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Line Report Card and Scoring Chances; Game 3

It won't be the scoring, goaltending, or anything else that will be talked about tomorrow. It will be Raffi Torres.  AV called it "not even a penalty", and Quennville called it "brutal". At first blush, I was in AV's camp, but I just don't know anymore!  I do see both sides, and in today's new NHL, it is likely that Raffi will be suspended again.  He did look to get the head.

That's OK, Cody Hodgson looked good in his time the first two games. Ahhhh depth.

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Let's break it down.

Star-divide

The forward lines

Vancouver - The Sedins may just be the most efficient players in the NHL.  We know how they make the most of their ice time, and both of them were in around 18 minutes once again. ( Daniel 17:29, Henrik 18:34 ) Burrows was in at just under twenty minutes, but 4:13 of that was on the PK, where he was once again excellent. Daniel a goal and an assist( on 3 shots ), Henrik 2 assists, and he helped set up his "after the PK" linemate Samuelsson for the game winner. Point deductions for stupid penalties. 8.5/10.

Chicago - Rookie Ben Smith was rewarded for his production with a move to the top line, which tonight consisted of him, Toews, and Kane. They were buzzing all night, and were aided by 6 power plays ( 1 a two man advantage for over a minute ) Captain Serious had two assists, including a super faceoff win on Keith's opening goal, and Kane had several great chances that were shut down by Luongo. Toews had 4 shots, Kane 3 ( and missed 2 ), and looked dangerous all night. Smith had no shots, but was credited with 4 hits. 8/10.

Vancouver - Ryan Kesler is continually showing what a complete hockey player he is. Proof? 6 shots, 3 hits, 3 blocked shots, and a whopping 5:03 of SH TOI in his 18:31. Took 27 faceoffs, and won 13 of them. Higgins 1 shot and 2 hits in his 15:03 TOI, to go with solid work against the Hawk stars.  Welcome back FU Sweden. 15:14 TOI, a goal,2 shots, a hit and 2 blocks. You get extra for the GWG and the great PK work by Kes'. 9/10.

Chicago - I think it was Hossa, Stalberg and Frolik that were the second line for the home team. Q' does mix them up, but lets go with those guys.  Uneven. Hossa was more of a force, but mainly on the power play, and finished with 2 shots, 3 hits, and 1 takeawy. His linemates? Stalberg finished with 2 shots, and 3 hits in his 14:49 TOI, which was 4:14 less than Hossa.  Frolik had 3 shots, 3 hits, and was 7 for 14 in the F/O circle. Lets say a 6.9/10.

Vancouver - Ahhh yes, the 3rd line. Raymond moved to centre, the Great Dane, and the erstwhile Raffi Torres.  Well, Raffi returned form suspension, and may just go right back on the shelf with his borderline hit. Raymond only had 1 shot, and was 50% on 8 draws.  Hansen had 2 shots, 1 block, and 2 hits in his 14:07. ( Raymond had 14:01 TOI, while Raffi was only on the ice for 9:07, sitting part of the 3rd ). Hansen and Raymond get extra points for playing well on the PK. 7/10.

Chicago - The 3rd line.  The repository for extra parts, and whatnot. Tonight it was Sharp with Kruger and Brouwer, most of the time. Sharp had the most ice of the three, with 5:22 of his 17:18 TOI being on the power play. He scored a nice goal with the extra man.  Sharp also had 4 shots, 2 hits, and went 5 for 9 on the dot. Brouwer had 3 hits, but only one shot. Kruger? Well, he won 1 of 3 F/Os he took, but that's it. 6.8/10.

Vancouver - You can see that Lapierre is slowly getting more responsibility.  His ice time went up in the 3rd as AV juggled his lines to hold the lead, sitting Torres, and putting Lapierre between Raymond and Hansen. 3 hits and 2 for 4 in the circle. Solid defense, along with Glass. Oreskovich had a penalty and 3 shots on goal, but was somehow judged to have no hits. I think I saw him hit some people out there. Meh. 7.2/10.

Chicago - Oh Quennville.  I get starting Dowell, and of course Pisani, but John Scott? Well, he was credited with 3 hits in his 5:02 TOI, but took a dumb penalty that resulted in Ehrhoff's goal. Pisani had 3 shots, and Dowell was credited with 2 hits. He did go win 4 of 5 draws though. 6.7/10

Blueliners ;

Vancouver - Lets do it a little different tonight, and just throw all six together. Both coaches do that anyhow.  Big minute man was Edler, and he was great, with 4 of his 25:27 being on the penalty kill.  Nice line. 1 assist, plus 1, 2 blocked shots, 2 hits, and 3 takeaways. His smart play led to Daniel's goal.  Next was Bieksa, at 24:10, with 3:39 being SH.  A little less great, with 4 hits, and an assist, but 3 giveaways, an ill advised penalty, and no blocked shots. Hamhuis clocked in at 23:19, led the blue line with 5 hits, and was mainly solid in his own end. Ehrhoff? Well, a goal does not hurt, and neither does an assist. He had 3 shots, and 2 hits, but did take a penalty.

Salo was once again solid, with his 17:04 being taken up by :34 on the PP and 3:34 on the PK.  He was very good in his own end.  Ballard was the low man minutes wise once again, with 9:10, and 1 hit. He was not THAT bad though!  Lets give the whole blue line a 8.6/10.

Chicago - Quennville changed his pairings up, with Leddy jumping up to join Keith, and Campbell and Seabrook together at the start. When we look at Keith's 25:42 TOI ( a whopping 6:55 on the PP ) compared to Leddy's 15:46 ( 1:40PP ), its obvious that the big guys were getting mixed and matched. Keith had a goal on a howitzer shot. Totaled 4 shots and 2 hits, but was also a -1. Seabrook seemed to shake off the big hit from Torres to tally 21:40 TOI, and had 3 shots, 2 blocks, and 3 hits. Campbell? Well, he was on the ice for 22:02, and had 1 blocked shot, was a -1, and took a penalty that took his team off the power play. Not good enough for 7.2 million.

Campoli had 1 shot on goal, 2 hits, and a takeaway in his 16:13 TOI. But was I the only one that noticed him being down low too much, leading to his team having to defend odd man rushes the other way? 7.9/10.

 

Masked Men ; 

Luongo - What more to be said?  He could not really be blamed for either goal, made 30 saves, and might just be in Kane's head ( oh, the irony! ) after robbing the sniper in close twice. He was a monster on the two man disadvantage, making one of those big saves on Kane then, and another on a labeled Sharp shot.  It looked like he may have been forcing the Hawks to look pass instead of shooting a few times. Always a great sign. 9/10.

Crawford - Another game where he was "not bad", but just not good enough.  May have been at fault on the Ehrhoff goal, and was definitely swimming around the crease on the Samuelsson backhander for the game winner.  He did rob Kesler on a shorthanded breakaway. Tough to fault him on Daniel's goal, though maybe he overplayed Edler and was beatable on the cross crease pass. 7.4/10.

 

All in all, it was a more difficult game for the Canucks than say, Game 1. Luongo made the difference on the 5 on 3, and made more big saves than the other guy.

Can't wait until Tuesday!

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Oreskovich

gets a charging penalty, but isn’t credited with a hit? Damn stats!

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by Smoboy41 on Apr 17, 2011 11:45 PM PDT reply actions  

Yeah, I wondered there too. I guess if its a penalty, no hit credited! Brad May was pissed at that one, did not think it was a call, and that Leddy should not turn his back like that.

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by vancitydan on Apr 17, 2011 11:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

The Oreskovich call was bogus, but there were a few bizarre calls/non-calls last night. Definitely seemed like the refs were watching the Canuck extra close early on.

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by Jevant on Apr 18, 2011 5:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

The ref'ing

Was unbelievably bad last night. The first roughing call on Raffi was nonexistent as was the charging call on Oreo. How Torres became Public Enemy # 1 I don’t know. Generally speaking the officiating in the playoffs so far has been inconsistent at best. I don’t know how the players are supposed to know from game to game how to play the game.

by Tink for Nucks on Apr 18, 2011 7:43 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

That's my biggest problem

Inconsistency. One game is called one way (ie not many calls), and then the next is called completely the opposite.

"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"

"You can't come in my kitchen, kick my dog, and take a box full of ballpoints! Your ass must be crazy!"

by Semi_Colon on Apr 18, 2011 7:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

I disagree with that. Most of the calls seemed just fine from this chair. There were a couple ticky penalties, but basically for every single call I spotted it just as the refs did.

by Shazbot on Apr 18, 2011 7:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

I agree with that too

Although that charging call on Oreo was a bit questionable, and on the first trip the guy went down a little easy

"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"

"You can't come in my kitchen, kick my dog, and take a box full of ballpoints! Your ass must be crazy!"

by Semi_Colon on Apr 18, 2011 7:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

I didn't have a good enough view

On the replay to see it he actually cleared his feet before hitting.

"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"

"You can't come in my kitchen, kick my dog, and take a box full of ballpoints! Your ass must be crazy!"

by Semi_Colon on Apr 18, 2011 9:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

The replay I remember seeing

was pretty clear…… plus the decent run and somewhat hit from behind made it a very easy call IMO.

by LaughingCow on Apr 18, 2011 9:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hard to place

fault on Crawford, but he probably should have had the Ehrhoff shot.

He’s proved he can play in the big show. Helluva job he’s done

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by Temujin on Apr 17, 2011 11:54 PM PDT reply actions  

See, the only thing you can really fault him on is not making that “extra/last save” just because of the scorelines, but he’s stopped many Sedins’ 2 on 1, Kesler breakaways and what not that the score margin could be a lot bigger if not for his play.

by Laharl on Apr 18, 2011 12:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah

I agree. He was also out of position on all three goals. Ehrhoff’s was from the point, it was not like it was a surprise. He was sprawling and out of it on the game winner, and totally overplayed Edler on Daniel’s goal.

He did make some big saves, but he did not help his team there…

Nuck’s Misconduct Bishop, 1st United Church of Luongod, "Nothing is better than scoring a goal, but shutting those guys down has been a lot of fun," Kesler said. "We’re just trying to frustrate those guys." Carry on Ryan 4/16/11

by vancitydan on Apr 18, 2011 12:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

Crawford needed to steal a game for the hawks

and he hasn’t done it. he hasn’t proven anything. He hasn’t been “playoff big” like Luongo has this year.

by LaughingCow on Apr 18, 2011 8:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

Too busy to chime in with detail, but I loved this

From Second City Hockey:

“John Scott on a power play” is in the team photo in the most offensive phrases a Hawks fan could ever hear, along with “Captain Alex Zhamnov” and “Alexander Karpotsev”. Never. Again.

Made me chuckle. My favourite thing about today was all the John Scott zingers.

by camcharron on Apr 18, 2011 12:16 AM PDT reply actions  

John Scott

will soon be a folk hero in Vancouver: the man that gives up two goals on one penalty.

by seedvt on Apr 18, 2011 2:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

this…is…the…best picture…i…have…ever…seen!!!!

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by My Landed Immigrant status just expired! on Apr 18, 2011 5:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

ha

"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"

"You can't come in my kitchen, kick my dog, and take a box full of ballpoints! Your ass must be crazy!"

by Semi_Colon on Apr 18, 2011 7:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

That is totally awesome.

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Go 2010-2011 Chicago Blackhawks- and hug a Minnesota Wild player when you see him!
Go 2010-2011 Philadelphia Flyers!

by Hawks&Flyers on Apr 18, 2011 8:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

beauty! Keep these comin’!

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by Sean Zandberg on Apr 18, 2011 9:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

YES

YES

Win it for Manny.
C Henrik Sedin #33: Vancouver Canucks Captain, 2010 Art Ross Trophy Winner and 2010 Hart Memorial Trophy Winner.
LW Daniel Sedin #22: Vancouver Canucks Alternate Captain and 2011 Art Ross Trophy Winner
G Roberto Luongo and G Cory Schneider: 2011 William Jennings Trophy Winners
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Apr 18, 2011 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

6 feet 9 inches of rec.

Win it for Manny!
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by kesrows on Apr 18, 2011 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

and 250 pounds

of rec

"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"

"You can't come in my kitchen, kick my dog, and take a box full of ballpoints! Your ass must be crazy!"

by Semi_Colon on Apr 18, 2011 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

hahahah

he takes his shades off.. low and behold, another set of shades. Good ole David Caruso…

Squirrelz Gone Wyld!

by Thesocialmit on Apr 18, 2011 11:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't know if you saw this last night...

But the Canucks are 17-3 in their last 20 games. Makes Jonathan Toews’ statement look even more bitter and delusional when you shine that light on it.

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by Kent Basky on Apr 18, 2011 6:48 AM PDT reply actions  

Ya, what exactly are the Blackhawks not “exposing?” I think we’ve done a good job of exposing CHI as a one-and-a-half line team. I think we’ve done an even better job of exposing how quickly a Norris trophy winning defenseman can lose his game (PP goal notwithstanding). And getting Kopecky and Bolland back would change very little.

by CdP on Apr 18, 2011 8:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

Lambert speaks...

http://blackhawksdl.com/2011-articles/april/right-where-they-want-em.html

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by Kent Basky on Apr 18, 2011 6:51 AM PDT reply actions  

Boy, even Lambert can't really come up with much for his pro-Chicago blogging.

What happens to Chemmy and Lambert after the Hawks are out? Do they stop blogging then?

Work hard, play harder, rest easy.

by jwolf0 on Apr 18, 2011 9:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah and they go up for hire again with another auction.

So don't get violent and don't get caught with your head down, the night she stole the moon.

by thelastjohnny on Apr 18, 2011 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

nobody listens.

Win it for Manny!
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by kesrows on Apr 18, 2011 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Luongo

STILL hasn’t let in over 2 goals in a game since December. What the hey?

Coconuts go.™

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by eightyseven on Apr 18, 2011 7:04 AM PDT reply actions  

eightyseven

I hate to be “that guy”, but he did let in 3 last game ;)
I think the stat is not more than 3 since January

"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"

"You can't come in my kitchen, kick my dog, and take a box full of ballpoints! Your ass must be crazy!"

by Semi_Colon on Apr 18, 2011 7:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

oh yeah

haha I read that as 3

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by Canuckles on Apr 18, 2011 8:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

Didn’t Chicago score 3 goals in game 2? :)

by Kevin Hanley on Apr 18, 2011 7:14 AM PDT reply actions  

Oh, how quickly I forget :@

With this much hockey, my short term memory goes bye bye

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by eightyseven on Apr 18, 2011 7:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

..over 3 goals? :P

Coconuts go.™

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by eightyseven on Apr 18, 2011 7:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

damn

I guess I should have read below

"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"

"You can't come in my kitchen, kick my dog, and take a box full of ballpoints! Your ass must be crazy!"

by Semi_Colon on Apr 18, 2011 7:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

I swear

it’s over 3.

Coconuts go.™

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by eightyseven on Apr 18, 2011 7:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

the NHL's video on Rule 48 regarding legal head contact

discuss

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by Kent Basky on Apr 18, 2011 7:20 AM PDT reply actions  

Player had puck possession? No – Fail. (Interference)
North/South play? No – Fail. (E/W behind net)
Contact to head? Yes – Fail.
Did player assume responsibility to NOT hit the head? No – Fail

Did Seabrook see him coming? Was it intentional? Should Seabrook be protecting himself? Those are all debatable but irrelevant by the rule.

It’s a suspension by those four criteria. The example above specifically states that if the player administering the hit is coming from the side, it is the hitters responsibility to NOT hit the head. All the good hits are players skating up the ice INTO the other zones. Seabrook was looking the other way and didn’t have the puck.

AV saying it’s not a penalty is just silly. It’s obviously interference at minimum.

by LawrenceS on Apr 18, 2011 9:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

For your second point, not really.

as one NHL GM told me tonight, a hit behind the net is viewed more like a north-south hit than an east-west neutral zone hit.

So don't get violent and don't get caught with your head down, the night she stole the moon.

by thelastjohnny on Apr 18, 2011 9:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, its 100% North South by the definition of the video and a legal hit if Seabrook was skating with the puck by the definition of the rules. (Personally I think they should also make this an East West Zone, and force players to hit lower)

Where its a hazy hit is Seabrook never actually touched the puck. I don’t know what the rules are on hard hits when the player doesn’t have full possession of the puck, but I don’t think the NHL can throw Torres a long suspension for this one based on the NHL rules by that video.

At the most, 2 games for making an illegal hit that contacts the head. But thats what I argued for Chara vs Pacioretti, and its not in the rule book.

by Hogibogi on Apr 18, 2011 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

look at the hit at 4:07

not defending, just putting this out there

the hits are eerily similar. if he doesn’t get suspended (and for the record I think he should) it will be because of this particular stance on the rule from hockey operations.

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by Kent Basky on Apr 18, 2011 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

again, I’m wrong, cause there was no suspension, but those hits are not similar.

In the example, guy is skating straight forward and has the puck with his head looking forward.

The hit on Seabrook, he’s curling around the net, toward the boards and out the other side, looking behind him for the puck to come around and he doesn’t have the puck.

They take place in a similar spot on the ice, but that’s where the similarities end.

by LawrenceS on Apr 18, 2011 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

and, it appears I don't know what I am talking about

because there is no suspension.

The rules don’t make sense to me. Clifford/Tanev is no suspension. This is no suspension. Weird in my eyes.

by LawrenceS on Apr 18, 2011 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

Last night's hit

was eerily similar to his hit on Eberle, all except for location.

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by eightyseven on Apr 18, 2011 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, who knows. I don’t care all the much, really. Hey, if Clifford isn’t suspended for what could have paralyzed Tanev, then nothing makes sense to me.
 I thought Clifford deserved about 50 games for that and he didn’t get one.

by LawrenceS on Apr 18, 2011 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

You're one of the few non-Canuck fans I've seen here

with that opinion.

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by eightyseven on Apr 18, 2011 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

My question

I had no problem with Torres getting a penalty, but I am on the fence about whether he should be suspended. It wasn’t the cleanest hit, but my question is, shouldn’t Seebrook know there’s a good possibility he’s going to get hit? He’s got his head down looking at the puck behind the net. Its not like he was skating through open ice, he’s in an area where hits will come. Would that play a role in the suspension decision?

by 51dimes on Apr 18, 2011 7:40 AM PDT reply actions  

TSN’s panel did a fantastic job of breaking this down. Bob McKenzie had some good points about the area behind the net being highlighted as an area where blindside hits are more likely to occur.

Shouldn’t Seabrook be the one penalized for having his head in a vulnerable position in that ice location?

Shouldn’t Campoli have been penalized in the immediate aftermath for roughing or holding?

And if Quenneville is not fined for his postgame comments on the refs “missing” the call and not awarding 5 minutes then there is anti-West Coast bias for sure.

BTW, I thought we were better off w/o Torres in the lineup anyway.

by CdP on Apr 18, 2011 8:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

BTW the point of my first question is that Rule 48 seems to have taken away the responsibility of players to defend themselves first, rather than relying on the rulebook.

by CdP on Apr 18, 2011 8:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

My other issue

(I have several, I guess) if it was “brutal” and worthy of five minutes, then why didn’t Chicago send Seabrook into the quiet room. Don’t tell me this was a terrible, dirty hit worthy of five minutes and a suspension and then send the guy right back out there. Coaches can do some for player safety, and I don’t think Q was looking out for Seabrook after this play.

by 51dimes on Apr 18, 2011 8:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

Seriously, you want to penalize Seabrook?!?

At a bare minimum it was interference. Torres was running around like an idiot…. he needs to calm down

by LaughingCow on Apr 18, 2011 8:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

Look I mean it hypothetically, point being that Seabrook set himself up for this. Head up son.

by CdP on Apr 18, 2011 9:49 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

http://hammersdogs.blogspot.com/2011/04/nucks-take-3-0-lead-current-hockey.html

He came right at him, straight in line with the Indian Head on Seabrook’s sweater. But since Seabrook has absolutely ZERO awareness of his surroundings, and he has his head facing in the opposite direction that he is travelling on the ice, someone who hits him HEAD ON, STRAIGHT ON, is “blindsiding” him.

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by Kent Basky on Apr 18, 2011 9:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

That's actually a really interesting take

Very interesting article.

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by Jevant on Apr 18, 2011 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

Basically...

…the argument is that it is the same as the Mitchell/Toews hit, or close to it.

Would that be a penalty in today’s NHL?

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by Jevant on Apr 18, 2011 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

The NHL Video says:

That is a North South hit where the shoulder is allowed to make contact with the head, and it is up to the player to protect himself

by Hogibogi on Apr 18, 2011 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

Exactly what I thought

when I saw it the first time. The stills at that link are pretty informative. Hockey should teach you to be responsible for yourself. Seabrook wasn’t.

by sonzai on Apr 18, 2011 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

If Seabrook has his head up he can’t see where the puck is so he has to blindly feel for it with his stick, he probably should have looked but I can’t blame him for trying to play the puck

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by PKSube on Apr 18, 2011 7:42 AM PDT reply actions  

Dammit, reply fail

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by PKSube on Apr 18, 2011 7:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

My other question is

if Seabrook touches the puck, does that change things? They called interference, not elbowing or roughing.

by 51dimes on Apr 18, 2011 8:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

If he’s just touched it he still doesn’t have time to look around and see Torres, it wouldn’t technically be interference but I’m sure they would call something, maybe charging

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by PKSube on Apr 18, 2011 8:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think you might have the homer glasses on with those numbers in the lead. The Frolic line a 6.9? When they did a good job of beating Kesler’s line head to head?

The difference was in net, but I’d give the edge to the Chi-town skaters. The top two lines were just fine, and great in the first.

by Shazbot on Apr 18, 2011 7:45 AM PDT reply actions  

Yeah...

I don’t think any of our lines were great last night, with the exception of a few D. Did anyone else think it was nice to see the Sedins rack up so many points while (if we’re being honest) not playing all that well?

by ol'johnnycanuck on Apr 18, 2011 8:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’m not getting this “the Sedins aren’t playing well” thing. They are putting up points at key moments, and we are winning. They are also doing this while going up against great defensive players and not being overworked.

Yeah, if AV ran the Twins out there for 23 minutes, they’d probably have more points, but then we’d be tiring them out and letting them get hit more and we’d be giving up more goals.

In my opinion, it’s tough to argue that any aspect of the Hawks has been better than any aspect of the Canucks, except in limited spurts.

Clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose.

by Jevant on Apr 18, 2011 8:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well, I get that, but who scored the goal, who helped shut down the other team over 12 minutes.

Hossa’s line? I thought that was a little low too, but no way they beat Kes’s line head to head. I did say they get extra for scoring the game winning goal, and the penalty kill.

How about an in tread change to a 8.5 for Kes’s line, and a 7.9 for Hossa’s line?

If you look at the numbers, they really did nothing. A few hits, and a couple shots. No points, not much danger.

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by vancitydan on Apr 18, 2011 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

over the LAST 12 minutes

And most the game. Kes’s line was the reason we won that game, defensively.

Will endeavour to keep the Blue and Green glasses in their case though!

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by vancitydan on Apr 18, 2011 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

And the Sedin shift at around 3:00 minutes left

The twins cycled the puck in the Hawk zone for the whole shift killing some valuable time off the clock, it was a monster shift at a critical moment in the game. The Hawks never really mounted a push in the last few minutes of the game.

Ryan Kesler for MVP

by thegreek on Apr 18, 2011 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh yeah. All the lines. It was very impressive. I was on the edge of my seat, ready to be worried by some great scoring chances from the Hawk big guns and it just…never came.

Hank behind the net in the closing seconds was impressive too, about 5 guys on him.

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by vancitydan on Apr 18, 2011 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

The Sedins are playing just fine, with the exception of the lazy holding and hooking penalties. IMO, the refs, despite having an otherwise questionable night of it, were bang on on those calls.

by Tink for Nucks on Apr 18, 2011 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

Considering Kane/Sharp/Toews have zero points at ES, I think Kesler’s line is doing pretty ok.

Clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose.

by Jevant on Apr 18, 2011 8:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

From On The Forecheck

Should the league be looking at Todd Marchand’s slewfoot of Joel Ward?

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by Kent Basky on Apr 18, 2011 8:31 AM PDT reply actions  

Absolutely.

Blatant, cheap. I’d give him a game. That’s a dangerous “non-hockey” play that should have been an immediate penalty.

Clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose.

by Jevant on Apr 18, 2011 8:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

BroadStBull Sam Carchidi
by stevekouleas
NBC Sports reporting Pronger’s setback a few weeks ago was a second break in right hand. #Flyers #PhiBuf

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by Kent Basky on Apr 18, 2011 8:32 AM PDT reply actions  

2 breaks?

eeh

Coconuts go.™

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by eightyseven on Apr 18, 2011 8:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

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General manager Paul Holmgren just denied NBC10 report in Philly that Pronger’s “setback” was a 2nd break to hand. Nodl is out tonight

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by Kent Basky on Apr 18, 2011 8:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

damn you pronger, my playoff predictions are counting on you

by Passive Voice on Apr 18, 2011 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

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With 3 goals in 2 games, Marco Rosa is currently tied for the AHL lead in playoff goals. Rosa has 16 points (9g, 7a) over his last 11 games.

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by Kent Basky on Apr 18, 2011 8:33 AM PDT reply actions  

Blackhawks lack of finish

Is surprising to me. What do you think it is? Canuck D forcing them into lousy shots? Luongo standing on his head? Or just ChiTown not taking advantage of their A+ opportunities? Personally, I think it’s more that Chicago hasn’t finished their chances. Take game 1, sure Luongo made a great save, but Campbell should have buried that chance.

by LaughingCow on Apr 18, 2011 9:07 AM PDT reply actions  

I think it’s mostly Lou, but a combination of everything

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by Sean Zandberg on Apr 18, 2011 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

Luongo and Chicago missing last night, but a huge part of this series has been the Canucks D not allowing the garbage goals that Chicago got last year. Clearing away pucks and players from the front of the net and slot, and also part of this is rebound control.

The Hawks didn’t win last year due to snipes from Kane and Sharp, they won from potting rebounds and scrambled plays in.

by Hogibogi on Apr 18, 2011 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

also

The Blackhawks are very, very physically fatigued at this point.

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by Pseuccubus on Apr 18, 2011 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

very very true

Kane played 26(!) minutes last night…. looked like a beaten dog after the game.

by LaughingCow on Apr 18, 2011 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

http://www.fanfeedr.com/nhl/2011/04/18/blackhawks-down-3-0-eulogy-time-or-forward-thinking

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by Kent Basky on Apr 18, 2011 9:16 AM PDT reply actions  

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P. Laviolette just announced that B Boucher will start Game 3. No word on backup #phibuf

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by Kent Basky on Apr 18, 2011 9:17 AM PDT reply actions  

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Dave Bolland said yesterday that he believes he will be ready for Game 4. Link: http://tinyurl.com/6e7kbj5 #Blackhawks #Canucks

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by Kent Basky on Apr 18, 2011 9:17 AM PDT reply actions  

That seems like a bad idea

Guy coming back from a concussion just play in a series down 3-0? Not thinking about his future?

"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"

"You can't come in my kitchen, kick my dog, and take a box full of ballpoints! Your ass must be crazy!"

by Semi_Colon on Apr 18, 2011 9:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

They’re gonna put Bolland out against Torres LOL

by CdP on Apr 18, 2011 10:14 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

nah..They’ve been projecting Bolland’s return all series long. He is healthy. He is ready.

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by Sean Zandberg on Apr 18, 2011 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

http://www.vancouversun.com/news/decision-canada/Harper+biggest+fear+Habs+Canucks+Stanley+final/4634294/story.html

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by Kent Basky on Apr 18, 2011 9:18 AM PDT reply actions  

Haha, at least the election will be long gone by then…. and maybe even Harper as leader of the Conservatives.

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by thelastjohnny on Apr 18, 2011 9:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, good idea.

So don't get violent and don't get caught with your head down, the night she stole the moon.

by thelastjohnny on Apr 18, 2011 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hawks talking with media right now

should be interesting to see if Toews continues the disrespect he showed last night…

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by Kent Basky on Apr 18, 2011 9:24 AM PDT reply actions  

I'm on the edge of my seat

Waiting to see if he finishes the “to be continued” cliffhanger from last night

"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"

"You can't come in my kitchen, kick my dog, and take a box full of ballpoints! Your ass must be crazy!"

by Semi_Colon on Apr 18, 2011 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

haha

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by Kent Basky on Apr 18, 2011 9:26 AM PDT reply actions  

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Bobrovsky has no locker in the Flyers room today. He should pull a Costanza and just keep showing up like nothing happened.

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by Canuckles on Apr 18, 2011 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

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My friends just saw the Sedins in all their creepiness at the Bently dealership on Chicago Ave. Got mobbed by fans and hopped in a cab.

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by Kent Basky on Apr 18, 2011 9:31 AM PDT reply actions  

Just came out…no suspension for Torres, no hearing scheduled.

by Shabbadoo on Apr 18, 2011 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

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Seabrook plays for #Blackhawks tomorrow. Bolland and Bickell are likely. Kopecky is out. #Canucks

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by Kent Basky on Apr 18, 2011 10:28 AM PDT reply actions  

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by Ricardinho on Apr 18, 2011 11:22 AM PDT reply actions  

Toews in scrum today.

They have weaknesses just like any other team and it’s up to us to expose them and haven’t done a good enough job of that.

So don't get violent and don't get caught with your head down, the night she stole the moon.

by thelastjohnny on Apr 18, 2011 11:28 AM PDT reply actions  

So,

he is now saying that the Canucks are not perfect. Well, who is?

Los Angeles, CA

by AttilaS on Apr 18, 2011 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

Toews on the Canucks

Regarding using the Torres hit as motivation, “it’s just concrete evidence on how much we dislike that team.”

Toews needs to learn that sometimes you are going to be the hammer and sometimes you are going to be the nail. Now that the Hawks have lost a lot of their gritty, physical players to free agency they have become choirboys all of a sudden, give it a rest and man up.

The Hawks played goon hockey against the Canucks the last two years and played a Neanderthal in game 3 because of his size and physical presence, the Canucks are just playing tougher and initiating.

Now the Hawks and their fans are as frustrated as we were the last two years, the only difference is they have one questionable Torres hit to point at, whereas I can think of a dozen heinous Hawk examples, the most glaring is Ladd’s hit on Kesler.

Ryan Kesler for MVP

by thegreek on Apr 18, 2011 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

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