberg on Jun 18, 2011 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

A little more on my butterfly style comment: the Kurtenbloggers mentioned this:

Kevin Woodley of In Goal Magazine joined KB Radio prior to Game 7 and said this about Luongo:

“[He’s] very much a structured goaltender. Very much a rigid butterfly-style goaltender. When the Canucks are tight defensively and taking away second chances in the middle of the ice, he is among the best. But when there are breakdowns, the difference between him and the athletic and acrobatic Tim Thomas — in terms of their ability to pick up those mistakes for their teammates with the big, timely, athletic diving saves — is that you can’t get a book on Thomas. With Luongo, when someone walks in alone there are two spots: High glove and five-hole. He’s just so rigid in his structure that it’s become easier for teams to target him and break him down.”

I believe that is accurate

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by Sean Zandberg on Jun 18, 2011 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

yep

That’s what I noticed big time in the finals. The Bruins would go high glove and 5 hole right off the bat, and then if they got a goal, they would switch it up and do the other one – which led to many of the quick breakdowns

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by Semi_Colon on Jun 18, 2011 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hossa beat him high glove

Peverley beat him five hole.

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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jun 18, 2011 10:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh, I don't

blame Lu for the game 7 loss. The team, as a whole, was beaten.
But he couldn’t make the big save, when it would have helped.

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by AttilaS on Jun 17, 2011 11:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

We truely are a goaltender graveyard. Embarassing.

A 5.3M cap hit for a dude in his prime that will consistently get you 35+ wins, 2.40 GAA, 0.915 SV% and 5 SO. Playoff stumbles be damned. He got you within a win of the Stanley Cup, in a seven game series where his much vaunted offense scored a measly 8 goals.

Niemi came out of obscurity to get $3.8M, Crawford ditto for $2.7, Halak to get $3.8. What dollar figures will get CS as a UFA next season? Probably in the $3.25-$4M ballpark, if I had to look into my crystal ball. Dude has won everywhere he’s been, is young and has quite the upside.

by Coach Ryan on Jun 18, 2011 9:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOLOLOOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

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by xX~OG~Xx on Jun 17, 2011 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

I now.

It happened to me two weeks ago, and your butt hurts for a long time after that… ;)
But at least, everything was in good order.

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by AttilaS on Jun 17, 2011 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Trust me, medical professionals hate to do it, just as much as the recipients.

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by dallascanuck on Jun 17, 2011 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

To each their own...

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by Thursday on Jun 17, 2011 11:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

this is

hilarious

"Sometimes grown-ups have low self-esteem and get on guys and say stupid stuff. I think he has to be happy with his career. He did a great job on Long Island. I’m sure he is happy with that" - Captain Henrik Sedin, on Mike Milbury and his comments
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jun 17, 2011 11:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Here's this
@angus_j
Jeff Angus
Gillis “we want to have Cory here for five or six more years.”

"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"

by Semi_Colon on Jun 17, 2011 12:45 PM PDT reply actions  

Gillis'

remark is will fuel the Luongo controversy through the roof. It makes no sense to keep Schneids for 6 years, and not make him the #1 goalie.

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by AttilaS on Jun 17, 2011 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Makes alot of sense. I just saw Gillis give a first class sales pitch to all other GMs in the league.

#pumpinthetires

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by kesrows on Jun 17, 2011 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well

He did say he was on the phone yesterday morning with another GM discussing “options”…

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by Semi_Colon on Jun 17, 2011 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

I personally don’t see how that is going to be feasible. CS will not want to be a career backup and always play second fiddle to lou

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by xX~OG~Xx on Jun 17, 2011 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe they'll start

Towards a 1A/1B situation? Who knows

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by Semi_Colon on Jun 17, 2011 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Home goalie and road goalie? Could’ve worked out well in the finals against the Bruins. I would think rotating CS in as a procedural move would be much better for Lu’s conditioning and confidence, rather than waiting for Lu to get shelled in a game, then putting CS in.

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by dallascanuck on Jun 17, 2011 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, that is what they were doing this year in the regular season. Maybe we’ll see it more in the post season, who knows. But no one has ever rotated goalies in the post season before. That would be pretty uncharted waters. And I don’t count Philly, because they rotate based on shitty performances, not procedure

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by Semi_Colon on Jun 17, 2011 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah

it would be the first time, but if it works, who gives a shit.

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by AttilaS on Jun 17, 2011 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

It could work. Giving Lu time off in the playoffs could get him in physical peak every game he starts, that could help his confidence. Hopefully he will see it less as a “we don’t have confidence in you every game” and more as a “we doing everything we can to give you an edge to win games.”

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by dallascanuck on Jun 17, 2011 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Teams have rotated goalies

The wild did it with roloson and someone else I don’t remember. Other teams have done it too, you just don’t remember cause it doesnt work

by Canuckelhead on Jun 18, 2011 8:34 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Well

Just because it hasn’t worked before doesn’t mean it can’t work in the future.

"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"

by Semi_Colon on Jun 18, 2011 8:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

Manny Fernandez

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by Section 312 on Jun 20, 2011 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

Then, you can’t survive in the cap era, unless you want to weaken that forward corp further.

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by Vancouverguy on Jun 17, 2011 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

well

Boston had Timmy at 5M and Rask at 1.25 backing him up. IF they pulled something like that I wouldn’t see Cory getting too much of a raise

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by Semi_Colon on Jun 17, 2011 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Does anybody

believe that Lu’s would agree to have his contract re-negotiated?

If I were Lu, I wouldn’t worry too much about not having enough money for retirement. My main concern would be to re-establish my reputation, even if that means to trash my old contract and get a new, more realistic one.

If he did that, he would get a lot of good-will from managemen, as well as the fan. If he doesn’t, he risks geting run out of town, next time he drops the ball.

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by AttilaS on Jun 17, 2011 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

is that possible under the CBA?

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by xX~OG~Xx on Jun 17, 2011 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nope

Unless you buy him out

"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"

by Semi_Colon on Jun 17, 2011 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes,

you have to buy him out if you want Lu go go away against his will.

But if Lu does it of his own will, it’s a different story.

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by AttilaS on Jun 17, 2011 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Don't think that's allowed

"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"

by Semi_Colon on Jun 17, 2011 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

A contract

is a legal means to protect both parties from acting against each other’s interest.

However, if both parties act in agreement, you can toss it any time, and agree on a new one. The only criteria the new contract has to meet, is to be in agreement with the current NHL cap rules.

I am talking in general terms, here, not specifically NHL. But legal contracts have the same function in every walk of life.

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by AttilaS on Jun 17, 2011 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m actually unsure of NHL contracts can be re-negotiated, because this will be a big loop-hole to circumvent the salary cap.

If he IS willing though, I’m sure the Aqualinis will try to make sure he gets paid no less than he’s getting, while GMMG can help to massage the cap.

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by Vancouverguy on Jun 17, 2011 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't see why not

as long as the cap hit gets smaller. Basically, he would give back money, and there is no law in the world to prevent you from giving money away.

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by AttilaS on Jun 17, 2011 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

That would be magical if Lu is willing to give back money to help us lower the cap hit.

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by dallascanuck on Jun 17, 2011 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

It would be against

the grain, but it would be a jaw-dropping gesture. He could gain a saint’s status overnight:)

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by AttilaS on Jun 17, 2011 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Which a lot of ‘fans’ would forget the next time he posts a loss.

by sunshine and lollipops on Jun 17, 2011 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

The CBA is why not.

Sorry, just reading your thread and wanted to point that out. The CBA prohibits renegotiation of contracts so that’s just not an option.

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by Badgerdano on Jun 17, 2011 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah

That’s what the buyout is for. Of course unless the renegotiation is for less than half of the previous value, there’s no point in buying out.

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by Semi_Colon on Jun 17, 2011 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

I see what you mean.

So, the team could buy him out for less than the face value of the whole contract, in case both parties agree on the amount?

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by AttilaS on Jun 17, 2011 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well

It’s more complicated than that. Especially with a front loaded deal like Luongo’s

"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"

by Semi_Colon on Jun 17, 2011 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

buyout

will mean we pay Luongo for the next 20 years. http://bit.ly/elmQhg

by seedvt on Jun 17, 2011 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

yeah

Lu’s deal really fucks up a buyout because of the huge difference between real dollars and caphit

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by Semi_Colon on Jun 17, 2011 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOLWUT? The buyout cap hit will be 5-6 million in 2019-2022!?!?

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by dallascanuck on Jun 17, 2011 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks.

In that case, the trade route is the only way.

Los Angeles, CA

by AttilaS on Jun 17, 2011 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well

There’s always the burying-him-in-the-minors route, or the ship his contract off the Europe route the Hawks used to get out of Huet

"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"

by Semi_Colon on Jun 17, 2011 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wasn't saying it was going to

Just saying you could do that if you really really wanted to

"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"

by Semi_Colon on Jun 17, 2011 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Right

that would be a total waste. He is still a good goalie, regardless of his playoff performance.

Los Angeles, CA

by AttilaS on Jun 17, 2011 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

They wouldn’t do that anyways. They are trying to cultivate an atmosphere opposite of that. If they bury Lou in the minors after he got us to the Finals, then who the hell would want to play here? That would worry me.

by sunshine and lollipops on Jun 17, 2011 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Do we really want to do this to a guy that was good enough to get us to game 7 of the SCF?

I don’t deny that he has looked pedestrian in some games, but he’s still well above average and maybe even marginally elite.

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by dallascanuck on Jun 17, 2011 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't

I was just pointing out all the options for removing a contract beyond trading or buying out

"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"

by Semi_Colon on Jun 17, 2011 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree with you

but what if there are better options?

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by AttilaS on Jun 17, 2011 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

I hope I'm not perceived as a troll.

I think Semi’s idea of strategically starting Schneider in road games in the playoffs makes sense. Sure, it’s uncharted waters, but so what? Lu generally plays better at home so focus him on home games in the playoffs. I doubt you’re going to find many takers for his contract so trading him seems unlikely to me.

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by Badgerdano on Jun 17, 2011 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

At this point

I’m willing try anything. Luongo can be so Jeckell and Hyde.

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by Semi_Colon on Jun 17, 2011 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's a tough predicament you're in.

If I were a Canuck fan I’d probably be one of the those wanting him gone. But he truly is a talented goalie. Maybe he just needs some time on the couch before big games.

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by Badgerdano on Jun 17, 2011 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

If MG is serious about keeping Schneider around for six plus seasons, it opens the door to all kinds of strategery. Let the goalies pick their opponents, never play Luongo in October and March, switch them at 30 minutes in every game.

(I’m not serious, though any one of these would crack me up)

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by Yankee Canuck on Jun 17, 2011 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Play CS

on Tuesdays, Thursdays and alternate Saturdays. Or every weekend and every other Wednesday.

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by Section 312 on Jun 17, 2011 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

The above strategy

may have gotten them the Stanly Cup this year.
Seriously.

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by AttilaS on Jun 17, 2011 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Come see Ginger Jesus in net on Schneider Sundays!

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by dallascanuck on Jun 17, 2011 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

We could call them

“The Goaltending Paternity.”

Which is a play on the old line about a goal tending fraternity and the fact that CS would be playing on a divorced parents sharing the kids style schedule.

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by Section 312 on Jun 17, 2011 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Switch them every TV time out. Or after every goal.

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by Yankee Canuck on Jun 17, 2011 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Make them wear the same

equipment and helmet and jersey and we would never know which one was in net.

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by Section 312 on Jun 17, 2011 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

That would mean Luongo shaves or GJ needs to grow some.

Put me in the camp for the red mane right now.

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by Yankee Canuck on Jun 17, 2011 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh man, if Cory were our starter, we would see so many faux ginger beards in the playoffs. I’d love that.

by sunshine and lollipops on Jun 17, 2011 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Let the players pick the goalie each game. This may be my favorite coachbation yet.

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by Yankee Canuck on Jun 17, 2011 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Rock paper scissors

to see who starts right before puck drop each game. Broadcast it live on PPV.

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by Section 312 on Jun 17, 2011 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Genius.

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by dallascanuck on Jun 17, 2011 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sounds like a movie idea.

by marcness52 on Jun 17, 2011 6:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Only on full and new moons

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by Semi_Colon on Jun 17, 2011 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

I can understand

the management’s reluctance to let Schneider go right now. If the early signs mean anything, he may have the potential to be a truely great goale in a couple of years. and trading him could really bite the Canucks in the ass.

Los Angeles, CA

by AttilaS on Jun 17, 2011 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Schneider is a starting goalie on a lot of teams… I saw him play some great college hockey and from what I’ve seen of him in the NHL he has what it takes… I’ll just go back to my lurking now.

39 years of pain (1971 loss to Habs) vaporized by one OT goal.

by Badgerdano on Jun 17, 2011 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

No

need to lurk. You might as well adopt the Canucks as your second team..:)

Los Angeles, CA

by AttilaS on Jun 17, 2011 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOL

I’d be kicked off SCH if I did that. Besides, my second team resides in Toronto. Yes, and I’m a Cubs fan so before last year, I’ve not been a happy camper.

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by Badgerdano on Jun 17, 2011 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Good win today though

and Castro taking some walks has been nice. If he ads some plate discipline he would become such a dangerous weapon. ANd man when he is hot he is scorching hot.

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by Section 312 on Jun 17, 2011 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Any team that beats the Yankees

is my favorite team that day.

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by Badgerdano on Jun 17, 2011 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’d be kicked off SCH if I did that

HaHa, that’s what I thought. TRAITOR, would be your name forever :)

I guess, being a Blackhawks fan comes with serious strings attached, and a “Non-Compete” contract clause.

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by AttilaS on Jun 17, 2011 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Born and raised a Hawks fan.

Hard to give that up except for another “Original 6” team. But thanks for the invite.

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by Badgerdano on Jun 17, 2011 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hard to give that up except for another "Original 6" team

Oh, so I am sensing a slight sense of elitism here: the Nobility of Original 6, vs. the unwashed masses of the Expansion Era.

Excuse me, Sir…

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by AttilaS on Jun 17, 2011 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOL No,

I’m just an old fart and like the old teams.

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by Badgerdano on Jun 17, 2011 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Just kidding.

you seem like a knowledgeable guy. We always appreciate that.

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by AttilaS on Jun 17, 2011 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

You don’t need to like VAN to delurk here. It’s totally cool.

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by Yankee Canuck on Jun 17, 2011 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks, Yankee

I know Stacie7 comments over here and was even accused of being a Canuck fan. LOL I have posted a handful of comments over here on occasion.

Your goal tending “problem” is interesting to me. It will be fun to see how it plays out. The summer will be interesting for both of our clubs.

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by Badgerdano on Jun 17, 2011 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's a "problem"

I bet many, including the Flyers, would love to have right now.

As opposed to thinking about signing Bryzgalov for 6 Million. (HAHAHAA)

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by Semi_Colon on Jun 17, 2011 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t know what Chicago needs. Some bottom six guys and someone for the third pairing?

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by Yankee Canuck on Jun 17, 2011 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

2nd or 3rd line center

and someone to give us a bag of puck for John Scott.

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by Badgerdano on Jun 17, 2011 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Scott is still on contract? Sheesh.

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by Yankee Canuck on Jun 17, 2011 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes.

for reasons unknown he was signed to a two-year deal.

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by Badgerdano on Jun 17, 2011 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

because we needed a goon

duh

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by stacie7 on Jun 17, 2011 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

In that case may I suggest sending him to Florida? Worked well for ditching Hordichuk on our end.

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by Yankee Canuck on Jun 17, 2011 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Don’t you get it Yank… florida is OUR farm team.

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by Vancouverguy on Jun 17, 2011 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

We sent Skille there

and got Frolik in return.

And while I do revel in your team’s loss, I am sorry for the majority of the people that post here. I was a cubs fan, so trust me, sports pain and agony are just below the surface.

by hawkeytalk on Jun 17, 2011 8:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

I thought that was pretty funny

I never did get a straight answer about if they really didn’t know I was a Hawks fan. I don’t think they were being sarcastic.

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by stacie7 on Jun 17, 2011 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

that cracked me up too.

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by Badgerdano on Jun 17, 2011 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

You would be safe

and then I wouldn’t be alone. Come join me Badger :)

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by stacie7 on Jun 17, 2011 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

TRAITOR!

I knew you’d fall into my trap!

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by Badgerdano on Jun 17, 2011 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

BUSTED!

Both of you ;-)

Let's Go Hawks!

by K_Dog on Jun 17, 2011 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

says the other guy over here

It doesn't hurt to be optimistic. You can always cry later.

by stacie7 on Jun 17, 2011 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ok,

now let’s sing “Acuna Matata” together. Or "Kumbaya..

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by AttilaS on Jun 17, 2011 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

That crap might fly north of the border

but we prefer singing Chelsea Dagger down here… “ouch”

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by Badgerdano on Jun 17, 2011 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Is that the goal song

you haven’t heard since we beat you in the first round?

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by Section 312 on Jun 17, 2011 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

nah we heard it played by the organist in Boston

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by stacie7 on Jun 17, 2011 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Did they play it??

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by Yankee Canuck on Jun 17, 2011 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think it was in game 6

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by stacie7 on Jun 17, 2011 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

hahahaha

I want to rec the organist

(TWSS)

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by Yankee Canuck on Jun 17, 2011 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Question:

What’s better than roses on your piano?

Let's Go Hawks!

by K_Dog on Jun 17, 2011 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

A Hawk on a skewer?

I kid, I kid.

Two lips, perhaps?

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by kesrows on Jun 17, 2011 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Better make it Tulips for all the young kids out there.

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by kesrows on Jun 17, 2011 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

close

Question:
What’s better than roses on your piano?
Answer:
Tulips on your organ.

Let's Go Hawks!

by K_Dog on Jun 17, 2011 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

yup

"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"

by Semi_Colon on Jun 17, 2011 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Had to have someone

fight your battles for you eh? ;-)

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by Section 312 on Jun 17, 2011 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

yep that's it

it was our plan all along :D

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by stacie7 on Jun 17, 2011 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Touche

LOL

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by Badgerdano on Jun 17, 2011 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

No

these are African friendship songs….for world peace, and such.

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by AttilaS on Jun 17, 2011 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

hm….. I don’t see Schneids settling for 1.25 as a 1B option though, it’d be amazed if he would.

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by Vancouverguy on Jun 17, 2011 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Rask is gone after this upcoming year. He was signed the year before as a back-up. No way in hell he does he resign for 1.25 million he’s a proven starting goalie.

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by xX~OG~Xx on Jun 17, 2011 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Rask won't be gone Timmy will

Thomas is 37 and Rask is 24. You can’t risk losing 10-15 years of potentially elite goal tending for 1 more year of Tim Thomas. Rask will get re-signed long term and after his contract is up Thomas will retire or play somewhere else. I would imagine he will retire.

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by Section 312 on Jun 17, 2011 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yep

Especially after winning the Cup and two Vezinas

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by Semi_Colon on Jun 17, 2011 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

my bad got switched up with savard’s contract. In that case I can see Rask signing a two yr deal and having a long term extension based on the season where he is the outright number one.

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by xX~OG~Xx on Jun 17, 2011 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

There is no

way around this. We need a stronger forward corps. Scoring 8 goals in the finals was a fucking joke.

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by AttilaS on Jun 17, 2011 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

To think we once thought we had enough scoring depth to trade Grabner.

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by dallascanuck on Jun 17, 2011 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, to be fair, Grabby wouldn’t have turned into what he is if he was playing in Vanc. We have pretty much established there would be no place for him in the line up.

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by Vancouverguy on Jun 17, 2011 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

We say that

But there’s no way to know otherwise. He wasn’t playing top line minutes and on the PP in New York. He was getting like 14-15 minutes there

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by Semi_Colon on Jun 17, 2011 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

To be fair

I was hoping we could hold him at the time, but was happy about the trade.

Hindsight can be a real bitch sometimes.

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by kesrows on Jun 17, 2011 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

At least we didn’t waive him.

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by dallascanuck on Jun 17, 2011 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah

I’m not ready to give up on Ballard yet, but man we would have been better off in the finals with Grabner instead of Ballard

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by Semi_Colon on Jun 17, 2011 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

At the time, I thought it was a toss up between Grabs and Hansen on who would be dealt.

Both were unproven, getting limited ice time and looked to have the same amount of potential.

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by kesrows on Jun 17, 2011 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

I guess we should be glad we kept Hansen. Who else would keep Cory Schneider entertained?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELqpntoHLB8

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by dallascanuck on Jun 17, 2011 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Me neither. I think the team mishandled Ballard. It’s not just putting Rome, Alberts and Tanev ahead of him on the depth chart. Edler had trouble handling the puck with his broken fingers and had some back problems resurface and Ehrhoff reverted to Errorhoff maybe partly due to his nasty shoulder injury. And the team couldn’t figure out a way to put a healthy Ballard with fresh legs?

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by dallascanuck on Jun 17, 2011 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think that’s just something we say to make ourselves feel better. Even without the tremendous progress he made, he would still be a vast improvement over Fanner Glass and Tambellini, no?

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by dallascanuck on Jun 17, 2011 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

why is the stanley cup finals tickets for sale banner still there?

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by xX~OG~Xx on Jun 17, 2011 12:45 PM PDT reply actions  

Yeah I don't know

God bless web traffic feeds.

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by Yankee Canuck on Jun 17, 2011 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

dammit
@BotchonCanucks
Jason Botchford
Hamhuis having sports hernia surgery next week. May not be ready for start of season.

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by Semi_Colon on Jun 17, 2011 12:46 PM PDT reply actions  

The Canucks love sports hernias. One more and we get a free smoothie.

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by Yankee Canuck on Jun 17, 2011 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

They have one of those stamp cards i take it

by jluglue on Jun 17, 2011 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

I thought he had sports “my groin detached from my bone” injury though?

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by Semi_Colon on Jun 17, 2011 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

I didn’t hear the quote.

Regardless, Malhotra and Raymond are looking at Hammer now: “wuss”

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by Yankee Canuck on Jun 17, 2011 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

must be the pussy Smithers mentality :P

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by xX~OG~Xx on Jun 17, 2011 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Whatever the case. The D needs to get hip check lessons from Ballard. He knows when and how to bail (fall over in the same direction as the player getting hit) during the course of a hip check.

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by dallascanuck on Jun 17, 2011 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Just for the record here

I’m not advocating buying out or waiving Luongo, I was just saying “you could do that” if you wanted. Still think this team can win with him, but wouldn’t mind seeing Cory used more

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by Semi_Colon on Jun 17, 2011 1:58 PM PDT reply actions  

Still think this team can win with him, but wouldn’t mind seeing Cory used more

Well, I predict that if he stays for the next season, he has one more chance to prove everybody wrong.
But I am almost certain, that this will be his last chance. I can’t see how the team would justify sticking with him, if he is chased from the goal during the next playoffs.

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by AttilaS on Jun 17, 2011 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

I love this debate each year

“Luongo fucked us over! He must go!” I have seen it with so many goalies in Vancouver. In fact, here is a site with Vancouver goaltending history stats. As far as I know, only three Canuck goalies have started in the SCF. Luongo’s stats seem to indicate he is the best Vancouver has had.

I still say people are stuck on $10 million when in reality it’s 5.3 million. Maybe some don’t want a top three goalie and would rather have more spending money for a forward. Of course we will need the scoring as the goaltending will not be as good.

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by westy99 on Jun 17, 2011 2:15 PM PDT reply actions  

You are right

it is about balance. Balancing where the money is spent. But in some people’s opinion, and I am one of them, we have a very special goalie in CS and I don’t personally think the drop off from Luongo to CS would be that big. That isn’t to underestimate how good Luongo is it is more to do with just how good I personally think CS can and will become. And if we are getting elite level goal tending for 900K next year and probably somewhere around 2.5 million a year for the 2-3 years after that? I think that is something you HAVE to look at in a cap era.

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by Section 312 on Jun 17, 2011 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's exactly the point.

We may have two elite goaltenders, one for 5.5 million, and another one for 1 million.
Why on earth do we need both?

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by AttilaS on Jun 17, 2011 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Right

now if some don’t think CS is that kind of goalie it would make ultimate sense to keep Luongo. And that’s the debate I guess.

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by Section 312 on Jun 17, 2011 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes,

…and I hate when you are always right, and I have nothing to add…:)

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by AttilaS on Jun 17, 2011 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

People try to run you off NM.

by sunshine and lollipops on Jun 17, 2011 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

He always rejects trade proposals

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by Semi_Colon on Jun 17, 2011 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

We just need to pump his tires

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by Yankee Canuck on Jun 17, 2011 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

He gives really bitchy quotes.

by sunshine and lollipops on Jun 17, 2011 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

We took the captaincy away, that’s a start. He needs a summer of seawalks and bike riding to come back refreshed.

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by Yankee Canuck on Jun 17, 2011 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

I just don't get enouch damn respect

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by Section 312 on Jun 17, 2011 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, if you knew how to spell…

by sunshine and lollipops on Jun 17, 2011 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm French

this English is a stupid language.

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by Section 312 on Jun 17, 2011 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Liar

I know you’re of British heritage

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by Semi_Colon on Jun 17, 2011 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

/reporters scribble furiously

by sunshine and lollipops on Jun 17, 2011 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Lou is not a top 3 playoff goalie anymore. I don’t even think he’s the best goalie in Vancouver anymore.

by jozsef on Jun 18, 2011 12:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don't think we would be hearing as much about Luie

If he vacillated between good/excellent and average/not as good

The fact that he goes from good/excellent to “who put Ray Charles in the net?” is what feeds the controversy,and is what is so bloody frustrating

by canuckgirl on Jun 18, 2011 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

How dare you say that

This is an insult to Ray Charles.

GOODBYE LUONGO!

by Twin Terror on Jun 18, 2011 7:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe the problem is

instead of focusing on the game Luongo has Georgia on his mind?

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by Section 312 on Jun 20, 2011 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

Luongo

in my opinion, is one of the main reasons Vancouver has been seen as a Cup contender for the past few seasons and I really don’t think he’s a liability heading into next season. He’s had bad games, but this very blog put up his numbers in Game 7’s and winner takes all games just before Game 7. He is an elite goalie and he can be clutch.

To borrow a term from baseball, in the SCF, Luongo didn’t receive any “goal support”. When the Bruins started scoring in Game 3, there was no offensive push back at all. Same in Game 4. It wasn’t just goals, there was a lack of puck possession, time on attack, everything.

Schneider is also a good tender, and I wouldn’t have minded seeing him get a start this series, probably Game 4. It worked against Chicago, didn’t it? Its not so much that Luongo was benched, but just given a chance to clear his head and refocus. Lets say they give him Game 4 off. Sure the media and fan debate would rage, but it gives him an extra day to recharge the batteries and come back for the final three games of the series. I think what made Luongo so good this season was the fact that Schneider was able to come in, play more games, and keep Luongo fresh. Come playoff time, maybe Luongo was ridden to hard.

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by 51dimes on Jun 17, 2011 2:32 PM PDT reply actions  

That's the thing

The whole point of playing Schneider more in the regular season was to give Lu more rest to be ready for the playoffs. Why not keep that going through the playoffs? Those are the most draining games. Give Schneider a couple starts here and there. He can take it, and you just bill it as giving Lu more rest like in the regular season.

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by Semi_Colon on Jun 17, 2011 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

umm

so the cycle in the regular season is meant to give Lu more rest for the playoffs. But then the cycle continues in the playoffs or the cycle is broken and Lu plays the whole way? " Lu, it’s game three and the series is tied 1-1 and you have only allowed 1 goals, but you can’t play tonight because it’s Cory’s turn." Now that would be a waste of $5.3 million.

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by westy99 on Jun 17, 2011 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not exactly,

but as soon as Lu had a sub-par game, you know it’s time for Cory to step in.

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by AttilaS on Jun 17, 2011 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

And

no talking back at the coach is tolerated, such as “don’t even think about it, Coach!!!” Tempertandrums are out of the questions.

Los Angeles, CA

by AttilaS on Jun 17, 2011 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

The thing was

he didn’t tell AV that after 3 goals or so, he told him when it was like 7. At that point, yes, you let him dictate it. He wants to stay in and go down with the team. Should AV have pulled him earlier or taken a time out? Sure. But when its already way long gone, you let the goalie tell you if he wants to be in for an awful time and take the same amount of egg on his face as anyone else.

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by Canuckles on Jun 17, 2011 5:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't think its a waste.

Lets say they play Schneider in Game 4. There is no chance of the Cup, Luongo is coming off a rough start, and by that time has played 15 high pressure games. Give Schneider the start, let Luongo get refocused and have him play his best.

Its either that or take Luongo out earlier in Game 3. I think AV had a plan with his goalies all season long and then ignored it in the post-season. And as much as we loved Luongo sticking by his team in Game 3, it may have been better for AV to take him out.

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by 51dimes on Jun 17, 2011 9:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

the days off between series are there to give goalies a break and thus not have to rotate goalies in the playoffs. 10 days of whatever they had should have been enough time for a goalie to mentally cleans. If lou can’t do that the canucks organization should hire a psychologist or something.

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by xX~OG~Xx on Jun 17, 2011 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well

Luongo is a special case.
He likes to have two days in between, thank you very much.

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by AttilaS on Jun 17, 2011 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

This is my thoughts

I think Luongo has actually been a huge net benefit for the team. It’s just we have a fanbase chaulk full of haters who jump on him when the team collectively plays bad.

For every fan like Section who likes Lu but presents a rational argument about why a trade for forwards makes sense, there are, like 5000 fans (one or two here even) who just want to trade him because he doesn’t post a shutout, score a hattrick and dance an Irish Jig every single game.

Honestly, all this speculation is, in my mind, counter-productive. I’d love to see this city rally behind Lu this off season and give him some confidence. Then with some roster space due to pending departures and possible mid-level trades (Raymond?), for GMMG go out and shore up the team a bit on the top-6, or at least present a few options for Kesler. I really think the issue was the fact we had less offensive talent than our stats suggested. A lot of scoring was done by the Sedins and Kesler and when they got hurt, things just dried up.

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by Canuckles on Jun 17, 2011 5:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

agreed

Lou had a few bad games but a lot of those bad games there really wasn’t a team playing in front of him.

lol I was arguing with my grandma (she’s 88 lmao) about this tonight

by BW79 on Jun 17, 2011 9:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh man

So rec’d

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by kesrows on Jun 17, 2011 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hilarious, so gonna try this at my next game

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by xX~OG~Xx on Jun 17, 2011 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

I prefer to use

the “Your sister is ugly” card.

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by AttilaS on Jun 17, 2011 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hahahahahaha, that’s gold!!!

by kiyotok on Jun 17, 2011 3:09 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

holy

fuck

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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jun 17, 2011 9:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

So I posted this on my facebook wall the other day

“If you are a Bruins fan congrats your team deserved to win and I hope you enjoy it. I you are a fan of any other team and you are enjoying the Canucks failure you can fuck right off. And I dare you to say something to my face.”

And for the record no one has said anything to my face.

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by Section 312 on Jun 17, 2011 3:01 PM PDT reply actions  

Don’t you mean “I dare you to say something to my face…book”?

by sunshine and lollipops on Jun 17, 2011 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nope

I literally meant if you see me in the streets say your lame Canuck related beaks to my real face. But as I am sure you know people who troll on the internet, and that includes people I know on Facebook, either don’t like being dicks in real life just on the internet or they don’t have the stones to back up what they say in person.

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by Section 312 on Jun 17, 2011 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Where is that handy dandy sarcasmometer?

by sunshine and lollipops on Jun 17, 2011 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

I really do try to limit what I say on the internet to things I would say face to face.

I know when I’ve crossed a line by hitting enter, then saying “Doh”, then wishing I could find a delete button.

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by kesrows on Jun 17, 2011 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

It’s pretty easy to be a jerk on the internet. You say what you want, wait a while, think of something to say back. Even if you know the person you’re talking to, some people feel like it gives them a veil of anonymity. It’s tougher to be a dickhead in person.

by sunshine and lollipops on Jun 17, 2011 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Truth is I wouldn't do anything

if they did say their shit to my face. Just laugh at them and walk away. But they still wouldn’t do it.

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by Section 312 on Jun 17, 2011 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well I think Ron Burgundy said it best when he said

“Have the courage to say something”.

If you can’t or won’t say it to my face don’t say it. I have told Flames fans I don’t like them to their face so I have no problem doing it online. :-D

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by Section 312 on Jun 17, 2011 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Rec'd because it's so completely, absolutely, true

Daniel Sedin on Mike Milbury: "He made a bad comment about us, calling us women. I don’t know how he looks at women. I would be pretty mad if I was a woman."

by Tink for Nucks on Jun 17, 2011 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hmmm...

Honestly, if it wasn’t the Bruins playing the Canucks, I would have been cheering for the Canucks, so I can’t say I enjoyed how the Canucks lost, even though I’m happy they pulled it off. :)

by I Love Ska on Jun 17, 2011 10:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Luongo has to stay.

Picked up a sweet Luongo painting at silent auction the other night.

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by kesrows on Jun 17, 2011 3:28 PM PDT reply actions  

Actually, said I liked it and wifey picked it up.

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by kesrows on Jun 17, 2011 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Everyone that said lou should be buried in the minors should be stoned to death or thrown in the same asylum as the rioters for their stupidity

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by xX~OG~Xx on Jun 17, 2011 3:37 PM PDT reply actions  

Well that's over the top

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by Section 312 on Jun 17, 2011 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

well maybe a bit of an exaggeration but near the same level as people who believe cheechoo is an elite nhl goal scorer

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by xX~OG~Xx on Jun 17, 2011 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

This final was interesting in general from the vantage point of goaltending-team defense philosophy

Not only did it buck the post-lock out trend, having a team that based its defensive strategy around an elite franchise goaltender, it pitted together two teams that have decided to base much of their fortunes on a franchise goaltender. The diametric opposite of last year’s match-up that pitted a rookie against a waiver wire pick up.

Obviously the debate is not over, as its still obviously possible to ride a franchise goaltender all the way to the final, but anymore that seems to be more the exception than the rule.

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by Detroit Must Die on Jun 17, 2011 3:46 PM PDT reply actions  

I thought about this myself. After last year’s finals, all the talking heads stated you don’t need a franchise goalie.

This season, most of them went deep. I personally thought the previous year was an anomally, but I was a goalie, so I’m gonna say things like that.

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by kesrows on Jun 17, 2011 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

You’re just messed up

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by Semi_Colon on Jun 17, 2011 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think that, at least since the lockout, where the hard cap definitely forces teams with expensive goalies to skimp on other areas of their roster

The serviceable goalie with a great team in front of them is the model that works best. But, as we’ve mentioned these aren’t hard and fast rules, and there is multiple ways to skin a cat.

The reason that Vancouver doesn’t have a top tier defensemen, a Duncan Keith, a Chris Pronger, or a Shea Weber, is because they chose to give that money to Luongo instead.

I am in the camp that tends to think getting a top tier defensemen is better, because such a player can effect so many other facets of the game, but then again, when i played in high school and club in college I was a defenseman.

Am I paranoid? I don't know. I went to a therapist once, but I left before he gave me the diagnosis, cause he had it out for me.

by Detroit Must Die on Jun 17, 2011 10:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Disagree, mildly...
The reason that Vancouver doesn’t have a top tier defensemen, a Duncan Keith, a Chris Pronger, or a Shea Weber, is because they chose to give that money to Luongo instead.

It could also be that there are only three or four of them in the league at any one time. Tough to find, those!

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by Thursday on Jun 17, 2011 11:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

True

but the point remains, Vancouver wouldn’t have the flexibility to afford one

Am I paranoid? I don't know. I went to a therapist once, but I left before he gave me the diagnosis, cause he had it out for me.

by Detroit Must Die on Jun 18, 2011 1:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

We gave enough money to hamhuis and Ballard last season

That we could have afforded anyone. They aren’t available.

by Canuckelhead on Jun 18, 2011 8:44 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

I'm also...

…pretty content with Bieksa/Hamhuis as a top pair.

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by Thursday on Jun 18, 2011 9:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

This

Daniel Sedin on Mike Milbury: "He made a bad comment about us, calling us women. I don’t know how he looks at women. I would be pretty mad if I was a woman."

by Tink for Nucks on Jun 18, 2011 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

i feel

luongo lost some of his alertness over the years. first year in vancouver he was great, at times unbeatable, for long stretches of a season. the next couple of years was pretty good, but not too remarkable. this year at times i feel he’s getting some of his one-unbeatable self back, but most of his saves are of the “read plays and good positionally” variety and less of the “reaction save” variety.

remember how luongo keeps saying he likes to see lots of shots? i feel like it helps his “reaction save” instincts and now that the team is so methodical and so systematic when they play well, he seems to forget as a goalie, especially a 5M one at that, that in addition to making all the routine, boring saves, you have to make your fair share of so-called “reaction saves” when your defense breaks down.

i don’t know if athletes do reaction time tests—these days i imagine they do, especially with concussion protocols now in place—but it’ll be interesting if we have some kind of measure of his reaction time numbers over the years. of course, that alone may not say much, because surely you’re totally focused for a few minutes for some artificial test whereas in a game you maybe not be touching the puck for 5, 10 minutes and you’re totally unprepared when the first puck comes your way.

by Lingyis on Jun 17, 2011 5:20 PM PDT reply actions  

Luongo used to be a maniac in the playoffs. Remember Dallas, Anaheim, St. Louis, LA? Not just ‘good’, but series-stealing. I don’t think he’s less talented than he was then. But he does seem to have lost energy, focus, and athleticism.

That’s part of why I want to see what Schneider can do. Kids still young and full of piss and vinegar. And you need that. Lou obviously isn’t Tim Thomas, who seems to have access to the fountain of youth or something!

by jozsef on Jun 18, 2011 12:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

so you're saying

Maybe Lou needs to play more video games

by canuckgirl on Jun 17, 2011 5:37 PM PDT reply actions  

Doesn’t everybody?

Daniel Sedin on Mike Milbury: "He made a bad comment about us, calling us women. I don’t know how he looks at women. I would be pretty mad if I was a woman."

by Tink for Nucks on Jun 17, 2011 10:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

well

he could get a lot of game 7 experience in Burr’s basement…

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notafullcolon CS: Well obviously I meant we were snorting blow off hookers at the time of the goal

by Canuckles on Jun 18, 2011 8:47 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Team meeting in Burrows’ basement!!
Why didn’t they think of this before!

by Shand on Jun 18, 2011 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Statistically Luongo had his best year

as a Canuck. First year with Melanson and improvement was seen.

And while the Canucks used 13(?) different defensemen this year, the ones that played were healthy. Can’t say the same thing for the SCF. Hamhuis out quick, Rome suspended, Ehrhoff hurt, Edler hurt for the last two games, Ballard was….umm…pissed off and rusty. Add in the injury to Kesler, Hank and whoever else and I say Luongo was left out to dry and he had troubles.

The magical “if” of what if the Canucks were healthy will always be played out in my mind.

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by westy99 on Jun 17, 2011 5:59 PM PDT reply actions  

I'm sure this has been talked about throughout the season (and don't want to rehash anything) but

does Luongo go (regularly or not) to the team psychologist (on the Hawks for example Keith reportedly goes a lot)? The thing about Lu’s problems being between the ears has always struck me as pretty true (but internally, not other teams getting into his head or anything, if that makes sense). As you say, he had troubles when he was left out to dry, and to me, it kind of seemed (especially in the playoffs), when his team isn’t playing well, he loses focus and confidence in the team and himself and that’s where his troubles come from.

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by justforkicks on Jun 17, 2011 6:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

just my opinion, could be way far off here.

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by justforkicks on Jun 17, 2011 6:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

no

its a fair analysis.

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notafullcolon CS: Well obviously I meant we were snorting blow off hookers at the time of the goal

by Canuckles on Jun 17, 2011 7:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

but with supposedly the best D

in front of him? even if there was a stretch of what, 20 games where the D was ravished.

if i actually have the time, doing some statistics to take out effect of the D in front of me would be interesting, but as of now i just don’t feel like his best season as a canuck statistically is too meaningful.

by Lingyis on Jun 17, 2011 8:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Er...

…I think (hope?) you meant “ravaged”, yes?

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by Thursday on Jun 17, 2011 8:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

hah I didn't even notice before, but now its cracking me up

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by justforkicks on Jun 17, 2011 9:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

I mean...

…good for them and everything, but I’m wondering if game time is really appropriate for that sort of thing.

(Side note: Eddie Shore called a meeting of the player’s wives when he owned the Springfield franchise and demanded they stop having sex with their husbands during the playoffs. Players were known to put clauses in their contracts saying they couldn’t be traded to Springfield.)

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by Thursday on Jun 17, 2011 9:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

He meant the D was ravishing in those games. Simply stunning.

GOODBYE LUONGO!

by Twin Terror on Jun 17, 2011 9:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Those unhappy with Luongo...

…will find no goaltender meets their particular needs. Seriously, none. Odd how none of them have mentioned one of the many options Vancouver’s had over the years as an alternative to Lou, but even outside that circle, who do they actually think they’d be happy with?

Tim “I lost my job to Tukka Rask” Thomas?
Chris “Repeated First-Round Losses” Osgood?
Dominik “Happy Wanderer” Hasek?
Patrick “Booed Out of Montreal” Roy?

Th those folks, I have to say Suck it up: Luongo is a good goaltender, and you should be happy he’s on the team. Schneider is as of yet unproven, though he has good potential. Of course, as soon as he’s the starter he’ll become The Enemy Within.

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by Thursday on Jun 17, 2011 9:08 PM PDT reply actions  

this

and just looking at Thomas alone, he almost lost his job again in round 1 and in round 3 with the exception of game 7 he was giving up 4-5 goals a night. He got hot in the finals there is no question and he is a great goalie there is no question but he’s not perfect and has his moments as well

by BW79 on Jun 17, 2011 9:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Do you guys remember Clouts?

Now THAT motherfucker was frustrating and infuriating.

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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jun 17, 2011 9:40 PM PDT reply actions  

No, Clouts' is worse

he pulled that shit in the playoffs and sent me into a rage that was so severe my anger was sent back in time and caused the Chernobyl meltdown.

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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jun 17, 2011 9:57 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Chuckles, Chuckles, Chuckles

It’s time to let Clouts go.

Daniel Sedin on Mike Milbury: "He made a bad comment about us, calling us women. I don’t know how he looks at women. I would be pretty mad if I was a woman."

by Tink for Nucks on Jun 17, 2011 10:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

NEVER

THE MAN WAS A SWISS CHEESE MADMAN WHO TORPEDOED GOOD CANUCKS TEAMS. TEAMS THAT I LOVED. TEAMS THAT COULD HAVE GONE ALL THE WAY. WE WASTED THE BEST YEARS OF NAZZY’S CAREER ON THAT SIEVE MOTHERFUCKER. NAZZY WAS MY FAVOURITE PLAYER AND A FUCKING LEAGUE MVP WITH A WRIST SHOT THAT IMPREGNATED EVERYTHING IT HIT (YES EVEN MEN) AND WE HAD TO BE BACKSTOPPED BY A MAN WHO COULD NOT STOP A SLAP SHOT FROM BEHIND THE FUCKING CENTRE LINE.

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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jun 17, 2011 10:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

sorry I suggested it ; – )

Daniel Sedin on Mike Milbury: "He made a bad comment about us, calling us women. I don’t know how he looks at women. I would be pretty mad if I was a woman."

by Tink for Nucks on Jun 17, 2011 10:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Cloutier didn't lose that series.

Yzerman won it.

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by Thursday on Jun 17, 2011 11:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

We've been over this

I am well aware that Stevie came back from the dead and put his team on his back.

The fact remains I had to watch that incompetent shithead let in that goal from half and he was terrible in the playoffs.

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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jun 18, 2011 12:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

Clouts

had a broken wrist that series. He didn’t cost us the series, but he didn’t win it for us either.

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by Twitchy2010 on Jun 18, 2011 8:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

Why the fuck

was he playing with a broken wrist?

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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jun 18, 2011 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I have never heard that before

not the “WTF”, but that Cloutier was playing with a broken wrist. Makes me think about always taking a deep breath before calling a guy out.

Daniel Sedin on Mike Milbury: "He made a bad comment about us, calling us women. I don’t know how he looks at women. I would be pretty mad if I was a woman."

by Tink for Nucks on Jun 18, 2011 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

This made me laugh hard.
You would have to be pretty hard up to use a goalie with a broken wrist

by Shand on Jun 18, 2011 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

*shrug*

there’s different kinds of breaks in a bone; I don’t imagine they’d all preclude one from playing…much like edler could play with 3 broken fingers game 7 but kesler couldn’t with 1 a couple years ago…different kind of breaks… I saw cloutier shortly after that playoffs and he had a cast on…asked him if he’d had surgery and he said no, it’d been broken for some time.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m no huge clouts fan, but just pointing out a fact.

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by Twitchy2010 on Jun 18, 2011 6:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Fuck that guy

fuck that guy and his shitty goaltending

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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jun 18, 2011 10:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Also true.

It’s a shame that this is the one thing that comes up when there’s so much more to choose from!

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by Thursday on Jun 18, 2011 9:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

the other parts

would make my head explode

"Sometimes grown-ups have low self-esteem and get on guys and say stupid stuff. I think he has to be happy with his career. He did a great job on Long Island. I’m sure he is happy with that" - Captain Henrik Sedin, on Mike Milbury and his comments
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jun 18, 2011 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

if we need a scapegoat, here's one

this baby goat from Beacon Hill Park is named Luongo.

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by missy on Jun 17, 2011 10:49 PM PDT reply actions  

Poor some hair gel all over its coat and the illusion is complete

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by PKSube on Jun 17, 2011 11:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

heheheh.

lots of baby goats named after Canuck players this year.
there were Henrik, Daniel, Marinette and Johanna (the twins and their wives) born back in April.
then on June 5th, there were Alexa, Burrows, Roberta, Luongo and Kesler all born.

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by missy on Jun 17, 2011 11:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

i took pics today, and have been tweeting them this evening.

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by missy on Jun 17, 2011 11:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’d like to see Schneider get equal playing time next season and give the starting job to whoever plays better.

by jozsef on Jun 17, 2011 11:26 PM PDT reply actions  

You see,

this is the problem the Schneider faces. He will never get a chance to prove himself equal to Luongo…unless Luongo gets injured, or goes on a terrible slump.
May be, if Luongo gets a little groin pull and Cory gets a chance to play 5 or 6 games in a row, that could be a good thing after all.

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by AttilaS on Jun 17, 2011 11:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not so sure. We’ll have to wait and see what happens. I think MG’s comment about wanting to keep Schneider for the next 5-6 years is possibly a sign that he is looking at the potential of making a transition. But we’ll have to see what actions occur.

by jozsef on Jun 18, 2011 12:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

Also I’d just like to say, you mention how his regular season performance dipped in 2008, and that he skipped the All Star game and all that. I think you left out a huge piece of context here. His wife was pregnant!

Yeah, he was having a baby, so he was a bit selfish at the end of that season, and played poorly at the end because his mind was understandably elsewhere, and he was understandably tired. You can criticize him for not putting the team above his baby if you want, but at least mention that he was having a baby lol.

It also explains the curtness of his 2008 quote about not really caring about the last game of the season.

by jozsef on Jun 17, 2011 11:40 PM PDT reply actions  

So he gets a pass for skipping multiple games and a performance dip because his wife was pregnant? I can understand if she was having trouble in labor or her life was in danger, but I don’t recall that was the issue. Only issue I remember was she was in Florida and he wasn’t. A pregnancy can excuse a game or two, but not fatigue over the course of a few months.

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by Yankee Canuck on Jun 18, 2011 12:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I think the lack of focus/energy that season was due to his being much more fixated on the pregnancy than on hockey. That was and still is my read on the situation, Lou just plain cared more about what was going on at home and couldn’t keep his head in both places at once.

He virtually said as much back then. Hockey’s just a game, family first, etc etc. I’m not saying it’s acceptable though, I’ll leave that up to individual fans to have their own opinions on. But I do think it’s a pretty major piece of context that should be included, and the explanation for his performance, rather than sophomore slump.

by jozsef on Jun 18, 2011 12:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I think the lack of focus/energy that season was due to his being much more fixated on the pregnancy than on hockey. That was and still is my read on the situation, Lou just plain cared more about what was going on at home and couldn’t keep his head in both places at once.

He virtually said as much back then. Hockey’s just a game, family first, etc etc. I’m not saying it’s acceptable though, I’ll leave that up to individual fans to have their own opinions on. But I do think it’s a pretty major piece of context that should be included, and the explanation for his performance, rather than sophomore slump.

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by jozsef on Jun 18, 2011 12:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

You have to live with the shame

;)

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by Semi_Colon on Jun 18, 2011 8:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

Good piece by Willes.

Hopefully they all learned a lot during this round and don’t do any of it again

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by Semi_Colon on Jun 18, 2011 8:55 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Who would you rather have

Which goalie would you rather have? Every goalie has ups and downs and Schneider will too. Comparatively speaking luongo is the picture of consistency. He let’s in bad goals but so do all goalies. Do you people who wanna start Schneider really think he won’t stink when the team stops playing in front of him during stretches of playoff games? Section I get where you’re coming from and it makes some sense but it’s a huge gamble. The rest of your core is in it’s prime how can you gamble on an unproven goalie when you don’t have to? The real problem, as sean said, is the first line and the money and minutes we have tied up there. I also like how people are talking about the “new model” for winning the cup is having a cheap goalie and using the money somewhere else. You mean like in Boston? So my question to all you luongo haters is who would you rather have? Honestly? If it’s Schneider, which unflappable brick wall do you compare Schneider to? Or do you just hope based on the small sample size that he’s the greatest goalie to ever play and is beyond comparison?

by Canuckelhead on Jun 18, 2011 8:58 AM PDT via mobile reply actions   1 recs

Honestly

I like the tandem goalie duo of Schneids and Luongo,if it’s possible to do that and get us some more oomph in the offense. We have to remember this is the first time THIS team go that far in the playoffs. Now they actually have experienced the grind. I expect some adaptations in Luongo and everyone else. I think they now see why some teams are less concerned about regular season,and winning the prez really can be a double edged sword.I expect AV to spend the summer studying and strategizing on how to get past those big tight D teams.My comment to the Lu is always "the contract is what it is. you have to figure out how to work with what you have. At least Lu tries to get better ( or he seems to )
But, that being said if he stops trying to get better and sit on his money, then yeah he has to go. At some point that contract has to be dealt with, but whether I am ready to say now’s the time remains to be seen i think

by canuckgirl on Jun 18, 2011 11:24 AM PDT reply actions  

One thing you CANNOT doubt about Lu

is his work ethic and commitment to getting better. The man submitted to a complete overhaul of his goaltending style this year. And he was, imo, the better for it.

No goaltender is as good as those who love to hate Lu need the Canucks’ goaltender to be. This town is called a goalie graveyard for a reason. No one is ever, ever good enough.

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by Tink for Nucks on Jun 18, 2011 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

One last word on Lou:

Of the 15 wins he got this playoffs, one was by more than two goals, and even that was a one-goal game well into the third. Considering how… erratic the scoring was, that’s a good thing.

That being said, a goalie cannot win a team games; all they can do, at best, is stave off a loss.

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by Thursday on Jun 18, 2011 1:47 PM PDT reply actions  

Good job Yankee Canuck

this is probably the best and most thorough write up I’ve seen on Luongo, tremendous credit to you and your effort.

On the Schneider situation I’ll be curious to see how that plays out. I would be surprised if his agent wants him to sign a 5-6 year deal right now. He certainly seems to have a lot of potential and I would have to imaging that he could demand even more money in about a year or two so I’d be surprised for his agent to lock him into backup goalie pay for an extended time.

by Scott13 on Jun 18, 2011 5:49 PM PDT reply actions  

so I’d be surprised for his agent to lock him into backup goalie pay for an extended time.

Agreed. I think it’s fair to say that it’s just not happening. No way he goes for it. I still say the kid is gone by next summer.

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by Sean Zandberg on Jun 18, 2011 6:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Take a look at the Boston shot charts for the Nuck victories in the Finals

I saw one of the shot charts (game 5 I think it was) and read stats on the other two. In those Nuck victories, there were very few shots by the Bruins from in close. In the Bruins’ wins, their scoring came (mostly) on breakaways and goal-mouth scrums. In other words, from in close. This suggests that the defense is much more responsible for the victories than the goalie. It also means that when the goalie is left one-on-one or faces a mash of bodies in front of him, he has trouble stopping the puck. I’m not a Lu hater actually, but Thomas, Niemi last year, Fleury in ’09—it seems that these guys made the “extra” save on the breakaway or flashed the pad on a quick shot out of the crowd. Lu makes some of those, but not enough. And apparently, not in key situations.

I think he has to get more “acrobatic” and aggressive. Sitting back in his net more this season also meant the defense was collapsing more. He was protected very well. It looked good on the stat sheet. But while roaming out of the net cost Thomas a couple games, he also was able to make the amazing saves when needed. Lu hasn’t shown enough of that yet. And until he does, teams will keep crashing the net and looking for rebounds because he gives them up freely. Since the Nucks are pretty much “stuck” with Lu, they better get a defensive scheme that keeps everything to the outside ALL the time.

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by Preacher000 on Jun 18, 2011 7:30 PM PDT reply actions  

That's funny

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by Sean Zandberg on Jun 18, 2011 9:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hahaha... that's pretty funny.

Sorry, but it kinda is…

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by davisca on Jun 18, 2011 10:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Unrealistic expectation invite disappointment.

Roberto Luongo is one of the best goalies of his generation. But in hockey-mad, championship starved Vancouver both his accomplishments and his shortcomings will always be exaggerated. At a time like this, when a championship many had come to be regarded as a sure thing (especially after game 2 of the Finals), his shortcomings seem to be all anyone is talking about.

Did Luongo lay an egg in all three games in Boston during the final? Yes, he did.

However, Luongo not only won a gold medal in the Olympics, he not only unseated surefire hall of famer and multiple Stanley Cup champion Martin Brodeur to take the starters job, but he also outplayed tournament MVP Ryan Miller in the championship game (check out the SV% of the two goalies in that game).

As for the finals where he blew it, he certainly did not blow it alone. Take away the goals scored on breakaways and odd man rushes and the numbers don’t look quite so bad. Yes, you do expect your star goalie to stop some of those chances, but not all of them.

Don’t forget, Luongo won three games (two by shutout) in the finals behind a team that scored six goals in seven games. When was the last time a goalie did that? Ever?

by Central Canada Canucklehead on Jun 18, 2011 10:14 PM PDT reply actions  

And don't forget...

…how much pressure it puts on a goalie to know that letting in even one goal will probably cost your team the game. Especially when you are talking about a Stanley Cup Finals game.

by Central Canada Canucklehead on Jun 18, 2011 10:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Also

If your star players score some damn goals those otherwise weakish goals can be counteracted

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by Semi_Colon on Jun 18, 2011 10:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

I thought lu's responses

to questions about how people treat him here during the locker clean out media were top shelf. Guy is a pro, we are without a doubt lucky to have him and lucky that he wants to be here. All the haters can go on hating and jump on and off the wagon all they want, but let’s be realistic, at least here in this little oasis of reason in a stormy sea of herp derp haters… luongo’s the best goalie this team’s ever had and probably in the top 4 goalies playing today.

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by Twitchy2010 on Jun 19, 2011 12:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

Lu isn't the guy I got my hate on this year

I was screaming far more at Erhoff, Rome, Fanner Glass…
I was also less than wonderized by the wonder twins… IMHO. Their line needs some help.

If Lu and the guys can figure out how to lose a little less spectacularly, that would be great.

I hope the whole mgmt team also works on their media policy a bit I think that also hurt this team.Lots of lessons learned this season will be interesting to see how they apply it next year

by canuckgirl on Jun 19, 2011 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

Luongo is a very good goalie,

but you can’t compare goalie statistics across eras, or even decades. They’ve been slowly increasing forever. .900 was once a great save percentage. That is all.

by OzzyFan on Jun 18, 2011 10:22 PM PDT reply actions  

Here's a trade for you:

Lundqvist and Gaborik for Luongo, Raymond, and Ballard.

Lundqvist would probably be throwing up .930 save percentages years repeatedly with your defense and a 60gm/yr schedule. Gaborik is the scoring threat your 2nd line needs(although a rough short contract), and Ballard’s contract is dumped at the cost of Raymond.

Discuss……

by OzzyFan on Jun 18, 2011 10:49 PM PDT reply actions  

Yeah, the Rangers fans were sure calling for Lundquist to be traded after loosing in the first round.

by Kieran gunn on Jun 18, 2011 11:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

They are stupid

and delusional. Lundy is the best player on their team by a mile and is the only reason they make the playoffs.

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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jun 18, 2011 11:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Im not sure

I want Gabby, even though he is a sniper.

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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jun 18, 2011 11:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

fuck gaborik

his buddy demitra was a sniper too…and we all know what a useless bag of dude nipples he was…

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by Twitchy2010 on Jun 19, 2011 12:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

Bag of nipples?

Well played, sir.

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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jun 19, 2011 1:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not just nipples, but Dude nipples!

by Shand on Jun 19, 2011 2:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

WE VANT THE MONEY LEBOWSKI

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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jun 19, 2011 2:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

It will be a self defeating prophesy if the Vancouver fans and Media keep piling it on Lou.

Relying in a goaltender that has less than 25 games experience in the League is not going to win us a cup next year. Luongo could win us a cup next year.

Why is it that an Edmonton reporter has to defend our goalie and not our “homer” guys.
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by Kieran gunn on Jun 18, 2011 11:21 PM PDT reply actions  

that's the problem

it’s really easy to blame Luongo. And there are a ton of fans who like easy analysis and assigning blame, especially if their favourite players are forwards or D.

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by Canuckles on Jun 19, 2011 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

*it's easy

because the goalie is the only player on the team who is also a representation of one position.

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by Canuckles on Jun 19, 2011 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

also

because a shiny red light goes off when he makes a mistake. Some people like their thinky thoughts to come easy!

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by Pseuccubus on Jun 19, 2011 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

I love how people on this shite

I mean site, sorry Sean and Yankee couldn’t resist please don’t ban me, continually imply that blaming Luongo is “the easy way out” or some such bull shit. So your opinion that it isn’t Luongo’s fault is well thought out and reasoned? And others who blame him are just taking the easy way out? Okay then.

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by Section 312 on Jun 20, 2011 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

Everyone deserves blame for the loss

In their own way.
Forwards couldn’t score
Defense couldn’t stop the rushes/keep the puck in on the PP
Luongo couldn’t make all the saves we needed him to.
Also, I know he had two shutouts, but both of those came in games when the defense actually played great in front of him. When the defense doesn’t play great is the time we need him to step up, and he didn’t.

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by Semi_Colon on Jun 20, 2011 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

Who are you referring to? And if it’s me you’re taking what I said out of context

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by Sean Zandberg on Jun 20, 2011 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not referring to anyone in particular

but between you, Vancitydan, Canuckelhead, Canuckles and others I have seen several times a similar refrain. I just don’t like the implication that anyone who is anti-Luongo is either stupid, wrong or just taking the easy way out.

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by Section 312 on Jun 20, 2011 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Stupid: some of the Lou haters, especially the CDC types.

Wrong: EVERYONE who is anti-Lou.

Taking the easy way out: MOST of the Lou haters

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by Sean Zandberg on Jun 20, 2011 7:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

this

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by Canuckles on Jun 20, 2011 8:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Honestly Section

most of the “trade Luongo” types don’t bring up the fact that a) We didn’t handle injuries very well unlike Boston b) we scored 8 goals in 7 games c) Our D looked completely out classed in the final d) Luongo looked excellent in at least 3 games of that series.

So it does come across as “they easy way out” because the discussion focuses on one player who didn’t live up to egregiously high expectations, as opposed to looking at an organization and 26ish other players who didn’t live up to reasonably high expectations. It’s taking a series loss caused by several coincidental failures, happening all at the same time, wiping them under the table and pining responsibility onto ONE member of a team and organization.

Just as I would say that blaming the Sedins alone is an easy way out, I think that piling the amount of blame I’ve seen onto one player, including the goalie, is an easy way out.

Your analysis has been thoughtful and I understand what you are saying, but you also don’t come across as blaming Luongo. But there are plenty of others out there, not so many here, but many in the MSM and CDC, that find an easy narrative in blaming one high profile player, for a loss which was caused by many things. Sure, Lu contributed to that in one or two games. But he also was the reason we made it to 7 games. So by all means, talk about Luongo in the context of making the team overall better, by re allocating salary. But to suggest that Lu is not a big-game goalie or that he’s not as good as Schneider, or that he is a flopper who sucks and that HE is the reason we lost IS an “easy way out.”

That’s my thoughts on this. Take it as you will.

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by Canuckles on Jun 20, 2011 8:47 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

MOVE OVER

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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jun 21, 2011 7:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Luongo's stats don't indicate he "steps it up" during playoffs

So, what do people make of the fact that Luongo is the only ‘top ten’ active goalie whose SV% declines from Regular season #’s to lower during the playoffs. Troubling? I think so.

(sorted by playoff sv%)
Thomas – Reg: .921% (1), PO: .935% (1)…..+ .014
Giguere – Reg: .913% (9), PO: .925% (3)…..+ .012
Kiprusoff – Reg: .913% (9), PO: .921% (4)…+ .008
Brodeur – Reg: .913% (8), PO: .919% (5)….+ .006
Roloson – Reg: .910% (14), PO: .918% (6)…+ .008
Ward – Reg: .909% (16), PO: .917% (7)……..+ .008
Bryz – Reg: .916% (4), PO: .917% (8)…………..+ .001
Miller – Reg: .914% (7), PO: .917% (9)………+ .003

Luongo – Reg: .919% (16), PO: .917% (11)….. – .0034

I’m one of those who are skeptical of the level of influence of ‘clutch’ play… BUT, these numbers do illustrate that Luongo certainly doesn’t play better when it really matters.

Playoff hockey is generally more defensive and lower scoring. This is illustrated by Luongo’s stats (lower GAA+lower sv% = fewer shots against)

This is telling (either Osgood brings it, or Luongo becomes Osgoodian, or both):

Luongo – Reg: .919% (16), PO: .9169% (11th)
Osgood – Reg: .905% (16), PO: .9162% (12th)

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by LawrenceS on Jun 20, 2011 4:37 PM PDT reply actions  

Bah! Goalie stats are team stats, or are most of the time.

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by Sean Zandberg on Jun 20, 2011 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Care to elaborate?

Contrary to what one can read all over the internet, I agree that goalie stats are team stats, somewhat.

Certainly, it makes sense to me that Roloson had a worse sv% on NYI than TB, and this could be attributed to team.

BUT, in this case with Luongo

1. The ‘control’ is pretty solid. It’s career numbers (good sample size) with 4 playoff years.
2. It’s the same team, he wasn’t traded from a fluke group (ie CLB) to Vancouver. It’s four years with a good Vancouver team
3. There is the idea that players don’t influence sv%. I think this is true to an extent, and that extent applies in Luongo’s case. It’s the same systems throughout the year, and the same players. Vancouver didn’t suddenly get worse, but Luo saved less pucks.
4. Again, he is the ONLY one this applies to…. he’s the outlier. If we didn’t see a consistent trend I could agree…. but this looks bad on Lou. Cause every other guy gets better to much better.

The point is that teams DO influence sv% in some ways by style of play, and a more defensive, playoff game will do that. Which is why we see the upswing with all the others. Luongo does face less shots during playoffs, so he is having that benefit as well, but with LOU, the sv% goes down.

Looks like that’s on his shoulders.

by LawrenceS on Jun 20, 2011 7:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Luongo – Reg: .919% (16), PO: .9169% (11th)
Osgood – Reg: .905% (16), PO: .9162% (12th)

So you’re ready to analyze or scrutinize 0.021 save percentage difference?
You can’t tell me that Vancouver’s defence was better than Boston’s in the Finals. Of course team play is relevant to save percentage. The Bruins boxed around Timmy and kept shots to the outside mostly. Timmy had to make the first save and the rebound was cleared out. Was that the case with Lou and Lou’s D?

Vancouver didn’t suddenly get worse,

Well yeah, they did against Boston. Plus Boston got better.

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by Sean Zandberg on Jun 20, 2011 8:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think I may not be communicating this well, cause the point seems to be missed

or maybe it’s not worth it. These are his career numbers, not just the Boston series.

There is an idea abounds that Luongo is a choker, right? (What ever that means)

So, I wanted to investigate. I found that every active top ten goalie sees a drastic upswing in sv% during the playoffs except two: Bryzgalov and Luongo. However, Bryzgalov does see an increase, albeit slight.

So why? Well, normally, playoffs are played tighter and more defensive which then makes sense that it correlates with higher sv%, and it seems that is about .008% of an effect. (.008 over 1000SA is 8 goals or 1.2 wins)

BUT, Luongo over 59 playoff games and 1804 shots against has seen a DROP from his regular season play. Again, the only goalie with this effect.

.9194 – .9169 = .0025 × 1804SA = 4.5 goals. It isn’t a huge distinction, but it is 4.5 more goals in the back of his net than he normally is at.

Additionally, if you take the expected .008 increase from playoff hockey other goalies are seeing and add his decrease of .0025 then the delta is .0105 (19 goals or 3 wins)

It’s just an idea. Perhaps, I’m making a mountain out of a mole hill, but Luongo is the only goalie whose stats are worse on that list.

If we know that the Canucks allow less shots against in the playoffs due to better play, then how would you explain the drop in his play?

by LawrenceS on Jun 21, 2011 8:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

If we know that the Canucks allow less shots against in the playoffs due to better play, then how would you explain the drop in his play?

You are assuming that the quality of shots he faces in the playoffs decreases or stays the same. I don’t think I can prove this, but our D is not exactly stepping it up in the playoffs either.

Also, think about what skews his numbers, generally. Lu will play long stretches of lights-out hockey where 3 goals is an aberration. Then one game comes along where the team shits the bed, he follows a period later and then 2-3 games of a completely craptastic clusterfuck (hey, an alliteration!). These numbers are not a reflection of just average games all the time. They’re a product of bizarre games which seem to just happen to the poor guy fairly rarely, but enough to be a drag on numbers.

Honestly I don’t feel I can contribute anything else. I tend to agree with Section that Luongo seems to need someone to help manage his mental preparation (team psychologist?) so I tend to think that he IS a top playoff performer. I don’t think that any team is “in his head” but that some games he just doesn’t seem to “have it.” When he’s on his game though, man, he’s the best there is.

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by Canuckles on Jun 21, 2011 8:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

It’s just an idea. Perhaps, I’m making a mountain out of a mole hill, but Luongo is the only goalie whose stats are worse on that list.

I understand what you were getting at. I do think you are making a mountain out of a mole hill with your math. We “know the Canucks allow less shots against in the playoffs”? Then let’s talk about quality of chances against because they sure hung Lou out to dry on many occasions…and that includes 3 Chicago series in a row. And yes, he let his guys down at times too. Not saying he didn’t. But I just hate using Save % as a complete look at a goalie. That’s what Craig Simpson was basically doing.
This is just my opinion, Lawrence. I appreciate the visual you are presenting and the work you put into it. Maybe somebody else can chime in here.

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by Sean Zandberg on Jun 21, 2011 9:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

Scoring Chances

I was curious to see if any of the scoring chance bloggers had some good results from the regular season and found that a Capitals blogger tracked the SC final this year.

Make of it as you will, and he does i.d. Luongo as the #1 goat, but I think his analysis of our skaters is right on target.
http://myfriendcorey.wordpress.com/2011/06/18/canucks-bruins-series-recap/

by Kieran gunn on Jun 21, 2011 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Luongo is the Canucks Playoff MVP

3 Star Selections in 26 GP

ROBERTO LUONGO 8
RYAN KESLER 5
HENRIK SEDIN 4
DANIEL SEDIN 3
ALEXANDRE BURROWS 3
KEVIN BIEKSA 3
MASON RAYMOND 2
CHRIS HIGGINS 2
ALEXANDER EDLER 1
JANNIK HANSEN 1
CHRISTIAN EHRHOFF 1
SAMI SALO 1
MAXIM LAPIERRE 1

by Kieran gunn on Jun 20, 2011 9:09 PM PDT reply actions  

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