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Unlike most Canuck fans, I believe our 10-9-1 start to be a blip. Most of us predicted a Stanley Cup hangover, but when it actually occurred we hit the panic button. So here it is. The cup hangover.

Let's not get too crazy and realize what we have. We have a team that not only was the best team in hockey last season as a +77 (GF-GA), they were the best Western Conference team since the '06 Red Wings (+96). We also know we have a coach that we know can lead and motivate this team to excellence. What else do we know? We have a goaltender that has the third best SV% in NHL history, two Art-Ross trophy winners, and a Selke trophy winner, all in their primes.

Should I let 20 games worry me? No. This bunch will figure itself out. For every time we've yelled at Daniel to shoot in the slot when he didn't, there is a time he was in a position to take that shot and instead found the trailer for an easy tap in goal. For all of Kesler's struggles he is not going to shoot at a 5% clip. Luongo had a rough start? This is new?

No I am not worried about what we have. The biggest mistake we could make is change a winning formula after a predictable rut.

I don't even worry about us getting bullied by the Bruins again in the East finals. We don't need a team that can defeat Boston, as odds are they won't be the ones we play in the finals (if we get there.)

What I do worry about? The obvious problem we all saw last June, and the same worry I have had since last November. The lack of elite top six forwards.

Star-divide

We all have identified it. If we ask the average Canuck fan who our top five players are, they will likely say the Sedins and Kesler, then some combination of Burrows, Bieksa, Hamhuis, Edler, and Luongo. All can be argued for and against with varying degrees of quality arguments.

The obvious problem to me is that after Burrows, it gets really iffy if you can name a legitimate top 6 forward on this team. Higgins? Hodgson? Raymond? Booth? All are very large question marks. Also I hate labeling these forwards top 6, because if you keep adding guys that are so called "top 6" forwards, you end up with a bunch of Samuelssons and Booths who are really "6s" and only "top 6s" because the range goes as low as 6. No one describes the Keslers or Sedins of the world as "top 6" because they are stars. (Much in the same vein as no one would say Gretzky was a top 100 player. The statement is true, but misleading.)

To address our secondary scoring you must look at it differently, or you will forever be thinking David Booth is the answer to our problems. Predictable and consistent secondary scoring isn't secondary scoring. It's primary scoring. So to add a player to help with consistent scoring you have to add a star. How do you do this? Is this hard? Yes, it is hard. Can we do it? Yes, we can.

The Columbus Blue Jackets this offseason made a trade the Canucks should have. They traded two first round picks and Jakub Voracek to Philadelphia for Jeff Carter. The same Jeff Carter that over the past three seasons averaged 79 GP, 332 SOG, 38 G, and 70 Pts. Could we have offered a similar deal? Yes. Could we have offered more? Yes. Why not send our 2011 and 2012 first round picks, Cody Hodgson, and more for this superstar? Blow them out of the water! Carter's cap hit is only $5.27 million, only $1.02 million more than Booth. Yes Carter is a "forever" deal, but I bet he is more worth it than Booth is over the next four seasons.

This is the reason why GMMG gets a bum rap from some, including me. The pieces were given to him. The Art Ross twins, the Selke award winner, one of the best goaltenders of this era. He was able to sign them to cap/team friendly deals. But who cares if we don't win a cup? Make the bold move and put a stamp on this team. Stop giving us the David Booths of the world. We have faith in you.

So MG, time to get creative here. Start looking at the problem with a different perspective. Don't acquire top 6 forwards. Acquire the elite. Pay the price. Our window is here, and flags fly from the rafters forever. Don't acquire secondary scoring. Acquire primary scoring. The answer is out there for those who look.

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i think most fans know this, at least subconsciously. it’s why you see so many trade dreams of parise, and even doan fits that category if you consider aging elite players. sundin was that bold move, so i don’t think gillis is against a big bet, but it’s harder to do when your team is so much closer to the cap than it was prior to all the big extensions.

one thing to keep in mind though, no gm gets fired for maintaining a roster that puts up 100 points and goes deep in the playoffs every year. owners love those guys and keep them around. the guys that make big bets, mortgage the farm and then fail to deliver the goods on the other hand, litter the gutters of the nhl. for every chicago that goes all in and wins, there are plenty of ottawas and calgarys that get close and then suck for years as a result of emptying the tank.

by bitterguy on Nov 22, 2011 3:09 PM PST reply actions  

yeah, my thoughts exactly. At least Sundin only costed $$$, not the farm. This current team is really what Gillis needs to maintain until the farm is over stocked.

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by Sean Zandberg on Nov 22, 2011 3:33 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't know that you're giving GMMG as fair shake

So far he’s done a pretty great job of finding players who are below market value to fill spots, without giving away much of anything. Also, keep in mind that a “top six” forward on the Canucks looks much different than a top six forward on most every other team and it’s much harder to find those players. Your Jeff Carter example is a great one but we have no way of knowing what offers got turned down or maybe not even looked at because of past relationships etc.

by Canuckelhead on Nov 22, 2011 6:14 PM PST reply actions  

True.

I think he has done a good job. I think he will ultimately be judged, however fair it is, on whether or not we win a cup. I just want to see that Sundin play again, which I still believe to be a great decision (just the result was poor.)

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by T.Haynes on Nov 24, 2011 4:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah Columbus is doing really well with Jeff Carter…

by marcness52 on Nov 22, 2011 9:39 PM PST reply actions  

And I don’t think we really needed a 6th center.

by marcness52 on Nov 22, 2011 9:40 PM PST up reply actions  

I don’t like the deal even IF he plays on the wing.

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by Vancouverguy on Nov 23, 2011 11:27 AM PST up reply actions  

And… how many teams would have a top-6 which keeps Booth out? (Admittedly, he hasn’t play well) but he’d still be a top-6 on probably 25 teams out there.

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by Vancouverguy on Nov 23, 2011 11:29 AM PST up reply actions  

Just for esses and gees

If I read you right, you really want to get another (maybe two!) top three forward in the top six. If you simplify things greatly, with 30 teams, you’d have 90 top three players in the league. Last season the Canucks had three players that were top 90 in total points (the Sedins and Kesler, and they were actually in the top 15) and I think Burrows would have cracked the top 90 if he’d been healthy all season.

David Booth did not crack the top 90 last season.

So just to be realistic (when I say realistic, what I really mean is lowered expectations) lets go for numbers 89&90 : James Wisniewski and Tobias Enstrom a combined 102 points and -24! Yikes! Okay, not that lowered. 87&88 : Alex Steen and Teddy Purcell! Much better.

My new top six :

Sedin-Sedin-Burrows
Steen-Kesler-Purcell

I just spotted me panties.

PS – I actually wouldn’t sneeze at the addition of Wis and Enstrom, but they seem a lot like what we dumped in Ehrhoff.

by Sandwich76 on Nov 23, 2011 1:35 PM PST reply actions  

made it work in capgeek

Okay, this is obviously waaaay into the realm of fantasy, but as far as numbers go it works! I trade Schneids and Hodgson to Tampa Bay for Purcell and Garon, then Ballard and Raymond to St. Louis for Steen and a draft pick. Then pick up Mitchell on a one year deal to fill out our top four in D and voila! I still have two million in space to fill out the roster, maybe Salo for another year? Oh and Rome of course!

The biggest bummers would be losing a stellar backup in Schneider and a future top six guy in Hodgson. This alone makes me think that GMMG would never go through with this one. Anyway here it is :

CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
Daniel Sedin ($6.100m) / Henrik Sedin ($6.100m) / Alexandre Burrows ($2.000m)
Alexander Steen ($3.362m) / Ryan Kesler ($5.000m) / Ted Purcell ($2.362m)
Chris Higgins ($1.900m) / Maxim Lapierre ($1.000m) / David Booth ($4.250m)
Mike Duco ($0.550m) / Manny Malhotra ($2.500m) / Jannik Hansen ($1.350m)

DEFENSEMEN
Kevin Bieksa ($4.600m) / Dan Hamhuis ($4.500m)
Willie Mitchell ($3.500m) / Alexander Edler ($3.250m)
Andrew Alberts ($1.225m) / Chris Tanev ($0.900m)
Alexander Sulzer ($0.700m)

GOALTENDERS
Roberto Luongo ($5.333m) / Mathieu Garon ($1.300m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $61,783,333; BONUSES: $0
CAP SPACE (21-man roster): $2,516,667

by Sandwich76 on Nov 23, 2011 7:06 PM PST up reply actions  

The team that scored the most

goals in the league last year needs more scoring?

By your logic last year’s performance is indicative of this year’s performance. Or else why bring up the GF/GA and other stats and awards? I disagree. But even if I agreed I wouldn’t buy the notion that this team doesn’t need more offense. Only Chicago has scored more this season. Offense is not the issue. Goaltending and defense have been the issues. Most think Luongo will get better as the season goes on and I hope they are right. But defense is the area that really needs to get better from what I have seen. It would be nice to see Manny Malhotra start to play like he belongs in the NHL again as well.

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by Mike Feeney on Nov 23, 2011 7:47 PM PST reply actions  

The Canucks are only, like 10th in scoring

what do you mean about scoring?

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notafullcolon CS: Well obviously I meant we were snorting blow off hookers at the time of the goal

by Canuckles on Nov 23, 2011 8:57 PM PST up reply actions  

I would say the scoring is an issue. They scored lots last year during the season, but when the Twins got shut down in the playoffs, that secondary scoring and extra offense sure dried up fast. 8 goals in 7 games in the final. That’s not ALL on Thomas.

by RogerFenway on Nov 23, 2011 10:32 PM PST up reply actions  

agreed

Secondary scoring is a known concern. Although i’d agree that the defensive core seems like it could use a little bolstering. We don’t have the stud or the depth to make up for lack of stud we had last year.

by Canuckelhead on Nov 24, 2011 1:42 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, I agree with that.

And I’m not necessarily saying this forward group can’t get it done. I was just making a specific point about “scoring not being an issue”. By the end of it last year, and injuries definitely played a role, we couldn’t score our way out of trouble OR defend our way out of it. Though we did more defending our way out of it than scoring our way out of it.

by RogerFenway on Nov 24, 2011 10:35 AM PST up reply actions  

relax yo

Shea Weber is coming here haha

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notafullcolon CS: Well obviously I meant we were snorting blow off hookers at the time of the goal

by Canuckles on Nov 24, 2011 11:45 AM PST up reply actions  

Fuck I hope so...

Otherwise that jersey is going to be a bad decision…

by RogerFenway on Nov 24, 2011 11:57 AM PST up reply actions  

lol mega

jersey foul

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notafullcolon CS: Well obviously I meant we were snorting blow off hookers at the time of the goal

by Canuckles on Nov 24, 2011 12:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Jokes...

Getting a 1994 finals edition Linden white when I’m back in Vancouver for Christmas.

by RogerFenway on Nov 24, 2011 12:29 PM PST up reply actions  

I would argue that Edler is a stud defenceman.

by Sandwich76 on Nov 24, 2011 12:30 PM PST up reply actions  

I would too

if he played like one

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by Canuckles on Nov 24, 2011 12:36 PM PST up reply actions  

The grass just looks greener cause it's in Nashville

Edler is tied for sixth for scoring amongst d-men in the league with sixteen points, one ahead of Shea Weber (chosen because he was mentioned above). Edler also has 7 more hits than Weber, 6 more takeaways, 3 more blocked shots, the same 5-5 relative corsi and all this while having a lower PDO and pulling two less even strength minutes a game. I’m not saying he’s better than Weber, but I am saying that he is in his league, and he is a defensive stud.

by Sandwich76 on Nov 28, 2011 1:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Edler is bi-polar. If you showed Canucks games to someone who didn’t follow hockey, one game they’d think, “This guy is awful, probably the reason you lost the cup final. Does he drink before the games?,” and the next game they’d think, “This guy must be the single best defenceman in the whole league.”

I hope the latter steadily overtakes the former.

by RogerFenway on Nov 24, 2011 2:28 PM PST up reply actions  

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Forwards

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Points

H. Sedin (72)

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Goals

D. Sedin (30)

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Assists

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Malhotra (2.42)

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