Canucks Collect Dale Weise / Waive Victor Oreskovich
by Sean Zandberg on Oct 4, 2011 3:01 PM PDT
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Today the Canucks plucked 23 year-old Weise (pronounced Weese) off waivers from the New York Rangers and in turn put Oreskovich on waivers to make way for him. Weise is more a fighter than a scorer. But that doesn't mean he doesn't have any hands. See his AHL stats below. The 6'2" 206 pound Winnipeg native is a right winger who has only played 10 games in the NHL (last season with the Rangers-zero points 19 penalty minutes). Weise is currently on a 2-way contract worth $605,000, the same amount of dollars Oreskovich is making. I guess this makes Weise a Canucks 4th liner, as I thought Oreskovich had performed terrific in preseason and looked like a lock on that line.
Huh. Edit: See interview with AV at the bottom of the post. They are calling Weise an upgrade over Oreo. "Busier".
Judging by the AHL stats it looks like the newest Canuck has better hands than Oreo though.
A funny Weise moment:
"Dangerous Dale" they call him:
AV talks about Weise the Canucks roster:
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Still don't completely understand this
Did think that Oreo had a good pre-season, and he’s had some time to get chemistry with the others? Maybe they really just don’t want to hug him
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
I don’t think the difference between Oreo and Weise makes enough sense to make this move, but with reports of the Canucks trying to trade for Weise last year, obviously the Canucks see something in him that made him an obvious pick up. Maybe he resembles Aaron Rome? Or gives massages just like Aaron Rome? I don’t know.
The company line is that he is a “busier” player than Oreskovich.
by The Stanchion on Oct 4, 2011 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions
well he is young, 23 right?
but i dont think oreo was that old..
power forward in the making? i do think he has better hand than oreo from that highlight vid
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Its the unknown versus the known at this point.
I like the new guys numbers better than Wrecker, but thought his last preseason game here was his best.
But I do trust the Canucks and the scout staff GMMG has that if they say he is an improvement, I will give him a chance.
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more goals, assists and points in fewer AHL games last season than godson. clearly, gillis picked him up to play on the 2nd line.
seriously, from his videos looks up he’s good at picking up garbage goals. and we don’t nearly have enough of those guys. he’s also good at converting open netters so… at the least an upgrade from tanner glass.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Oct 4, 2011 5:10 PM PDT reply actions
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Oct 6, 2011 12:46 AM PDT up reply actions
I think he'll be alright
At the very least, he’ll fulfill the fourth line expectation of not being a liability. It would be nice if he could pot a few goals for us too.
Hey! The Leafs acquired the best faceoff guy in the League last season.
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they
have a shitload of centers now
Connolly, Kadri, Lombardi, Bozak, Dupuis, Steckel
yeah, just that Connolly and Lombardi are injury prone. Good to have extras
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by Sean Zandberg on Oct 4, 2011 6:17 PM PDT up reply actions
and go figure..Steckel is an American
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by Sean Zandberg on Oct 4, 2011 6:21 PM PDT up reply actions
you mean
a shitload of talent-average centres. It’s not like any of these guys (maybe Kadri) would be a first or second liner on most other teams.
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notafullcolon CS: Well obviously I meant we were snorting blow off hookers at the time of the goal
by Canuckles on Oct 4, 2011 7:33 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
*most other competitive teams
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notafullcolon CS: Well obviously I meant we were snorting blow off hookers at the time of the goal
Kadri won’t crack any top 2 lines on teams. unless you’re referring to Calgary or Florida….
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by Vancouverguy on Oct 4, 2011 11:28 PM PDT up reply actions
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Oct 6, 2011 12:46 AM PDT up reply actions
Avery is on waivers too.
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and now I noticed all this already yacked about in Stanchion’s post.
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by Sean Zandberg on Oct 4, 2011 7:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Wow
I’m really surprised. I like the looks of Weise after seeing the highlight reel (except that weirdness w/ the stick bookmarking the highlight reel – wtf was that??) but I really thought that this was gonna be Oreo’s breakout year.
True – he has lumberjack hands. It was uber frustrating last year watching him, Glass and Tamby fumble around the goal like a pimply teen with the homecoming teen’s bra on prom night… but I SAW real flashes in Oreo’s game when he was skating all out, where aspects reminded me of Ovechkin – swear to god.
Maybe you can’t teach hands – hand-eye is something you have, or don’t – but I won’t be surprised at ALL if Oreo goes on and becomes a 20 goal scorer at some point.
You have to remember that in spite of his age, given his unique circumstances, his upside is completely unknown. And I know for a fact that you can’t teach size and speed… and he has them both in spades.
I have to say though, that based on Weise’s highlight reel, it looks like he might have tremendous upside as well, and if the boys in the backroom have been quietly coveting him for years, and the Rangers put him on waivers, it was probably all too much to handle.
I wonder how much Oreo’s holdout affected things?? I know that the Canucks really cultivate an attitude best exemplified by guys like Kes and Juice, (and hopefully Burr too when the time comes) but Jesus, how can you blame a guy in Oreo’s situation from wanting a 1 way contract??
Update
Wow – I just watched Weise’s fights, and I have to say I’m not impressed. He got his ass kicked (just this year) by Brad Mills, and ditto for his fights with Ott, Rinaldo and Carcillo. So the Nucks can’t be counting on him to be a scrapper – I guess it makes sense though – The kid is game – whether or not he’s got the best of his scraps, he’s willing to throw down, and in a vacuum, (and we’re not talking about a vacuum really b/c the assumption is that he’s got better hands than Oreo) that makes him an upgrade over Oreo – who (with the exception of once this pre-season after AV chided him publicly) went to the Maxim Lapierre school of fighting.
Serious question – Why don’t the Canucks approach Rick Rypien’s dad, bring him to camp, and have him teach the tough guys how to fight like a Rypper?
by 8294Heartbreak on Oct 4, 2011 6:44 PM PDT up reply actions
My projection of Oreo? 5 goals or less at the NHL level…quite possibly a career AHL’er
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by Sean Zandberg on Oct 4, 2011 6:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Not impressed at all.
I thought Oreo would have been an excellent grinder in the bottom 6 this year, really liked what he showed us towards the end of last season and in the playoffs.
Bah! Screw the grinding if they can’t chip in on the scoreboard, IMO. Our 4th line is looking way better than it ever has.
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by Sean Zandberg on Oct 4, 2011 6:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, Weise still hasn’t shown he can do much of anything at the NHL level
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
but his potential to do so is higher than that of Oreo, IMO
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by Sean Zandberg on Oct 4, 2011 7:17 PM PDT up reply actions
no
but having a 4th line that can score is a huge boon for a team
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notafullcolon CS: Well obviously I meant we were snorting blow off hookers at the time of the goal
Or just a 4th line that can play... Nobody is saying they need to carry the load offensively,
but as I remember it, every time the Bruins fourth line was on the ice, they moved the puck well, pissed everybody off, and seemed to keep the play pretty much in our end. Anytime our 4th line was on, never mind in the finals just in general, it was like watching the last 10 seconds of life on planet earth. They don’t need to be stars, but they need to serve some sort of function, and I think Oreskovich, while I loved his speed and size, sort of embodied this glaring lack on the Canucks 4th line. Just sort of skating around, not doing anything, hoping we don’t get scored on. I think Volpatti contributes more to the 4th, Duco could, and while we can’t say for sure about Weise, Oreo didn’t really set the bar high in my opinion. Good move.
by RogerFenway on Oct 4, 2011 9:46 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
OT: Is anybody getting a “Content Encoding Error” when trying to access the site? I get it about 4 times then the 5th time I reload it works.
me either
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by Sean Zandberg on Oct 4, 2011 9:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Compression error?
i’ve been getting that for the last 48 hours or so!!!!!!!!!!
it’s only on this computer i have at home, only on SBN.
i did a google search, they suggest to clear your cache and cookies, and to maybe check your firewall settings.
i did the cache and cookies, but can’t find the damn firewall settings on this computer. i’m getting periods of functionality right now, but it’s still coming up a bit.
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how i try to get on one of these stories, have to refresh it 5 times, and the refreshing wipes out the marking on the new comments!
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hmm, interesting. i did recently update to the newest version of Firefox…..
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Good hands—what about the feet?
Definitely seems to have decent hands, but he doesn’t look as fluid a skater as Oreo. I assume he’s fast enough, but the Canucks really showed team-wide foot speed last year.
So I'm at the game
in San Jose last Thursday. I’m sitting behind the Canucks bench on the end (third row from ice but on the glass of the bench). As a bigtime fan it was pretty sweet…. Anyways, lots to watch when your that close. Now midway through the game Lapierre and Oreo come off the ice together and sit right in front of me. Lappy turns to Oreo and says something to the effect of “Cut that out. We don’t need to see that ^#1% out there”. Perhaps I misunderstood or misheard or misread lips but it strikes me as an odd thing in retrospect.
You know it’s a bad sign when Lappy is the voice of reason between the two.
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by Yankee Canuck on Oct 5, 2011 9:18 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah. That’s odd. I wonder what he was referring to?
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
My feeling was
that it was more about his attitude rather than a particular poor play. It was really weird. It seemed like Oreo was mad about not scoring/hitting or something and was sulking. At the time I just though Lappy contributed more than I realized.
I know players talk in platitudes all the time
but I was kind of surprised at his lukewarm, “meh” response to questions from the media on how AV saw him.
He did leave hockey once because he was upset at his progress…maybe the team saw something in that and just wanted a hungrier player?
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