Canuck Brunch/WJC Open Thread Dec 29
Much like that Christmas Turkey that is beginning to appear in nearly unrecognizable forms of leftovers, there's lots more hockey tonight on both fronts. The Canucks head south for the winter to take on Bruce 'Mustard Stain' Boudreau and the mighty bad Ducks, while Team Canada takes on Nicklas Jensen and Team Denmark. Last night we were treated to a couple fine hockey games, weren't we? Team Canada was impressive as they patiently dismantled a game but undisciplined Czech team with a goalie who tried his best to steal the game for them, and the Canucks recovered from coughing up a 2 goal lead to pull one out in overtime, Andrew Ebbett tipping home a Kevin Bieksa point shot for the winner. Good thing the Canucks embellished all those calls in the 3rd period, those dives really... wait... you mean someone else was doing the diving and embellishing??? It's laughable, really. Not only did the Sharks once again prove that they're one of the dirtier teams with the usual parade of hacks, slashes and crosschecks, but they made hypocrites of their fans and themselves with the crap they pulled last night. And that made the win, in a game that had a real playoff feel to it, almost as satisfying as the ones they played back in May...
A lot of people talk about Joe Thornton in a negative light because of his inability to lead his team to anything of note in the post season. Despite being labeled as contenders for the throne for what seems like years now, Joe Thornton and the San Jose Sharks are known as much for their string of playoff failures than anything else. How Joe continues to get credit for being any type of a leader is truly baffling. Real leaders don't take penalties mere seconds after his team scores to get back into a game. They also don't pull the kind of garbage he did when he repeatedly stuck his fingers into Henrik Sedin's face while the Captains were talking with the referee about penalty calls after a 3rd period scrum. The fact the official allowed it to go unpunished without giving him an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty is ridiculous. When it comes time to pick the Olympic team for Sochi, I'd rather not see scum like Joe Thornton putting on the maple leaf. I would make fun of this whole embarrassing moment for Joey Stinkfinger, but our pal The Stanchion does it better than anyone else.
Once again, the best player on the ice last night was Roberto Luongo, who battled through a lot of traffic in front on many of his 33 saves. He had a few jaw-droppers last night, and really appears to be back in the form he showed in 2006-07. His glove hand larceny of Joe Pavelski in the first was a beauty, wasn't it? It was Luongo shutting the door that kept the Canucks in it, especially during the 3rd period when the Sharks got 3 power plays during a succession of brutal calls by the officials. It turns out that those calls did end up helping the Canucks, as it left them with some fresh legs heading into overtime. That was why we saw Andrew Ebbett out there in extra time. Kevin Bieksa was definitely in beast mode on that shift, looking to end the game before it got to a shootout, and when Brent Burns inexplicably skated away from Ebbett, leaving him unchecked in front of Antti Niemi. Ebbett's deflection of Bieksa's point shot was perfect, and it allowed the Canucks to skate out of San Jose with 4 of 4 points this season. These teams get a chance to renew hostilities on Jan 2nd at Rogers Arena, and if there aren't a ton of signs referring to Joe Thornton's finger I am going to be thoroughly disappointed.
No rest for the wicked as they say, and the Canucks are right back at it in Orange County, taking on the Ducks tonight at the Honda Center. While their neighbours the Los Angeles Kings are seeing some success with the hiring of Darryl Sutter, the same effect has yet to happen for the Ducks and Bruce Boudreau. They did beat the Sharks in San Jose on Monday, but only have 3 wins in their last 10 games. The Ducks problems are multi-faceted: they're not getting near the kind of goaltending they expected from Jonas Hiller, they are only getting scoring from a handful of players, and the ones that are scoring aren't doing it enough, and the top line of Corey Perry, Ryan Getzlaf and Bobby Ryan are a combined -36, Getzlaf with a team worst -16. This team doesn't have a prayer of making the playoffs, doesn't have any identity as Boudreau struggles to put his imprint on a team that was fairly one-dimensional in the first place, yet still present a dangerous threat. The Canucks took the Ducks lightly in their last meeting and lost 2 much needed points in the process. Tired or not, they'll have that on their minds as they take to the ice tonight. No lineup changes expected other than Cory Schneider getting the start as expected.
Wednesday's action at the World Junior Championships in Alberta saw the first real upset of the tournament as the highly touted USA squad let a Finnish team hang around for too long, only to have it come back and bite them in the ass. The Finns scored 3 unanswered goals in the 3rd after the US had tied it 1-1 just seconds into the final frame for a 4-1 victory. While the shot margins up until the 3rd were extremely lopsided, the Finns didn't back down an inch from the Americans physically. That's the beauty of Sleeping Giants: the bigger they are, the harder they fall.
Team Canada meanwhile faced another stiff test from the Czech Republic, and while the Czechs got a stellar goaltending performance from Petr Mrazek, he could only withstand the storm so long, as the Canadians moved to 2-0 with a 5-0 victory. As good as Mrazek was, Canadian goalie Scott Wedgewood was even better, racking up 26 saves for the shutout. Mark Scheifele scored twice, and they got singles from Mark Stone, Ryan Strome and Brett Connolly.
Canucks prospect Nicklas Jensen and Team Denmark are up next for the Canadian squad, and thanks to the US loss they can likely wrap up first in the B pool. Mark Visentine gets the start for Team Canada, and though coach Don Hay said he won't announce who starts against the Americans until Friday, many are saying it will be Wedgewood who gets the nod. Does that make the game against Team USA meaningless Saturday night? Absolutely not, but it sure as hell will be nice if the Canadians can hand the USA a 2nd loss. In other action yesterday, Sweden needed a shootout to get past Switzerland, and the Russians kept the Slovakians at bay potting the winning goal early in the 3rd for a 3-1 win in Pool A action in Calgary.
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I'm sure I'm gonna miss big chunks of the game
Cause I have people coming to my house. So I’d appreciate any Jensen reviews offered. You know he’s excited to play Canada.
Analysts were high on him, but he’s not good enough to single-handedly win Denmark games. He’s been the best player on that team by far though.
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by Vancouverguy on Dec 29, 2011 1:51 PM PST up reply actions
Right
Wayne Gretzky in his prime couldn’t get Denmark to a win. I’m just curious how he’s going to play tonight specifically on this huge stage.
by Canuckelhead on Dec 29, 2011 2:10 PM PST up reply actions
I actually believe
that Wayne Gretzky in his prime against Junior kids easily could get Denmark a win. He’d score and set up about 15 goals.
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I was being hyperbolic but....
I don’t know if 15 points is fair to these jr’s. His record for most ppg in a season is 2.77 so even if you double that, which I think isn’t taking into account how good the best jr’s in the world are. But, for arguments sake lets more than double it and say they get 6 goals. I still imagine this would be a competitive game.
P.s. just to be clear I know this is ridiculous.
by Canuckelhead on Dec 29, 2011 4:07 PM PST up reply actions
Canada eliminated from the Spengler Cup tourney
thanks to a controversial shootout goal on Turco. Wonder how Crawford feels about getting beat by a team called the Grizzly Adams?
probably like this:



"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
good thing i got the gamethread ready last night. gonna have to work until 6:00 before finishing my shopping.
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Episode three people
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wE404lCgiEo
Great as always…
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Just watching eposode 2 right now
pretty damn good so far.
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Do you think
the Rangers told HBO that Avery was off limits? Seems pretty conspicuous by his absence.
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Looking forward to tonight's game
I know lots of fans don’t like these blowout type games but I love seeing sick goals from guys like Connolly and Stone who are both beasts. Plus a Canuck prospect to watch. So lots of good stuff going on.
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Attacking Joe Thornton for failing to lead his team to playoff success...
….rings hollow when none of the leaders on the Canucks have managed more than losing one round later, after losing earlier than the Sharks for years beforehand.
I think people here are really oversensitive about this Thornton thing for some reason. Maybe cause it’s the Canucks with the rep for being dirty divers instead of the Sharks, but the fact is if people were freaking out over Burrows, Kesler or Lappy doing the EXACT SAME THING, we’d all agree it was an overreaction.
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stop
the whole reason that this is being pointed out is because Joe Thornton can’t shut his fucking mouth, calling out people left, right and center. He calls people classless. He calls them divers, whiners and cheapshot artists. And he has done ALL of these very things over the last couple years. It’s time he gets called on the carpet of public the way the Canucks have been for this. This wasn’t in a scrum. The scrum was over. That was pure and simple a lack of respect shown to an opponent. That to me isn’t a leader.
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for the record...
I wouldn’t respect this from anyone. not my own town. it’s completely bush league and embarrassing to the sport. he’s getting a pass because of the colour of the uniform he did it to. And if you watched that game last night maybe you’d know why we’re pissed…
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So you would
go on record as saying that Alex Burrows should never represent Canada then? Serious question. Whatever you think of the reaction of the media and the Bruins he did bite a guy. No place for that on Team Canada.
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because the shoved his fingers into his mouth
yawn… sick of people doing shit to this team then deflecting any possible criticism of the person who did it back on the canucks
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That's not what I am doing at all
but if you want your position on Thornton to be taken seriously, as least in my opinion, you need to be consistent. Explain to me why Burrows is any different? Because he is a Canuck and Thornton isn’t?
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It's what I said below
An incident during a battle during or after play is one thing. But when the Captains are there trying to get an explanation from the ref and he’s doing that? Sorry, no one does that. Not the Canucks. Not any other team that people consider to be bad for antics.
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Okay well
I completely disagree with your take on that aspect. I also don’t agree that Thornton is ‘scum’ because of that scenario. Hits targeting the head or deliberate attempts to injure, like maybe by kneeing someone, are much more scummy than what Joe did. If he is good enough to help Canada win I am all for him being on the team. Same goes for any other player. If we start disqualifying players for doing stupid shit there won’t be many left to play for Canada. And considering the antics of guys on our teams at times I wouldn’t feel comfortable going on a rant against another player for something like what Thornton did.
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This.
Goes back to what I said earlier (or below… can’t remember).
Fans that complain about serious issues are passionate and involved.
Fans that complain equally about minor bullshit are just whiny.
And fans with pathological persecution complexes, are all in Vancouver it seems.
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LOL
good one. Ever seen the comments on a Hawk blog when they are playing the Wings and a call goes against them? EVERY fan base has a pathological persecution complex. Ours is more noticeable because our team wins and there are a lot of us all over North America.
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Fans of original 6 teams outnumber Vancouver fans across NA.
Seriously, this whole ’we’re so good, and we’re so popular they can’t handle it’ is BS, aside from maybe the likes of Canadian cities like Toronto.
The heavyweights in the East and West and their fans have no reason to hate the Canucks for their skill or popularity. Only the perceived whining.
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See below
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I'm late to this
But this is completely false. Have you not seen how many Canucks fans show up to road games in the US in the last few years? Canucks nation is huge.
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by Semi_Colon on Dec 29, 2011 7:57 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
yeah
the fans in detroit, pittsburgh, montreal, toronto and minnesota (just off the top of my head) would disagree.
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I did watch the game.
I actually thought as far as trolling goes, that was pretty creative.
Sorry bud, but with all the shit that goes on between hockey players on the ice, lightly poking a guy in the face in a faux unintentional manner doesn’t even approach the top of the douche list.
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what the fuck does trolling have to do with hockey
seriously…
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Uh...
You realize Kesler and Burrows basically made their LIVING trolling other players for the first several years of their careers, and Lappy STILL makes most of his living on it.
Same with Bolland.
It’s an element of the game. Psychological warfare. Getting people off their game.
It’s been in the game forever.
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you're not getting it
it’s WHAT he did and WHEN he did it. I know battles happen. But in that instance? Pathetic.
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Like I said.
I thought it was creative.
It’s like a modicum worse than dudes trash-talking between the whistles.
Oh noes! Fingers!
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you are just being obtuse now
Kent is right. We know what Burr and Kes are. I love them just like Hawks fans love Bolland.
But no one on either team has shown that level of disrespect, and they hate each other in capital letters.
If you can’t see that, its only because you don’t want to see it
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We are arguing
about what is more or less disrespectful which is subjective. In my opinion what Thornton did isn’t any more or less worse than some of the stuff lots of other guys, including Canucks, have done and will do. So I feel that last line is unnecessary. Lets not deal in absolutes.
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thats fair
this guy is just being obtuse though.
Because of the primary point that Kent made, that he dismissed because it did not fit his opinion.
This was a conference between two captains and the ref.
Only one captain was acting like a captain.
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I agree with your last line
but I don’t think that makes it any worse some of the incidents I mentioned earlier.
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No, I think it's 'hockey logic'
Wherein plays and fans make up imaginary boundaries for behavior.
There is nothing discernably worse about what Thornton did than what any agitator does.
The notion that ‘oh it was between the whistles, so this incredibly minor physical contact with alpha-dominance overtones is way out of line’ makes NO SENSE compared to the variety of other extra-cirricular activities that players and fans are fine with.
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trollololololol
dismissing the primary point
There is everything different. Its the context. We have all watched games where there were line brawls, and whatever other insanity involved.
Never, in a lifetime of watching hockey, have I seen a captain of one team act like that.
Its wrong and childish. Period. Failure to even see that is just, like I said, trolling instead of having a discussion.
Give and take my friend. I am willing to see your point, and even admit that perhaps folks are too upset over it.
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I never said it wasn't childish.
It’s as childish and irritating as any other ploy used by any other agitator in the league.
But it is not an afront to hockey, the NHL, or anything like that.
It was gamesmanship on a micro level.
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Had Thornton taken a piss at that moment that too would have been "creative."
Shit goes on all game long between whatever two teams are playing, but when the ref is talking to the two captains during a stop in play, and all eyes are on the three principles, it’s a totally other scenario altogether. It’s an authority figure taking time to address two players. If during that exchange, one of them ( a captain no less) invades the other captains’ space while the ref is talking to them, the guy not only disrespects the other captn but disrespects the process as well, all of this in front of thousands of spectators in their seats. This type of disrespect demands an unsportsmanlike penalty and if Hank had done it to Joe, it would have been as much of an insult. Imagine Hank pulling some of that shit. We are so fortunate that such a splendid athlete and gentleman wears a Canucks jersey.
Consider that, in a recent game, Henrik Sedin accidentally high-sticked an opponent, then drew attention to it by waving the linesman over so that the player could receive care.
by Bobby Canuck on Dec 29, 2011 5:22 PM PST up reply actions
I actually wish he would do it
because I would love to see Canuck fans who crucified Thornton scrambling to explain how Hank was ‘different’ and he is still a good guy and Joe isn’t. I also wish someone would bite a Canuck finger but I am starting to understand it isn’t going to happen.
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thats exactly thew point
We all know Hank would never do something like that.
I would have called Hank on it too. It was bush league. Even if silver cannot, or refuses to see it, it was bush league
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You are sure he wouldn't?
Hank said some things in the playoffs last year that most fans would have said he would never say. Never say never.
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I wish he hadn't said some of those things
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
Agreed
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Keep wishing.....it'll never happen with the Sedins.
Consider that, in a recent game, Henrik Sedin accidentally high-sticked an opponent, then drew attention to it by waving the linesman over so that the player could receive care.
by Bobby Canuck on Dec 29, 2011 5:26 PM PST up reply actions
okay then
show me other instances of it. where during a meeting with referees, a player does something like that. If it happens all the time, it should be easy to track, right?
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I never said it had been done before.
That’s why I said it was pretty CREATIVE.
But compared to the vile shit that players say to each other, the cheap shots they take after whistles, and every other bending of the rules to get under players skin.
Yeah, this is nothing.
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Creative, no.
Breath takingly childish, yes. Something like that happening is ridiculous. Heat of the battle, I could see it. Talking to the refs, no way.
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A childs mind is
usually the most creative mind.
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If Jumbo
were a child, I’d still say his actions were asinine.
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Not if you were also a child
you would think they were hilarious.
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That seems a bit harsh
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Cool
I just realized that probably Joe and Hank are both big Spinal Tap fans. Hank didn’t get the “Smell the Glove” reference right away. Probably laughed about it after the game. Controversy over.

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I pegged
Thornton as a Big Bottom fan.
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i dunno
in the playoffs he’s more like Stonehenge…u know, supposed to be jumbo but really just tiny.
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This video is a pretty good example of what it is wrong with Joe Thornton.
It has nothing to do with the Canucks and everything to do with what’s wrong with Joe Thornton.
So you are just oversensitive.
Thornton said in the midst of a frustrating loss, that he felt they should have beat the Rangers, because San Jose is the better team (in his opinion anyway).
I can understand why Tortorella or the Rangers would be upset with that. Anybody else getting on a high horse about how awful that is is being ridiculous.
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You’re saying Canucks fans cannot accurately criticize Joe for things because of our own biases, so I posted an example of Joe shooting his mouth off on another fanbase, to reinforce the point that Joe Thornton has been behaving classlessly this season.
Now you’re telling me that example is invalid because I’m not a Rangers/Tortarella. Also, you took a shot and called me oversensitive for no reason.
You’re the one being ridiculous here, and pretty douche on top of it.
Nah, you guys are just being whiny.
And providing a good example of why Canucks fans are considered whiny.
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Canucks fans
are considered whiny because our team is good and other team’s fans are jealous. If our team sucked no one would even notice if we were or weren’t whiny.
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If that's what you believe, fine.
But Boston fans think you’re whiny too. And they don’t really have any reason to believe that the Canucks are better than them.
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They have a rivalry with us
so they don’t like us obviously they are going to say that. I bet the Thrashers had some whiny fans. But who the hell knows if they did or not? No one cared.
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Boston and Vancouver don't have a rivalry.
One playoff series against a team you may never see in the playoffs again isn’t a rivalry.
Likewise, there are plenty of great teams with no reason to dislike Vancouver, outside of the reasons that the team and fans give them.
You think Penguins are jealous of the Canucks? Chicago? Detroit? Nah. But they all roll their eyes at Vancouver fans, or at least the perception of what a Vancouver fan is. And this ‘woe is us’ bullshit doesn’t help.
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Well I think you are flat out wrong
on every level. And I am not going to waste anymore time arguing about it. Maybe stick with the Hawks if it bothers you that much? Have a nice night.
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You want to know why everyone thinks Vancouver fans are whiny?
Because the media tells them Vancouver fans are whiny.
That’s why they know
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
At some point
we gotta stop blaming the media. I don’t care if ‘we’ are whiny or not but if other people do they should look in the mirror. Take responsibility for it rather than assigning blame.
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I'm just saying
Average fans get most of their opinions of other teams/fans from the media, so if the media always says Canucks fans are whiny they’re going to believe it. I mean, we are pretty whiny in general anyways
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
Exactly
we are whiny. All fan bases are in any number of ways. If we don’t want to be seen as whiny we should stop whining. If we don’t care then we don’t care.
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‘We’ are a large group of passionate people. We are Canadian and this is hockey.
Of course we sound fucking whiny. There are a lot of voices, and they all have something to say.
That’s what it is. It will always sound like whining, and there’s no helping it. Get over it, move on, that’s my motto!
ok partially relevant true story
At my part time job yesterday, dude comes into the store. I say hi and he asks me how it’s going, so I say ‘great…it’s a nice day out, the canucks won last night…’ etc etc. Then he goes off. Turns out he’s a canucks hater…that’s fine. So we’re chatting a bit, and he makes some comment that all canucks fans are ‘trendy, short term bandwagonners’. I said ‘well I’m sure there are some like there are for every team, but how can you call a fanbase who’ve cheered for a team for 40 years that’s never won a cup and has often outright sucked bandwagonners?’ So he changes his hate and goes on ‘burrows calls out the refs’. To which I asked if he watched that game, cuz it was pretty blatant non penalties he got called for. Then he said ‘well he dives’. To which I said ‘No, kesler dives, daniel dives. Burrows dives or embellishes no more than most of the players in the league, at least in the last several seasons’. So then he moved to ‘well u riot every time u don’t win the cup’. At that point I rolled my eyes and realized he was a media victim. Turned out he was an oilers fan. Was tempted to ask him if his name was Derek. Always makes me a bit bummed to see oilers fans acting like that… true oilers fans should hate the flames.
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Which annoys me, cause I'm a fan, and I don't want to get grouped in as an oversensitive whiner.
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We are all Canucks...including Toews, Sharp, Keith, Seabrook, ...need I go on?
wow
you come here and label people about being “oversensitive whiners”? ( your opinion, don’t try to talk for the rest of the hockey world please ) because you want to stir up some shit, or just to be obtuse.
Its poor sportsmanship, and its disrespectful. It has nothing to do with the sensitivity of the fans, or what the other players did or do in the heat of the game.
But I guess someone with such a high opinion of their own opinion is not openminded enough to realize that.
So, keep your opinion, but maybe take it to SCH. Here, you are just trolling now
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Ships sailed
Whining about whining makes you an oversensitive whiner. You’re not raising any public awareness by (baselessly) calling members of this community whiners, you’re just being insulting.
It would be better worth your time to learn not care what people think of you.
calling people whiny and oversensitive over and over is pretty douche, man.
When people are peeved that you’re calling them that, do you counter with “see? you’re whiny and oversensitive!”
I presented an argument as compelling as your 'You're wrong on every level' statement.
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your argument
started with calling people whiners. You did not come for a debate, you came for an argument
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That's untrue.
And if you were to scroll up the page to my very first post, you would see that.
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i read it all
you came here looking for a fight. and your go to was to call folks whiners and continue that lame argument.
Period.
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BS
My first argument was this:
Attacking Joe Thornton for failing to lead his team to playoff success…
….rings hollow when none of the leaders on the Canucks have managed more than losing one round later, after losing earlier than the Sharks for years beforehand.
I think people here are really oversensitive about this Thornton thing for some reason. Maybe cause it’s the Canucks with the rep for being dirty divers instead of the Sharks, but the fact is if people were freaking out over Burrows, Kesler or Lappy doing the EXACT SAME THING, we’d all agree it was an overreaction.
I didn’t call anybody a whiner until he made a bullshit generic statement ‘oh, you’re wrong on every level’ without having the stones or the brains to bother backing it up.
So I called him a whiner, and explained that his kind of mindset was why Vancouver fans are perceived as such.
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stop
you are just looking for an argument.
No one is attacking him for anything other than being a douche in a CAPTAIN’S CONFERENCE.
Period, end of story.
Rationalize it all you want, but all I see is someone embarrassing themselves.
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I agree.
Thought I’m pretty sure we’re thinking of different people.
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Here's the thing:
Thornton’s the captain of the Sharks. He should at least stow that type of behavior during conferences between captains and refs. There’s absolutely no need for whatever the hell he thought he was doing during an explanation of a call between two captains, especially when it is directed to the other captain. It shows he has no respect for the other captain and, therefore, the team.
Ignoring everything else said about him and only looking at this incident, Thornton is in the wrong for doing what he did. Unfortunately, the refs allowed it instead of issuing a penalty for un-sportsmanlike conduct.
why
are you insulting this entire community like that?
“oh man, you’re all embarassing, and whiny, and oversensitive! and I’m going to generalize: you’re all whiny and oversensitive and embarrassing!”
Do you think anyone is going to agree with you when you’re being like that? C’mon, man, you’ve been a member here for a long time. Don’t be a prick.
not sure
why everyone is getting up in arms here. mhsilver has his opinion, and it’s obviously wrong and stupid (er…joke…sorta), but to be honest the blatant personal insults in this thread started from canucks fans, not mhsilver. He made some early comments that could be taken as insults but didn’t feel to me to be meant as insults. It did go south pretty quick, but I think everyone needs to back the fuck off of each other here. Mhsilver has been coming here for some time, and he’s generally one of the good guys from that cesspool of hate over at SCH. Let him have his opinion and agree to disagree. Just my opinion.
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Just reading all the comments above about Thornton
One critical point was missed by some. Joe’s actions were acceptable. You know why? The ref didn’t call a penalty. I think the words “class” and “respect” have partially disappeared from the game because the refs and therefore NHL let these actions continue. The league loves stunts like Thornton’s and Burrows because they draw attention to the NHL. " But it makes the NHL look bad!" Sorry, but whatever vision of the NHL you might have do not mesh with what the NHL wants. Any word of mouth is better than no word of mouth.
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nice article on Burr
http://canucksarmy.com/2011/12/29/perception-vs-reality-the-alex-burrows-story
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Nice goal by Quinten Howden
to put Canada up 1-0
also, Jagr just scored against Pittsburgh. If you open your window in a few seconds you’ll be able to hear the obscenities screamed all the way from Steeltown
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Thank God
Pens fans aren’t whining, though.
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lol
some of the stuff Flyers fans was tweeting was pretty funny. ’Jagr’s dead to me’ was the common theme, along with wishing physical harm to come to Talbot.
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Way to capitaliz short-handed.
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More like invisible
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Short-Handed?
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I might be the only one
but I find the reaction to Visentin on Twitter to be objectionable. This is a 19 year old kid repping his country for the love of the game. Everything I have seen or read about his makes me believe he is a good kid. Yet ‘Canadians’ seem to be actually rooting for him to fail again. I get doubting him, although as Canuck fans we should hope that what happened to a goalie last year doesn’t have an impact on this year. But to openly root against the kid? I can’t stomach that.
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it's the nature of the game
such a parallel of what happened earlier this year with Luongo. I saw numerous people on Twitter hoping for Luongo to let in goals so he’d get pulled and Schneider would go in. I want Canada to win. And I want the goalie playing the best to be in net. Doesn’t matter who it is, my only hope is that Hockey Canada didn’t pick Visentine to play goal because it would be a great story if he came back to win. There were enough instances of guys left out of camp that people were shocked they didnt get invites.
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Yeah I don't disagree
and perhaps it’s wrong but Luongo makes millions of dollars a year. Part of that pay is to deal with that aspect. Visentin is a kid not getting paid at all. And at 19 shouldn’t have to deal with ‘fans’ of his own country actively hoping he fails. At least I don’t think he should anyway.
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Twitter in general
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It's been almost a year
since the meltdown against Russia. And it wasn’t the goalies fault, something Canuck fans know all about, so it’s not like these tweets and comments are heat of the moment anymore.
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wow
I am really amazed that this incident has caused so much controversy. I guess that is what blogging is all about. To me Joe is a good player that will not win the “prize”. Understandably he is a little irritated to so he is acting out. The ref simply missed the call.
by Kelownakid_2000 on Dec 29, 2011 5:40 PM PST reply actions
I don't like this attitude
saying Jumbo Joe “will not win” is to me the same as when people say the Canucks “will never win a cup”.
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I guess I could consider that line a bit much
But the point I was trying to make (and maybe just didn’t get across enough) is that a guy who has been routinely running down this team in the media has engaged in a number of acts on the ice that show time and time again a selfishness and immaturity that suggest the problems in San Jose can often be traced to the example he as their leader sets.
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The ref did miss the call, but when was the last time you saw one captain actively engaging in unsportsmanlike conduct with another captain while a ref was explaining a call? It was very unexpected and struck a nerve with canucks fans who routinely see other players take and get away with liberties on the sedins. So it may be overblown, but I can understand why it has been.
ya ya ya
did anyone die here meat? it was a missed call.
by Kelownakid_2000 on Dec 29, 2011 5:45 PM PST up reply actions
I'm not denying that
I agree with you on that front. And, no, Sedin wasn’t wounded by the action. But that doesn’t make it any better.
By the way,
I’m not trolling you. In fact, I’m on your side. I AGREE that it has been overblown. No need to attack me for objectively answering your post.
understood
You know meat I tend to come across as adversarial. I am working on that. You answered my post well and I unintentionally cut across your bow there sorry about that.
by Kelownakid_2000 on Dec 29, 2011 5:55 PM PST up reply actions
No problem
Its the game we love and if it sounds like someone is knocking it, we tend to speak out of emotion in the heat of the moment, so no hard feelings. I`m even known to go on long-winded rants in the defense of our sometimes-embattled goaltender just because someone mentioned he let in a questionable goal! So, no hard feelings!
In a
long line of missed calls. The level of officiating in the league this year is awful.
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I imagine the reason there was no call that the refs were as aghast as Henrik was.
Joe is only hurting his relationship with the refs when he does that. I don’t mind. It’ll even out one day.
yea
i think so maybe they are like me when you know what to do you do it. When you see something you have not seen before you kind of go wtf. I think the ref did that and maybe a day later thought wow I should have called that.
by Kelownakid_2000 on Dec 29, 2011 5:57 PM PST up reply actions
True
It’s just as inconsiderate and rude if it weren’t done to Henrik. A lot of people are just calling out the fact that it wasn’t called. I wonder if it will be if it happens again.
a. It wasn’t during play
b. He wasn’t being addressed
c. He’s a fricking captain
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ok mike
That is fair. I am a Canuck’s fan and you could turn out to be right but that is my opinion.
by Kelownakid_2000 on Dec 29, 2011 5:42 PM PST reply actions
Well he probably won't win it all
most players don’t. But to say he definitely won’t as if you can see the future is faulty IMHO.
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yep fair enough he could be traded to contender :P
by Kelownakid_2000 on Dec 29, 2011 5:46 PM PST reply actions
I never thought of that
my new wish is that Joe gets traded here to Vancouver to see what happen to this blog. It may explode!!
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He's already got the whining and diving down
He’d fit right in!
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1-1 late in the first
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As I'm reading Puck Daddy comments
I shake my head at the disservice of North American edumacation and predictive text keyboards.
/grammarzzzz
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good lord
why on earth would you read those? I am sure that they, much like jersey shore, can actually make you stupid for watching (or reading) them…
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Defenceman Kevin Bieksa takes a four-game point streak into tonight’s game. He has seven points in his last seven games. #canucks
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Speaking of blowouts anyone remember the year Japan was in world jrs? Naslund, Forsberg and the Swedes beat them 20-1. 1993
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Suicidal Tendencies?
Man, we better get some Bad Brains up at some point this season.
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hah
I was listening to I Against I in the car the other day
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Nice tip by Lupul in front. Kessel with the assist as they connect again. 3-1 Leafs.
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Staal scores. On a breakaway. It’s 3-2 with 10:12 left in third.
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Oh boy… 3-3 now.
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Optimus Reim
looking a little more Leaf like these days.
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by Kelownakid_2000 on Dec 29, 2011 6:15 PM PST up reply actions
dammit
Minny’s up 3-1
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Smid
makes it 3-2 Minny
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and heatley
answers right back… I don’t wanna shock anyone, but I am pretty sure Hordichuk was on the ice for that goal
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And the Leafs punted that game away against one of league’s worst teams… ugly stuff. 4-3 Canes in OT.
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Roussel makes it 4-0 #ChicagoWolves at 15:42 with a rebound for his 2nd goal of the season. Schneider and Sauve with assists.
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going to add this down here
But I think the reason Canucks fans get bent out of shape on these sorts of things is because if someone on Van did it you would hear about it from everyone. And I’m not just saying that as a whiny fan. It’s the truth and you know it.
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