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Off Day Musings ; Special Ginger Edition

I have not met them all myself, but from admittedly, "sometimes it's lighting" visual evidence, I would put our Ginger Quotient here in Vancouver at about six. That is almost one third of the team. It is perhaps what is so off putting to fans from other teams, playing against so many with "no souls". ( And several who play like they sold their souls if you listen to those same fans! ) All I know is that the guys with the red hair are a few of the big reasons for the latest streak. Winning is fun huh?

So, let us take a look at how they are doing to date. After the little bar thingie...

Star-divide

( I'm just coming down with the flu right now folks...so if the antihistamine kicks in...welllll....)

First and foremost has to be The Daywalker. Cory Schneider. Currently ( its early though, he is third in save %, fifth in GAA), has 2 S/Os and is playing in the zone. While you all know how big of a Roberto Luongo fan I am, I would not be surprised in the least if he starts against the Predators. It is a maxim of coaching to ride these kind of hot streaks. (Edit ; TEAM just told me that AV told them that he is starting the next game. #RidetheStreak ) It is how guys like Jim Carey rise like a phoenix and then fade away. Brian Boucher holds the record for consecutive S/O's. How many teams has he played for again? How many teams would be burning incense on the alter of Jacques Palnte for the same "problem" the Canucks supposedly have? You can hear him from this morning here.

As an aside, I just watched the practice that was broadcast on CDC today. Some observations... AV definitely is the man, but he has Bowness and Brown running a fair amount of the drills. I am continually amazed at the athletic level these guys play at. They seemed to be having fun, and while their were some drills that were not game type ones, a lot of the drills were line rushes. 2 on 1's, 2 on 2's, 3 on 2's. In those drills, it was Luongo that was stoning far more guys. He looked really good.

It was Mason Raymond with Cody Hodgson and Jannik Hansen on several drills that I noticed. How about that for a third line though huh? If he and Silent G can get some chemistry going...look out.

If it means anything, it was Schneider that left the ice first, and in the 2 on 0's that they did on Luongo after that, he let in one goal before the screen went black. Not to keep pumping Lui's tires, but it sure looked like his play will be solid when he finally gets back in the crease.

Thing One and Two is my favorite other fans' nickname for the Sedins. Daniel and Henrik, in addition to being the leaders, Art Ross winners, and all around classy guys in the community, they have decided to play with everyone's minds a bit and change it up this year. Henrik is the scorer, and Daniel is the one with the assists. Some games other teams can mitigate their influence on the game, but you cannot shut these guys down for long. With Daniel getting his first goal in eight games last night, maybe he gets back to being the shooter. Either way, it seems they might put paid to the assertion that if you check them with the idea that Henrik is going to just try to pass to his brother all the time, you might have success. Always getting better those guys. Thanks again Brian Burke. ( Daniel is tied for 4th in points as of today. He is second in assists in the NHL, with Henrik tied with others for fifth, as well as being tied with others for sixth overall in points. )

David Booth might just make it in under the Ginger category, or by the strictest definition, no. Ask your hairdresser. Either way, it may be time to put another opinion to bed in regards to the newest Canuck. Last night, he basically said it himself that he was trying to do too much when he got here. It is no surprise that his production and better play has happened as Ryan Kesler has gotten back into KesLord mode, as well as the continued excellence of Christopher Higgins. I am disappointed in one thing though. We have a few nicknames for the line he is on, but has anyone come up with anything other than Grizzly?

Is Dale Weise another Ginger up close, but not on TV? Hard to say, but while it was the big news out of practice that Mase was on the 3rd line, it looks like it is Aaron Volpatti that drops out. The man does play his role well on most nights, and while the hands show flashes, maybe now that Mad Max and Malhotra are the linemates, pressure that should result in chances won't die on #54's stick.

There might be some doubt on a couple of the guys above, but there is none when it comes to the Ginger waiting in the wings, Alexander Sulzer. Bright red and with a beard to boot, our latest German looked solid when he was in, and while it was Aaron Rome practicing in Sami Salo's place today, his presence is welcome depth and more red hair to stand out in the room after practice.

Meanwhile, as I write this and the news of the day comes out, it seems that the TEAM guys are absolutely LOVING this. After Roberto came out and very politely said "I get the appetite for it, but honestly, I am totally OK with it, and happy for Cory. It is all about the team, and we are winning..." basically I am paraphrasing, but listen to Mike Gillis yesterday for how the team feels. Roberto was all about the team today, and Mathew Sekeres decided to say he was "prickly", etc. He then went on to mention they can "say" what they want, but IT IS ( you know, because he says it is...) a big deal because Gillis signed Luongo long term...blah blah blah.

You know that hyperbole is never going to be muted in this market, especially when listening to 1040! But honestly, as much they want to make this into a story, AV is doing what every coach in every league would do. He is riding the streak. Though, just imagine if we get to next Thursday in Montreal and the hometown boy is not the starter. HNIC will probably implode!

GINJA POWAH!!!! #ridethestreak

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What amazes

me is how much ass kissing 1040 did to get the Canucks broadcasts away from CKNW, and how openly beligerent they now seem to be towards certain members of the team. It mystifies.

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by Smoboy41 on Nov 30, 2011 3:35 PM PST reply actions  

6 year contract

just signed. I guess they are feeling uppity. Sekeres was the most belligerent on the “controversy” as well as basically discounting AV and MG comments on it…because they did not fit the narrative that fills hours of programming.

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by vancitydan on Nov 30, 2011 3:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Do Sekeres

and the like actually go into the room and talk to the players, or do they throw shit from the comfort of their studio, like little media monkeys?

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by Smoboy41 on Nov 30, 2011 4:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Matty

was a reporter for the G&M, and they have all been there at one point in their careers. But except for the Botchford Rick Ball, Joey Kenward, Jeff….Patterson ( lol ) types, most of them know are just talking heads.

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by vancitydan on Nov 30, 2011 4:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Media wordjerkers like that are like guys masturbating ...

1) Only a little has to stick to fuel gossip
and
2) A meaningful relationship was never their intention.

by Nux4Ever on Nov 30, 2011 4:14 PM PST up reply actions  

What would you have them report?

Honestly? A goalie who has a contract as long and lucrative as Luongo’s sitting when healthy IS newsworthy and it IS controversial. Regardless of what Luongo says. The fact that he’s being cool about it just means that flames of this fire aren’t getting further flamed. Why the needless hate on the TEAM when they’re having the exact same discussion we have on here?

by Canuckelhead on Nov 30, 2011 5:01 PM PST up reply actions  

This debate is as old as this site

The TEAM reports on the stories around this team. This is a story. If they didn’t talk about it? People would be mystified that the home of the Canucks wasn’t reporting on such a big story. You can’t win with hockey fans.

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by Mike Feeney on Nov 30, 2011 6:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Reporting

is fine, but is there a need to say Luongo was ‘prickly’? Doubtful.

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by Smoboy41 on Nov 30, 2011 10:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Why?

Luongo can seem prickly, he’s earned that reputation by being prickly. Just like bertuzzi before him. So it’s not so crazy for someone to have the opinion that he was being prickly in this case. You don’t happen to have that opinion and I agree with you, from what i’ve seen he seems like a supportive teammate but neither of us had interactions with the man.

by Canuckelhead on Nov 30, 2011 10:54 PM PST up reply actions  

it is funny

with that particular player. They put words in his mouth all the time.

If you think Lui is “prickly”, thats fine. Your opinion and all that. I think he is human…and if I asked you the same damn question for a week, I would say it in about the same way he did.

He sounded just fine. “I get that its a story….” “Cory and I are fine….” “It’s all about the team…” Every thing he said in the interview I listened to today was just fine.

Yet, within two minutes of it happening, Matty is pressuring Patterson ( who played along…) to read “body language…” and “tell us if he was exasperated…”

Which sets up the Don and B Mac show an hour later to “discover” that "Its not a slight on Luongo…if you were asked the same thing, you would get…blah blah blah.

All of it ( and I don’t see the Bertuzzi connection at all. Bertuzzi was an asshole with the media guys. He plain did not like talking to them. Bobby Lui is “Funny Bob” all the time. He seems to have a genuine and good relationship with a bunch of them.

They went over the line from “reporting” on the guy long, long ago. Luongo is the headliner in the movie the TEAM tells us every day. I get what you were saying above about them being the media, and all that, but honestly, they DO play up whatever molehill they can into Mount Everest at every opportunity.

Just my opinion. I’ve never met the man either.

He seems more like this ; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBFPSLNhGP0

than “prickly”.

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by vancitydan on Dec 1, 2011 3:17 AM PST up reply actions  

I agree, that's why I said so above
You don’t happen to have that opinion and I agree with you, from what i’ve seen he seems like a supportive teammate

But you must be able to see how in the past he has come across as arrogant or “prickly”. Of course Luongo is the headliner. He’s the most polarizing figure on the team and every fan has a strong opinion about him. As far as the TEAM turing a molehill into a mountain, they have 24 hours of airspace to fill and only so much story to go around, of course it’s gonna seem that way. It’s really not much different than the average comment thread on here.
P.S. I have met Luongo and i’ve told you as much before. He seemed like a really nice guy, but I don’t have to deal with him everyday like the press guys do. I only bring it up because last time you inexplicably called me a liar.

by Canuckelhead on Dec 1, 2011 11:19 AM PST up reply actions  

I remember

chalk it up to people say things like that. I do believe you now, for what that is worth ;-)

Honestly, I just get annoyed with being called the chief Luongo “apologist” here.

I am a big fan of the guy, because I do think we have one of the elite goalies in the NHL. His save % is 3rd since they started counting shots in the 70’s sometime (’74?)

That means when I hear the blame for the Cup, for instance, I get my dander up about the crease. Apologies, for what that is worth to you as well.

TEAM could fill things up with a bit more intelligence than the way they go about it, you know? How in the hell it gets portrayed as TEAM Cory versus TEAM Luongo all the time is ridiculous. Like Sekeres dismissing any assertion otherwise that Schneids is the “#1” now.

It gets a segment of the fans all wound up on trading the guy that has done the crease thing for a long time and done it very well.

I love that we have a 1A, !B thing. I love watching Schneider’s game. Hell, honestly, I think it is helping Lui as well. Any injury is long gone, he is out practicing today for instance with the only other guys (2) on the ice this morning, and as TEAM reports everything, they dissected his body language after Raymond ( I like that they called his shot a “rocket” ) beat him a couple times to the glove.

The thing about him being arrogant or distant, again, is a distant memory as far as I can see. He is more, as PITB and others call him “Funny Bob” all the time.

It is fascinating on the style of the sports radio guys that they have went for the S vs L story, and feed into the folks that call them and propose Luongo for Lecalvelier (sp) …oh, wait.

Peace

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by vancitydan on Dec 1, 2011 11:36 AM PST up reply actions  

I totally agree about Luongo

and I certainly agree about people blaming him for the final. That couldn’t be more wrong. I find myself defending him to people who don’t know much about hockey all the time too and it drives me mental. He’s one of the best, most consistent goalies in the world and only once he’s gone will people appreciate how lucky we’ve been. The thing i’ve come to realize is this; the loudest voices from the “fans” are usually people who don’t actually know much about hockey. Since they don’t know much about hockey there’s only two things they know how to do celebrate a win or find a scape goat for a loss. This finding a scape goat on your sports team is a big function of the service that team provides to whatever city/society they’re from and for a variety of reasons, fair or not, Luongo is this teams current scape goat

by Canuckelhead on Dec 1, 2011 2:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Fair Q

To use your word — report— I’d prefer them to do just that, report (based on facts, interviews, etc.) rather than speculate or create the news. Any newsworthiness or controversy should be based on the truth, not fiction.

My view, of course; others are entitled to their own..

by Nux4Ever on Nov 30, 2011 5:23 PM PST reply actions  

If the TEAM did that they'd go the way of the dodo....or Pratt I guess

If all they did was report nobody would listen. Opinion is what people expect out of their news sources these days. Take a flick through a newspaper these days and you’ll realize how different the perspective of the stories are from even ten years ago. It’s all about opinion. In every medium newscasters are slowly but surely being replaced by personalties. Why do people like Onrait and Otoole win awards? Because people think they are funny and so you tune in to watch their antics as much as to get the sports news. Especially since most people that have tuned in already know all about the lead stories. Even if the biggest news day in sports history happened, if all the TEAM did was report the facts bulletin style they’d have zero listeners within an hour.

by Canuckelhead on Nov 30, 2011 5:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Antics, I don't mind.

It’s when they try couching their opinions as ‘reporting’, I call foul.

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by Smoboy41 on Nov 30, 2011 10:20 PM PST up reply actions  

But you're missing my point

Nobody reports anymore. It’s all opinion with very few limited exceptions. Maybe what you might have a problem with are these people’s specific opinions? All Botchford gives is opinions but I think we can all agree he’s the best sports “reporter” in town.

by Canuckelhead on Nov 30, 2011 10:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Botch'

I listen to him on TEAM when I am up early these mornings. He does play the TEAM “game” a bit now, but in his Province stuff, he “reports”. It does have some of his opinion in there, because he has earned that from us with his reporting over the years.

But for guys that are titled “reporters” on the TEAM, apart from him, there is Patterson and Kenward going in the room, and maybe Ball and Shorty getting in there too.

None of them have a show though.

Botchford gives us more facts in the Province than on TEAM, but when he does, I think its just semantics to say he gives us just his opinions. Of course there is going to be the mirror he is for what they tell him, and he does have a slant that his TEAM work pulls out more.

As to the larger question of how the news is being turned into entertainment, you can still easily find “news” channels on TV and in other forms of media. PBS, BBC, hell, compared to CNN and the tawdry FOX, CBC and CTV are Walter Fucking Cronkite.

Which is where I would place TEAM…about on the FOX side of things. Because you are 100% bang on. In the States, they are #1 in the ratings ( though they neglect to tell you that when you break down the actual numbers of people that watch ANY news down there, being #1 in the US is not that big a deal. ), yet more people down there say they get their news from Jon Stewart and Colbert these days.

I just wish TEAM would act more on the BBC side of things than the FOX side, but I do understand that if I want to get the info, I have to put up with the hyperbole, because they are the #1 source. It is telling that none of these guys calls themself reporter any more now that they have a radio show. Sekeres seems to be going out of his way to burn his G&M bridges and replace Pratt as the guy that “says things”

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by vancitydan on Dec 1, 2011 3:30 AM PST up reply actions  

Marshall McLuhan said

“the medium is the message” And newspaper is as different a medium from radio as you can get. So comparing the way a guy "reports’ or reacts to stories between the two mediums, even if it’s the same guy for both, is never going to work as a comparison.

I think you need to understand that what you are expecting out of the Team is impossible. First of all. No news is just news. As soon as it is on the TV or Radio it has to be in varying degrees infotainment. The medium, radio or TV, informs the message. If you want straight reporting and facts? You get that in sports from the updates. “Ducks win 4-1. Fire Carlyle. Canucks play tonight. etc etc” but you can’t fill a radio station with 24 hours of sports updates. So you need shows. And shows are not fact based. Nor are the people who are on them reporters in any way shape or form. They are entertainers. They are radio show hosts. Just like their counterparts on a music station or a news based station like CKNW. They are paid to give opinion and inflame debates. That’s their job and they do it pretty well. This is the biggest story in Canuck land right now and everyone is entitled to an opinion on Luongo and how he is handling the situation. The guys on the Team are all pundits unless they only read the sports updates. Those guys are reporters. Even when a Newspaper reporter goes on the Team he is no longer reporting. She or he is giving his opinions on the story he or she reported.

As McLuhan so wisely states every medium has it’s own built in biases on top of the biases inherent in the people who report or punditize™. Even the BBC has biases because it is state financed. You can see it in some of their reporting. Honestly? I don’t think Fox is that much more biased than any other news agency an they certainly aren’t trying any more or less to entertain. They are simply more open about the fact they are doing it. I still don’t like them and I don’t agree with their politics, although that’s personal, but I respect the hell out of how good they are at their jobs as media people.

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by Mike Feeney on Dec 1, 2011 7:10 AM PST up reply actions  

Punditize?

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by Smoboy41 on Dec 1, 2011 8:23 AM PST up reply actions  

I made it up on the fly

it’s what I do. You don’t have to thank me.

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by Mike Feeney on Dec 1, 2011 12:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Is it

Sasky english?

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by Smoboy41 on Dec 2, 2011 11:30 AM PST up reply actions  

I love that book

though it was written a couple technologies ago, its still so current.

There has been a bit of a change that I think we were sort of dancing around Mike. The “reporters” used to look down their noses at radio “opinion” guys.

Now, they have set up the reporter from the “National” paper as a Pratt type opinion guy.

While Botch still straddles the line.

Its funny. Brett Baier used to be the Pentagon guy in the States, and broke a lot of stories. He went to Fox, and now has to justify his opinion daily because of the pollution of the opinion makers like O’Rielly and most the others on the channel.

There is other sports journalism in Vancity, but there is also a huge symbiotic relationship between team and TEAM.

Honestly, people talking about whatever is what they care about, as long as they talk about the Canucks.

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by vancitydan on Dec 1, 2011 8:37 AM PST up reply actions  

actually McLuhan said

the medium is the “massage”

But yeah, I don’t really disagree with you.

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by Canuckles on Dec 1, 2011 10:45 AM PST up reply actions  

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