While We're Waiting...
...Is it too soon to play with next season's roster? After all, there's still plenty o'game to go here, and no-one knows which players will emerge as goats and heroes in the city. (Actually, if Vancouver can pull this off, pretty much everyone on the team is going to have a statue in Stanley Park. We know this, right? I digress.)
In a time of cooler heads, I figured we've all got a few days to kill before the final round (WOO!) starts up, so why not have some fun with numbers?
CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR
FORWARDS
Henrik Sedin ($6.100m) / Daniel Sedin ($6.100m) / Alexandre Burrows ($2.000m)
Mason Raymond ($2.550m) / Ryan Kesler ($5.000m) / Mikael Samuelsson ($2.500m)
Jannik Hansen ($0.925m) / Manny Malhotra ($2.500m) / Chris Higgins ($2.000m)
Victor Oreskovich ($0.650m) / Cody Hodgson ($1.666m) / Maxim Lapierre ($1.200m)
/ Jeff Tambellini ($0.650m) / Aaron Volpatti ($0.612m)
DEFENSEMEN
Alexander Edler ($3.250m) / Dan Hamhuis ($4.500m)
Kevin Bieksa ($4.500m) / Keith Ballard ($4.200m)
Aaron Rome ($0.750m) / Andrew Alberts ($1.250m)
Chris Tanev ($0.900m)
GOALTENDERS
Roberto Luongo ($5.333m) / Cory Schneider ($0.900m)
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(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $61,000,000; CAP PAYROLL: $60,037,499; BONUSES: $850,000
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $962,501
As you can see, I've worked with some basic assumptions:
1) The cap will increase to $61 million flat;
2) The RFAs will take a small, but reasonable, bump to their salaries;
3) Of the UFAs, Erhoff and Higgins will price themselves off the team;
4) No other players exist besides those in the Canucks' system.
As for the others, I went with a combination of what I thought we could keep, who is due for a promotion, and who would stick around, Cup or no.
With goal covered, let's start at the defence. Does Bieksa deserve $4.5 million? No, but I don't think Hamhuis does either, and he's set the high water mark. Erhoff could certainly get that and quite possibly more, so I think that's where he goes. Tanev certainly deserves a full season at this point, and Sauve could just as easily take that #7 spot. If Ballard does get moved (there are seven teams he can designate as "acceptable locations") like I hope happens, then I'm perfectly happy to trade some growing pains from a young defence in exchange for getting young guys some experience.
The forwards are pretty simple, what with the top seven being set. I'd like to keep Higgins, even though I think he's a bit overpaid: he does that "occasionally dangerous" thing really well, and is a pretty solid combination of grit, skill and speed. Oreskovich has played himself into another contract, though only as a fourth liner. Good speed and good size, and he's not an idiot. A little more finish and he'll get a bigger raise, but not before. Hodgson's time has (finally!) come to stick with the big club. As for Lapierre, he's a useful agitator who knows when to bring his game and can be moved up the line-up for limited times, but he can also be replaced and is a RFA. I like Tambellini's speed, and if he could ever get consistency in his game he could move up, but for now he and Volpatti are the 13th and 14th forwards.
Volpatti? Yeah: he's signed, he's a BC boy, and he's steady enough for 5-8 NHL minutes a game, if needed.
Sure there's not much money left over, but all sorts of things could happen here: Bieksa (or Erhoff) could sign for less; Ballard could be traded for someone Vigneault feels like using (Hey! Now there's room for Erhoff!); Manny Mo might not be able to make it back to hockey (erk!); a sudden influx of UFAs offering services for cheap if only they could play for the Stanley Cup winning team (could happen!)...
All told, I'd go into a season with that bunch. How about you?
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I'm hoping the cap goes up the 63M, but here goes.
I’m not entirely convinced there won’t be moves with regards to the goalie, especially since Lack seems like he’s ready for a backup job.
I think Bieska gets at LEAST 4.5M. The way he has played this season, this post-season, he gets at least what Hammer gets. And they form a really good tandem. Given this, I think Ehrhoff is gone, unless he’s willing to take 4.5M also, to stay with a winner. I’ll take Tanev over Alberts any day, and I don’t see Alberts seeing resigned in my opinion. However, I don’t agree with losing too much depth/experience. We have a Stanley Cup level team, and a very limited window. I wouldn’t want a lack of depth to hamper those chances. We need players who can play right now, and thus I will not advocate trading Ballard, especially if Ehrhoff leaves. Salo is an option, but I don’t think he’ll come back if we win. He’ll also have to take a paycut.
I love Higgins, and I think we can make something work if he takes 2M, instead of 3M. Pretty sure Oreo is a RFA, and I’m not worried about his raise, it should be minimal. Hansen should be the biggest priority amongst the forwards, and then Higgins and Lappy.
CoHo’s time is next season. He would be asked to step up, potentially in a 3rd line winger role. This might mean F U Sweden will be asked to play a 4th L role, or the lack of space on the roster might be the biggest hindrance to Higgins being re-signed. I can’t see the franchise playing as a 4th LC.
Gotta love Tambo’s attitude. His streakiness / lack of scoring is a big hindrance for someone who’s only skill set IS scoring makes him somewhat unnecessary to have on the team. With other options available, I don’t think Tambo gets the chance to come back.
If a team in dire need of a goalie gives us an offer we can’t refuse for Ginger Jesus… that’ll probably throw a wrench into my plans. Which is not necessarily a bad thing. Oh well, I’ll worry about it when we get there. Can’t wait till Monday! 4 MORE WINS!
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Salo’s gone, in my opinion. Fine player, and frequently our best D, but he just can’t be relied on to stay in a game, never mind a full season. This is his last contract, I think.
I’m keeping Alberts because he has learned how to play a good, defensive game and we have no one that approaches his size and aggression. He’s not playing now because the Sharks were more vulnerable to the transition game than a bump-and-grind in front of the net, but I think he gets in to the next series. Tanev plays a very different game, one that we have a lot of, and needs a bit of seasoning before hitting the top six.
If Ballard gets traded off, we can keep Erhoff. I’ll take that. But that being said, I think Ballard staying is more likely, especially at that salary. Speaking of which, if Bieksa asks for more than $4.5 million, he’s getting signed somewhere else.
Hodgson’s going to get more ice time when the games mean less – during the regular season – but I think he’ll still start October on the fourth line, with time on the power play to up his minutes. Once he’s shown he can handle the NHL game without the protection of a coach avoiding match-ups, he’ll move up, but for now Samuelsson’s the scoring-line guy.
Part of my decision to keep Tambo is his price, but he could certainly be replaced. I like the speed of that fourth line, though. If he ever gets going (and if Hodgson’s skills emerge) we could be looking at a team made of two first lines and two third lines. That would be pretty dang cool.
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I don’t mind giving him a deal, a 1M/1.5M deal, fully expecting him to just play in the playoffs. I don’t know if he’s willing to do that though.
Alberts is serviceable in the regular season, but not necessary. Although, I agree with you that he might be serviceable against Boston’s big forwards. But then again, wasn’t the Shark’s big bad forwards supposed to beat us up too? That didn’t turn out so well, did it?
We will have to make some sacrifices, and I think Ehrhoff is it. Ballard basically can’t be traded, unless people are willing to chop off an arm and a leg for a top-4 puck-moving defenceman. (Although arguably, basically every team needs one, so there should be a market, it’s just he is currently below market value, and I would loath to give up on him at a lower price than necessary).
I think Hodgson needs to earn his playing time, no doubt, but I like the glimpses that we’ve seen of him so far. If Sammy retires, that’s a whole new can of beans, and we can further massage our cap that way. Hodgson can fit really well as a 2LW, and you can put Hansen/Manny/Higgins on L3. That would be a very solid forward corp.
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by Vancouverguy on May 26, 2011 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions
My thoughts on the 2011-12 roster
CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR
FORWARDS
Henrik Sedin ($6.100m) / Daniel Sedin ($6.100m) / Alexandre Burrows ($2.000m)
Mason Raymond ($2.550m) / Ryan Kesler ($5.000m) / Mikael Samuelsson ($2.500m)
Chris Higgins ($1.800m) / Manny Malhotra ($2.500m) / Jannik Hansen ($1.600m)
Tanner Glass ($0.625m) / Maxim Lapierre ($0.945m) / Victor Oreskovich ($0.605m)
DEFENSEMEN
Dan Hamhuis ($4.500m) / Kevin Bieksa ($4.500m)
Alexander Edler ($3.250m) / Christian Ehrhoff ($4.500m)
Keith Ballard ($4.200m) / Aaron Rome ($0.750m)
GOALTENDERS
Roberto Luongo ($5.333m) / Cory Schneider ($0.900m)
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(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $61,000,000; CAP PAYROLL: $60,258,333; BONUSES: $0
CAP SPACE (20-man roster): $741,667
Assumptions: 61m cap ceiling, 12 forwards, 6 defensemen, 2 goaltenders.
Forwards: Hansen, Higgins, Lapierre, Oreskovich are keepers (in that order).
3 of 4 are RFA and Higgins hasn’t really put up the points to warrant a pricey contract — I would be content if he was signed to about 1.8m.
I’d imagine that Hansen gets a raise, with a cap hit of 1.6m. Lapierre and Oreskovich should be easily negotiable since they don’t score much, if at all. I’d go with their RFA qualifying offers, at 0.945m and 0.605m respectively. Hodgson.. I’m not sold on him cracking the roster. Maybe if Son Of Sam gets injured again.
Glass… as much as I hate his performance these playoffs, he’s supposedly a solid locker room guy. I’m going to leave him there, but he’s easily replaceable if only talent and grit was concerned.
Defense: I’m going to be a bit bold and conservative at the same time — I’m going to say that Ehrhoff and Bieksa will have a combined cap hit of 9 million. 4.5/4.5 each, 5m for Ehrhoff/4m for Bieksa… etc. I don’t think Ehrhoff deserves 5m, but he’s one of the major reasons we had the best power play in the regular season. As good as Edler is, he’s not a power play quarterback yet. He’s simply not as confident with the puck as Ehrhoff is.
Ballard has probably one of the ugliest cap hits on the team, but I don’t see MG losing confidence in him after only 1 season. Ballard and Rome will anchor the 3rd pairing like they have this year (although I wouldn’t be surprised if Tanev assumed control of the 6th spot).
I hate to see Salo go. Unless he can somehow squeeze into a MAJOR home town discount for one last hurrah, I can’t see him wearing the Orca next year. It almost breaks my heart.
Goaltending: Move along. Lack and Schneider have the same cap hit and similar contracts.
Misc thoughts: I really hope the ceiling is above 61 million. Every extra hundred thousand would tremendously help the flexibility of the roster.
Also, we have too many right wingers. Samuelsson, Hansen, Oreskovich, Hodgson (when he’s not playing C, he plays RW)
Hansen
At 1.6M? That’s a pretty big raise.
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Yeah
Hansen was good early in the playoffs and had spurts during the regular season, but otherwise has been as billed. About $1MM seems to be his price point.
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notafullcolon CS: Well obviously I meant we were snorting blow off hookers at the time of the goal
That’s what I think too
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
"You can't come in my kitchen, kick my dog, and take a box full of ballpoints! Your ass must be crazy!"
He's been consistent
Never takes a shift off, always deadly on the forecheck, and produces a fair amount of offense (about 0.35 points per game) while facing mostly difficult opposition. Most important of all he has a good amount of upside; he has improved almost every year.
If he gets signed to an offer sheet by some other team, it would be deja vu with the 2006 Kesler situation.
+1
eightyseven will agree also.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on May 26, 2011 7:44 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't think
he is anywhere near the talent level of Kesler though.
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notafullcolon CS: Well obviously I meant we were snorting blow off hookers at the time of the goal
Someone will offer him a relatively big contract
if we win the cup. Someone always does. I can see him getting 1.6 and to be honest I can see Bieksa being offered more than 4.5 by the Wings. I think its impossible to rosterbate until we know if we win or not. If we win we’re going to lose more guys because people will always overpay for a guy from a winning team. All these projections are pretty optimistic and only taking into account what the canucks will pay but there’s teams with more cap space that will be willing to fill it with a guy like Bieksa. To be honest, I wouldn’t be surprised if he gets priced out of Vancouver. At some point GMMG is going to have to have a ceiling for how much he’s actually worth and someone will be willing to pay more. That probably goes for most of our FA and UFA’s. We won’t have the cap space to make offers to our UFA’s that will make their agents happy. The good news is GMMG has always found ways to find support players for cheap and I’m sure he will continue to find a way.
by Canuckelhead on May 26, 2011 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions
Gillis also
has a track record for keeping guys at below market value on the cap hit (Kesler, Luongo, Sedins, Hamhuis), so don’t underestimate his ability to keep a few of our key players this off season appealing to their loyalty and the support structure of the organization. We will likely lose a few though, but I don’t see us losing Bieksa or Hansen and I think Higgins and Lapierre are decent return bets. No idea about Hoff or Torres though and I think Salo is gone, retirement if we win it, to another contender (detroit, anyone?) if we don’t.
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notafullcolon CS: Well obviously I meant we were snorting blow off hookers at the time of the goal
I could care less about Torres
He’s caused us quite a bit of grief this year. And he’s wildly inconsistent.
he’s also been extremely important in the playoffs, and getting moreso as the canucks go deeper. if the canucks lose him they’ll be well served to find another big hitter that can skate just like him.
Yeah
Despite his over aggressiveness at times, he has been a very useful contributor in this run. Hopefully someone like Oreskovich or Volpatti can grow to be a homegrown replacement – but I don’t know if they’re ready for it yet
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Oreshkovich seems to be built like Torres
but he definitely doesn’t have the consistent edge about him yet. Nor can he be counted on, yet. I’m hoping to see him grow into Torres. A big guy who hits anything that moves.
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by Vancouverguy on May 26, 2011 9:51 PM PDT up reply actions
There's people offering more
And then there’s players taking less to be in Vancouver. Look at Hammer. Got offered 5mil, took less to come to Van. It’s completely within the realm of possibility that even if we win it all Bieksa takes less to stay here
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"You can't come in my kitchen, kick my dog, and take a box full of ballpoints! Your ass must be crazy!"
And honestly
If a player is taking a contract “because it makes his agent happy” then they’re just dumb.
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
"You can't come in my kitchen, kick my dog, and take a box full of ballpoints! Your ass must be crazy!"
It's not about making your agent happy
But you’ve got a a hyper intelligent person telling you all the reasons why at 30 you should be looking at the big contract. Especially after an off season where the teams actions can be interpreted as a bit of a dis. Look, I have no idea. I’m just saying don’t get your hopes up and I’m also saying that al the UFA’s and FA’s will be looking at fat raises should we be lucky enough to win the cup. So the standard logic you guys are all applying to the raises won’t be accurate. Go look at the raises players from Stanley Cup winning teams got. It’s almost always ridiculous in hindsight.
by Canuckelhead on May 26, 2011 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions
The information recently provided in the papers about the way the team dealt with Bieksa in the offseason suggests that it was explicitly conveyed to Bieksa that it was not a dis and the organization was committed to him.
Clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose.
So again
Where was that 3.5 million going to come from?
by Canuckelhead on May 26, 2011 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions
Salo
won’t come back?
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notafullcolon CS: Well obviously I meant we were snorting blow off hookers at the time of the goal
Or keep Salo in the AHL?
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by Vancouverguy on May 26, 2011 9:51 PM PDT up reply actions
ummmmmmmmmmmmm
don’t see that happening. Plus waivers?
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notafullcolon CS: Well obviously I meant we were snorting blow off hookers at the time of the goal
I always forget that waivers is necessary going down…. hm…
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by Vancouverguy on May 26, 2011 10:42 PM PDT up reply actions
for Salo
necessary coming up too.
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notafullcolon CS: Well obviously I meant we were snorting blow off hookers at the time of the goal
Well, if that happened in the playoffs, then the point is moot, no?
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by Vancouverguy on May 27, 2011 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions
Haven't considered that yet
Probably Volpatti as an extra forward and Tanev as the extra D. Hodgson only if he gets a top 9 role.
We have to get Hodgson onto Manny’s line; no reason to have him stuck on the 4th line. They tried that already and it doesn’t help his development. Assuming he comes to camp and earns that right. Also assuming Hansen stays that means Torres is gone. For all we know they may need to make room for Rodin or B. Sweatt.
Keep Lappy, drop Glass. Keep Tambo and Oreo and let them battle it out in camp. If Vancouver goes all the way, I’d love if Samuelsson retired (a few cups, nothing left to prove, prone to injuries, quality of life, yadda yadda yadda). You have a nice problem if they can retain him and Higgins, but I prefer Higgins at this point. Higgins may also want to return east, same thing he apparently said after last season in Calgary.
Salo is definitely gone. I don’t see Ehrhoff returning unless he takes a discount. MG will get Bieksa done before UFA hits. How they replace Ehrhoff (L. Sweatt is the most logical but Sauve & Connauton had looks this year) could be the biggest question.
I hope they keep Schneider another year, but you have to move him if they can get a high pick or prospect in return.
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Replacing Ehrhoff
Don’t forget Ballard has offensive upside, he just hasn’t been used in that role here because… well… um….
Anyways, not sure how he matches up against Sweatt/Connauton, but couldn’t Ballard slot in there?
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notafullcolon CS: Well obviously I meant we were snorting blow off hookers at the time of the goal
No one will replace Ehrhoff, but we know Ballard can slot in with Edler and things should be fine. Bottom pairing should at least be Tanev. Even Tanev and Rome is dependable though not as sexy as Ballard/Salo obviously.
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by Yankee Canuck on May 26, 2011 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions
Salo and sexy
In the same sentence doesn’t seem right.
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
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whatchu talkin 'bout foo
Salo is teh sexeee beast!
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notafullcolon CS: Well obviously I meant we were snorting blow off hookers at the time of the goal
I really think
Bieksa will re-sign here, and as you say, will do it before July 1st. From listening to his quotes throughout the playoffs, there’s a lot of talk about “doing it with this group of guys who have been together for 7 years”. I really doubt he’s going to leave now. Especially with pretty much all of the core signed long term.
And even though people mention the trading thing this year – I really doubt the organization didn’t want him. All of that trade talk was from the media/fans, and Bieksa would always keep saying “that’s not what I’m hearing” and “they’ve told me they want to keep me”
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"You can't come in my kitchen, kick my dog, and take a box full of ballpoints! Your ass must be crazy!"
Bieksa is cut from the Burrows/Kesler mode. All grew up in the org, all believe in the system they have and all are enjoying their young careers spiking at the same time (complimented by those Art Ross hogs and that joker in the net). This is the Detroit model MG was hoping for: you want players to sign here for cheap and you don’t want your core thinking UFA is a better option than the team.
That latter point is also why Ehrhoff I think leaves. Not doubting his ability, I just think he has a different outlook.
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by Yankee Canuck on May 26, 2011 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions
I would agree
With respect to Ehrhoff. Didn’t come up through the system with the guys, so wouldn’t feel the same loyalty to stay. Wouldn’t be surprised if he ended up in Detroit
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"You can't come in my kitchen, kick my dog, and take a box full of ballpoints! Your ass must be crazy!"
Can you imagine Lidstrom and Ehrhoff swapping places on the PP like Lidstrom and Rafalski did? Ugh.
I could also be completely wrong. Maybe Ehrhoff has bought in and we just don’t know it. Either way, losing Juice is worse than losing Ehrhoff.
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by Yankee Canuck on May 26, 2011 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions
If he has, and re-signs at lower than market I’d be pretty pumped. But yeah, Juice higher than Hoff on the re-sign list. That Hammer-Bieksa pairing is just too solid to break up, and I think is greater than the sum of its parts
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"You can't come in my kitchen, kick my dog, and take a box full of ballpoints! Your ass must be crazy!"
I think Hansen may be part of that Kesler/Bieksa/Burrows mold too. Vancouver has certainly dicked him around in the past (one way or two way deals) but the coaching staff stuck with him and he’s really become a vital piece. A really pleasant story.
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by Yankee Canuck on May 26, 2011 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions
I wouldn't say they dicked around with him
He was just in no-man’s land as a replaceable part…much like grabs was, but with less current skill. This is why the grabner trade made so much sense to me; we’ve got a few guys of similar ilk at various skill levels, and money said keep hansen cuz he’s cheaper and you can’t let go of raymond there. Hansen was on two way deals because it fit his skill set and the role he performed…obviously he’s not in that space any more and he’s ready to become part of the core. He’s our next burrows in my opinion.
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by Twitchy2010 on May 26, 2011 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions
You know
I wouldn’t be surprised to see the Hoff back here with Juice. Every time you ask the guy about Vancouver, he says he absolutely loves the city and wants to stay here. I don’t know if he has the loyalty juice has, but I think he certainly wants to stay. His willingness to take a pay cut to stay will be a good test of Gillis’ stated goal of building an organization which players want to play for and are willing to take less to come here/stay.
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As much as I want to agree...
Basically every player with a contract negotiation coming up says the same thing though. Ehrhoff doesn’t seem like that “type” to me.
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by Vancouverguy on May 26, 2011 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions
yeah true
he just seems like such a nice, polite guy. While his fanboy troll was a complete nut job, he was right about Ehrhoff being a great guy.
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by sunshine and lollipops on May 31, 2011 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions
The organization didn't trade Bieksa
the Fans did.
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notafullcolon CS: Well obviously I meant we were snorting blow off hookers at the time of the goal
The organization sent a pretty clear message though
Who do you think they would have traded if Salo didn’t get hurt? That’s an honest question. They wouldn’t have had the cap space to keep someone, so who? Bieksa may want to stay here now but wait until the summer when he has an agent talking to him and teams like the Leafs ready to give him buckets of money the Canucks can’t afford. He’s 30 in June, this is probably THE big contract of his career.
by Canuckelhead on May 26, 2011 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions
What message?
When did the organization EVER say anything about who was going to get traded? It was all media and fan speculation. Gillis always said he stood by Bieksa, and Bieksa said they told him the same thing.
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
"You can't come in my kitchen, kick my dog, and take a box full of ballpoints! Your ass must be crazy!"
C'mon, Bieksa is a team guy
So he said what needed saying but you could tell from his interviews in the summer he knew what was going on. Why can’t you answer the question, how would they have kept him if Salo hadn’t got hurt? Where would that 3.5 million have come from otherwise? Bieksa was ragged by the fans, the media and then the team went out and got his replacement and he knew all of that. We’re just lucky that a guy who had roughly the same salary got hurt.
by Canuckelhead on May 26, 2011 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions
Why can't I answer the question?
Because I can’t. How would they have kept them all? No clue.
Would have been Bieksa gone? Maybe. Maybe it would have been Salo himself. We have no clue.
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So you are saying you don't believe that management told him that he wasn't going anywhere?
…as has been recently widely reported?
That’s fine, I just don’t really understand why (or what the point would be) in simply ignoring that statement from the team.
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It's easy to say now
But it was obvious in the summer who the odd man out was and even Bieksa knew it. I remember him saying “I’m not stupid” or something to that effect when asked if he thought he was getting moved. I don’t know why you guys are being so naive now Bieksa and GMMG aren’t buddies, it’s a business and of course they are going to make any statement now to start preparing to re-sign one of their best assets. There was nowhere else that money could have come from. Simple. Look, I hope I’m wrong. I am one of the few who can say I have always been a Bieksa fan. I’m just saying there’s a lot of reasons why it won’t be hard to convince him to take big money.
The other thing is
Bieksa is the most prolific defenseman on the western conference champions at least, he’s unrestricted and he’s in his prime with the very real possibility that this is the beginning of his prime. It’s entirely possible that people are going to offering 6.5 or more. So the Canucks might be asking him to leave 2 million or more a season over what will probably be a long contract on the table.
No way he gets Weber money. He’s good, but not THAT good.
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by Vancouverguy on May 26, 2011 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions
What's Weber money?
We don’t know yet. Phaneuf make 6.5 and I don’t think it’s hard to argue after this playoffs that Bieksa is at least as valuable as Phaneuf.
by Canuckelhead on May 26, 2011 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions
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Hmmm. Bieksa in middle of a move because of renos, Sounds like he expects to sign a contract extension.
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or expecting a big gain from the
real estate market rising again? i sure hope not. i would love to see bieksa in a nucks jersey for the rest of his career. with the talent the core has, this team will be a contender for a while, as long as we can manage the cap….and yea thats gonna take some players taking a cut
This year
should be a bit looser on the UFA bidding.
High profile UFAs this summer:
Wisniewski
Kaberle
Pitkanen
Hamrlik
White
Greene
Brewer
Jovo
Hannan
Gill
That being said, I’m entirely confident in our management team. They know what it takes to get to the finals. and Bieksa as a Canuck for the foreseeable is a priority.
No
you got him.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on May 26, 2011 7:44 PM PDT up reply actions
that’s the list of available dmen and ehrhoff is clearly better than all of those guys. so’s bieksa for that matter. think there won’t be some bidding going on if they get to july 1?
btw, isn’t markov a free agent this year too?
I was just thinking
It’s possible I’m projecting my feelings about the fan base on the Canucks. At the beginning of the season I had to defend Bieksa from countless angles. When I would bring up his good points or how he missed a lot of time and how that might have affected him I would be told politely and sometimes not so politely how wrong I was people piling on to say what a terrible player Bieksa was. Now some of those same people who ragged on Bieksa all last year and to start this year expect him to take a “hometown discount”? F-U. If he does agree to less money to stay it will be no thanks to the fans and that’s a little sad since he’s a Canuck product.
Well
if bieksa goes elsewhere because we (yes WE, I was admittedly one of the detractors too) got on his case a bit, I’d have to wonder a bit. These guys take heat from their fanbase all the time. Shit, the sedins took it for so long, and then they performed and then disappeared a bit for a few games ( A FEW GAMES! Not half a season!) and took it some more… no, vancouver (heck probably any canadian team except ottawa plus detroit and minnesota) players can take heat from the fan base just fine. They probably don’t ever venture to a place like this, and we’re probably the least ‘sky is falling’ fan community the canucks have.
Many of us here rode bieksa pretty hard. It didn’t matter that he’d been off for a while, we were up against a cap wall and he was performing below expectations…makes him an easy target. When someone in that unenviable position makes mistakes, they become magnified. Obviously he’s turned that around and made us eat crow… I don’t think there’s a single former AntiBieksanite who hasn’t come back around, and many of us have accepted and admitted we made the wrong call. That’s also why we aren’t the GM… and I’m pretty sure the players and management get that. So, no if he goes elsewhere it won’t be because of the heat he took.
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I didn’t mean to suggest that he would go somewhere else because of the heat he took. Just that he might not take less money to stay here. You mention other fan bases but few, if any, are as neurotic as Vancouver’s. Look at the way Luongo gets dissected . The guy is nominated for a Vezina this year and has been stellar most games in the playoffs and still people second guess every f’n goal. Look at the heat the Sedins took in the Nashville series. Everyone is suddenly questioning if they can play in the playoffs again when it’s clear they are playing injured against a team they already don’t matchup well against. Ridiculous. Just last year everyone was still saying Burrows didn’t have an extra gear for the playoffs. If it was me I don’t know if i’d take take less money to play in this market. I hope he does but I would understand if he doesn’t. Especially since we may never know what was really said last summer. It certainly looked bad. I will say, this market might change if we do end up winning the cup.
by Canuckelhead on May 26, 2011 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions
make no mistake
The only way he stays is if he takes less money. We just don’t have the cap space to give him what someone is bound to offer after this playoffs.
by Canuckelhead on May 26, 2011 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions
This is like the Gonchar situation over at Pittsburgh.
They win the cup, he wants more money, and management tells him to take a hike.
Ends up babysitting the kids in Ottawa.
and being the bane
of my fucking Sens fan existence now that Kovy is gone. Fuck you Murray, you idiotic “derp I sign old players to terrible contracts” fuck.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on May 26, 2011 7:45 PM PDT up reply actions
All of this is without considering which free agents may be available, or how much Vancouver is going to become a destination after this season, either. Our top seven are set, but we can build a darn fine third/fourth set, too.
To me, the defense is where the off-season gets interesting.
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Going this deep into the playoffs, this sort of rosterbation is all of a sudden more interesting than worrisome.
We will employ Juice next year, and we will contend for the cup once again, imo.
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Re: Rosterbation
I think because of the kind of city Vancouver is (more of a European style city, laid back) and the ideals the team is building itself on, Vancouver is going to become a primo destination for FA’s in the coming years. When other players hear how the team cares for each other and how they all enjoy playing here, it becomes something that is beyond the $$.
I work somewhere that I enjoy working because the atmosphere is great. I could make more money somewhere else, but I enjoy my lifestyle here. I think this could very well be the same for the players and could play a factor into signing/resigning players.
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