Recchi Hacks Canucks On Boston Radio
On Thursday afternoon, the retired Mark Recchi told the Bruins' flagship station 98.5 The Sports Hub:
"[In] 22 years they are the most arrogant team I played against and the most hated team I’ve ever played against," Recchi said. "I couldn’t believe their antics, their falling and diving. It was very frustrating, but at the same time as the series wore on we knew we were getting to them and we knew our physical play and our skating, I think it caught them off guard a little bit."
I think most Canucks fans hear / read that and immediately go on the defensive. I'm doing the opposite. I am entertaining Dr. Recchi's opinions. You know, he might actually be right. Or, mostly correct? Maybe the Canucks are the most arrogant team he has played against. The most hated though? Geez Mark, I don't know. You played for a long time. The Flyers or Habs or Hawks teams of yore could be taken into consideration, no?. But hey, you never know. Our Canucks are/were quite the
villains. I think a lot of this stems from the fact that there is just so much damned media / social networking out there right now. Opinions are like assholes. Everybody has one. And the hatred spreads rapidly and immediately nowadays. And it festers. Aside from that, when you have / had a Bieksa, Torres, Burrows, Lapierre, Rome on your team you probably aren't going to make many friends out there. It goes with the turf of their style of play.
The diving? Yeah, I am not going to sit here and deny it. The team does/did it. A lot. I hate it. And, unless I'm seeing things, the refs have wised up to it this season, not calling penalties when a Sedin or a Kesler falls down (legit or not). As a side note, then why not call the diving penalty then? Have they stopped doing that? You know, both guys go off? One for tripping and the other for unsportsmanlike conduct?
Maybe, just maybe, arrogance is a part of the reason why this Canucks team is at 500 and is taking nights off rather than piling up wins. Maybe they are just biding their time before pouring it on. You never truly know a team's full psyche / personality unless you play against them or are a part of their dressing room. So that's why I say "maybe". I can only speculate from what I see on the tv.
Are the Bruins just as or more dirty than the Canucks? Who cares? I just want the Canucks to smarten up and start winning. I hate seeing some similarities between this current team and the one that was in the Finals. There is no progression at this point. And to me, that is what matters most about what Recchi said. It's what I took from it. This team needs to forget the sideshow bullshit and start playing like they want to win. On the scoreboard. In the trenches. Crashing the crease. Cleaning up their own end.
I'm not trying to be a Mark Spector here. I'm not trying to be an antagonist. Maybe I have pissed you off. However this is what I am seeing and is my own two cents. What's yours?
(As for 98.5 The Sports Hub: I see what you did there. Congrats. You got the attention you were absolutely craving).
(And as for Mark Recchi: You have the right to say whatever you want, and this isn't the first time you have ruffled feathers. You are still a BC-born legend in my books).
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I do think it's funny when he calls someone else arrogant in light of his comments over the last year...
…but yeah, the Canucks dive. So did the Bruins. So does every team in hockey. Do the Canucks do it more? Maybe? Is it possible we see it more because we watch them all the time? Maybe?
I honestly don’t know what to do about the diving issue. That said, I will never understand the 7-8 uncalled crosschecks behind the net on Daniel, or the 9-10 punches to the face from Marchand. With the amount of discretion given to the referees in the game, there will always be diving in some fashion. I honestly don’t know how to get rid of it, and I have a hard time ripping players that do it when the rulebook isn’t being enforced the same way every night.
That is not a rant against the officials. It really isn’t. It’s just a “I don’t know what you can do about it because of the difference in refereeing on a game-in, game-out basis”. That’s not even necessarily a criticism of the referees, just an observation.
Again – before I get torn up – the Canucks did NOT lose the SCF because of refereeing (they were more than perfectly capable of losing it on their own). But refereeing is a league-wide issue that doesn’t get enough real objective review, I don’t think.
Clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose.
9-10 punches to the face from Marchand
Marchand received a roughing penalty and Daniel got a penalty for whining. Seems apropos to me. I’d say justice was served.
I still can’t believe he just stood there and let him punch him in the face 9 times. I know Canuck fans love to play the “well what was he supposed to do?” card when recalling this situation. Standing there waiting for the refs to do something and rescue you from the situation, like you’re some kind of frail helpless baby sea otter caught in shark infested waters, should never be the solution when faced with this dilemma. How about showing your teammates that you’ve got some guts and that you’d rather not trade your dignity for two minutes of PP time?
How about skating away from Marchand and figuring out a way to score a goal at ES?
I think Marchand is a punk for doing that, but I think even worse of Daniel for standing there and letting him.
Marchand received a roughing penalty and Daniel got a penalty for whining. Seems apropos to me. I’d say justice was served.
Didn’t realize that whining was against the rules. And until Daniel said something, it didn’t look like it was going to be called in any event.
How about showing your teammates that you’ve got some guts and that you’d rather not trade your dignity for two minutes of PP time?
Because 2 minutes of PP time is the best way to try to win the hockey game at that point. The team could not score.
All told, I actually agree with you to some extent (I personally would have probably tried to break Marchand’s ankle with my stick or something), but in a situation where there was no dive, and simple poor unsportsmanship/jackassery from Marchand, somehow the Sedins STILL end up taking the worst of it in the media. Bizarre.
Clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose.
Since you brought it up
Didn’t realize that whining was against the rules.
Actually IT IS! Per NHL Rule 6.1 ,only the Captain and Alternates are supposed to talk to on ice officials, of course this does not give them free reign to bitch, since they still can draw an Unsportsman Like Conduct Penalty for crossing “the line”
NHL Rule Book
6.1 Captain – One Captain shall be appointed by each team, and he alone shall have the privilege of discussing with the Referee any questions relating to interpretation of rules which may arise during the progress of a game. He shall wear the letter "C," approximately three inches (3’’) in height and in contrasting color, in a conspicuous position on the front of his sweater. No co-Captains are permitted. Either one Captain and no more than two Alternate Captains, or no Captain an no more than three Alternate Captains are permitted (see 6.2).
Only the Captain, when invited to do so by the Referee, shall have the privilege of discussing any point relating to the interpretation of rules. Any Captain, Alternate Captain or any player who comes off the bench and makes any protest or intervention with the officials for any purpose shall be assessed a minor penalty for unsportsmanlike conduct under Rule 40 – Abuse of Officials. Should this protest continue, he may be assessed a misconduct penalty, and if it further continues, a game misconduct penalty shall be warranted.
A complaint about a penalty is NOT a matter "relating to the interpretation of the rules" and a minor penalty shall be imposed against any Captain, Alternate Captain or any other player making such a complaint.
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Nov 18, 2011 9:37 AM PST up reply actions
As posted on SCH as well
Daniel got 10 minutes for calling the ref “a fucking asshole”. Maybe that’s whining or a penalty no matter what. You would be hard-pressed to find an unsportsmanlike penalty attached to either Sedin. So I guess they don’t cross that line. And let’s get serious, most players do approach the ref and ask why a play was or wasn’t a penalty and the refs answer them. It’s when the player continues to challenge the refs hand out penalties.
Enjoying .500 hockey this year.
Agreed
But the point in concern was the part of
Didn’t realize that whining was against the rules.
Was simply pointing out, it in fact is against the rules.
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Nov 18, 2011 10:52 AM PST up reply actions
Agreed...it's against the rules.
But then do you agree that the Sedins do not whine since they do not get those penalties? Come on……agree…….my point is valid, backed up by facts.
Agree with me!!!
Enjoying .500 hockey this year.
I have heard Refs on in-game mics threaten to do it
But I do not recall it being enforced or used to the letter. Players do “get away” with it, but if the Ref does ever get tired of hearing it, he has this in his hip pocket to shut them up!
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Nov 18, 2011 1:13 PM PST up reply actions
Justice not being served
Jevant sees the score.
If you look at the big picture I think they play their game plan perfectly. There is no"Sedins" rule like there was a “Gretzky” rule. What are they supposed to do when they continue to get cross-check after cross-check. punched, slew footed. Game in and game out they continue to show there toughness by going into the corners and still putting up the points. AV has a knack for utilizing the strenghts of his players to the advantage instead of trying to create something that isn’t there. You gotta admit that the Nucks fly in the the face of a century old tradition of employing goons to protect your stars and bullying to intimidate your opponent.The Nucks are tough enough when they have to be. Other than some crappy luck trying to keep those very players everyone is screaming about in the line up they certainly don’t need another Larauque.
Retaliation has always got the penalties so why not use it to our advantage. I mean we do have the best PP in the league. The non-response of the players leads to a frustration of the other team who start taking stupid penalties and “whammo”…another win for the Nucks. The problem is that it flies in the face of tradition and people want to see violence instead of skill.Not to mention the Eastern hockey Gods are almost coming completely unglued. Between Cherry, Milbury, McLean and Bolland It seems something is about to snap.
Last year they came 60 minutes from the Stanley Cup using more players than anyone else in the league. They had the most injured man games, the best PP, the second best PK. They literally lead every stat there is. They have the most travel, crappiest schedule and still almost pulled it off. That’s what I call A great organization from top to bottom.
Another sneaky game plan is almost using your first line as a decoy for the second…Headed by the Selke Award winning Ryan Kessler.Between the first and second line you have the puck in the opponents end for two thirds of the game, then you have the best two way forward in the league scoring 41 goals and being a plus 24. Then you have the third line built from an overachieving Dane, a revitalized Raymond who could play on ay line as ell as maybe the comeback story of the year .If poor Manny hadn’t had his misfortune his faceoff winning % alone gaurantees that the Nucks will possess the puck even on the fourth line.And several other reclamation projects the Vancouver had the foresight to see. These guys have more leadership and more inspired players than anyone else.
It’s a tough city to play in because of the media, I agree. But The Organization is almost spot on. They adjusted to a new NHL before it even happened and they adapt like no other team.
As for the injustices that everyone out here in the west knows…it’s not even subtle…I will be kind for the reputation of this sight even though it is the rant section.
That being said…Bettman better start getting a handle on the situations that are evolving if he wants to keep his dream alive.
P.S. The Bad Boy Bruins wouldn’t have gone anywhere with out one of the most outstanding yearlong performances from a goalie in history from Thomas.
Definitely the dirtiest team in the league and most definitely the most classless.
Mat Meaden
by WeAreSpartans! on Dec 19, 2011 9:34 AM PST up reply actions
Agreed on all counts.
(especially with "trading dignity for 2 minutes of PP time)
I understand why Daniel did it (he was trying to show that he can take some punches, in order to give the team a PP=personal sacrifice for the team), but it backfired on him. It was bad judgement.
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I wasn't even going to post until Spring, but the "well what was he supposed to do" pisses me off so much!
You’re supposed to FLIP THE FUCK OUT when somebody rabbit punches you in the face 9 times! And if your Dad, big Brother, or Grandfather didn’t teach you this when you were 10, shame on your Dad, big Brother or Grandfather! Don’t start shit, but if someone starts shit with you, you always go down swinging! Fucking Sweden.
by Mica Van Isle on Nov 22, 2011 10:27 AM PST up reply actions
I guess Recchi forgot
he played with Lindros, whiner extraordinaire. Age is finally catching up to Old Man Recchi’s memory.
Enjoying .500 hockey this year.
The Bruins are dirty as fuck
but the Nucks pull out some pimpy shit that makes the rest of us hate them more. How the hell do you draw a roughing penalty for Patrick Kane without flopping on the ground like a European soccer player. Boston often gets away with it because they get the “old time hockey” tag in the media. Oh, and the constant bitching about officiating does not help. Granted, the refs do dick the dog from time to time, but not ALL the time.
Nevertheless I like when the Hawks play the Nucks, strickly because there is no better rivalry in the sport right now…and I may hate you as much as Detroit.
Nymphin' Ain't Easy Fly Fishing
Back off man, I'm a scientist
I cant fucking spell
*STRICTLY
Maybe I should not try to post and listen to a meeting at the same time
Nymphin' Ain't Easy Fly Fishing
Back off man, I'm a scientist
by BigCSouthside on Nov 18, 2011 7:26 AM PST up reply actions
Well said Sean
I’ve been watching the Canucks since I was a kid, im 35 now and I’ve never had such mixed feelings about the group of players wearing the jersey.
by Canuckelhead on Nov 18, 2011 8:08 AM PST via mobile reply actions
Yeah, I can sense that from you :) And I’m no different. I just want these guys to show some balls. The guilty ones. Has anyone seen the Canucks’ shot block totals this season? It’s now 29th overall. Hjalmarsson almost had more blocked shots last game than the whole Canucks team.
It’s just another example of these guys “coasting”. And to me it just makes all that whining and diving even worse. Grow some balls! Fuck!
So much for therapy working, haha.
Where’s Raffi when I need him? Damn I miss that guy.
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by Sean Zandberg on Nov 18, 2011 9:28 AM PST up reply actions
Raffi Torres was a floater
Don’t know why people romanticize about him so much.
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What? Are you and I gonna fight today?
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by Sean Zandberg on Nov 18, 2011 9:40 AM PST up reply actions
Hahaha
Sorry Sean.
But your talking about blocked shots and Raffi Torres. I loved Raffi’s killer hits as much as the next guy, but I never thought he was a hard worker on the ice…
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really? We are gonna fight today!
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by Sean Zandberg on Nov 18, 2011 9:42 AM PST up reply actions
No I wasn’t talking about blocked shots. Not Raffi. He was too busy killing people to block shots
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by Sean Zandberg on Nov 18, 2011 9:43 AM PST up reply actions
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What’s up with your sig?
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by Sean Zandberg on Nov 18, 2011 9:52 AM PST up reply actions
luongo's
october save percentages? :D
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by Twitchy2010 on Nov 18, 2011 10:01 AM PST up reply actions 8 recs
I greened it. Couldn’t resist :)
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by Sean Zandberg on Nov 18, 2011 12:35 PM PST up reply actions
I like joke
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
I’m guessing it’s either Jose Bautista or Joey Votto’s Batting Average/On-base Average/Slugging Average
by Passive Voice on Nov 18, 2011 10:16 AM PST up reply actions
Bah, it’s Larry Walker’s career. Damn that guy was good.
by Passive Voice on Nov 18, 2011 10:19 AM PST up reply actions
You got it!
True BC Legend. ;)
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Miss Raffi as well
as all those howler monkey gifs…
BC-born or not
I lost all respect for his opinions with the Pacioretty stuff. I could give a fuck what his opinion is of his breakfast much less Vancouver.
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by Yankee Canuck on Nov 18, 2011 8:28 AM PST reply actions 5 recs
Ditto
Show some class, Dr. Recchi.
Warm winds blowing, heating blue sky, and a road that goes forever...
Yep. The Pacioretty incident means I don’t respect his opinion as much as I might if the comment came from another player. I do think what he said is worth pondering though. Are we whiney/dirty?
My impression: I think this rep is overblown/exagerrated. Because its an interesting narrative and we live in a social media world where ideas spread very quickly. As well, there were massive amounts of media around during the finals, which is where alot of this dirty/cheap impression comes from. I don’t think the Finals are representative of the team. They were very disciplined and even keeled all year….they really lost that in the Finals. The SCF version of the Canucks WAS whiney and dirty, to my eyes. Burr and Lappy and Rome weren’t like that in the reg season. I think the pressure, intensity, and eventually, desperation, pushed them over the edge.
Aaron Rome once had an awkward moment, just to see how it feels.
As a knee-jerk reaction, it’s easy to dismiss what Recchi said. Hell, we can dismiss what the whole world says about the Canucks. It’s the romantic notion of “the World Against Us”
But we cannot fool the whole world, and shouldn’t fool ourselves. Look, why do we love and respect somebody like Stevie Yzermann, or Joe Sacic, or Nicklas Lindstrom so much. Because they played fair, and didn’t trade their pride and dignity for any of this bullshit. And we should’t expect less from Kesler, Burrows, Luongo or the Sedins. They don’t need to be actors, to succeed in the NHL.
When you dive or act like a clown, you disrespect the whole sport, including the fans, your own fans as well. You do more damage to your team on the long term, then the short term gain that you hope to get.
And the blame should start with Gillis and Vingneault. If I were the coach, I would come down hard on whomever does it, every single time. I would make fun of the act, and ridicule it in the media and in the dressing room as well. I guarantee that it would stop in a heartbeat. The problem is that the management comes to their defense every time they do it.
Los Angeles, CA
This would be the first step
The problem is that the management comes to their defense every time they do it.
It does not (and should not include) calling out your players in the press, but it DOES mean you do not justify doing it to them! Silence in the press, Screaming in the Locker Room.
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Nov 18, 2011 9:28 AM PST up reply actions
I would do
it in the press as well. Just trying to make a joke out of it. Make people laugh. That would catch the players’ attention, and they could not accuse the coach of being mean spirited. Humor is the best medicine for a lot of things.
(and yes, I would scream in the locker room)
Los Angeles, CA
You NEVER want the players to think the Coach does not have their back
Or is going to throw them under the buss. You want to have the respect owed, but not have your players scared/fearing public reprisal like that!
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Nov 18, 2011 9:38 AM PST up reply actions
Good thing
that I am not a coach, then.
A few weeks ago, when my 8-year old son did not back-check enough during his last hockey game, I threw a fit that lasted the whole day. The whole team noticed it, and he didn’t like it, but he works much harder on the ice, ever since.
Los Angeles, CA
I really hope
You’re exaggerating for the sake of the story here.
by Canuckelhead on Nov 18, 2011 10:20 AM PST up reply actions
I am
a little bit, but it is true that it took me half a day to settle down, and allow my son to speak to me again. Then he promised to never slack again, and it is all good, ever since.
Los Angeles, CA
Fair enough
I just had this image of you balling out your son in front of his team and I’ve seen that happen. Sure he’ll back check but he’ll also learn to hate hockey.
Rant Alert!
The best part of playing hockey is the creativity and the freedom when you’re on the ice. The fact that the game moves so fast makes it impossible to think, the outside world melts away because you’re forced to deal with only what’s happening directly in front of you. That’s what makes it the greatest game on the planet to play. While it’s important to learn all the systems and hockey habits growing up, not only for the kids sake as a hockey player but to also instill discipline and understanding about how to be responsible when other people are counting on you. But too often we make that the focus, when really the focus should be fostering the love for the game. Wayne Gretzky didn’t stay out on the ice every day after dark because his dad made him. He did it because he loved it and that’s the kind of player that revolutionizes the game. I warned you this was a rant, and I’m not assuming that you treat your son one way or the other. It’s just something that bothers me in general. When I walk into an arena and smell the rink it’s not the systems that come flooding back to me. It’s memories of plays I made before I had a chance to even consider them and the wind in my face as I took a full stride down the ice
by Canuckelhead on Nov 18, 2011 10:45 AM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Beautiful post
I appreciate you insight.
Oh no, I would never do such a scene with Stevie. In fact my silence after the game, prompted him to come to me and ask me what’s wrong. I was rather passive-aggressive, and simmered for a while. And the teammates found out a few days later, during more level-headed conversations. You are right, what really matters is for him to have fun, and I make sure that I praise him 95% of the time, and rarely call him out on anything. And he loves the games, and can’t wait for the weekends when most of the games are played.
Los Angeles, CA
Wow, not bad for a canucklehead
Extremely well put. I’ve coached my kids a lot, and always was harder on them. But I always praised them or whoever made a good play ten times more.
You might not believe this, but my son and I were sitting on the back deck this summer and he asked me what my all time favorite goal was. I thought for about 10 seconds and said, “When you scored your first goal this summer in that JV tournament.” (He just started playing organized hockey last year and believe me he took some lumps.) He looked at me incredulously and he said, “more than Kaners game winner against Philadelphia?”
I had to think for another 10 seconds and said, “Yep, even more than Kaners.” he looked a little confused that I would say that, but as a parent this minor accomplishment, in a game they won 3-2, was hard to top.
Maybe that’s why we push so hard – we want them to succeed so badly. But as you so astutely point out, you want them going to the rink with a hop in their stride, not thinking of it as drudgery.
I absolutely loved the line, “The fact that this game moves so fast makes it impossible to think, the outside world melts away because you’re forced to deal with only what’s happenning directly in front of you.”
Your last sentence was a “bute” also.
by wardrums on Nov 18, 2011 11:50 AM PST up reply actions 5 recs
Rec’ced because that is awesome, no matter your allegiance. I think it’s the same for all aspects, not just hockey.
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by Vancouverguy on Nov 18, 2011 11:56 AM PST up reply actions
The fact that you actually thought about it makes that story gold
Because it proves it’s more than lip service. That’s a great story and I hate you for it because I want to hold on to my belief that all blackhawk fans are evil ;). In all seriousness good on you man.
by Canuckelhead on Nov 18, 2011 12:00 PM PST up reply actions
When I was a kid...
Bobby Hull’s 50th was a close second.
My wife and I were going crazy when Greg scored – what a thrill it must have been for him to skate by the bench and then have the coach pound on his helmet – yes!
Little victories, huge moments.
When you're a kid the game seems even bigger right?
As seriously as I take watching hockey now it pales in comparison to the angst I felt as a kid. Nevermind the playing of it, where games can take on gladiatoresque proportions in their seriousness. No doubt skating by the bench musta been a thrill. The best thing I remember about scoring big goals was the immediate surprise that it actually went in. It’s only for a split second but that’s what makes you want to jump out of the rink.
by Canuckelhead on Nov 18, 2011 1:11 PM PST up reply actions
I wouldn't call Recchi a legend.
A good hockey player, yes.
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Uh, yes he is. Look at his accomplishments.
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by Sean Zandberg on Nov 18, 2011 9:39 AM PST up reply actions
He was a very good player for a long time
But I couldn’t ever pick a team he played on when I thought he was the best player on it.
Hall of Famer, yes. But I reserve the legend label for a select few.
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Yeah, fair enough. But in BC he is a legend anyway as far as a BC Product goes. Like, if you made an all-BC team….
Recchi was they Flyers’ best player in 1992-93. He still holds the Flyers’ record for points in a season. That’s pretty damned impressive.
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by Sean Zandberg on Nov 18, 2011 9:55 AM PST up reply actions
and don't forget
That when he came into the league B.C. raised players were far more rare. People forget how good he was because he had lost most his speed these last few years.
by Canuckelhead on Nov 18, 2011 10:26 AM PST up reply actions
I really liked
him when he played for Montreal. Corson, Recchi, Damphouse, Koivu. I used to always watch the early Saturday games on HNIC just to see those four play, and cheered for the Habs in the playoffs while we were busy golfing..
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Speaking of BC’s all-time team, I think it’s gonna look a lot better in about 20 years. At least some of the following have got to turn out, right?
Nugent-Jehovkins
Johansen
Connolly
Kane
Beach
Turris
Teubert
Wotherspoon
Yuen
Bulmer
Hamilton
Elliott
Right?
by Passive Voice on Nov 18, 2011 10:32 AM PST up reply actions
Add
Kevin Sundher to that list.
Warm winds blowing, heating blue sky, and a road that goes forever...
Various Reinhart brothers too, with luck.
by Passive Voice on Nov 18, 2011 5:12 PM PST up reply actions
Good one
But I’d probably take Beach off of the list.
Warm winds blowing, heating blue sky, and a road that goes forever...
yeah things aren’t looking up for him. But he is enormous, so maybe!
by Passive Voice on Nov 18, 2011 5:17 PM PST up reply actions
also, i’m of course ignoring well-established players like, you know,
keith-seabrook
hammy-weber
big thick willie-jackman
which defensive unit i’d feel pretty fucking good about taking to the olympics.
by Passive Voice on Nov 18, 2011 5:32 PM PST up reply actions
WHAT ABOUT AARON ROME
HE’S SO GOOD HE’S FROM ALL TEH PROVINCEZ!!!111
<3 Boobies!
notafullcolon CS: Well obviously I meant we were snorting blow off hookers at the time of the goal
another good article Sean. Penalty drawing is probably my most hated sports behavior. “fake fouls” is why I stopped watching the NBA. The Canucks have GOT to stop the diving crap, it only adds fuel to the media fire and I feel, is what makes the refs not call legit penalties for them.
As for their game, time to tighten things up guys. How many more times are you going to skate fast out of your own end and then uselessly dump the puck somewhere towards the other end before you realize it isn’t magically going to find a player who isn’t there to cash in?
Thanks, cg. Fake fouls is why I will never watch basketball.
I want to see the pucks on net plus dirty goals when finessing isn’t working.
Sometimes you need a little Finesse. Sometimes you need a lot. Damn it, now I have that song stuck in my head.
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by Sean Zandberg on Nov 18, 2011 9:57 AM PST up reply actions
I don't watch basketball because, it's basketball
The whole 9 of 10 ESPN’s top plays are slam dunks that happen 10-30 times a night per game doesn’t help either, when you have Hockey Goals scored that happen far fewer times and are skill wise, much more impressive!
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Nov 18, 2011 10:02 AM PST up reply actions
And I have a whole rant about slam dunks and net height. You know it used to be basketball players at 6 ft and change were tall so a net four ft above your head was about right. Now we have guys nearly 8 ft tall and the net is still 10 ft standard??
I’m 5’9" and I can look like boss too on a Fisher Price net…just sayin’ not that impressive if you think about it
Exactly! Every time I see one of those slamdunks, I wonder what the big deal is. Not that hard when players are that tall.
On the diving issue, I absolutely HATE it. And I know the Canucks do it. Do they do it more than all the other teams? I don’t think we can prove that. But I hate it when I see our players do it. It’s the reason I can’t watch soccer. The players rolling around on the field, looking like they’re about to cry, then popping back up again. Disgusting.
It’s too bad the league can’t track dives like they do other stats in the NHL, lol. There’s no way you could make that kind of stat tracking objective/not biased. I can just imagine a CHI-VAN game. Dives CHI 0 – VAN 1000000000000.
Aaron Rome once had an awkward moment, just to see how it feels.
A fellow named Killon wrote a great opening paragraph to an article on SCH yesterday...
“There’s a certain thing about rivalry games. It gets to a certain point where you don’t even enjoy them anymore. I hate watching the Wings play the Hawks…it’s like pulling teeth the entire 60 minutes. It’s the same now with the canucks. From the drop of the puck, the game isn’t really all that enjoyable…it’s horrible.
Your stomach drops everytime the other team is in possession of the puck. Everytime the hawks just miss, you’re sure that’s the one and only chance they had to win it all. The rivals score first, and you’re sure you’re going to do some anger drinking for the rest of the night."
As I watched the game in the first period on wednesday, this described exactly what the rivalry was doing to my internal constitution. I don’t get that way except when we play you guys, and to a lesser extent, the Wings. And then fortunately, our ball and chain left winger, (Brunette), chipped one in over Schneiders right shoulder. and I smiled and headed to the fridge to get a stella. One thing for sure, this rivalry is intense – and that’s only from the fans perspective.
And although we won going away, the game was a lot closer than the final score. Both teams had chances the first 30 min, although I thought vancouver had more. It seems like a lot of times in this match up it comes down to who has the hotter goalie that night. Your record at the moment belies the strength and the talent on your team.
I have cut my alcohol consumption down by about 90%. So I rarely drink during games anymore. Watching sober sucks. I feel like I have so much less emotion. Then again, I have been watching almost all of the games by myself to so….
It think it’s better to drink and watch it with your friends. That always makes it a lot more enjoyable.
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by Sean Zandberg on Nov 18, 2011 12:34 PM PST up reply actions
my brother and I used to get pretty liquored up back in the day at the Chicago Stadium...
then we started paying more attention to what was going on, I actually started to like watching the game without a buzz. Currently, at $8/beer at the U.C., drinking is not really an option.
i do know one thing, a cold beer after I’ve actually played is a slice of heaven on earth. Don’t the first two go down like water?
Heh! I don’t drink beer. I drink Spiced Rum And Coke.
I like beer with a game of golf.
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by Sean Zandberg on Nov 18, 2011 12:59 PM PST up reply actions
….and I just implied 2 different things. I rarely ever drink beer except for when I golf. The price and quality of beer at Roger’s Arena is ASS. I won’t support that cause ever again.
Man nothing beats getting free box tickets from corporate. That’s where the good booze is! Alas, I don’t get those box seats anymore.
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by Sean Zandberg on Nov 18, 2011 1:02 PM PST up reply actions
isn't stanley park amber ale now at rogers?
That stuff is alright, better than some other cheap ass beer out there…
you can't wear your heart on your sleeve, if you're just gonna leave...
by kiyotok on Nov 18, 2011 11:01 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
This is why
I have the most fun when I go to a live game that doesn’t involve the Canucks. I can relax, have a drink, and just appreciate hockey, without any emotional investment.
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Read that last night.
Killon is bang on.
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penalty drawing can be a complimented behavior
but it has to occur from hard work, and causing the other player to feel the need to hook or slash or trip. if someones skating hard to the net, working their ass off in the corners, and drawing penalties from that i would rather have them on my team than a more skilled player that plays a soft game. heart wins playoff games, as stupid and corny as it sounds. until the canucks change their mindset, they are always going to have an off season full of regrets.
by trois murs on Nov 18, 2011 10:33 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
i would rather have them on my team than a more skilled player that plays a soft game
This is more true in hockey than in other sports, because hockey is such a physical game. The good news is that a skilled player can acquire more grit, but a gritty player hasn’t much hope to acquire more skill. I hope the Canucks realize this.
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Well said, trois murs.
BTW…I have been thinking about Claude Lemieux since I wrote this post last night. That’s a guy I always wanted here, even though he was an embellishing fiend. He was dirty as hell. Hated more than most. But god damn he sure played to win.
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by Sean Zandberg on Nov 18, 2011 12:13 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, Mario Lemieux. What an ass!
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by Sean Zandberg on Nov 18, 2011 12:24 PM PST up reply actions
Bad as in dirty? He can’t hear you because he has 2 Stanley Cup rings stuffed in each of his ears :)
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by Sean Zandberg on Nov 18, 2011 12:30 PM PST up reply actions
Fuck Mario!! He did it on one team in back to back years AS A PLAYER. Claude did it with 3 different teams!
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by Sean Zandberg on Nov 18, 2011 2:49 PM PST up reply actions
BTW Mario only has 3 rings total
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by Sean Zandberg on Nov 18, 2011 2:50 PM PST up reply actions
only?
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
Claude has a whopping FOUR!!! WOA!!!
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by Sean Zandberg on Nov 18, 2011 3:33 PM PST up reply actions
Three is still pretty damn good!
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
I know, I’m being sarcastic. But Mario only got 2 as a player. Claude had 4. So…SUCK IT MARIO
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by Sean Zandberg on Nov 18, 2011 5:01 PM PST up reply actions
Why throw that in there? Mario had plenty of chances to win more
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by Sean Zandberg on Nov 19, 2011 10:59 AM PST up reply actions
OT but I have to say
As much as I can get out the pitchfork and yell for AV’s head, sometimes the way he says things really gives me pause. After this loss for instance, he understands the team is not good enough and without panic he’s addressing the situation. He really is a great coach and I can see why it’s such a hard decision for GMMG. That doesn’t change the fact that he needs to go in my opinion but the man deserves all the respect in the world as a coach and I should try and remember that.
Yeah
it has to do with the shelf-life of a coach. It doesn’t matter how good you are. Just like Barry Trotz, who needs to re-invent himself every few years, but I don’t think that it is possible, after coaching the same team for a decade.
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Uh
Trotz hasn’t changed one iota in all his years in Nashville.
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awesome goalie + trap trap trap
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by Sean Zandberg on Nov 18, 2011 5:14 PM PST up reply actions
I agree
AV has been an awesome coach who has an extremely likeable personality. I don’t know if he’s right for the team in order to progress to the next level, but that shouldn’t take away from him being as good as he is.
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notafullcolon CS: Well obviously I meant we were snorting blow off hookers at the time of the goal
Tying the
can to AV’s tail now would be nothing more than a panic move.
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I don't know if I agree
but I can certainly see the reasons for keeping him on too.
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notafullcolon CS: Well obviously I meant we were snorting blow off hookers at the time of the goal
Keep up the rhetoric
or more people might actually start to talk about the second set of rules used in the SCF.
As a side note, then why not call the diving penalty then? Have they stopped doing that? You know, both guys go off? One for tripping and the other for unsportsmanlike conduct?
I think they should just send the diver off in that situation. If it was a dive then why is the other player penalized?
Because, typically, diving is an embellishment
Sure, the opposing player may have gotten the stick caught in the skates of the one diving. But the diver embellishes the play to make it worse than it actually was and could have avoided going down. It’s not often when someone goes down untouched. But it does happen. In that case, only the diver should be whistled.
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by IndianHeadCrest on Nov 18, 2011 11:23 AM PST up reply actions
Also
Catching diving in real time can be pretty tough unless it’s a really obvious embellishment. Refs don’t have the benefit of slo-mo
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
I still think you should call one or the other but not both unless there actually the player hindered him enough that a penalty would’ve been called anyways. To me it gives the diver a chance to control the game. Maybe he wants it to be 4 on 4.
I guess it’s still better than soccer where they actually reward divers.
This is why I can't watch soccer
though I have tried. It absolutely drives me crazy when a guy take the cleats to the calf and goes down like he’s been shot 13 times with a .45. I watch hockey players take vulcanized rubber to the face from a slapper at 100+mph and they sweep their teeth to the boards, get up, and make a play. Soccer has no integrity.
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by IndianHeadCrest on Nov 18, 2011 9:42 PM PST up reply actions
I said in the post:
Maybe, just maybe, arrogance is a part of the reason why this Canucks team is at 500 and is taking nights off rather than piling up wins. Maybe they are just biding their time before pouring it on.
Whether that’s a right or wrong assessment, does it make any of your leery to go out and spend an obscene amount on tickets to a game? I am starting to feel that way. Like I need to be selective on WHEN I get tickets. As in….February, March or April when the Canucks play a team that doesn’t suck.
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I think it's the word "arrogant"
That rubs people the wrong way.
What he probably meant to say was the Canucks are “too proud” to get down and dirty. I know they’re the same thing, but arrogant and too proud just have a different ring to it.
To me, what Recchi is saying is the Canucks were too proud to use dirty tactics and play like goons. That’s what won Boston the cup. The Canucks decided not to get involved in the goon-ish behavior and it backfired on them.
Now whether that’s a good thing or bad thing, I don’t know. It certainly won Boston the cup and that alone would make it “ok” in some peoples eyes.
It reminds me of all the crap that spews from Don Cherry about how hockey used to be better “in the old days”. Pansy players not standing up for themselves and players acting like prima donna’s. But ultimately maybe he’s right. Boston played an old school down-and-dirty game and won the Cup, while the Canucks went new-gen style and lost.
But it also comes down to a change and shift in the game. I stopped watching basketball all together because I got fed up with the new gen NBA cry babies playing a touchy-feely game. I still watch old games of the Lakers, Pistons, Knicks, and Bulls days when elbows and teeth were flying everywhere.
So maybe with all these restrictions on hitting and adjustments for goal scoring emphasis over the past while, maybe last years Canucks were what the NHL was trying to achieve. Maybe that’s the style of hockey that the NHL is moving towards, and Recchi isn’t just singling out the Canucks, but just using them as a perfect example of what the NHL is moving toward.
Definition of ARROGANT
1
: exaggerating or disposed to exaggerate one’s own worth or importance often by an overbearing manner
2
: showing an offensive attitude of superiority : proceeding from or characterized by arrogance
You know, like Luongo bitching about Timmy not pumping his tires. Like when they were up 2-0 in the series they got cocky…arrogant….
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by Sean Zandberg on Nov 18, 2011 12:58 PM PST up reply actions
Like what Hank said
About the Hawks after Game 7
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
Hank said what?
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by Sean Zandberg on Nov 18, 2011 2:51 PM PST up reply actions
But that's the thing...
What I was trying to say was you’re giving Recchi too much credit. What he’s talking about is how he thinks the Canucks are a bunch of whiny players due to the falling, diving and “antics” of the Canucks. He simply misused the word “arrogant”.
But your point (which I also agree with btw) is how the attitude of the Canucks towards the game has been lacking, putting themselves on a pedestal when they shouldn’t be. That’s two different things.
I think you have a valid point, all I’m saying is you’re giving Mark “MD” Recchi too much credit. What he said, and what you’re saying, aren’t connected.
I don’t think he misused the word arrogant. It was just another “insult” on top of the others.
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by Sean Zandberg on Nov 18, 2011 5:00 PM PST up reply actions
Spot on
The Canucks are a perfect example of what the league is trying to achieve and in my opinion it makes them the best target. Old habits die hard. And that is exactly why Boston won. The Nucks didn’t win the prize but they sure shook up the hockey gods over there in the East. After the initial let down I realized pretty quickly that they fought the sheriff and the sheriff won. THIS TIME!
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by WeAreSpartans! on Dec 19, 2011 10:06 AM PST up reply actions
We should ask him what he thinks about Pacioretty
Based off that, he seems like a pretty astute guy.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Nov 18, 2011 1:35 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I came here to troll
but this is actually an extremely well-thought out and objective article. Good read.
The title is so misleading isn’t it?
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by Sean Zandberg on Nov 18, 2011 2:51 PM PST up reply actions
What the fuck
Is with all this agreement between Hawks fans and Canucks fans? Did someone slip something in the water??
;)
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by Semi_Colon on Nov 18, 2011 2:37 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
It’s a great day to talk hockey!
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by Sean Zandberg on Nov 18, 2011 2:52 PM PST up reply actions
I imagine “funnykittensite.com” is Missy’s homepage.
by Passive Voice on Nov 18, 2011 5:13 PM PST up reply actions
nice try, it’s just My Yahoo!.
Google Images is too handy.
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heheheh the only good cat is a dead one :)
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by Sean Zandberg on Nov 18, 2011 3:50 PM PST up reply actions
damn straight
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this is pretty funny.
http://funny-pictures-blog.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Dog-vs.-Cat-Diaries.jpg
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by missy on Nov 18, 2011 5:10 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
heheheh
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by Sean Zandberg on Nov 18, 2011 5:12 PM PST up reply actions
that cat entry makes me think of Stewie Griffin.
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haha, true! Never thought of that
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by Sean Zandberg on Nov 18, 2011 5:14 PM PST up reply actions
it's weird isn't it...?
kinda fun though.. that said, it won’t last…
enough of the niceties: time for the eye-gouging..
and yes, I probably *should* be asleep right now!
by mightymike D on Nov 18, 2011 3:29 PM PST up reply actions
I'm sure it's just a coincidince
that this information came out the same day that it was announced that Chara wouldn’t be facing charges for his hit on Paccioretty. Just a really convenient, easy for people to get behind smoke screen… not implying anything here. Just marking the timing…
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Recchi was there for some kind of fundraiser stuff I believe
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by Sean Zandberg on Nov 18, 2011 4:53 PM PST up reply actions
yup
but did he have to say what he did?
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Funny that
this story comes up the same day that PD does a story about how the Bruins have turned their early season funk around by embracing a “heel” persona.
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it's almost like...
it’s a campaign of some sort. nah, that’s conspiracy theory talk.
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Just cuz we're
paranoid doesn’t mean people aren’t out to get us.
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shhhh
they’re recording everything we’re saying…. oh, man… we are soooooo screwed
there’s only one way to stop this:

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Why would Major League Baseball
be spying on us?
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Nov 18, 2011 6:33 PM PST up reply actions
look man
it worked for them, Bettman’s ideas all come from what everyone else…. dammit Chuckles! You’re one of them, aren’t you????

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so um....
…..and Dimebag gets shot on stage? Where was that damn crazed marine on THAT one???
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by Sean Zandberg on Nov 18, 2011 4:55 PM PST up reply actions
I thought that was hilarious
and even if I advocated shooting someone on stage (which I don’t) I’d have a list that doesn’t include this dude. He’s a fan, you can tell that.
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Ah, my fun meter has obviously dropped over the past few hours.
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by Sean Zandberg on Nov 18, 2011 5:10 PM PST up reply actions
well
you’re a dad. you’re getting older. you don’t drink as much. so in otherwords… you’re becoming me. welcome to hell.
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FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
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by Sean Zandberg on Nov 18, 2011 7:58 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXuSfYupcUo&feature=related
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Well written out Sean
I totally agree with you. I’m not that big of a Recchi fan after this last year, just with everything he was saying regarding Pacioretty and how conveniently he forgets that he was a massive asshole in the Finals as well and how played on a team that sent two opposing players to hospital with spinal injuries when the puck was nowhere near them, but the root of it is pretty close to the mark.
I hate seeing anyone dive, my team or the others. It’s not how we played hockey growing up in Canada and it annoys the hell out of me when we do it. My frustration is especially compounded by how little the team is trying. Look at that Anaheim game. We played hard for 20 minutes and totally dominated them. Too little too late, like so many things these guys are doing so far this season.
Hopefully another embarrassing loss to the ’hawks is the impetus they need to galvanize the season like last year.
P.S. Lecavlier’s 2 goals sure would’ve helped you out last night!
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by cyclone's ghost on Nov 18, 2011 4:55 PM PST reply actions
Oh you would bring Lecavalier up!!! I thought of you when watching the highlights then realized I STILL wouldn’t take that piece of suck!
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by Sean Zandberg on Nov 18, 2011 4:59 PM PST up reply actions
OT
2010 pick Patrick McNally just shattered the glass at Clarkson University with a wrist shot. So either the glass was brittle or he is the strongest man in the world, and I’m going to blindly believe it’s option 2.
by Passive Voice on Nov 18, 2011 5:16 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
+1
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Nov 18, 2011 5:42 PM PST up reply actions
as a sports fan
it’s our job to blindly believe in things.
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notafullcolon CS: Well obviously I meant we were snorting blow off hookers at the time of the goal
Bizarro World
Canucks win game 7 and five months later, Hank Sedin interrupts his retirement to fly to Vancouver for Hockey Breakfast with Rintoul and Chappy. He calls the Bruins a “Bunch of thugs, a joke from the ’70’s”, hops back on his jet, makes a brief stopover for a speaking engagement at http://www.eliteleadershiptraining.com/ and high tails it back to Örnsköldsvik.
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MANcari!!!!!
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GOAL!!! Mark Mancari puts in an empty netter. Wolves lead 6-3 very late in the 3rd
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Chicago wins 6-3
Sweatt, Connauton and Duco all scored. Mancari finished with 3 points.
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Oh noes…Stanchion is gonna be all over this Mancari night
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by Sean Zandberg on Nov 18, 2011 7:59 PM PST up reply actions
eewwwwwwwwww
<3 Boobies!
notafullcolon CS: Well obviously I meant we were snorting blow off hookers at the time of the goal
can we please
avoid mayo analogies when referring to Stanch’s love for Mancari?
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Bieksa steps up to the plate as always
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Bieksa on recchi: “Isn’t he retired? Tell him to play a round of golf or take a nap. What’s he chirping us for?”
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by Semi_Colon on Nov 19, 2011 2:06 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
OH MAN
THAT IS GOLD
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