Daniel and Henrik Sedin - Playoff performers
by camcharron on May 13, 2011 12:17 PM PDT
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PrintThat devilish James Mirtle: In his look at the depth chart of the Final Four teams, Mirtle had Ryan Kesler on the Canucks first line and Henrik on the second despite, well, the Sedin line holding both of the two most recent NHL scoring champions and Henrik Sedin plays slightly more at even strength than Kesler does (17.1 minutes/60 to 16.9 minutes/60).
I wrote that post earlier this week about how Ryan Kesler's offensive performance may have been overstated thanks to his elevated shooting percentage in the close-out games of the series. Similarily, this post here will be about how Daniel and Henrik Sedin have found themselves victims of variance through Round 2. Copper n Blue have touched on this already in their series review and, like I brought up earlier this week, they make the same point about how the Sedins dominated their Nashville counterparts in possession, despite being a combined minus-whatever.
Regular season on-ice shooting percentage, EV:
Henrik Sedin - 10.59%
Daniel Sedin - 10.96%
Playoff on-ice shooting percentage, EV:
Henrik Sedin - 6.60%
Daniel Sedin - 6.31%
Regular season on-ice shooting percentage, PP:
Henrik Sedin - 17.91%
Daniel Sedin - 17.85%
Playoff on-ice shooting percentage, PP:
Henrik Sedin - 16.22%
Daniel Sedin - 15.79%
The powerplay numbers are not as distinct as the even strength numbers. A 4.7% gap, at a conservative estimate of eight shots a game over 13 playoff games, lies between four and five goals. As Reynolds points out in the Copper n Blue post, "they [the Sedins] certainly haven't been able to count on a save from their goaltender" and the twins PDO [ EV Sh% + EV Sv% ] lies at comically low numbers of 92.1% for Henrik and 90.7% for Daniel. The twins are going up the third round against a goalie who has pretty mediocre career numbers against Vancouver (4-4 with a .901 save percentage, including playoffs) and keep in mind he was shelled in last year's playoffs as well, just not to the extent Luongo was by the Blackhawks.
Finally, here's a graph of Daniel Sedin's 10-game weighted shooting percentage compared to Ryan Kesler's:
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Daniel finds himself at 6.7%, despite being 15.4% on the season and 12.5% over his career. He truly has been remarkable this playoffs, with 6 goals in 13 games having run into two hot goaltenders.
As I brought up in the comments section of the Kesler post, if that was Trevor Linden and not Henrik Sedin clearly playing through pain and dominating territorially as the Sedins have been doing, the national and local media would be loving him for it.
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Nice work, Cam. I am expecting a much better round 3 outta them. But wow, they are going to be roughed up and beaten all over again against the bigger Sharks team.
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As I brought up in the comments section of the Kesler post, if that was Trevor Linden and not Henrik Sedin clearly playing through pain and dominating territorially as the Sedins have been doing, the national and local media would be loving him for it.
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I think at this point they have 1A and 1B lines. Obviously the Sedins, Kesler and Burrows are going to get the bulk of the ice time.
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split them up!
so we can find out if daniel sedin is also injured.
Boo! Hiss!!
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by Sean Zandberg on May 14, 2011 12:18 AM PDT up reply actions
yeah, but
I agree with the apparent conclusion – the hope that it all should even out this round – however I do have an issue with how you got here. I see no point in discussing shooting percentages in the context of one game, or even several. Stating that “Ryan Kesler’s offensive performance may have been overstated thanks to his elevated shooting percentage in the close-out games of the series.” is a bit disingenuous. Every game that a player scores a goal in will mean that his pct is too high for that game. Every game he doesn’t score we could state that his pct will eventually balance out. Shooting pct, maybe more than almost any other stat, has little relevance in such a small sample.
That’s why I went with the 10-game weighted average. The ups and downs aren’t as noticeable as they are game-to-game. Reynolds already did the scoring chance and Corsi leg-work, and I think it’s safe to say that the Canucks offense will turn around once they hit a goalie who doesn’t have a black hole of a glove hand.
Well, Niemi can also stand on his head unfortunately.
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The twins are going up the third round against a goalie who has pretty mediocre career numbers against Vancouver (4-4 with a .901 save percentage, including playoffs) and keep in mind he was shelled in last year’s playoffs as well, just not to the extent Luongo was by the Blackhawks.
Niemi had a .949 save percentage in Round 3 last year. He was terrific against San Jose.
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by Sean Zandberg on May 14, 2011 12:18 AM PDT up reply actions
Great work. For what its worth with such a small sample, Hank and Daniel have also played against better competition (going by the playoff corsi).
They saw a lot of Weber-Suter.
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by James Mirtle on May 13, 2011 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions
And Keith-Seabs.
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Got the call to the big leagues!
by Vancouverguy on May 13, 2011 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions
I heard that Bolland had their number.
So don't get violent and don't get caught with your head down, the night she stole the moon.
by thelastjohnny on May 13, 2011 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions
hey all
Sharks fan.
Firstly, I’m hoping for a great series with some great hockey.
Secondly, I’m hoping for a Sharks victory.
That said, I think “your” video is false advertising a bit (it’s not your fault the youtuber got it wrong). Yes, the Orca is taking out a Shark, and that’s pretty awesome, but the Shark in that video isn’t a Great White, despite what the youtube poster wrote. The announcer never says it’s a Great White, and the nose shape of the shark in the video is definetly not the nose shape seen on a Great White. The guy who put the video in his blog was also confused a bit by the video title.
Ppl don’t usually believe me about these things, but I’m an amatuer naturalist of sorts, and I’m attuned to these kinds of differences. :] It’s cool. I’m used to it. Just thought you might want to know.
http://www.wildanimalfightclub.com/lion-fight-tiger-vs-gorilla-attacks/bid/10467/
(just compare the nose shape of the Shark in the photo at the top of the blog to the shape, which is quite triangular and highly placed above a huge mouth, to the much smaller nose which is really just an extension of the body of the shark in the video). Don’t get me wrong, it’s still pretty cool, and the shark it takes down (with help?) is pretty big, but not a Great White.
Cheers. :)
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it’s a Mako… but I think were splitting hairs. Your team is the Sharks. Orcas kill sharks.
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by Thesocialmit on May 13, 2011 6:06 PM PDT up reply actions
There is a really good one
Here showing them hunting everything but Sharks.
Thats here Seems CA2 is a “known shark eater”. LOL. Best line is “one less shark in the killing zone”.
I think that’s the area behind the net.
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Awful news: Derek Boogaard was found dead today in his Minneapolis apartment by members of his family. He was 28. #mnwild #nyrangers
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by Chuckles Canuckles on May 13, 2011 7:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Very sad news. No matter the circumstances that is far too young to pass away.
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by Yankee Canuck on May 13, 2011 7:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Nice post
Your pretty graphs and complex formulas make me wish I had taken math beyond Grade 11. Nonetheless, I think I get the gist of it. I am expecting a big series from the Twins. Can’t wait.
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