Canuck Brunch- We're Not So Different, You And I...
In a perfect world, the NHL would have the Canucks and Leafs play each other 6 times a year, instead of the (shudders) Minnesota Wild. And it's not just because the Canucks haven't lost to the Leafs since 2003. It's because the games are so damn entertaining. Drama. Excitement. Highlight reel goals. And quite often, it involves a healthy dose of Leafenfreude. In preparation for today's game, I spent a lot of time thinking about the two franchises, and their fans, and it began to dawn on me: In spite of how much we use the Us vs. Them mindset, we're actually a lot alike. Now calm down, all of you. This isn't nearly as blasphemous as you think. First of all, you have to understand and accept that pre-expansion Stanley Cup wins mean nothing in context. The game changed forever in 1967, the road to the Cup became harder from that moment on. So in our existence, neither team has lifted the mug... More after the jump.
Think for a moment about our fanbases. Two of the largest online presences. Both teams are blessed with blogging communities that are among the very best on the interwebs. Both teams are capable in eliciting strong reactions from every other fanbase in the league. So while everyone puts all this time and effort into vilifying the Canucks, I say not only is this hatred unjustified, but the common bonds between the Leafs and Canucks should see us being allies more often than enemies.
Some people's current dislike of the Leafs has to do with the fact that the Canucks former braintrust is running the show over there in Hogtown. It leads to some delusional thinking from this side, anger towards Burke and Nonis and their time here. And while things may not have been perfect, the team was at times competitive despite being crippled by ownership that simply viewed the team as an investment and nothing more. If not for Burke and Nonis, we would not have the Sedins, Roberto Luongo, hell the make up of this team still bears an imprint of their time here. That's not to say they deserve all the credit. They also gave us Dan Cloutier.
The Leafs and the Canucks fans both have seen their share of heartbreak and disappointment over the years. The Leafs haven't made the finals since they last won the Cup in 67, but that's not to say they didn't have some teams in the 90's that weren't legitimate Cup threats. And for as much as they mock us for the Finals losses, any of them that tell you they wouldn't give anything to have even been in that position is a damn liar. If you think a Game 7 loss wouldn't have caused a riot in Toronto you're kidding yourself. They're more like us than they'd be willing to admit, but both fanbases are outspoken, active, fairly knowledgeable, filled with random idiots and convinced the league is out to get them according to some.
To see the Leafs showing signs of life this season actually makes me happy. Only a moron would think that the Leafs having some degree of success isn't good for the NHL. And especially us long term Canucks fans can relate to the years of suffering with horrible teams as Brian Burke has worked to rebuild the horrific mess he inherited. Both teams have had embarrassing moments: The Canucks with the riots, while the Leafs had to endure this. You may think I am crazy to feel this way, and maybe it's just me getting a little more mature as I get older, but I think my anger and venom as hockey fan can be better used against teams other than the Leafs. After all, it's not like their biggest cheerleader is an 'alleged' child-beating hypocrite, right?
Obviously I want the Canucks to win, and after a couple of infuriating efforts against the NHL's cellar dwellers you can bet they will be fired up for this rare HNIC appearance. But a loss to the Leafs, while it would suck (and make it unbearable on Twitter for a couple days haha), would hardly be the end of the world. I'd rather see the team lose to a team and organization that's slowly earning my respect, than say a Chicago or San Jose.
Anyways, focusing on the game tonight it looks like Daniel Sedin's back spasms have subsided and he's ready to go for tonight. That's a good thing as it should bring some stability back to the Canucks PP, against a team whose Achilles heel seems to be their PK. Mark Mancari and Andrew Ebbett will both take the pregame skate tonight, my gut tells me that we're more likely to see Ebbett than Mancari tonight (sorry, Stanch...).
LEFTOVERS
As disturbing as the Mike Milbury incident is, you can't blame fans of the Canucks for a little righteous indignation. No one went as far as Milbury to paint the Canucks as horrendous human beings, with childish, holier-than-thou name calling and bizarre histrionics that showed the ridiculousness of the situation CBC and NBC's coverage presented: A commentator synonymous with the Bruins was allowed to spew his one-sided vitriol unchecked, while no effort was made to have any type of balance. They chose to run with the narrative (in CBC's case) that they alone created after the Burrows/Auger incident, preferring to use disingenuous opinion rather than be fair and balanced in their presentation. So when I see people saying that we should give Milbury the benefit of the doubt in this incident, you'll forgive me if I laugh in your face. The biggest cheerleader who helped convince so many that the Bruins play the right way is a vile human being. His credibility, and it's mind blowing he ever had any considering his actions as a player, and as a general manager, is completely null and void. Milbury's fall from grace is what happens to all bullies, and something to keep in mind about the Bruins: They all get what's coming to them in the end. Keep that in mind tonight, especially when hearing the all out assault on all things Canuck tonight by the HNIC crew. Just breathe and remember: if we were where the Flames are right now, they wouldn't be talking about us. The Canucks don't dive more. They aren't dirtier. They don't chirp more. Their mistake? They've been winning more, and nothing paints a bigger target on your back than success... Amazing to think it's taken this long, but the Montreal Canadiens have finally fired head coach Jacques Martin. The Habs currently sit in 11th place in the Eastern Conference, with just 13 wins so far. Assistant coach Randy Cunneyworth has been named interim coach for the rest of the season and already there is a massive controversy, as the predictable outcry about Cunneyworth not being a French-speaking coach erupts. If I was a Montreal fan I would be angry at this archaic line of thought. This isn't the old days where the Habs iced a team of nearly all Quebec born and raised players. I would be more concerned that the team find the best coach available, not the best one who can speak French. Limiting the field also limits their chances of success. This shouldn't be so hard to understand, and as a Canadian I know all about the sensitivity of French language and culture and their importance. The Montreal Canadiens are never going to return to their glory days in the new NHL if they try and act like nothing has changed... it looks like Kyle Turris is headed to the nation's capital as word is breaking of a deal to send the disgruntled Phoenix winger to Ottawa. So, good for them I guess?
BAND OF THE DAY- OVERKILL
One of the originators (along with Anthrax) of the New York thrash metal scene, these guys don't nearly get the credit they deserve for mixing punk and hardcore with early metal. The band has not slowed down a step in all these despite numerous personnel changes, and lead singer Bobby 'Blitz' Ellsworth surviving cancer AND a mild stroke on stage! Here's a sampling of some of their kickass tunes over the years:
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Overkill’s lead singer’s voice….can only handle it in small doses.
Love the song Horrorscope though!
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first band I ever interviewed
I don’t mind his voice, the quintessential thrash style.
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Lucic at it again
5 and a game for hitting Zack Rinaldo from behind in a game the Bruins are leading 5-0. Rinaldo got up and kicked the crap outta Nathan Horton after it.
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What a gigantic turd.
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by SSreporters on Dec 17, 2011 12:26 PM PST up reply actions
no surprise here
jonasTSN1050 Jonas Siegel
No suspension for Dion Phaneuf for Kassian hit last night.
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Holy crap. Look at Rome!!- Sean Zandberg
Hey guys. Just came in here to post the terrible dream this morning
We were up 3-2 in the series against Columbus in the Stanley Cup Final (I assume it’s in 2012-13 as we’re in the same conference now), the game was tied 0-0 and we were in double OT. Burrows and the Sedins botch a 3-on-2 and there’s under a minute left in the extra session.
There’s a mad scramble in the neutral zone for the puck, and then a Columbus player literally flips the puck from near center ice and Luongo essentially pulls a Cloutier. Vancouver loses game 6 at home and then the dream never went to game 7.
Typical Canucks, haunting me in my sleep, too!
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You didn't realize you were having a dream
When Columbus was in the Finals?
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
Nope. I've dreamed of NFL games playing in June and nothing raises suspicion. What's weird is I know I'm in a dream 80% of the time
But when that happens either the dream ends or I hang around in dream mode for a little bit longer.
Let’s just say that dream version of myself was very pissed at Luongo.
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by SSreporters on Dec 17, 2011 12:31 PM PST up reply actions
I just realized
Not only would Columbus be in the finals but they must have had home ice over us because that was game 6 in Vancouver.
Hot damn. I don’t even watch those guys so I have no idea how they got into my fantasy world.
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by SSreporters on Dec 17, 2011 12:32 PM PST up reply actions
Stick to dreaming about girls. Far less let-down :)
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by Sean Zandberg on Dec 17, 2011 1:16 PM PST up reply actions
Cue the laughter
@helenenothelen: Darryl Sutter has been hired as the Kings’ next coach and will take over on Tuesday.
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LOL Kings
That’s the guy I think of to turn a sinking ship around.
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by SSreporters on Dec 17, 2011 12:27 PM PST up reply actions
6-0 Boston
train wreck of a game for the Flyers and they lost Coutourier after he took a slapshot to the back of the head…
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looks like a spat
dchesnokov Dmitry Chesnokov
His phone is also no longer in service. RT @SunGarrioch: Filatov assignment to bingo is paperwork. He won’t be there
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Holy crap. Look at Rome!!- Sean Zandberg
Marshmont tossed
because he wouldn’t shut his stupid ugly mouth
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Heh my fantasy team is going to win PIMs this week for sure
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
awwww... B's fans can't handle truth
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@KentBaskyNM Dont you have a car to burn or a store to loot, Loser
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trolololol
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by Sean Zandberg on Dec 17, 2011 1:17 PM PST up reply actions
@KentBaskyNM Dont you have a car to burn or a store to loot, Loser
Nope – in a cab right now and deciding whether to pay of beat up the cab driver.
something's obviously wrong with my keyboard
- in a cab right now deciding whether to pay or beat up the cab driver.
the common bonds between the Leafs and Canucks should see us being allies more often than enemies.
I always tell my friends in Toronto a similar thing. If we leave out the Original 6 days, the Leafs and Canucks have had similar existences – long periods of incompetent management and terrible play, punctuated by some impressive teams that gave fans hope but ultimately failed to live up to their seeming promise. Both fanbases have suffered some major disappointments over the years, and you think there would be more recognition of these similarities.
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I've often thought this too
so I’m really liking this post from Kent. As a newer hockey fan, I don’t have years of (possibly justified) Leafs hatred to al with, and as a person who’s life changed dramatically for the better when she moved to Canada, it’s actually really hard for me to hate any of the Canadian teams. I don’t know if this is good or bad, or if it will changeover time. But for now, I sort of like being able to enjoy success for other teams even when I do hate some of their individual players and/or fans.
"You don’t have a right to the cards you believe you should have been dealt. You have an obligation to play the hell out of the ones you’re holding."
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I feel incredibly nerdy right now :p
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by nucksandpucks on Dec 17, 2011 1:07 PM PST up reply actions
whee, Balance of Terror?
That’s one of my favorites.
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seeing the tweet, i thought it was Austin Powers.
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Very good points. I have actually rooted for the team over the last few years. As a Nucks fan, I know what it’s like to get dumped on by sizable chunks of the rest of the league. And the long stretches of mediocrity should also bond us. That being said, I hope we whip them today.
Leafs also have the worst PK in the league right now, so hopefully we can light them up like a Christmas tree. : )
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Random
I went to the Robson st Team Store yesterday and they are still using ‘Stanley Cup Finals 2011’ shopping bags for purchases. The cashier said they’re trying desperately to get rid of them.
lol. /sad trombone
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Maybe they should just give them away then!
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by Sean Zandberg on Dec 17, 2011 1:49 PM PST up reply actions
or burn them?
ehhh, maybe not such a good idea
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I turned one into a gym bag for my kid
and every Friday it comes home stinking. I feel ok about this!
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heh
markhmasters Mark Masters
Henrik Sedin, who hasn’t missed time since the 03-04 season, has been giving Daniel a hard time over missing Thursday’s game
What a jerk!
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and
markhmasters Mark Masters
Sedin brothers switched up their locker-stall nameplates today forcing Toronto media to play ‘Guess that twin’
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I love these guys
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by Sean Zandberg on Dec 17, 2011 1:50 PM PST up reply actions
me too
that one they do every time they are there, I think
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I hope Milbury loses his job, but somehow I doubt it. The sport could really do without his spite and vitriol.
I know some people have compared him to Don Cherry, but I don’t see it. Yes, Grapes can be abrasive and xenophobic, but the one thing that always comes through is his genuine love for the sport. His brain may not inhabit the same planet as the rest of us, but he stands by his convictions and you know he wants what he thinks is best for the game.
Where I think Milbury differs is that while Cherry is driven by love; Milbury is driven by hate. He comes across as spiteful and nasty in a way few other commentators have ever been able to match. A man whose initial claim to fame was that as a player he assaulted a fan has no business being the voice of the game.
Milbury’s time should be done.
by DCR on Dec 17, 2011 1:57 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I generally agree with you about Milbury. There are times where I enjoy his analysis and insight, but those are far outweighed by his adolescent bully persona which allows him to lash out at whoever does not fit into his idea of what a hockey player should be.
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by nucksandpucks on Dec 17, 2011 2:17 PM PST up reply actions
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VAN lines VS TOR: Daniel-Henrik-Burrows Higgins-Kesler-Raymond Malhotra-Hodgson-Hansen Mancari-Lapierre-Weise
Finally no D on the 4th line
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thats more like it
back to a knock about 4th line as long as MANcari steps up on the big stage
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Eh, still feel better about this than having Andrew “It’s like playing in a mirror” Alberts up there. He was not comfortable at forward.
Andrew Alberts once had an awkward moment, just to see how it feels.
yeah
Though Rome was not as bad, its not a great long term thing.
MANcari showed me some stuff as a 3rd liner though, and that is a line where he can maybe surprise as a shooter.
Lappy is an underrated playmaker
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Murph'
has him on the 4th,
FWTW
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