Wings At Canucks Recap ; There's A New Kid In Town (4-2W)
In a game where the first half had all the requisite skill and glamour, and the second half crackled with an entirely different energy, the fans in house and on the national audience were treated to quite the spectacle.
There will be many story lines, and we'll get to them in a second, but this was fan appreciation night at the Rog'. Hank gave the fans some love, and the fans getting the jerseys, and the good sized contingent staying behind gave the team some right back. I know this is not original to just this market, they all do it, and maybe its just the fan in me, but damn they look to enjoy doing this stuff. It also kept Ryan Kesler away from a microphone until he had calmed down, though what happened engendered a couple no comments anyhow.
Scoring a shorty on the resulting power play must have felt exactly like the "sticking it to them" that both Hansen and Kesler mentioned. Those comments and the fire behind them reflected the passion and fire that this game got at about the same time Kronwall did his patented "jump into the guy with my ass" hit that he stole from Rob Blake. He has perfected it though. I think the Deputy Sheriff Blake used to get called more for that than Nik' does.
Enjoy this team folks. It is the best we have had. Some hopefully more incisive stuff after the break.
NHL ( some delay there. Here is their recap, they have video you can click on there, until the usual stuff is loaded )
Tonight, instead of a first period to third linear thing. let's look at it a different way. The lines, pairings, and the guy between the pipes. And a little something something at the end.
Sedinery - The Sedin line did not dominate the scoreboard tonight. They did dominate at times in this game though, especially in the earlier going, when the Canucks were faster, hitting more, and were in the Wing's end for most of the time. The Detroit team looked to be at least trying to check them, but the cycle was flying. For all that though, they were on the ice and running around on the second Red Wing goal as well. ( well, some were. Tonight Burrows was a -1, Hank an even, and Daniel a +1 ) The goal that Burrows got was called lucky by him between periods. Don't you believe it. Henrik Sedin waits until Daniel can get to him at the blue line, gets him the puck, and then Daniel does the same type of thing with waiting for Burrows to be in the perfect position before throwing the puck to the right place. For all their good play, Burrows had 1 shot, and missed two, while Daniel had 2 shots and missed one. Henrik was too busy perfecting his backhand saucer passes. The header by Daniel almost deserves extra credit as well.
Shock and Awe - The Team America moniker does not work without David Booth, but the attitude might be there as much or more with the Cochrane Cyclone performing well since the adamantium bonding took. I am LOVING the new Mason Raymond. He had an assist on the Higgins goal that was all dash and power. His stat line was solid (1A,+1, 3 SOG and 1 hit ), but what really impressed me was after the Kronwall it, who was the first guy to hit him along the boards? Mase 2.0. Chris Higgins? Helluva goal. He was not given any credit for any hits tonight though, and while he was in the middle things, he only had 2 shots. Still, Higgy plays hard. I don't blame him for the dumbass penalty.
The star of the Shock and Awe tonight was Ryan Kesler. While we all saw the good and the bad after the penalty ( which was absolutely ridiculous. Especially in light of the Jimmy Howard spectacle of going after Hansen in the same fashion soon after ), and I did not like the little leg to Zetterberg ( no, it was not knee on knee, it was a bit dirty though ) I sort of understood him a bit, as he felt he was steamrolled with his head down. But he does have to keep his composure a bit better. Let's give him some slack though. The guy was a blanket on Pavel Datsyuk ( a second assist on a goal that should probably have not counted, with Bertuzzi pushing Salo in. I guess they thought Sami fell in on his own? ), who only had 1 shot. He had 4 hits, and even though he was only 6/15 on draws, he won three straight on Datsyuk in his own end. Ryan Kesler was a warrior, and sorry Wings fans, but your Kronwall boy left his feet. He left his feet when he first learnt that hit, and he left his feet tonight. Its a good hit if he does not. Mike Babcock should stop getting indignant ( we CAN'T take that hit out of hockey ) and look at his heavy hitter. I love hitting. Kronwall leaves his feet. It is not clean or anything when you jump into the hit. Make the hit without leaving your feet Nik. Or stop trying to do that.
Godson, Honey Badger , Money - This line was the one for me tonight. They had a couple shifts where it was either Zetterberg's line or Datsyuk out, and it was like Honey Badger don't care. ( Honey Badger had 6 hits to lead the forwards ) He don't give a %$#@. All Beaker does these days is make an impact on hockey games. He was amazing tonight. An assist on Silent G's goal that was a perfect pass, and another that may be changed into a goal ( the puck went off Beaker as he was laying in the crease with Howard ) on the shorthanded tally that was all speed and going to the net. Listening to Zetterberg saying he did not push him there in the post game presser was hilarious. I actually guffawed. A goal on two shots, and a hit, in addition to winning 2/3 draws highlighted another game where Cody Hodgson improved. But I was also excited by Manny Malhotra's game. An assist, a shot, a +1, a block, a hit, and 13/20 draws. His penalty kill work helped the team go 4 for 4 on the kill. Well done Money.
Inglorious Basterds - I have expected to see Maxim Lapierre giving the smiley face to someone to drive them nuts, and maybe the camera just missed it, but that line was another that I really liked. It does not seem to bother AV when they get out there against top lines, as happened on occasion. Lappy had an effective 9:46 TOI, with a shot, a block, and 5 hits. Dale Weise was also mainly noticeable for the right reasons, though he only had one hit ( and a shot ). Both were even tonight, and their linemate ( line changes not being completed on both goals against ) was the -1, but he ma have had the best night. He was strong on the puck, in the right place most the time, and had a great scoring chance on one of his 3 shots. Andrew Ebbett also made a couple smart plays in his own end on rebounds to end pressure situations. Not too bad for his first game in a while.
Juicy Hammer - You know what I liked? After a while, when the penalty was killed, and the score was back up by two, Kevin Bieksa hit one of the top six guys for the Wings ( Valtery Fillippilluuulllaaaa ( sp?) with a totally clean hit that he did not have to jump into to be effective at all. Juice is old school. That is what happens. You hit my skill guy, I hit yours. He got an assist and was an even ( on for a goal against too ), blocked a shot, had a penalty against, and a team high ( with Hansen ) in hits with 6. He even got 9 more seconds than his partner's 25:30 TOI. Dan Hamhuis was wonderful in his own end in that time as well. The guy had a team high 5 blocks, of the 8 minutes of penalty kill time, he was on for 4:30 of it. They were on against the top guys all night, and effectively neutered their offensive prowess.
Undead Eagle - My frigging word, did Alexander Edler have himself a game. A goal, 2 shots, a block, and a couple hits, to go along with being an even. There were a couple occasions where he and his partner were caught in their own end a bit, but they recovered at those times pretty well. Edler was jumping into the play pretty well ( as evidenced by his play on the penalty kill that led to the turnover that Hansen rushed, and eventually his goal ), and handled his tough assignments pretty well. Sami Salo had a similar night, just not as flashy. 2 SOG, a block and a hit, but it was his play in front that was solid after he was not strong enough on Big Bertuzzi on the first goal. You can say he was pushed in, and I did initially, ( and he did ), but I sort of saw why the refs did not call that, as he looked to lose his balance a little. It evened out with the Edler goal anyhow.
Mutt and Jeff - For the second game they have ever played together ever, I was very impressed with Andrew Alberts and Alexander Sulzer. Both of them stood up well to some pressure in their own end. Both were smart on the pass outs and jumping up. Both were a +2 , and while Alberts was only credited with a hit, he was very good at moving out Holmstrom in the third period, when he was out killing penalties. The German was a model of efficiency as well, with an effective 15+ minutes that garnered 2 shots, 3 blocks, and only one giveaway. They even had a shift with the Sedins where it looked like both were thinking the cycle right along with the wizards of it. They were a 5/6 pair tonight, but a good one. Those that were looking at this pair as a weakness to be exploited were disappointed.
Roberto Luongo - No cute nickname, he deserved more than that. The man is once again getting dialed in. The first goal was flat out not his fault with Salo falling ( read - pushed in by Bert ) on him, and he still almost got to the goal that was slipped in. The second one, he had it. It was going into the glove, but for the defender not getting Drew Miller's stick ( a nice tip, BTW ) BUt I lost track of how many saves he made in traffic, with either Bertuzzi or Holmstrom's butt in his face. Rebounds were not as plentiful as at the other end, and his glove was working just fine thanks. It is this kind of play for this goalie that made me jokingly enter the "1st Bishop of Luongod" into my signature oh so long ago. It is great to see him back. Of the 40 shots tonight, 16 were in the second, and an equal number in the third, when the Canucks only had 4. He outdueled the other goalie, and it can be definitely argued "won the game for his team". He did not steal it, because his team was too good in the first half. But he sure aided and abetted that win.
Last bit...Hey TSN, and SNET especially, give it a rest with the narrative painting bullshit. Yes, Ryan Kesler lost his temper with what he thought was a cheap hit. The replays show he has a point. He even said after that "the hit was fine", but you know that was after the adrenaline had cooled down. All I know is that Niklas Kronwall's skates are off the ice before contact. It was worthy of the response, if not the little shot on Zetterberg. But don't kid yourselves. This is the team that is used to getting all those breaks as the "Mighty Wings". Maybe the Canucks have to win a Cup(s) like this team to get the same nodding and agreeing bullshit from the TSN and other Eastern media outlets. The SNET loons actually tried to sell that Hansen went into the goalie, because "Zetterberg said he did not push him..." Visual evidence to the contrary ( as soon as those damn NHL clips are up! Sorry, you'll have to click through there later!) I guess the "new kid in town" does not get that kind of hypocrisy unless its the local guys!
And you call yourself reporters. Speaking of which, expect a far leaner "report" on the Flames game on Friday. ( you got extra tonight anyhow! )
Going to hang with the gang for beers that night. Join us here.
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I didn’t like Kesler’s squirliness with Zetturburg but I’m really proud of the way they responded to Kronwall’s dirtiness. Score short handed on a greasy short handed goal, hammer their stars, make it miserable for them.
Next time find a cleaner way to bump zetturburg.
Also
The honey badger takes what he wants. Live it, love it Howard.
honey badger don't care
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notafullcolon CS: Well obviously I meant we were snorting blow off hookers at the time of the goal
by Canuckles on Dec 22, 2011 8:15 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Enjoy this team folks. It is the best we have had.
You know it!
Solid and thorough recap as always Dan. Thanks!
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When the Sedins are gone, this team is going to be very very different.
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
by Semi_Colon on Dec 22, 2011 12:48 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
thats for later
I have no doubt that they will play out the deals, and maybe another shorter one later. But yeah, watching those two at the pinnacle of their thing is fun as hell.
One more game. Then maybe the rest of the hockey world will acknowledge their brilliance. They get some respect, but if the Sedins were born in Ontario or Alberta, they would have more endorsements than Sid.
Thats fine if other fanbases don’t get them or get hung up on them being Twins. I just feel blessed to get to watch them both be superstar players.
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The way we develop talent in the minors
i have faith that some less than spectacular talent we have down there will start to grow quite nicely, thank you very much.
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notafullcolon CS: Well obviously I meant we were snorting blow off hookers at the time of the goal
Niklas Jensen FTW
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by Sean Zandberg on Dec 22, 2011 3:12 PM PST up reply actions
That's the game I saw!
Howard reminded me of Tim “The Princess” Thomas. Glad our two goalies have much more class.
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As sure as the wind in the trees
We rise again .... And then we rise again." - Rankin Family
What? Are you villifying Howard for going after Hansen? He should have gotten a penalty but I don’t blame him one bit for going after him. Has nothing to do with class
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by Sean Zandberg on Dec 22, 2011 12:58 AM PST up reply actions
For the life of me
I cannot get it. Howard went squirrelly in a way that far exceeded Kes’s little fit. How in the fuck did he escape a penalty for the same thing?
Maybe they thought the goal was punishment enough. The quick ones at WIIM saw the contact with Zee’s leg that Kes had. I did not like that.
I liked everything else he did. Fuck you Kronwall. Just because you do the same thing Blake was doing and added the jump, does not make it clean.
I read the whole game thread from tonight over there. Only a couple smart guys caught the jump.
The rest were totally OK with it, or rationalizing with “he did not make contact with his head”
Really? Jumping at a guy is wrong. Period. Just because you do it in a unique way and the refs don’t know how to call it, especially the new young ones, does not make it legal or right.
Do that hit without jumping, like you sometimes do Kronwall, and I want you on my team. Keep jumping and you are no better than Steve Ott….Sean Avery, etc.
But it was fun seeing two great teams go. That was fun huh?
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On the Kesler trip:
TSN Showed the replay, but Fox Sports Detroit did not. Most of the Detroit fans were not even aware it had happened because it got no coverage.
by J.J. from Kansas on Dec 22, 2011 5:46 AM PST up reply actions
Because
the ref thought that the goal was punishment enough. And he had some remorse not calling it off, a borderline sutuation.
So, he didn’t feel like punishing the Wings some more.
It kind of makes sense to me: A clear penalty against Howard, is a good trade-off versus a borderline goal.
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i kinda thought
the goal was a make-up goal for detroits first, which shoulda been called off. But yeah, the goal was penalty enough.
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by Twitchy2010 on Dec 22, 2011 10:11 AM PST up reply actions
I'll take a goal
over a penalty every day of the week
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notafullcolon CS: Well obviously I meant we were snorting blow off hookers at the time of the goal
Used to be, not so long ago in fact, that when a guy hit a guy and both of his feet left the ice as he was doing it, that was an automatic penalty.
Wha hoppened? Were the refs not watching something so blatant to everyone else?
And, oh yeah,
Fuck em all.
WE have the SEDINS!!!!!
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by Bobby Canuck on Dec 22, 2011 3:08 PM PST up reply actions
Z pushed Hansen, so whatever. The game wasn’t exactly called by the book, so we could do this all day. For example, Howard should have got a penalty for instigating.
oh for sure. Lots of fukky reffing both ways, and in the end, WE FUKKING WON!!
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by Sean Zandberg on Dec 22, 2011 1:19 AM PST up reply actions
totally! Fukkery aside, we still one that game in the first period, at even strength. Bite me Detroit!
Fukkery = The 'Nucks slaying the media's BS.
Great recap, as always, Dan.
Yeah I am.
If Luo had done anything like that, I’d have been pissed, provocation or not! The lads take care of it, not the goalie! I love a good fight like the rest of you. And our Luo & Schneds are class acts!
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As sure as the wind in the trees
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I love it when goalies take care of business. And love or hate Timmy Thomas..you fuck with him he makes you pay. I love it.
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by Sean Zandberg on Dec 22, 2011 1:34 AM PST up reply actions
give me a break
his one fight was an atrocity against Carey Price that they laughed at centre ice about.
Why? Because he got away with a cross check on Hank in the Finals? ANOTHER uncalled thing?
Fuck that. Its a fallacy. Every goalie, even Lui ( though you don’t see him swinging his stick…too much class, I guess ) give a chop now and then.
He does not really “make you pay”. Its just when he does something stupid, it gets played up as something “heroic” by the New England Sports Media Mafia
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I disagree on all counts there
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by Sean Zandberg on Dec 22, 2011 1:53 AM PST up reply actions
except for the xcheck on Hank. That was whack. But if you stand in my crease I’ll bruise your damned ankles
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by Sean Zandberg on Dec 22, 2011 1:55 AM PST up reply actions
all?
Wow.
Thats just stupid though. It only works if you work for the only team that gets away with that shit, the Bruins. It gets missed in the traffic, but that shit is not tough, its cowardly. A goalie stick can easily break ankles…not bruise them.
I swear, ( and I like playing it in floor hockey still!) goalies are the biggest fucking cowards on the ice. Always acting all tough, knowing the entire team will jump in, and that they have way more pads anyhow.
To say nothing of the damage you can do with a blocker. I saw a guy on my minor hockey team break a guys face with his blocker.
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goalies the biggest cowards hey. NO WAY
And I like the goalies that can fend for themselves. A goalie stick can break an ankle..but that’s not what I’m saying. I said BRUISE. Stay the fuck out of my crease or your ankle gets it. If you run me..like Hansen did…..yeah you’re gonna get fukt.
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by Sean Zandberg on Dec 22, 2011 2:04 AM PST up reply actions
It wasn't directed at Hansen specifically
Well, it sort of was, but the last few games have seen somone hit Howard while he is in his crease, and he’s a very fiery guy (a la Thomas), so he feels he has to protect his crease.
He mentioned after the game that it seems like every game someone is running him, and he doesn’t know in the heat of the moment what happened, just that an opposing forward barreled into him at full speed while he was trying to make a save.
for what it's worth
that’s what it looked like to me, that he’d had enough, and that it wasn’t personal towards Hansen. Frankly after what’s been allowed against some goalies lately, I don’t blame him.
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Exactly
Here was Howard’s quote after the game:
“I’m just sick and tired of getting run over. It’s every single game.”
As I said, he’s an emotional guy and he’s protecting his crease. Hansen was just one in a line of guys that have had contact with Howard, and he’s starting to get pissed off about it. I think that comment was directed at his teammates as it was to the Canucks.
was
not really that upset with Howard. he was just pissed, like you said. I was puzzled how Kesler doing less than he did earned a two minute call
( Kes did not even make contact, Howie had Hansen around the head at first )…it was more the refs there than the player, for sure.
I do get annoyed when guys like Zee and Jimmy both say I “saw the replay” and not admit what everyone saw on the replay. he pushed in Hansen.
The ref was there and agreed, its why the goal stood. Yet both of them in the pressers were flat out denying that visual evidence.
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He's sick and tired of being run over?
good thing he’s not an elite goalie then… I don’t know if I’ve ever even seen a game where luongo didn’t get run over, jostled, snow showered at least once. Maybe howard needs to grow a set or change positions. Sorry, he gets no pass from me with that excuse…
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Did anyone see the unsportsmanlike call on Vernon Fiddler last night in Philly vs Dallas for his snow shower routine? That was the first time I’ve ever seen that called.
I saw that… and it hurt too. Led to Giroux’s first assist. Giroux was a monster yesterday night.
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by Vancouverguy on Dec 22, 2011 10:11 AM PST up reply actions
it was possibly
the worst snow shower i’ve seen though… it was pretty blatant.
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by Twitchy2010 on Dec 22, 2011 10:11 AM PST up reply actions
3rd goal in the SCF
was a direct result of Luongo getting bowled into by Marchand. So yeah.
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notafullcolon CS: Well obviously I meant we were snorting blow off hookers at the time of the goal
Interesting
Could it be that he’s getting jostled, run over and snow showered because he’s now considered an elite goalie by opposing teams?
As I said, I think that statement was directed at his teammates as a way of saying “hey assholes, keep these idiots away from me”, but that’s strictly my opinion.
However, all goalies are the target of abuse to some degree, and the amount is directly proportional to how good they are. It’s a way for the other team to get in the goalie’s head. I have no problems with Howard taking exception to what he perceives as being run. He got it a lot last year against the Sharks. Like I said, he’s an emotional guy so he’s going to defend himself.
At least he kept his knees tucked in ;)
by Amerinadian on Dec 22, 2011 10:37 AM PST up reply actions
I don't think it's because he's an elite goalie
I think it’s because teams are trying to get away with a little bit more every game and are trying to test the boundaries on what is good and not good. Thank Milan Lucic for that.
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notafullcolon CS: Well obviously I meant we were snorting blow off hookers at the time of the goal
You’d think that at this time, with stronger, faster players, with a concussion epidemic in progress, that the refs, rather than letting them get away with a bit more dangerous play which formerly initiated penalties (Lucic, Kron last night) and testing those safety boundaries, would be a lot wiser in how they call games with a special eye toward safety. Right now the reffing is atrocious…..and dangerous.
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by Bobby Canuck on Dec 22, 2011 3:32 PM PST up reply actions
uh no
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by Sean Zandberg on Dec 23, 2011 12:02 AM PST up reply actions
I love it when goalies take care of business in the nets
Not in fisticuffs and tangles with players. And I didn’t/don’t love the way Tim Thomas acts. But I do love the way our guys can and will stick up for our goalies. I guess it’s a matter of personal preference. If you’re not supposed to hit on the goalie then goalies should not be allowed to so either with impunity.
The really annoying part of the game tonight was the reffing. I like it when the refs don’t micro-manage but I sure as hell didn’t like the Roman arena atmosphere that developed tonight. It was a zoo out there. And where were the penalties on the Wings?
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thats why it was a zoo?
The Canucks saw they were not going to get any protection, so did it themselves.
To tell you the truth, one od the things I am most proud of with this win tonight was about 3-4 guys hitting ( legally ) Kronwall after the “hit”.
First it was Raymond. Bieksa got him once. I think it was Lappy, and someone else too.
Regardless of the minutae of how you judged that hit, a guy steamrolled one of their leaders, and they responded. Bieksa had I think it was 6 hits. He hit Fillippulla after Kronwall’s hit and he disappeared the rest of the game.
That was impressive and tough. Not a goalie occasionally swinging the stick.
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If goalies are going to "take care of business" that's fine
but don’t give goalies like Thomas a 7 foot bubble within which to work outside their crease within which so much as looking at him is penalized. Because that was the impression I got of his expectations from interviews.
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notafullcolon CS: Well obviously I meant we were snorting blow off hookers at the time of the goal
I agree with this narrative.
I agree that the Goalies should be able to protect his area of the net, but if he is allowed to give the guy in front of him a slash, then he should expect the exact same thing. I hate to see Thomas glorified for slashing a screener in the ankles, and yet, when a guy nudges him, the media line up to pile on the guy. You can’t have a cake and eat it too.
If Thomas wants to hack and slash with the boys, then he ought to take it as well.
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by Vancouverguy on Dec 22, 2011 10:14 AM PST up reply actions
replace Thomas
with all goalies, and that is my sentiment exactly. I am all for protecting the goalies, and most teams do that.
I get that it is the area of the net that makes that aspect of the game clear, who wins the net front battle\s.
Goalies can protect themselves, but things like the Thomas forearm and stick sandwich for Hank was over the line. I get the little shot on a skate protected anyhow, but make no bones about it.
These guys are around hockey their entire lives. They know the exact spot to inflict damage, just like Peverly’s uncalled slash on Bieksa in Game 1 that had him taking shots the rest of the way to play.
I do think its a penalty if you hit a goalie like Lucic did, anywhere. The pads, skates, everything makes them sitting ducks to a guy with speed. Let some contact go, and call the shit like Lucic with more than a nod and a laugh and we’re cool…
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Ya… well, yes. But how often do we hear Milbury have an orgasm when Thomas slashes someone, and then goes and cries when someone loses an edge and slide into Thomas?
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by Vancouverguy on Dec 23, 2011 6:41 AM PST up reply actions
and cross check
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notafullcolon CS: Well obviously I meant we were snorting blow off hookers at the time of the goal
I don’t know, I have trouble with this now. I do agree that Thomas seems to get a lot of leeway, but on the other hand it doesn’t matter if a goalie is in his crease, a foot out of it or 30ft from his crease you still aren’t allowed contact with them unless it’s incidental. knowing that now, (I used to think they were fair game out of their crease) Thomas’ “7-foot bubble” doesn’t bother me. As long as it’s called like that for all goalies
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The bubble is fine
I am saying the same guy who wants that bubble is also the guy who often engages in a lot of physical stuff under the expectation that “It’s hockey and I can do that.” You shouldn’t be able to have it both ways.
It’s pretty retarded. Why is it you can have one guy do whatever the fuck he wants on the ice, while so much as looking at him is a penalty or disallowed goal?
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notafullcolon CS: Well obviously I meant we were snorting blow off hookers at the time of the goal
I think the Deputy Sheriff Blake used to get called more for that than Nik’ does.
In fairness, Blake did it a hell of a lot more often. People have this idea in their heads that Kronwall CONSTANTLY does things like this because people are constantly talking about him doing it. It’s been 14 months and 119 games since Kronwall last jumped into a guy (Teemu Selanne on Oct 23, 2010 to be exact).
Doesn’t matter a smidge to ‘Nucks fans, I know, but the truth is that Kronwall has an occasional problem leaping into guys, not a constant one. I wouldn’t complain about a one-game suspension, but I think that would be on the severe end of the scale for what, at it’s core, is really just a charge. Kronwall does need to learn that he has to change how he makes this hit.
by J.J. from Kansas on Dec 22, 2011 5:50 AM PST reply actions
Even though he jumps into the hit I don’t really think it warrants a suspension since he doesn’t specifically go headhunting or uses his arms (like Engelland did on Kruger, jumping, bringing his arms up through Kruger’s face). He should have gotten a charging call though.
I don’t like the sound of Kesler retaliating with a dirty hit on Zetterberg at all. Even if Kronwall shies away from the fight you have to be better than that, Ryan. I had the Wings feed so I never saw the hit, didn’t notice it in full speed and it was never replayed there.
nah I don’t think it was suspendable. He did leave his feet, and I can understand Kes being upset and I wouldn’t have argued a penalty perhaps but I was ok with no penalty for it also because if the ref’s don’t see him leave his feet then it’s a good hit. But I did disagree with Kesler getting the only penalty for the whole thing lol.
Go Canucks Go!
of course it's only occasional
I mean, it’s not like he does it so often that you guys have a nickname for the act, or that the instant he jumps into a guy on the boards you all simultaneously type out “KRONWALLED!” or anything. ;)
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(this is just good-natured teasing, in case it’s not clear. I don’t actually have much of a problem with the hit, especially in lit of all the other weird things that went on, uncalled, for both teams.)
And now, I am prepping to go off and do something REALLY cool & Canucks-related that I will tell you all about when we get back. :)
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great game
Entertainment from start to finish. Silent G, wow what a goal. That was just a blistering shot put in the perfect place.
Kronwall hit should have been a penalty, he left his feet,, that’s usually pretty automatic 2mins, especially considering Van didn’t get a PP all game.
Classic Kronwall hit
Kes was right (needs to keep head up there), but it was a butt-first-charge for sure.
Clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose.
better to go butt-first than risk a head shot
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by Sean Zandberg on Dec 22, 2011 9:55 AM PST up reply actions
These butt shots
Have to stop
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"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
by Semi_Colon on Dec 22, 2011 12:49 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
He couldn't
use his arms because he was facing backwards. That’s pretty innovative, but he fully left his feet. He was two feet in the air. It was clear on the replay.
One thing I disagree with dan
I thought the third line absolutely stunk tonite, 5 on 5. They were hemmed in their own end constantly in the first two periods, and in no way looked like a shutdown line. Hodgson and malhotra were good on faceoffs, as per ushe, but man, if it was in their end they kept getting stuck there.
Best game I’ve watched this season tho…man that was fun hockey to watch.
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I thought they held up well in their own end
After those f/o wins, they sure had a few times where guys could not clear….got that damn right.
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Well they
definitely kept the lanes plugged, but it seemed like 4 out of 5 shifts they spent most of it in their own end failing to clear. That doesn’t show nice optically to me.
Looking forward to drinking with u friday dude!
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me too!
I don’t drink much these days…so pacing will be important!
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i'll be the older guy
in the nucks jersey hanging out with the black and filippino kids…and jj who’s also a kid but white.
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by Twitchy2010 on Dec 22, 2011 10:10 AM PST up reply actions
a little slice of Vancouver!
No jersey for this kid, but I expect I will be appropriately clothed
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hemmed in
against one of the top lines in the NHL bro. We should check out Cam’s scoring chances before we jump to the conclusion that they stunk.
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I'm finaaaaally waking up
from the Stanley Cup hangover. Games like this make it easy.
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Solid 4th line work out there. Lappy/Wiese battles really well, and there was a shift in the third, I think, where they pinned the Red Wings in their Dzone for about a minute, until the Red wings were forced to concede an icing. It was great work by them. Blue-collar, and tenacious. Exceptional and definitely worthy of praise.
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yeah I saw a few good shifts from the 4th line last night :) There was one in the third where Weise jumped right into the offensive zone chasing the dump in from the previous line on a line change where the 4th spent the rest of that shift in the offensive zone with great pressure and a few quality chances. It was great to see :)
Go Canucks Go!
Especially when you consider the pieces of turds we had to put up with in our “third line” and “fourth line”. Hordichuk, anyone?
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by Vancouverguy on Dec 23, 2011 6:43 AM PST up reply actions

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