Video Evidence Shows: Burrows May Have Lifted Door Hinge Before Lapierre Hit Winchester
by Sean Zandberg on Nov 21, 2011 7:07 PM PST
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I gotta say
That video is pretty damning. I don’t know if it’s just the angle or whatever but that seems pretty obvious. Not a bad prank, although pretty dangerous.
damning as in intent?
or damning as in he might have opened the latch? They aren’t one and the same. As was observed elsewhere, the team was getting ready to make a line change and right after the incident a new line jumped on the ice.
You know better than I do, stuff happens fast out there. It can be very hard to do something like think about whether or not someone is going to be hit into a very specific spot and then unlock the door all in the time it takes for this to happen. And before you say a second is all you need, think about how much time you need to actually stop a car in an emergency.
Give a bench penalty for leaving the door unlocked? Sure, it was stupid. But did he intend to do it? I just don’t see how you “prove” it.
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notafullcolon CS: Well obviously I meant we were snorting blow off hookers at the time of the goal
Yeah it happens fast alright. And Burr is a magician. He was so fast, that he actually got out of the way of the door when Winchester went through it. Almost like he KNEW that fukker was gonna swing open….But no, hockey players can’t think that fast.
HMMMMMMMM…………..
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by Sean Zandberg on Nov 22, 2011 10:48 AM PST up reply actions
instinctively jumping out of the way =/= the same thing
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notafullcolon CS: Well obviously I meant we were snorting blow off hookers at the time of the goal
and he also doesn't appear
to be right behind the door either. I don’t dispute he may have unlatched it, I just don’t see how any of these pictures or videos proves INTENT.
What the officials should be able to do is penalize the bench for being careless with the latching, which the Canucks may have been.
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notafullcolon CS: Well obviously I meant we were snorting blow off hookers at the time of the goal
Who was he lifting the latch for?
Besides Winchester that is. The other two Canucks in the frame are playing the puck.
by Canuckelhead on Nov 22, 2011 12:07 PM PST up reply actions
anticipation
in guys coming off, since there’s at least one guy in the gif who is in the process of going over the boards. So I would (hopefully reasonably) assume in the midst of a line change that the team is anticipating people are both coming back to the bench in addition to going over.
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notafullcolon CS: Well obviously I meant we were snorting blow off hookers at the time of the goal
i'm not saying it wasn't careless or sloppy or even possibly intentional
I’m just saying that the gif only proves its likely he unlocked it and nothing more.
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notafullcolon CS: Well obviously I meant we were snorting blow off hookers at the time of the goal
That video is grainy as all hell
I can’t tell what you guys are seeing that makes you able to come to a conclusion. But even if he opened the door there’s no reason to think he did it on purpose. Like others have said he maybe was just opening it to help with the line change and didn’t even see the hit coming.
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If you just watch burrows, specifically the hand without the stick, you can see him open the gate. You can even see his hand flick off it when the latch comes loose just before Winchester goes through.
by Canuckelhead on Nov 22, 2011 1:45 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
The real question
Should be what the hell is Winchester doing sitting there looking at his feet, trying to make a fancy play? Someone should let him know it’s the NHL not beer league at 8 rinks. They still kinda allow hitting in the NHL right?
ya know
He could have, he might have. I don’t know, I am not going to damn him just because he is Alex Burrows.
It looks like he did, he was near the door as was his hand, but at the same time he could have been trying to latch it shut. He did say that is wasn’t fully latched.
I am not making excuses for him, but I will give him the benefit of the doubt.
what I think is so funny
is that Burrows POTENTIALLY unlocking the door at the same time as Wincester getting hit into the boards is damning and conclusive evidence throughout the NHL as to his intent to injure.
Chara guiding someone’s head into a stationary object at full speed is simply “an unfortunate hockey play” and you can’t determine intent.
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notafullcolon CS: Well obviously I meant we were snorting blow off hookers at the time of the goal
I thought this video was pretty damning at first, but I have since read that the latches to lock/unlock the door are not at the top of the door where Burr’s hand was, but further down. So…. for whatever that’s worth.
I also hopped over to SIlver Seven last night to see what some Sens fans thought of it, and was surprised by the level of rationality and well… thought that seemed to be put into most of the replies. One poster commented that Burrows’ reaction-time and level of… diabolic….ness… would’ve had to have just been off the charts to line that all up at real time, unlatch the door and open it at the perfect time for Winchester to fall through… All to knock down a guy he apparently knows from back in the day, and who he plays a grand total of twice a year.
Even if he is guilty though, he’s more of a SLAYER OF THE DRAGON. So that’s how I voted.
.............
I thought this video was pretty damning at first, but I have since read that the latches to lock/unlock the door are not at the top of the door where Burr’s hand was, but further down. So…. for whatever that’s worth.
Oh?
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by Sean Zandberg on Nov 22, 2011 10:41 AM PST up reply actions
It has been pointed out that the latches aren’t on the top of the gate (where Burrows’ hands are)
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by RogerFenway on Nov 22, 2011 10:47 AM PST up reply actions
Well Drance is wrong.
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by Sean Zandberg on Nov 22, 2011 10:49 AM PST up reply actions
Either way. I can’t prove anything. I do think the incident was funny. I’m not pushing the “guilty” card too hard. Just trying to be objective
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by Sean Zandberg on Nov 22, 2011 11:03 AM PST up reply actions
on your face
oh yeah, I said it.
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notafullcolon CS: Well obviously I meant we were snorting blow off hookers at the time of the goal
Bottom line
Even if he did lift the latch as a little prank, who cares? Yes, it’s dangerous but it’s not as if he planned it out before the game or it’s a trick he does all the time. It was a momentary lapse in judgment and nobody got hurt. It’s one of those things that seems like it would be funny in the split second and later we realize was dumb. I think we can all relate to that. Hell, for some of you that probably makes up your entire sense of humor.
Haha what?
If that trick was planned out, I’d be thoroughly impressed. Even if it was intended as a last second prank I loved it. I’m leaning towards intentional. But have no solid proof. So, just providing some imagery and discussion here. No need to get insulting.
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by Sean Zandberg on Nov 22, 2011 1:49 PM PST up reply actions
I wasn't trying to be insulting
Sorry, just making a little joke
by Canuckelhead on Nov 22, 2011 3:08 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
ok, cool :)
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by Sean Zandberg on Nov 22, 2011 3:31 PM PST up reply actions
I didn't find it insulting
in fact I thought you gave me too much credit. My humour is significantly less sophisticated than you suggest.
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notafullcolon CS: Well obviously I meant we were snorting blow off hookers at the time of the goal
If Winchester wanted to be a Canuck so badly all he had to do was sign on the dotted line…yeesh. This sneaking into the Canucks’ bench only makes him look silly.
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different
Winchester
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notafullcolon CS: Well obviously I meant we were snorting blow off hookers at the time of the goal
Bradley
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by Sean Zandberg on Nov 22, 2011 4:29 PM PST up reply actions
this was Jesse
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notafullcolon CS: Well obviously I meant we were snorting blow off hookers at the time of the goal
yeah I know
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by Sean Zandberg on Nov 22, 2011 6:13 PM PST up reply actions
Wasn’t Brad a free agent this past summer?
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by Sean Zandberg on Nov 22, 2011 6:14 PM PST up reply actions
yeah
there were a few rumours about him signing here too
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notafullcolon CS: Well obviously I meant we were snorting blow off hookers at the time of the goal
yeah that rings a bell
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by Sean Zandberg on Nov 22, 2011 8:17 PM PST up reply actions
Holy Zapruder film
Look at Burrows’ hand! Down and to the left! DOWN AND TO THE LEFT!
Anything in slow motion will look damning as evidence.
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I take it
This means you don’t see his hand lifting the latch?
by Canuckelhead on Nov 23, 2011 8:31 AM PST up reply actions
Cause
Now that i’ve seen it, it’s as clear as day every time I watch it.
by Canuckelhead on Nov 23, 2011 8:32 AM PST up reply actions
Sorry about all the replies
But maybe this will help:
by Canuckelhead on Nov 23, 2011 8:43 AM PST up reply actions
I saw
What looks like him doing something with his hand there. But you’re really going to say this is 100% proof of him maliciously intending to open the door on that check? C’mon. There’s no way to know that.
I’m still not even sure the bench latch is that high up the door anyway.
Either way I don’t really care and I think this thing has been blow out of proportion (Ottawa paper asking if he should be suspended for it)
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
I agree it's being blown out of proportion
But it’s fun to talk about. I just can’t believe that anyone can deny the fact that he opened the latch when you have such damming evidence. It’s seems a little late in the day to ask for a suspension, especially since you can never prove his intention. On the other hand, if I really look at the evidence, taking into account the player in question, the video and subsequent still frame evidence and then consider the fact that Winchester was standing right there for a few beats before the latch got lifted with no obvious canuck ready to come through that door. I mean, if I take off my green and blue tinted glasses it’s all pretty damning.
by Canuckelhead on Nov 23, 2011 9:31 AM PST up reply actions
I mean, if I take off my green and blue tinted glasses it’s all pretty damning.
Hehehe EXACTLY!
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by Sean Zandberg on Nov 23, 2011 10:30 AM PST up reply actions
because
, of course, anyone that disagrees or stands up for the Canucks has Green and Blue glasses on, eh you two?
The latch is not even there, its a non issue, and “if we really look at the evidence” ( taking the player into account has zilch, nada to do with it. Thats character assassination, and is not admissible in the course of hockey law…)
I read this thread with interest and mirth, and find it just hilarious that the “still frame evidence” is something you would point at, when the latch is not even close to that high.
Of course, that is just the opinion of someone with Blue and Green glasses. And Blue and Green underwear!
The thing is, its not just “something fun to talk about”. It is biased slamming of a guy that gets far too much of that, most of it undeserved…
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Yeah ok, man. Keep drinking the blue and green KoolAid. heheh
The thing is, its not just "something fun to talk about". It is biased slamming of a guy that gets far too much of that, most of it undeserved…
Oh christ. Really?
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by Sean Zandberg on Nov 23, 2011 1:55 PM PST up reply actions
Right so we can hack the fuck out of any other dirty player or the refs in your case and it’s all good.
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by Sean Zandberg on Nov 23, 2011 1:58 PM PST up reply actions
Damn...huh?
Was a bit for affect there on the above mon frere.
Burrows style of play does not win him any benefit of the doubt. But when you watch him as often as we get to, the BS that gets said about him is pretty overblown sometimes.
Not sure on the second, but if you mean players like Burr’ ( Kaleta….Carcillo….Avery…etc,and I think Burr is better than all three because he plays in almost every situation, and has scored far more than any of those type of guys ) don’t get the call sometimes, well, yeah.
I guess thats the trade off.
But because he has done some shenanigans, to accuse him of purposely opening a door to injure someone is quite bizarre when you think about it.
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Who said that?
Who on this board ever said he opened it to injure someone?
by Canuckelhead on Nov 23, 2011 2:05 PM PST up reply actions
I’m not angry, Dan. Nor do I wanna come at you hard with this. I do disagree with you and have nothing to prove it. So it’s a judgement on my part and yours. I’m ok with that.
PS: I love Burrows.
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by Sean Zandberg on Nov 23, 2011 2:11 PM PST up reply actions
I don't know what you think is wrong is all
I think he gets treated with a bias because of how he plays. Not saying that is a good thing.
As for the other, if folks think he indeed did make a conscious thought to pull the door on Winchester, what other thing would such a person want?
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As for the other, if folks think he indeed did make a conscious thought to pull the door on Winchester, what other thing would such a person want?
To simply watch someone who was looking at their feet right in front of the door fall into the bench. Without time to really have any malicious thoughts.
by Canuckelhead on Nov 23, 2011 2:33 PM PST up reply actions
see
that is where you lose me.
Why on Earth would he do that? Especially in light of the fact that if he did indeed have the thought, he would have seen it was one of his friends from Montreal, that he plays with in the offseason.
Burrows = Sociopath? ;-)
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Just because he said Winch is his buddy doesn’t make it true.
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by Sean Zandberg on Nov 23, 2011 2:45 PM PST up reply actions
For a laugh?
Because it’s funny to see a player flat on his back on your bench? I dunno. What I do know is why I came to that conclusion. It’s not, as you suggested, because I think he’s evil. In fact, I think he’s super. It’s because Winchester is the only person in front of the door. The only other Canucks are either playing the puck or in Hodgsons case hopping off the ice OVER the boards. So I’ll put it back to you. Since we’ve established he had his hand on the latch. Who else was he opening the door for besides Winchester?
by Canuckelhead on Nov 23, 2011 2:48 PM PST up reply actions
Easy Dan
Any reputation that Burrows has he’s more than earned and any bias I have for Burrows would be for the positive. I love the guy, how hard he plays and his story, so don’t start painting me with any broad brushes.
The latch isn’t close to that high? Are you serious? So what is he doing then, resting his hand on the top of the latch? The thing is this isn’t a court of law and hockey law always takes into account a players past history, as they should. Like the good folks over at Pass it to Bulis so perfectly put it. If that was Sami Salo with his hand on the gate there would be no question he was just opening it for a teammate. It’s because it’s Burrows that people question his motives and rightly so. I happen to think he opened it on purpose cause he saw winchester there for the 10 beats he sat there looking at the puck at his feet. You obviously do not and since there is never going to be anyway to know I guess we’ll have to agree to disagree. But please can we not argue about the part of this that’s plain for any clear thinking person to see.
by Canuckelhead on Nov 23, 2011 2:04 PM PST up reply actions
Huh? again?
Easy on what? I think its a ridiculous assertion. You sometimes have a way of stating your point that is a little …well…when you say “that any thinking person can see”, its like you broach no argument, and are judging anyone with a differing opinion.
The bias stuff, I get that and agree. Said so above.
You think he did it on purpose but did not intend to injure. I don’t get that.
You think its that black and white, but I don’t. I think the last guy going in, it did not latch, as if anyone has played, they know that happens all the time.
If anything, the reaching out could be as easily construed as trying to close it and timing accounting for the rest.
Its not for me, or you, or anyone, to try and gauge the intent there. It is funny how people are willing to put so much evil into the play of this one guy. You are a Canuck fan, for instance, and have no prob’ with convicting him of the supposed crime.
I just don’t think it as all that nefarious, and it is open to several interpretations.
I don’t want to argue with you about anything, really. But because I don’t even see the former, I cannot get there for the latter, you know?
it is such a thing that can be used as a “Puck Rorschact” (sp?). If you can see the evil, you are….
LOL
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Well at least we can finally agree he had his hand on the latch
That’s what I meant by thinking person. When there’s photographic evidence I would hope we could move past it.
by Canuckelhead on Nov 23, 2011 2:39 PM PST up reply actions
He did it…c’mon, it’s consistent with the kind of stuff Burrows does, almost prankish, sometimes, but pretty harmless. Winchester skated off fine.
What is pathetic is that the league and the media slams stupid crap like this and nipped fingers and completely ignores a gorilla purposely slamming a guys head into a stanchion, a player head-locking another, driving him ass-first into the boards crushing his tailbone, and now running down a goalie….
Alex Burrows is a nice guy...He opens doors.
How come no one brings up
turco opening the door on our player…was that last season, I think? That one was undisputably on purpose, cuz he opens the door before the player got there, but this one, give me a break…the way burrows jumps back then appears to reach down to make sure winchester is all right makes it hard to believe he intentionally tried to injure a guy.
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