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Canucks At Sharks Recap ; Don't Believe The Hype  (3-2W)

 

The San Jose Sharks.  The Shark Tank.  Without a doubt, the Sharks have to be considered one of the top teams since the lockout.  They are very good at home, just like the Canucks usually are. Deep, big talented players and multi-talented blueliners, sorta like you know who. There is even the kinship this team has with the Canucks as top teams that have not won it all.

The series that inspired yet another "hated rival" for the Canucks was very entertaining, and had some twists and turns as they all do. But, no offense to the Sharks and their fans, its not like they got it to a seventh game...

4-1. Yep, Ben Too Eager gifted a game, and the winning goal inspired The Stanchion to emerge from his high tech cave to delight and entertain, but to this day the Shark players talk about being the "better team" that just was unlucky. ("sigh") .  It is hard to argue with the basic math of the result.  

When Dr Snark Recchi Esquire, Ret. gave the benefit of his wisdom to the masses last week, Ryane Clowe and Douglas Murray decided to roll with the diagnosis of the good doctor.  We should all thank them.  Hell, I knew this was going to be a fun game when I saw it on the schedule, and trash talking just adds to the flavour, and usually makes for some inspired hockey on the ice.  It also turned out to add some nastiness. Maybe they really do hate our Heroes of Hollywood North.

But, even if you think he said it was some sort of Keslurk smirk, here is how the Canuck assistant captain put it when asked before the game. At least our guy is trying right?

"That's them," said Kesler. "You know, they can say whatever they want. I don't understand. We play the game hard and we play it tough. We play their skilled players tough and most don't like it.

"We're going to stay classy and we're going to play our game and that's a fast-paced game and if we do that, I like our our chances."

Did the game live up to the hype? You'll have to venture past the break for that.

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Damned straight it did, at least in the first ( OK, the whole damn entertaining wild ride!).  How about the first work of his night shift for Mr Schneider on Patrick Marleau.  That'll get the blood pumping.  The Canucks's Team America line seems to be finding its identity, and that is as a fast forechecking,puck hunting, hitting style.  We know that Ryan Kesler and Chris Higgins relish that style, but the man with the memorable shifts was one David Booth early.

Thing is, the San Jose Sharks do not have the record they do by being a bunch of wussy perimeter players.  They had some shifts that were spent entirely in the Vancouver end, playing our own style of hunting the puck down low to lead to scoring chances.  The Canucks were passable, I guess, in their own end, but thank goodness Cory Schneider is in a stone cold groove right now.  He was helped by a lot of good sticks in lanes and blocks ( a stat they led in, having 8 blocks, with Alberts, Ballard, Bieksa and Hamhuis all splitting it up equally.  The Sharks had 6, with Douglas Murray getting his big butt in front of 3.

Now, you can call the first goal for the Canucks lucky.  It certainly had all the hallmarks of that.  But it was all started by Keith Ballard going to the net, getting bumped into Antti Miemi, and making him lose his stick.  He drew an assist with Jannik Hansen, and Manny Malhotra was on the scoresheet once again for his carom shot off Murray's foot.

It was a shame that a pretty solid period for the Canucks against the tide ( SJ had the edge in territorial play and pressure in the first ) was somewhat mitigated by Andrew Murray getting a goal with less than five minutes left to tie it up.  It was one of the few times they were chasing in their own end instead of finding your check and sticking with him.  A nice play on Edler by Desjardins, and Maxim Lapierre being a bit late to Murray told the tale, and it was 1-1 after twenty.

Counting Crows - San Jose won most of the stats in the opener.  They had 7 takaways to the visitors' 3. ( most of that down low ) They were ahead in the f/o's 9 to 5, with Joe Thornton going 4/4.  Chris Higgins had 3 shots to lead his team, while Booth had 1 as well as a takeaway. ( the most noticeable in the non stat sheet category as well! )

 

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It was funny in the opening period to see both coaches go by the book on the matchups, with the first through fourth lines all meeting their counterparts.  That is a little harder to achieve in the second period for coaches, as the long change does not allow it.  It is one of the reasons the second is often the period where a game turns.

But another aspect on what turns a game is adjustments, and the Canucks made a subtle one that led to great results in the middle stanza.   They were a bit more structured in their support for the defensemen on dump ins and breakouts, leading to a great many times where the Sharks attempting to do what they did in the first, dominate the puck down low, and have it already going the other way, usually on the other side as the Canucks read the home team overloading one side to gang the puck.

So, you knew, inevitably, that even though the refs were letting them play, that there would be something called, and it was Lapierre, on a hit where Dale Weise had the guy already lined up.  That led to some fantastic pressure on the power play by the Sharks, and 6 shots that Ginger Jesus turned aside.  It also led to that paragon of class and virtue Joe Thornton, reacting to a good Burrows play by giving him a hack on the hand that TV showed drew blood                 ( probably a shattered nail, they said pinky. For non hockey players, it is soooooooooo painful ) and drew a power play for the #1 unit in the NHL.

No offense to the Sharks power play. They were very good tonight.  But they are not the Canucks power play, which was far better at moving it from one side to the other.  It all culminated in Dan Hamhuis getting a quick and accurate shot on net. Neimi made a save but gave a huge rebound, and Captain Ginger was there to beat Niemi coming across for the 2-1 goal.

The second line, and especially Ryan Kesler, would make what turned out to be the winner ( and I will lay big money that Andrew Alberts was no one pick in the SPW for the GWG ) happen with hard work, hunting a puck in the corner, making Demers look silly, and feeding Alberts for a hard wrister that made it through the screen and beat the goaltender high.

But even when that paragon of honorable play Joe Thornton ( and look, he had a great game.  Sami Salo did get the stick in there. But I always giggle when the player hooked can turn 360 degrees in the air from it. Sure Joe.  The Sharks never embellish or dive ) got his team on the power play, it was Cory Schneider sending pucks back with ease.

Counting Chickens - The Canucks outshot the Sharks 11-10 in the first, but it was 19-11 for the home team in the second.  Daniel Sedin had 4 shots through two, while Joe Pavelski had 5. Burns and Boyle had 4 each through fourty minutes.  Ballard had 3 blocks, but Murray had 5 as the Sharks blocked 14 shots to the Canucks 13 through two periods. Kesler was the best of a bad lot on faceoffs at 3/7, while both Marleau and Pavelski were 6/8. and Joe was 5/7.

 

Tertiary - 

 

I was thinking of just putting Ginja Niinja's fave clip here, the Black Night from Monty Python. ( well, he and his dad's fave. Its why its on the back of the mask.)  Suffice to say that the Sharks had the edge in play in this one. 16 to 4 in shots ( even with one PP to zero...wow )

It truly was a team effort though.  And I don't want to make it sound all that overwhelming. After the power play ( again with Joe Thornton being involved in things. He drew a hooking call on Henrik Sedin, but afterwards, and CBC showed it to us clearly, he got away with a two handed woodsman chop on Hank's feet without a penalty.  It was a harbinger of things to come too, as the Sharks got away with a couple holds in the last 4 minutes as the refs refused to "be the difference" )  Not complaining though. It shows what they do and do not call though, as this was in the middle of the ice and near the puck, I doubt they all missed it.

But after they killed off that PK with maybe their best of a perfect 3 for 3 on the penalty kill.  After that, while the Sharks were certainly pressing, the Canucks were able to play a solid defensive game and get pucks out more assuredly.

Joe would make a nice play from behind the net to Marleau, who beat Ginger for the game's last goal, but even though it got interesting in the last minute with a silly icing by Bieksa, the canucks held off the home team for an impressive win.

Counting Points( all the way back to Vancouver! ) - Ryan Kesler fought his way back to finish 6/11, as well as having an assist, a shot, a miss, a block, 2 hits, a takeaway, and once again was the motor of the game's best line. David Booth only had 2 shots, 1 miss, 2 takeaways and 3 giveaways, but may have had one of his better nights on that line again. Ballard had an assist, a +2, and 3 blocks, but the best guy by far was Cory Freaking Schneider. 47 saves.

 

Don't believe the hype. Pierre Lebrun's favorite team talked like they were going to run the Canucks out of this game. They outshot them, blew them away on the draws, were going to outhit them ( actually, no, they were up 16-11 in hits after 2, but the Canucks won that stat 21-19.  The most devastating, a second period hit on Edler by McGinn that caused the Canucks to play 5 defenders in the third hopefully did not injure our #1 blueliner too much), and will talk about being the "better team" tonight from the comfort of their nice Cali Cool homes.  But it was the visitors with the only stat that counts in the standings.

 

 

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All this whining about not being the most popular kid at school needs to stop. Who cares what other fans or players think? Grab a backbone and not give a bleep. Frankly you are all feeding into the rep that nucks fans are insecure and whiney.

by Mojo J on Nov 26, 2011 10:51 PM PST reply actions  

What I find annoying is that other players can trashtalk the canucks all they want, but looking at the canucks, they don’t do the same kind of trashtalking back. They really do let their play on the ice dictate who they are. A lot of what these other players say is really unfounded, at least from what the canuk players say…

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by kiyotok on Nov 26, 2011 11:06 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

If you don’t at least comment on what is said about the team, you look aloof and disinterested, almost arrogant because you’re blinded to criticism. If you acknowledge it, then fans look insecure?

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by Yankee Canuck on Nov 26, 2011 11:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Thanks

Dr. Phil.

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by Smoboy41 on Nov 27, 2011 12:02 AM PST up reply actions  

Thanks

What is with every other fan base thinking they are moraly superior to us no matter what, and always coming around to tell us how to behave ourselves?

Here’s something for you: fuck off

"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"

by Semi_Colon on Nov 27, 2011 7:08 AM PST via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

mojo j

is a Canuck fan Semi.

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by Mike Feeney on Nov 27, 2011 7:13 AM PST up reply actions  

Is he?

I’m mobile so I didn’t check. Well maybe I take that back then.

"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"

by Semi_Colon on Nov 27, 2011 7:53 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

No worries

Id tell myself to f off too.
I take Yankees aloof and disinterested route. Great teams (and fans) don’t give a fuck what other people think. I just hate all the obsessing about what other people think of the Canucks and us fans.
I live in LA and only have a couple Canucks fan friends here. I hang out with loads of leafs, sens, wings, hawks and kings fans. No one gives a crap about the Canucks or Canucks fans except an odd goof who has their own issues they should be dealing with.

Let’s just worry about the Canucks and stop obsessing about what other people think. You will be surprised how little they think of you.

by Mojo J on Nov 27, 2011 9:36 AM PST up reply actions  

I totally agree Mojo

we are at least trying to #embracethehate in Vancity these days.

I just brought it up as a frame for the game. Which, I thought, the team did a fantastic job of the staying away.

The only talking I really saw was Hank talking to the refs after he got a hooking call and Joe did not get one for the two handed lumberman’s slash to the feet seconds earlier.

I don’t think it was written to whine about it, but I will try and keep that in mind next time when or if the subject adorns a Recap

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by vancitydan on Nov 27, 2011 11:33 AM PST up reply actions  

Funny

how Big Joe said in the post-game interview that Burrows “embellished” the slash on the hand. When the interviewer repeated the question “are you sure he embellished it?”, Joe said “yes, he embellished”.

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by AttilaS on Nov 26, 2011 11:03 PM PST reply actions  

I believe this is the quote you are referring to...
“You’re just trying to make him bobble the puck a little bit. They called it slashing,” Thornton said. “They do a pretty good job of embellishing, but it is what it is.”

I’ll give him credit and assume he didn’t see that Burr was actually bleeding from that slash.

I missed most of the 3rd period, but I was very happy with the 2nd, after a 1st where it seemed that the Sharks were really taking it to us. Good win boys!

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by raincity on Nov 26, 2011 11:53 PM PST up reply actions  

I’m sure he didn’t see Burrows was bleeding, but regardless, if you manage to break skin (or nails) through the gloves you’re not exactly giving him a love tap.

But since the Canucks have been tabbed as divers and embellishers it’s fine to say crap like this and just claim you didn’t do anything. All the while you dive/embellish yourself. F*ck you, Joe.

by Krag72 on Nov 27, 2011 12:20 AM PST up reply actions  

Someone made a gif last year where big Joe embellished a slash so hard and fell down, it was freakin hilarious because the gif had the player who slashed Thornton pull out a lightsaber that cut his legs off. If you dont know what Im talking about this probably sounds retarded…but damn, wish I could find it.

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by AK_nuck on Nov 27, 2011 2:00 AM PST up reply actions  

...

Ye, I enjoyed that one too. I like the fact that he looks like he almost dies from that. Of course getting your legs cut in half must be traumatic.

by Krag72 on Nov 27, 2011 7:09 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

you know technically

There wouldn’t be any blood if your legs get cut off by a lightsaber, it cauterizes the wound as it cuts it… :p

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by kiyotok on Nov 27, 2011 8:13 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

These new

compostie lightsabers just aren’t as reliable as the old wooden lightsabers.

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by Mike Feeney on Nov 27, 2011 10:15 AM PST up reply actions  

Joe should know

About embellishing

"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"

by Semi_Colon on Nov 27, 2011 7:09 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

I heard Joe also knows

Football.

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by Mike Feeney on Nov 27, 2011 7:12 AM PST up reply actions  

Burrows keeps fake blood blisters in his glove

the asshole

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by Canuckles on Nov 27, 2011 12:00 AM PST up reply actions  

Like I said

Ketchup packets man

"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"

by Semi_Colon on Nov 27, 2011 7:08 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Congrats you guys on this win.

GO SHARKS!
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by Angy on Nov 26, 2011 11:16 PM PST reply actions  

Thanks, Angy.

It was a good win for our boys. With 100% less stanchion.

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by Smoboy41 on Nov 27, 2011 12:05 AM PST up reply actions  

Luongo apologists

Discuss.

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by Mike Feeney on Nov 26, 2011 11:53 PM PST reply actions  

I guess we won’t know until Tuesday if Lu is in net or not. I’m a big fan of Lu, but I’ll be happy with whatever management decides. Personally, I think you have to play Lu eventually, so the Tuesday game would be a good time. Especially since it’s against Columbus. But given Schneids play I can understand if they don’t.

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by raincity on Nov 26, 2011 11:59 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm not

crazy about the use of ‘apologists’. I back Lu, and am not the least bit sorry. Schneider is on a hell of a run, but so was Brian Boucher a few years back. How did that work out?

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by Smoboy41 on Nov 27, 2011 12:08 AM PST up reply actions  

Did you just seriously compare

CS to Brian Boucher? Boucher didn’t dominate every level he’s every played at. Boucher was never the best goalie prospect in hockey. Boucher was never fulfilling his destiny as a great goaltender. At least in my opinion this is the CS that we were expecting to see. This isn’t a surprise or a fluke. This isn’t going to go away. Click on the link. That’s not a hot goalie having a flukey stretch. That’s a great goalie having a great season.

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by Mike Feeney on Nov 27, 2011 12:14 AM PST up reply actions  

That’s a great goalie having a great season.

Absolutely

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by Sean Zandberg on Nov 27, 2011 12:18 AM PST up reply actions  

Too soon

to say he’s having a great season. He’s definitely had a great week.

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by Smoboy41 on Nov 27, 2011 12:19 AM PST up reply actions  

I think we’ve seen enough from Schneider that he is ready to be a starting goalie in the nHL. The kid has composure deluxe. He’s ready. His time has come.

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by Sean Zandberg on Nov 27, 2011 12:20 AM PST up reply actions  

He's been great

All season. They just weren’t scoring or him earlier. The D was out to lunch yet he was posting great numbers.

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by Mike Feeney on Nov 27, 2011 6:13 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions  

So then the question is...

Which goalie are we going to keep and what are we going to try and get for the other? CS is going to be a RFA this summer and we have a number of goalies in the system (one in the AHL, one in NCAA) to bring up to offset losing one of these great goalies.

Do we try and get something that would interest nashville for suter/weber?

by Sareon on Nov 27, 2011 12:27 AM PST up reply actions  

why does everyone keep talking about getting Suter or Weber? It’s like a lingering fart.

I have a question: the Canucks and Cory will most likely go to arbitration. What is the maximum Schneider can earn in arbitration?

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by Sean Zandberg on Nov 27, 2011 12:29 AM PST up reply actions  

I wouldn't let it get that far if it were up to me

Sign CS to a nice 2 or 3 year deal with a nice cap hit and he becomes even more valuable as a goalie or as a trade chip.

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by Mike Feeney on Nov 27, 2011 12:34 AM PST up reply actions  

what do you think Cory Schneider’s worth is. Per season? $2 million?

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by Sean Zandberg on Nov 27, 2011 12:52 AM PST up reply actions  

Now maybe

in a year or two? Who knows.

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by Mike Feeney on Nov 27, 2011 12:55 AM PST up reply actions  

I just think Schneider can/will play hard ball this summer and get a fair bit more than that.

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by Sean Zandberg on Nov 27, 2011 12:56 AM PST up reply actions  

We saw this summer

that RFA’s don’t really get offered contracts by other teams. And CS will have played 65 games roughly in his NHL career. Hard to play hardball in that situation.

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by Mike Feeney on Nov 27, 2011 1:00 AM PST up reply actions  

So what's the raise if it goes to an arbitrator tho

It’s 10 percent right? I don’t know how hard it is to play hardball, he keeps playing like this he’ll be the most coveted goalie in the league. Not Luongo money but 2 million seems low.

by Canuckelhead on Nov 27, 2011 1:04 AM PST up reply actions  

I imagine Drew Doughty

is one of the most coveted D men in the league and no one offer sheeted him. So I am not sure what options CS would have in terms of playing hard ball. He’s also get precious few games under his belt. And it’s hard to play hard ball with a team that has Luongo already. We have rich owners too. So if he wants to play hard ball there’s a chance we match an offer sheet and stick him in Chicago and let him rot. I don’t see how playing hard ball gets him to be a starter either here or somewhere else either so I just don’t see the playing hard ball option as a very good one for him.

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by Mike Feeney on Nov 27, 2011 6:50 AM PST up reply actions  

But one

that smells so much sweeter.

/yeah, it’s late.

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by Smoboy41 on Nov 27, 2011 12:37 AM PST up reply actions  

Time

will tell, my friend. I was comparing Schneider’s recent streak to Boucher’s SO run. Nothing more. If he keeps it up, great.

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by Smoboy41 on Nov 27, 2011 12:18 AM PST up reply actions  

I just don't understand

while you still seem to think he won’t keep it up. You’ve always had this stance on CS as far as I can remember. Nothing about his play in high school, college, the AHL and now the NHL suggests anything other than an elite goalie in the league.

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by Mike Feeney on Nov 27, 2011 12:21 AM PST up reply actions  

A lot

of great young goalies have come and gone in recent years. Schneider’s pedigree is top notch, no doubt. If he keeps going, and pushes Lu out, so be it. I would hate to have that happen, then have GingerJesus fell flat on his face. There’s no rush to crown him, imo.

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by Smoboy41 on Nov 27, 2011 12:27 AM PST up reply actions  

I don't think anyone is crowning him to be honest

I am simply saying he deserves to keep playing regardless of Luongo’s health. If you don’t mind me asking. Who are these top young goalies with CS’s pedigree that have come and gone in recent years?

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by Mike Feeney on Nov 27, 2011 12:29 AM PST up reply actions  

And I wasn't trying to be snarky

that was a serious question. I don’t follow other goalies closely enough to know.

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by Mike Feeney on Nov 27, 2011 12:30 AM PST up reply actions  

No worries.

I know it’s just a good hockey discussion.

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by Smoboy41 on Nov 27, 2011 12:35 AM PST up reply actions  

I didn't say

they had CS’s pedigree. Goalies like Jim Carrey, Blaine Lacher, Roman Turek, Roman Cechmanek all started off like houses afire, but were soon found wanting. Look at Cam Ward and Steve Mason. Big buildups, good career starts, now decidedly mediocre goalies, imo. It’s not like I want CS to fail, because I don’t. I just need to see this level of play for a whole season, if not more.

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by Smoboy41 on Nov 27, 2011 12:35 AM PST up reply actions  

A whole season

if not more is going to be hard to get if no one is willing to run with him when he is playing this well. If he can’t keep his spot now what could he ever do?

Also I disagree on Cam Ward. He had a great year last season. And I believe in a cap era that teams have to take chances on younger cheaper options from time to time. And I feel CS is a pretty low risk.

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by Mike Feeney on Nov 27, 2011 12:40 AM PST up reply actions  

....

Raycroft, Theodore,

by RKay on Nov 27, 2011 1:52 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions  

...stupid iPhone buttons

Meant to say that like CS, there have been numerous goalies who start strong only to never meet there potential. I really hope that isn’t the case here. Raycroft and Theodore being prime examples.

by RKay on Nov 27, 2011 1:56 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions  

I think CS career path has been quite different than those two

Especially Raycroft. You can’t help but wonder if he wasn’t just simply a victim of the lockout since he nearly took the year off in that crucial year of his development and never really recovered. Kinda tragic really.

by Canuckelhead on Nov 27, 2011 2:24 AM PST up reply actions  

Raycroft was a 5th round pick

CS was a first round pick. Theodore has been wildly inconsistent but has still had 7 seasons with a save% above .910 and a GAA under 2.50 which is pretty darn good. I also don’t think CS is going to start taking medication to try to grow hair and have his family get involved with the Montreal mob but I could be wrong on that.

I just don’t understand this stance that CS might be a bust. The only evidence you can provide is that some other guys have been busts? What about the specific case of CS makes you think he won’t keep performing at this level other than the fact that some other guys with no relation to or bearing on CS have not lived up to their potential?

To me he is a goalie who dominated at every level on his way up. His numbers from the AHL to the NHL have been pretty consistent and he is being developed by the Canucks a team with a history of developing players well. (Sedins, Kesler, Burrows, Bieksa, etc) In my opinion the Canucks have done everything right with CS up until this moment and he shows absolutely no signs of being a guy who is going to flame out.

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by Mike Feeney on Nov 27, 2011 7:02 AM PST up reply actions  

Mike it's possible he busts, given the position is a quirky one

Look at Mason in cb. But yeah, I think that chance is pretty damn small for the reasons you listed.

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by Canuckles on Nov 27, 2011 7:59 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions  

So let's say he doesn't bust, he remains consistently great.

I say, if that’s the case, you keep him and get rid of Luongo.
This is all speculation of course and no, I don’t hate Lou, I love him, but a young, strong, consistently great CS is someone I’d love to have as my starting goalie.

Occupy Vancouver!

by Bobby Canuck on Nov 27, 2011 9:39 AM PST up reply actions  

Well of course

it is possible. But at this point based on the evidence it is less likely than he doesn’t bust. So I am just not sure why so many fans go straight to the “he might bust” card so quickly and easily.

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by Mike Feeney on Nov 27, 2011 10:16 AM PST up reply actions  

We're Canuck fans.

did you not get the memo?

Warm winds blowing, heating blue sky, and a road that goes forever...

by Smoboy41 on Nov 27, 2011 10:54 AM PST up reply actions  

Just to be clear

I don’t think CS is going to bust by any means. I actually have the highest hopes for him and believe his pedigree dictates that he could be a starter anywhere in the league. That being said, i recognize that early career flameouts happen and before i get too heavily sold on CS his sample size needs to increase.

by RKay on Nov 27, 2011 11:00 AM PST up reply actions  

Jim Carrey was a goalie???…..well, ALRIGHTY then

Alex Burrows is a nice guy...He opens doors.

by canuckgirl on Nov 27, 2011 1:00 PM PST up reply actions  

some regression is possible

But nothing like what we will see from Elliot. Whats more likely is we will see Luongo round out His numbers a lot, and Schneider’s will stay close to what he has. CS is a great goalie who will only develop further. No arguments here

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notafullcolon CS: Well obviously I meant we were snorting blow off hookers at the time of the goal

by Canuckles on Nov 27, 2011 12:35 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions  

I get the argument that Schneider should play

I can even get behind the argument that the Canucks should entertain the thought of trying to move Luongo if it’s possible. But, any suggestion that Luongo is anything less than one of the best goalies in the world starts to lose traction for me.

by Canuckelhead on Nov 27, 2011 12:10 AM PST up reply actions  

Wll I for one am not making that suggestion

but at the very least what we have seen the last year and a half is that CS is every bit as good as Luongo and if not as good he as close as you can get. And he’s younger and cheaper.

And personally speaking I like his style better. But that’s got nothing to do with my point. My point is CS needs to be given the ball here for a while and he will run with it. If for no other reason than players need to understand that if they play well they will be rewarded.

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by Mike Feeney on Nov 27, 2011 12:16 AM PST up reply actions  

ball/reward

Is a good reason to keep rolling with Schneider. I also like the idea of pushing Lu harder like this. I can’t imagine he wants to sit, and seeing GJ out there all world should help push him. Otherwise, what canucklehead said I agree with.

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by Canuckles on Nov 27, 2011 12:31 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions  

seeing GJ out there all world should help push him

I like this too. Challenge him to up his game. Lu’s a great goalie…I think he’ll rise to the challenge. And if he falters again, we have a pretty awesome backup that can pick up the slack.

Andrew Alberts once had an awkward moment, just to see how it feels.

by raincity on Nov 27, 2011 12:38 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah hard to argue that

I certainly like the way CS presents himself better as well and it’s hard to argue against youth and price. The one concern would be consistency but it seems like a pretty solid educated gamble to make. As long as we all understand we are all cursed as Canuck fans so wherever Luongo goes he’s bound to win the conn smythe ;)

by Canuckelhead on Nov 27, 2011 12:38 AM PST up reply actions  

Ha

of course!

Andrew Alberts once had an awkward moment, just to see how it feels.

by raincity on Nov 27, 2011 12:39 AM PST up reply actions  

It's funny you say "as good as or close" as Luongo

because while I watched him last night, I thought I was watching Roberto from last year play at times. Great positioning, great read on the play, and some athletic saves when necessary. Even down to how he slides across the goal mouth during quick puck movements. It was uncanny. Rollie Melansen FTW I guess.

But it comes down to this: Lui is here, 99% likely to stay. All this talk about him wanting to move to Florida is hooey. Botchford has said that Lui does not want out in any way. Nor does he want to go to a non-contender. So nobody in contending markets takes on that salary unless Roberto is showing the form he had to earn it; at that point, you probably don’t want to move one of the top 2-3 goalies in the league, since he’s likely better than Schneider playing like that.

Like you said though, we have Schneider until he’s eligible for UFA (at the least) and so we basically have two uber elite goalies who can split the workload whenever. Contrast that with Philly, who up until this year, for about a billion seasons before, had exactly the opposite problem. Terrible, terrible situation we have!

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by Canuckles on Nov 27, 2011 11:20 AM PST up reply actions  

No controversy

According to the Miami Herald at least…

Lu!

by Krag72 on Nov 27, 2011 12:52 AM PST up reply actions  

Oh good

well thats a load off my mind. Thanks Miami. Will Smith was right about you.

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by Mike Feeney on Nov 27, 2011 12:54 AM PST up reply actions  

What, no hat trick? If Schneider was in net… :P

by splnwezel on Nov 27, 2011 9:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Nice write up Dan

I wasn’t able to watch the game tonight so it was nice to have more than just the highlights to get a sense what the game was like.

by Canuckelhead on Nov 27, 2011 12:09 AM PST reply actions  

There you have it.

If Canucklehead, RogerFenway and I don’t watch the game, it’s a sure win.

Warm winds blowing, heating blue sky, and a road that goes forever...

by Smoboy41 on Nov 27, 2011 12:22 AM PST up reply actions  

Science!

You can’t argue with it.

by Canuckelhead on Nov 27, 2011 12:40 AM PST up reply actions  

sure you can

Insane clown posse style

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by Canuckles on Nov 27, 2011 8:01 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Yep....

Good game(I gather), good shit. Thornton’s a great player, I wish we wouldn’t continually make a complete ass out of himself. I’m not gonna be able to watch on tuesday either, so looks like another W!

I’d start Schneider, without a shadow of a doubt.

by RogerFenway on Nov 27, 2011 1:43 AM PST up reply actions  

Now the question is

if Edler doesn’t play on Tuesday, what do our D pairings look like?

Juice-Ham
Salo-Ballard
Alberts-Sulzer?

Someone is going to have to play on their off side, right? That’ll be an adventure…

Andrew Alberts once had an awkward moment, just to see how it feels.

by raincity on Nov 27, 2011 12:43 AM PST reply actions  

This is what they look like:

:O

"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"

by Semi_Colon on Nov 27, 2011 7:12 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

does anyone

Have Juice’s post game interview? Another classic and one reason I am so glad they signed him. Guy is pure gold in those.

by ktownfan on Nov 27, 2011 6:33 AM PST reply actions  

Great article vancitydan

definitley a good read, And I like seeing what the other team’s fans are thinking.

…saw your comments on the merc blog. I didn’t have a problem with your viewpoints and I appreciate that you maintained your cool while under fire.

The Canucks are a great team built to be both skilled and tough. If other teams and their fans are ‘hating on’ yours, it’s likely because of the perceived threat Vancouver imposes.

Last night’s game was a good one. Your team won last night, but dammit, the Sharks will get the Canucks the next time!

– Tooth, out.

by Shrk2th on Nov 27, 2011 11:12 AM PST reply actions  

I feel a great rivalry brewing! Only means awesome games to come!

<3 Boobies!
notafullcolon CS: Well obviously I meant we were snorting blow off hookers at the time of the goal

by Canuckles on Nov 27, 2011 11:21 AM PST up reply actions  

Agreed...

and I am looking forward to the games as well. I’ll be back posting here for the next match on December 28.

by Shrk2th on Nov 28, 2011 10:48 AM PST reply actions  

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