Canucks Trade Samuelsson And Sturm To Panthers For Booth(!) And Reinprecht
by Sean Zandberg on Oct 22, 2011 5:50 PM PDT
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Vancouver Canucks President & General Manager Mike Gillis announced today that the Canucks have acquired left wing David Booth, centre Steve Reinprecht and a third round draft pick in 2013 from the Florida Panthers in exchange for Mikael Samuelsson and Marco Sturm.
OK, so...is Florida GM Dale Tallon crazy? This is a huge upgrade for the Canucks at first glance.
Mikael Samuelsson was reported 100% healthy at training camp after undergoing surgery to repair his adductor tendon and sports hernia. But missed the last couple of games with what was reported as stomach issues reported as aggravated issues from the surgery. A healthy Samuelsson can score 25-30 goals. Not sure what Sammy the Panthers are getting. Marco Sturm was a free agent signing gamble by Mike Gillis that was a failure. He's a gamble for the Panthers!
26 year-old left winger David Booth has been rumored to be Vancouver-bound before. Now it is a reality. Born in Detroit Michigan, he is listed as 6 feet tall and 212 pounds. Right off the bat you think:
Ryan Kesler, another Michigan native. Wild fact: both Kesler and Booth played on the U.S. Junior National Team in 2001-02. Connections. Also: Kesler, Booth, and Chris Higgins all played together for Team USA at the 2004 World Juniors. There's your new All-American second line in Vancouver.
Booth has only 1 assist and was a -6 in 6 games with the Panthers this season. Scored 23 goals and 40 points (and a ghastly -36) in 82 games last season after missing most of the 2009-10 campaign with TWO concussions. Remember what happened to cause the first concussion?
Ouch.
The second concussion came after a clean hit from Montreal's Jaroslav Spacek. (See that hit here). Booth's breakout season happened in 2008-09, as you can see below:
Let's hope he finds that kind of form on Line 2!
A Booth Hatty:
A Boothian Spinorama:
On to Steve Reinprecht. Born May 27, 1976. Born in Edmonton Alberta. Steve had the beautiful luxury of playing for a stacked Colorado Avalanche squad from 2000-2003 and winning a Stanley Cup with them (2001). He was never drafted. He was signed as a free agent by the Kings in 2000. Vancouver is the 6th NHL team he has played for. Twice he has gone to play in Europe. Last season he went unclaimed on waivers (while with Florida) and was loaned to the German team, the Mannheim Eagles. His career stats:
So, I wonder what the flaws in his game were to get cut by the lowly Panthers in the first place. He hasn't played an NHL game this season yet. He has been with the AHL's San Antonio Rampage. He is a noted 2-way player and mostly plays center position. I know for a fact that he has a wicked backhander.
How about watching a Reinprecht hatty?
I see a trend there: Net Presence! Let's see some of that here, Stevie!
Hey wait....did the Canucks just trade away 2 Europeans in exchange for 2 North Americans? Does Mike Gillis have Sportsnet.ca in his bookmarks?
SALARY CAP IMPLICATIONS
Capgeek.com already has the Canucks' cap spending in place. Wow. Booth is making $4.25 million per until 2015. I believe this complicates matters when Mason Raymond comes back but, that may not be for a long time. Also, Reinprecht is a $2.05 million cap hit if he plays on the Canucks' roster. So he's most likely heading to the Wolves for now.
The other dilemma now is Cody Hodgson. Booth claims Hodgson's spot on Line 2 would be the assumption. Is Hodgson heading to line 3? On his way to the minors? We will soon know.
CHRIS HIGGINS ON BOOTH ADDITION
"I played with him in Florida a bit and he kind of reminds me of Kes with the way he can skate and how powerful he is. I think he’ll be a great addition to the team because he’s a powerful, powerful skater and has a real strong body. He wins a lot of battles and has phenomenal speed with a great wrist shot. I think he’ll find his role on this team pretty quickly."
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GMMG has something to hold over Tallon I think.. either that or he’s an evil sorcerer.
I prefer to believe the latter.
To take Reinprecht?
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by Vancouverguy on Oct 22, 2011 5:43 PM PDT up reply actions
At first glance I love this too
Booth is only 26. Hope his play picks back up again, which I have to think it will
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
"Concussion magnet" is an odd phrase
Once you’ve had one, you’re significantly more susceptible for another. Not really Booth’s fault that Mike Richards decided to go headhunting. But yes, he will be an injury risk for the rest of his career.
That aspect is over
exaggerated though. Everyone is susceptible to a concussion if they get hit in the head. He’s had one. Hamhuis has had 75. It’s always going to be there for all players.
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by Section 312 on Oct 22, 2011 10:18 PM PDT up reply actions
The problem was that he shouldn’t have come back when he did. He rushed back as soon as the symptoms were gone, even though he wasn’t really in game shape. IIRC Nathan Horton had a broken leg at the time and Booth really wanted to come back and help the team and he just wasn’t ready. He should have sat out that whole season, trained in the summer and then been ready for training camp. He came back too early, got hurt again and wasn’t ready to go again last year because of it.
It’s always going to be a risk, but I don’t think it should be as much of a concern as people make it. I think he just wasn’t working out with the new coaching staff and direction of the team.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Oct 22, 2011 5:09 PM PDT reply actions
Sooo
A $4.5 mill winger and yet another centre…. With rumours of flipping them for yet another center…. Reinprecht isnt staying.
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He’ll be in the AHL
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
I think he’s playing in Germany according to NHL.com. I doubt he’ll see any playtime with the big club.
That was last year. The Panthers waived him in December and loaned him to a German club rather than send him to the AHL. This year they waived him and sent him to the AHL.
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Also
If Booth is the winger for Kesler, that means we need to find yet another Michigan born winger for the other side. Booth being from Detroit.
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haha Higgy is from New York City
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Oct 22, 2011 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Hahaha another center?
Helicopter line for reals? “we don’t need no stinking wings.”
Team Canada
at the Olympics proved that good centers can easily adapt into very good wingers.
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by Section 312 on Oct 22, 2011 5:25 PM PDT up reply actions
I don’t think Steve Reinprecht is a good center though
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
He’s not playing for the Canucks anyway. If he couldn’t start the season with the big club in Florida I don’t think he has any hope of cracking this lineup.
by Canuckelhead on Oct 22, 2011 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions
I wasn’t complaining. Just amused that the solution to solving the helicopter line conudrum was to field a line of 3 helicopters.
Isn’t Booth a wing?
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by Vancouverguy on Oct 22, 2011 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah
Are people thinking he’s a C? Weiss is the C
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Sorry it is my bugaboo
and nothing to do with you guys. But I hate the word “wing”. It’s winger. The wing is WHERE he players. They are pitchers because they pitch. You wouldn’t say Clayton Kershaw is a good pitch. Luongo is a bad goaltend. Or Tony La Russa is an epic D bag but a good manage.
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by Section 312 on Oct 22, 2011 10:20 PM PDT up reply actions
It's an old English
word for a sports field.
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by Section 312 on Oct 22, 2011 10:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Hah. Noted. I’m mixing up my sports analogies. I’d call my soccer player wings.
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by Vancouverguy on Oct 23, 2011 12:34 AM PDT up reply actions
And I realize it’s kinda the same deal, but its more ambiguous because you call them left back and right backs.
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by Vancouverguy on Oct 23, 2011 12:35 AM PDT up reply actions
Forwards
Dank-Hank-Alex Motherfucking Burrows
Booth-Kes-Higgy
Jank-Money-Franchise/Ebbett
Weise-Lappy-Voltron
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Oct 22, 2011 5:20 PM PDT reply actions
I wouldn’t hesitate to put Hodgson with Kes and Booth either. Just load that line up.
Jank – Money – Higgy would still be awesome.
Weise-Lappy – Ebbett/Voltron would be satisfactory.
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by Vancouverguy on Oct 22, 2011 5:25 PM PDT up reply actions
That's what I think too
I think it’s pretty clear it’s second line or nothing for Hodgson and he’s looked good.
by Canuckelhead on Oct 22, 2011 5:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Didn’t play much on the 2nd line tonight after about half way through the 2nd
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The way Higgins has played, he’s deserved his spot on Kes’s wing. I have no clue about the game this afternoon, but he was playing with Kes on Thurs.
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by Vancouverguy on Oct 22, 2011 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions
I missed all but the third of todays game. So you think they’ll really play Hodgson on the third line?
by Canuckelhead on Oct 22, 2011 5:29 PM PDT up reply actions
I’d hope not. I think Gillis and AV have both been reluctant to do so on a long-term basis.
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by Vancouverguy on Oct 22, 2011 5:31 PM PDT up reply actions
I have no clue
It’s AV. Who knows what he’ll do. But he didn’t play Cody on the 3rd line at all when he got bumped from the 2nd. He just got benched and Hansen moved up and Ebbett went to Line 3
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Ahh yes
the zero tolerance for Hodgson clause. So I guess we can expect him to be in a pressbox near you soon? Or is he off to the windy city?
by Canuckelhead on Oct 22, 2011 5:35 PM PDT up reply actions
His play’s been fairly decent. I would scratch my head if he gets sent back to Chicago.
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by Vancouverguy on Oct 22, 2011 5:37 PM PDT up reply actions
He didn’t have a great game tonight, but benching guys after one bad game when they’ve been great before is really dumb, in my opinion.
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Especially
When that guy is still trying to find his way. He can’t be thrilled with the trade.
by Canuckelhead on Oct 22, 2011 5:41 PM PDT up reply actions
I thought
I heard someone from the Canucks say it doesn’t make sense to have Hodgson on the third or fourth line
by Canuckelhead on Oct 22, 2011 5:39 PM PDT up reply actions
I just don’t get what Tallon’s doing here. Like, sure, I can see where getting out from under a 4-year $18-million commitment is good, but…is there nobody who’d have given him picks for Booth?
ding ding ding
the 3rd round pick is for services rendered, and the Canucks get s younger guy with definite upside in Booth.
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He needed to get a ton of money off the books. Reinprecht is in the minors costing florida owners $$$.
this trade, including getting out from under reinprecht, saves the panthers like ~1.75m for the rest of the year. and say adding two nhlers allows them to trade, like, matt bradley for a late pick; the savings are up to ~2.7m. and it costs them a 3rd-round pick.
whereas if Tallon could have traded Booth alone for like a 2nd (and I’ve got to think he could have? Maybe I’m just totally overestimating the market for David Booth?), it would have saved ~4m. a scrap-heap replacement could be had for 0.5m, for a savings of like ~3.5m.
so….3.5m+whateverpickyougetforbooth or 2.7m+whateverpickyougetforbradley-3rd
by Passive Voice on Oct 22, 2011 5:53 PM PDT up reply actions
now admittedly in the second scenario—with Sturm and Sam in the lineup instead of bradley(or whoever) and an AHLer—Florida’s a better hockey team. but they still pretty much suck either way.
by Passive Voice on Oct 22, 2011 5:56 PM PDT up reply actions
It all hangs on Booth
the Canucks obviously think we are getting the “pre concussion” Booth
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sorry, i’m just talking about from florida’s perspective.
by Passive Voice on Oct 22, 2011 6:08 PM PDT up reply actions
I think Booth will be fine health wise however.. He’s a big defense liability
by Rob PKane McMahon on Oct 23, 2011 2:03 AM PDT up reply actions
Not for long he isn’t
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by Sean Zandberg on Oct 23, 2011 2:05 AM PDT up reply actions
Playing with talent is a big difference I think. And it helps that he’s already familiar with Kesler. Should be a very different story.
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Yeah but you also have to remember he now has Luongo behind him.. ;)
by Rob PKane McMahon on Oct 23, 2011 2:14 AM PDT up reply actions
pffffffffffffffffffffffftttttttttttttt
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by Sean Zandberg on Oct 23, 2011 2:18 AM PDT up reply actions
Ha!
Good One. The thing here is ( and I don’t know about Dineen ), but you play the 200’ game or your ice time gets reduced.
Carrot and Stick. He wants to play with his bud from old USA and minor hockey elite teams. I think he’ll be OK
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expect to see him start out slow though.. he didnt even want to talk to media when the trade was announced tallon was quoted in saying he’s sad about it.. guy loved it here
by Rob PKane McMahon on Oct 23, 2011 2:23 AM PDT up reply actions
He was a big piece
its not about the love or hate. Of course he loved it there…
By the time he lands I am sure you will hear all sorts of quotes from him about how “excited I am to play with my old buddy Kesler” and such, you know?
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Booths not the kind of guy to not talk to media unless he was actually upset though
by Rob PKane McMahon on Oct 23, 2011 2:40 AM PDT up reply actions
Well, he’s coming to one the best cities in the world and a hockey market.
That’s going to be awesome and tough.
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He's going to get a chance to play
with one of his old buddies on a team with a legitimate chance to win a Stanley Cup. Most players are bummed at first when they get traded. He wouldn’t have signed that contract if he didn’t like it in Florida. But liking Florida and being bummed you got traded does not necessarily equal being unhappy about where you are going.
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by Section 312 on Oct 23, 2011 7:54 AM PDT up reply actions
Great trade!
Two players on the decline for a guy who might be ready for a renaissance and a spare part? Woo! and the obsession with American collegiate players continues.
salary dump for FLA
not a horrible trade for them but was there really nothing better to get out of Booth? Not that I’m complaining though
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trade?
I prefer to think of this as a call up from our minor league affiliate
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Well played
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Oct 22, 2011 5:55 PM PDT up reply actions
turning green
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Depth runs down to the farm team. Reinprecht is a C
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by Sean Zandberg on Oct 22, 2011 6:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Loving this trade
but is anyone else wondering what happens when Raymond comes back now? Hodgson is running out of time to make the team I think
Hodgson
is looking a lot better than Raymond IMO. Hes getting way more chances than Raymond used to. When a few bounces start going his way, he’s going to start loading up on points.
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so I guess
its looking bad for Raymond.
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Might have to fit into the third line role/PK er… or Higgins goes back down to the third.
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by Vancouverguy on Oct 22, 2011 5:35 PM PDT up reply actions
What the hell am I saying.. that doesn’t make sense. Someone gets traded I guess?
Or a repeat of having someone getting injured, then the next guy comes back.. just like last season.
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by Vancouverguy on Oct 22, 2011 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions
The nice thing about Raymond
is that he can slot in on the wing in any of the top three lines and contribute meaningfully. I think you’re right about injuries opening up positions in the lineup.
Yeah but
AV hates him so that doesn’t really help his case
I think it's probably more accurate
To say AV hates his lack of foot speed. Seems like that would make sense.
by Canuckelhead on Oct 22, 2011 5:37 PM PDT up reply actions
I don’t get it though. He’s not the fleetest of foot, but he’s been pretty strong on the puck and has made a lot of power moves towards the net to shake guys.
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I don't get it either
I’m just trying to find a reason because Hodgson has an incredibly short leash and AV is not like that with all players.
by Canuckelhead on Oct 22, 2011 5:40 PM PDT up reply actions
CoHo Stats over 7 games
G1 A1 +/-0 ATOI:14:43 SOG:18 Hits:2 Blks:3
Pro Rated that could be 30 – 40 points. Booth
If that was his opportunity to be Kesler’s stand in on the second line….
Kesler comes back cold and gets 2 goals in 3 games.
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I will miss Samuelsson a bit though
Especially because he always picked up his play in the playoffs. But he’s showig his age now
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This trade is so fucking awesome. Someone has to teach Booth what the playoffs are though.
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Maybe Ballard can
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by Semi_Colon on Oct 22, 2011 5:40 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Injuries happen every year
Hodgson is the back for that situation. Too bad he might not get the time he needs to develop. Although they may be trying to use the Kesler roadmap for him, checker first then offense next year. Who fucking knows with AV.
Kesler > Sturm
I know we just changed it, but
that or “Cody Hodgson Controversies” might make for fun site tag-line. :P
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by Sean Zandberg on Oct 22, 2011 5:54 PM PDT up reply actions
The worry I have is that Booth will be a defensive floater
just like Sammy. Booth’s +/- from last year are abysmal.
Kesler > Sturm
The +/- could be a bit deceiving. I doubt there were many players who were a plus who played on that team last year.
He was almost double as bad as the next guy though. Hopefully a change in scenery and playing with Kesler will help
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Both
they’ll be the Sedins 2.0
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Oct 22, 2011 5:57 PM PDT up reply actions
NEVER
just got back from the liquor store so Im reloaded.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Oct 22, 2011 6:01 PM PDT up reply actions
I argue that if there’s a coach who can stop his floating ways… It’ll be AV. With CoHo with an eye on his spot, that might just be enough for Booth to shape up.
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by Vancouverguy on Oct 22, 2011 5:59 PM PDT up reply actions
yep
smart in that respect. If Booth is coming in with any rep as a floater, it will be beaten out of him by AV, and the carrot of having Kesler as his guy. I mean, they played together in minor hockey!
The guy did have 31 goals in 08/09, 87 in his career, and 167 points overall.
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the Canucks know Booth’s abilities before they even got him.
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by Sean Zandberg on Oct 22, 2011 6:18 PM PDT up reply actions
wait wait wait...
we GOT a draft pick out of this?! wow.
yeah man
Tallon got mindfucked by Gillis.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Oct 22, 2011 6:03 PM PDT up reply actions
So Florida fans are pretty convinced Booth blows now. To which I say: Meh
Isn't that how it always works?
Immediately after a guy is traded he sucks?
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
In other news
Washington may just never lose a game again
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
Amazing what a little Vokoun
can do.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Oct 22, 2011 6:19 PM PDT up reply actions
We may as well just make it about CoHo
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by Sean Zandberg on Oct 22, 2011 6:20 PM PDT up reply actions
You could start one for Rome
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by Sean Zandberg on Oct 22, 2011 6:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Gillis to Tallon:
“These are the Europeans you are looking for”
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by kesrows on Oct 22, 2011 6:25 PM PDT reply actions 4 recs
By the way Sean
Booth on the 3rd line on the depth chart, huh?
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bah! I changed that prolly while you typed that :)
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by Sean Zandberg on Oct 22, 2011 9:11 PM PDT up reply actions
HOLY FUCKING SHIT
WHAT A GOAL BY GRABBO
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Oct 22, 2011 6:49 PM PDT reply actions
I don't even remotely like the Leafs
but good lord that goal was fucking FILTHY.
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AND
BEST-RANKED CANADIAN TEAM.
/Fme
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will have them Top 5 in the next Power Rankings right?
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haha
if that were realistic then Canada would simply sink into the Pacific and Atlantic Oceans like Atlantis.
I still say 10th place EC finish for them.
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best part in all this is gillis isn’t afraid to make moves now and own up to some mistakes. make me feel much more comfortable heading out of the first month of the season.
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1) Hodgson stays up, moves over. He’s still not very good at faceoffs, but I do like the look of Beaker/Money/Kid. He’s (finally) earned his time up here. I think he was brought along correctly to reach this point, and he deserves to stay;
2) Rhino stays down. No money, better options in Vancouver. Don’t get me wrong, I like him, but…;
3) Sammy’s “tightness” was a far more important case of not getting injured hours before a trade was announced;
4) Total steal for Vancouver.
Money is about the same (actually 500k less), and there’s a 3rd pick in as well? Wow. Booth is a power player, though he needs a little more ice-smarts (keep yer frikkin head up, boyo!) Florida gets a couple of proven scorers, but one with much reduced speed and the other who is streaky as hell. On the other hand, both are on expiring contracts, and such things are important to a “blowing up/starting over” team that the Panthers is.
“Money” in this case being cap space, naturally.
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by Sean Zandberg on Oct 22, 2011 9:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Just a note on how this relates to Mason Raymond
The people saying Hodgson looks better than Raymond now, and Raymond is expendable, should be traded, or given a small role…
I completely disagree. I know Canucks fans love Hodgson, and with good reason—he has potential, but hes not a good second line player yet. If the Canucks meet the Sharks again in the playoffs, their second line is Havlat, Couture, and Clowe. Hodgson is not on that level, or even close, and I dont think anyone would argue that.
Raymond, even when not producing a ton, is a great territorial player. He gains the zone for you on offense with ease, and if the puck turns it over, he backchecks faster than anyone and gets it back for you, and then brings it back to offense. Hes just better than Hodgson right now, at least he was before injury. This whole post is talking about Raymond once he gets back to 100%.
But most importantly, i dont think Hodgson vs Raymond is the point. The whole point of trading for Booth is that the Canucks needed more forward depth. Having fans question where to fit everyone on the top 2 lines is precisely the point. There should be too many good players to fit. Thats a good thing. Trading away Raymond would defeat the whole purpose of acquiring Booth. And remember Gillis didnt get Booth for free, he gave up Samuelsson, so if you lose Samuelsson and Raymond to add Booth, youre not helping the depth, youre hurting it.
So this team needs Raymond and Booth. Think about it. The wings on the top three lines will be Daniel, Burrows, Raymond, Booth, Higgins, and Hansen. The only one of them who doesnt have upper echelon speed is Daniel, and I think he can be forgiven for that. No other team in the NHL has that much speed at wing, period. What Gillis is doing is loading up on his strength, and its going to afford the Canucks one huge advantage over basically anyone they play. Theyre still going to be at a disadvantage in terms of power forwards, so adding one of them could still be helpful, but anyway.
Raymond is still very important. The depth is important. Better to have Hodgson or even Higgins as great 3rd liners than 2nd liners who arent as good as the other team’s second liners in the playoffs.
by jacktheboxboss on Oct 22, 2011 10:00 PM PDT reply actions
The Canucks can’t afford Raymond if he returns. Unless it’s in the playoffs.
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by Sean Zandberg on Oct 22, 2011 10:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Dont understand that
No one said anything about not being able to afford him when he came back before this trade, and they freed up cap space with this trade, so…? If they could afford him before, cant they now?
by jacktheboxboss on Oct 22, 2011 10:08 PM PDT up reply actions
have you been to capgeek lately?
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by Sean Zandberg on Oct 22, 2011 10:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Just because nobody didn’t say anything doesn’t mean the problem wasn’t going to exist. It’s just that MayRay is not even close to returning
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by Sean Zandberg on Oct 22, 2011 10:15 PM PDT up reply actions
I was just looking – are we sure we can’t fit Raymond in? He’s cap hit is included in capgeek’s calculations (he’s not actually on LTIR right now)
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FORWARDS
Daniel Sedin ($6.100m) / Henrik Sedin ($6.100m) / Alexandre Burrows ($2.000m)
David Booth ($4.250m) / Ryan Kesler ($5.000m) / Mason Raymond ($2.550m)
Chris Higgins ($1.900m) / Manny Malhotra ($2.500m) / Cody Hodgson ($1.666m)
Steve Pinizzotto ($0.600m) / Maxim Lapierre ($1.000m) / Jannik Hansen ($1.350m)
/ Andrew Ebbett ($0.525m) / Dale Weise ($0.605m)
DEFENSEMEN
Kevin Bieksa ($4.600m) / Dan Hamhuis ($4.500m)
Keith Ballard ($4.200m) / Alexander Edler ($3.250m)
Andrew Alberts ($1.225m) / Sami Salo ($2.000m)
Chris Tanev ($0.900m) / Aaron Rome ($0.750m)
GOALTENDERS
Roberto Luongo ($5.333m) / Cory Schneider ($0.900m)
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SALARY CAP: $64,285,000; CAP PAYROLL: $63,804,999; BONUSES: $850,000
CAP SPACE (24-man roster): $480,001
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Why wouldn’t MayRay be on LTIR? That makes no sense. He’s not due back until Xmas or maybe later.
Sulzer is still counting against the cap I’m sure.
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by Sean Zandberg on Oct 23, 2011 12:39 AM PDT up reply actions
Its a bit of a dance with the LTIR. It only works to its max
when you are at the max. Lets you go over when you are there already.
Its all part of Lawrence “Yoda” Gilman’s plan. Trust the master.
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Odd… I thought Raymond and Rome were both on the LTIR. And Pinizzotto? How is he up?
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I just threw that together
To show a possible roster that would fit under the cap later in the year.
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Even if Raymond comes back and they are able to fit him under the cap (which they can’t do right now), there’s also the question of if he’s even able to play at the same level. Maybe after a full season with the team Cody will be able to handle it.
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I certainly see your point, and agree with the need for depth. There would be a question of what would be coming back in a Raymond trade, of course, but outside that it’s also a matter of performing.
Was his 25-goal season an aberration or the standard? Don’t get me wrong: 40-point players are valuable, but will he be able to do that after this rather horrendous injury? That also drops his trading value through the floor until he gets a couple dozen games in, and speculation… well, that’s what’s fun about talking sports!
Personally, I still love that Triple-H line. Bit of a shame Malhotra has to be such a good centre.
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by The Stanchion on Oct 23, 2011 1:59 AM PDT up reply actions
Ughhhhhhhhhhhh I remember
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by Sean Zandberg on Oct 23, 2011 7:24 PM PDT up reply actions
LOVE this deal, Dale Tallon probably should be added to the Nucks Miscondt christmas card list.
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I like the looks of them apples.
I think they’ll leave Higgins on line 2 but who knows.
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by Sean Zandberg on Oct 23, 2011 12:42 AM PDT up reply actions
Higgins has the ability/game to play either a top 6 or bottom 6 role.
Hodgson does not, he’s top 6 or bust.
yeah, I agree. But Hodgson can develop into a checker though. Burrows did it. Kesler did it. Is it fair to assume that Hodgson cannot?
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by Sean Zandberg on Oct 23, 2011 12:53 AM PDT up reply actions
Burrows and Kesler both came from checking roles (though Burr was more agitator than checker) rather than the other way around. Personally, I’m fine with Hodgson on the third with Beaker and Mo. Or with Higgins and Mo, for that matter.
It’s the guy’s first full season: let him earn the time he gets. One of his best features is his ability to think the game, and I have every confidence he’ll learn whatever job he’s given with the Canucks.
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You do not develop the 10th overall pick into a checking bottom 6 forward.
“Franchise” hits RFA at the end of the 2012-13 season, GMMG et al need to decide if a) they want to re-up with him and for how much or b) do they have an asset with trade value.
They won’t get a legit answer if they continually roll him out with Money and Beaker. I like those two dudes as much as the next NMer, but they are the definition of bottom six NHL forwards.
Put him with Booth and Kes and leave him there. If he turns into a 45-60 point NHLer, yay us.
Yeah… “IF”. He doesn’t belong anywhere. He belongs at the spot he earns and right now he has not earned a top 6 spot
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by Sean Zandberg on Oct 23, 2011 1:42 AM PDT up reply actions
I think he has looked pretty good on the second line so far this year, why AV rooted him to the bench this afternoon is beyond me. Nine fucking minutes today.
I thought he could have handled more in the playoff run this past summer. Adding another skill player to the mix in the Finals when we were having trouble scoring, what a crazy concept.
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no way, man. Hodgson looked absolutely sloppy in the offensive zone today. It was quite obvious. Even Ian Mac noticed it
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by Sean Zandberg on Oct 23, 2011 1:54 AM PDT up reply actions
And he wasn’t the only slug out there
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by Sean Zandberg on Oct 23, 2011 1:59 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, I hear ya. But how many games are you talking here? The top 6 has to produce for us to win, so if Hodg isn’t getting it done and we are losing, then he is on a short leash.
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by Sean Zandberg on Oct 23, 2011 2:00 AM PDT up reply actions
As many as it takes. Cody is a skill player, he needs to play with other skill players.
AV needs to put his assets in a position to succeed.
I don’t agree. See if this was a rebuilding team then it’s a Grabner story. But the Canucks are the exact opposite. If the 2nd line isn’t clicking and Hodgson is the weak link, AND the team is having trouble scoring…DOWN HE GOES
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by Sean Zandberg on Oct 23, 2011 2:08 AM PDT up reply actions
i'm with zandberg here
even if he is a stinking leafs fan. Hodgson has not overly impressed me thus far, not just his play, but the guy is one morose kid. I’m all for developing him into the next kesler, but let him learn and earn his role, don’t just shove a silver spoon up his ass and put him in because he was ‘a first round pick’. He’ll be fine, and let’s face it…if we were better coaches/gm’s than AV/MG, we would be doing the job.
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by Twitchy2010 on Oct 23, 2011 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions
i thought that was more the fact that Hansen was flying
he made that 2nd line better than Franchise when AV shortened the bench in a close game. I kinda got that. I dont think its an indictment of Cody’s play overall or anything
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well yes it was because Hansen out played Hodgson and took his spot away in the top 6
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by Sean Zandberg on Oct 23, 2011 2:03 AM PDT up reply actions
that game
I don’t know about after the trade, but I can see Money and Cody trading the centre ( Money taking all the important draws ) with Hansen as a pretty kick ass 3rd line that might just score a little.
moving two for one roster player reduces the forward log jam a bit too…but I think Cody is still in the Top 9 and the 2nd PP centre.
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You develop
your players into whatever role you need them for and you think they can handle. Regardless of where he got picked.
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by Section 312 on Oct 23, 2011 7:56 AM PDT up reply actions
AHAHAHA
Nice. What are you still doing up? I’m playing Tiger Woods 09
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by Sean Zandberg on Oct 23, 2011 2:01 AM PDT up reply actions
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Oct 23, 2011 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions
RWC final is sweeeeeeeeeet.
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brutal game huh?
The hits these guys take make NFLers look like wimps with all those pads.
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Indeed it is. But what a great match.
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no way I want France to win this bad boy.
Its the power in the Blacks game versus the guile and speed of France though…very entertaining.
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I’d love France to win it. They’re a great team and the underdogs in such a hostile environment.
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NZ takes it.
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well deserved
they missed 3 kicks that would have made it a two score game.
France impressed me with how tough they were though. Great game.
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Florida fan checking in...
Any info you can give me on Samuelsson? He played a few games for Florida in the past but ended up with Detroit the next season..
Overall I think this is an even trade for both sides btw.. Booth was NOT producing and it was a big roster shakeup on Tallons part, he was also looking for a new home for reinprecht opposed to just buying him out and cutting all ties with him and the hockey world. Which Reinprecht deserved because he does have some skill and hes a great guy with good experience.. Back to Booth though, on top of not producing he’s been a terrible defensive liability going -31 last season and already starting out -6 this season.. now some people will sit here and blab about how terrible florida is etc but honestly our defense and goaltending has been decent this year as well as the past with vokoun the issue was goal scoring… now if Booth was so valuable when it comes to offensive numbers you’d think the number would be a bit better but it just shows that overall he would become careless in his own zone. I hope he does well in Vancouver but it’s a big question mark on whether he will or not, if anything playing on the top 2 lines will be the difference in his game but then again the twins could make george parros look good offensively so only time will tell..
PS thanks for not giving us Luongo back in this deal ;)
by Rob PKane McMahon on Oct 23, 2011 2:10 AM PDT reply actions
PS thanks for not giving us Luongo back in this deal ;)
BOOOOOO!!! heh
Samuelsson..versatile and enigmatic. The best we saw of him was after he was not invited to be a part of team Sweden at the Olympics. He told them to go fuck themselves and then went on a huge tear with the Canucks. After that tear was over he has been half the man he used to be. Stomach problems are a part of that but even so…he has the tools but doesn’t always use them. However, if you get motivated Samuelsson he can be a great asset to your top 6 forwards. Plus he can play a 2 way game.
Interesting about Booth, but I don’t rely heavily on +/- stats. Those can be team stats, and Florida has sucked for how many years now? But the -31…yeesh. No likey. I just think he’ll be better in his own zone HERE
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by Sean Zandberg on Oct 23, 2011 2:17 AM PDT up reply actions
Well as bad as Florida has been over the years if you look at last year when booth was -31 our PK was 7th in the league which means overall defense wasnt too much of an issue for us.. Vokoun was in nets and even though he gives up an occasional soft goal he’s really good, probably top 5 in the league potentially (as you can see from his 6-0 start this season) So for Booth to still go -31 from that is a little bit of a sign.. I mean I like Booth don’t get me wrong, I just was never obsessed with him like a lot of our other fans. Overall I like the trade, if Booth does good then great more power to him but I won’t be surprised if he stays on his current level either.. Look at Horton with Boston last year, he’s more skilled than Booth and everyone thought he’d break out playing for a better team, boy were they sadly mistaken..
Btw kind of sucks this trade didnt happen last year, Booth vs Horton: Battle of the Concussions
by Rob PKane McMahon on Oct 23, 2011 2:22 AM PDT up reply actions
the funny thing is that we have more of a chance of winning this deal than the Panthers do.
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by Sean Zandberg on Oct 23, 2011 2:24 AM PDT up reply actions
Btw the Luongo comment was more for the fact that I would not want to take that contract on knowing we’d be stuck with him until he’s 40.. Jacob Markstrom has looked damn solid in net and when he’s ready to take over full time it’s going to be scary for the NHL
by Rob PKane McMahon on Oct 23, 2011 2:25 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah yeah yeah, post the same graphic 70 games from now and you will change your tune
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by Sean Zandberg on Oct 23, 2011 2:26 AM PDT up reply actions
Ill admit Im slightly biased because Im a florida fan yes but the kid really is the real deal I wouldnt trade him for luongo straight up honestly.
by Rob PKane McMahon on Oct 23, 2011 2:27 AM PDT up reply actions
Why would the Panthers having
a good goalie be scary for the rest of the league???? You had one in Luongo once and the team was still absolute garbage. And the roster you have now is brutal. You could have God in net and it wouldn’t matter with that collection of crap you ice every night.
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by Section 312 on Oct 23, 2011 8:00 AM PDT up reply actions
Don’t forget Vokoun, during whose time in Florida the Panthers’ most notable accomplishment was failing to get anything for Jay Bouwmeester.
by Passive Voice on Oct 23, 2011 9:12 AM PDT up reply actions
You’re basically looking at an aging guy who isn’t going to give you much. He used to, but he no longer will.
Look forward to funny post game interviews.
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the thing is if he doesnt work out we let him walk as a UFA and it frees up a spot automatically for Huberdeau who’s been tearing up Juniors again this year without having to worry about clearing a spot on one of the top lines for him like we would if we had booth for 3 more yrs
by Rob PKane McMahon on Oct 23, 2011 2:26 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah I don’t really think that’s a way to go about building a winning team though.
At least hunt for picks in exchange for Booth. Why go with two players who almost certainly won’t work out? Get some value. Doesn’t have to be roster players.
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by Sean Zandberg on Oct 23, 2011 2:29 AM PDT up reply actions
doesn’t mean we can’t trade them at the deadline for some picks, just depends on how the season pans out
by Rob PKane McMahon on Oct 23, 2011 2:31 AM PDT up reply actions
yeah but we’re talking about value though. Well I guess we are also differing in opinions of value. I say you just lost value
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by Sean Zandberg on Oct 23, 2011 2:33 AM PDT up reply actions
This basically. Trading a locked up Booth (with potential for high point totals) for picks and trading half a season of Sturm and Samuelsson for picks are very different things.
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In summary: unless there’s another Dale Tallon around I don’t think that’s what people will be giving up for them.
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the thing is, if David Booth turns into a plus player and a 60 point guy for us then you lost out on the deal
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by Sean Zandberg on Oct 23, 2011 2:28 AM PDT up reply actions
if he turns into a 60pt guy then great because he deserves it.. but I see no reason why combined sturm and samuelsson cant net 30 or more combined and 60+ pts which if thats the case then it’s a wash for both teams because the panthers gained more depth
by Rob PKane McMahon on Oct 23, 2011 2:29 AM PDT up reply actions
and I say you will not get that from them, with Sturm being the kicker. Sturm looks done
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by Sean Zandberg on Oct 23, 2011 2:30 AM PDT up reply actions
he didn’t look good at anything
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by Sean Zandberg on Oct 23, 2011 2:32 AM PDT up reply actions
Could just be that he didnt fit in with the system or his linemates or whatever else.. guess it’s the same for both sides, we had issues with booth and you with sturm only time will tell
by Rob PKane McMahon on Oct 23, 2011 2:33 AM PDT up reply actions
fit in?
You do realize this team won the president’s trophy last year and scored the most goals, right? He even had the sedins on his team, and they make pylons look like jarri kurri
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he looked good
taking ballards spot in the press box
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by Canuckles on Oct 23, 2011 7:55 AM PDT via iPhone app up reply actions
Depends on what your PK is like, but speed and strength on the puck weren’t his strong suits; that’s what I like from my PKers.
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You likely won’t find the points in Sturm that you expect, and I believe Samuelsson is really 50/50 on producing similar numbers without something like top PP time with the Sedins. I think you’re looking at 40 total and declining after that. You’d be better served with picks and good scouting IMO.
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I could be wrong here
but isn’t 60 points out of one player WAY better than 50 or so out of two?
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by Section 312 on Oct 23, 2011 8:02 AM PDT up reply actions
I would say so
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by Semi_Colon on Oct 23, 2011 8:29 AM PDT via iPhone app up reply actions
depends
Are you trying to rationalize a bad deal?
I would like to know what you think of booth section, you tend to be eerily correct on these things
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by Canuckles on Oct 23, 2011 10:19 AM PDT via iPhone app up reply actions
To me Booth is
a medium upgrade on Raymond. Similar skills only generally a better player. The degree to which he is better is up for debate. Anywhere from marginally to vastly depending who you ask. I come down somewhere in the middle. It’s an upgrade on what Kesler had on his wings last year. I think we win the trade now because of Sammy’s age and Sturm’s lack of ability to play NHL hockey. If Booth doesn’t work out he is gone in the summer.
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by Section 312 on Oct 23, 2011 8:49 PM PDT up reply actions
before his NTC kicks in?
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by Sean Zandberg on Oct 23, 2011 8:54 PM PDT up reply actions
doesn't trading before the NTC kick in
kill it outright?
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Unless the Canucks see something they
really like in Booth it would make sense to rid themselves of that contract after this season. I mean I guess it all comes down to how he plays. But if you can get a pick or two for him and free up that cap space to make a run at a UFA it would make sense to do that.
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by Section 312 on Oct 24, 2011 6:15 AM PDT up reply actions
that makes sense
it kinda vindicates my lack of outright enthusiasm. I thought “Oh, this seems good” not “OMG WE FLEECED FLORIDA SO BAD,” as I never remembered Booth to be sooooo awesome, rather a very good winger.
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He certainly
has potential to be a very good player.
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by Section 312 on Oct 24, 2011 6:14 AM PDT up reply actions
+1
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Oct 23, 2011 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions
The plus
For the Cats is the contract freedom. The plus for the Canucks is getting the best player in the deal by far. The added bonus is the guy is a one time youth teammate of one of our best players.
Reinprecht is great teaching pro insurance in the AHL, showing our young guys how it is done ala Mike Keane in Manitoba. Playoff depth. The third was an underrated but important consideration ( its us getting our pick back on the Higgins deal, meaning we now have all our picks come July 1st if offer sheets are a consideration. )
Now, after reading the typical stuff about talking down a guy over at the Litter Box and here, it makes it tough. Of course the fans of the Panthers are going to talk the guy down, and point to the concussions. But thats a red herring as far as players go.
As to plus/minus, a guy that is going on the 1st line, for instance, can pick up a lot of cheap +/- just changing onto the ice when the other team scores on that change. I get the -31. It does not scare me.
I am very confident in the ability of AV to get this guy playing the system well. He will be motivated, and playing with familiar linemates ( played with both Higgins and Kesler in WJC in 2004 I think. )
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Booth did have a lot of upside dont get me wrong, he’s a strong competitive player, first at the arena.. first on the ice during warmups last off the ice that sort of thing.. guys just had a string of bad luck and everything else..
concussions I dont think will be an issue, he played all 82 last season and scored 23g on a horrible team.. but then again it might have just been because he was maxed out on potential.. he played with Weiss last yr who was our best center (and yes I realize he’s no Sedin) but the year he scored 31 he was playing with the same guy.. so it kind of makes you question whether or not he had a bad year or just hit his peak
by Rob PKane McMahon on Oct 23, 2011 2:38 AM PDT up reply actions
So who was Booth playing with in 2009 when he scored 31? Cory Stillman?
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by Sean Zandberg on Oct 23, 2011 2:40 AM PDT up reply actions
he was playing with weiss, same as he did last season
by Rob PKane McMahon on Oct 23, 2011 2:41 AM PDT up reply actions
Weiss and who?
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by Sean Zandberg on Oct 23, 2011 2:41 AM PDT up reply actions
possibly Horton, who was nothing but lazy in his time here
by Rob PKane McMahon on Oct 23, 2011 2:42 AM PDT up reply actions
Hey Rob, I appreciate your inputs here. And I take your thoughts and opinions to heart. If we see what you are saying then it will all register in our brains you know? “Another Booth turnover. Fuck! That Rob guy was right about him!”
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by Sean Zandberg on Oct 23, 2011 2:45 AM PDT up reply actions
It’s not like it happened every shift or anything like that but it happened enough to make you question his defensive skills..
as far as the laziness that’s directed towards Horton, Booths former linemate..
Im not canuck fan but during the finals I became a Rome fan, lets put it that way
by Rob PKane McMahon on Oct 23, 2011 2:47 AM PDT up reply actions
I smiled when Game 3 was being replayed during the summer and I turned it on exactly 30 sec before the hit happened.. the lord looked down and was smiling upon me at that moment
by Rob PKane McMahon on Oct 23, 2011 2:49 AM PDT up reply actions
that much hate for him, hey?
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by Sean Zandberg on Oct 23, 2011 2:50 AM PDT up reply actions
If you had him on your team for 7-8 seasons and night after night saw him slowly skating around in the defensive zone without a care.. firing pucks over wide open nets several times a night every single night you’d start to dislike him greatly as well.. Florida legit should have put a lazyboy at the end of the bench for him. Guy would skate back to the bench after a shift slowly costing us too many men penalties on several occasions, just didnt care
by Rob PKane McMahon on Oct 23, 2011 2:52 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeesh. Yeah players don’t get away with that here.
Hey Rob where are you located?
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by Sean Zandberg on Oct 23, 2011 2:53 AM PDT up reply actions
Miami, original home of the Panthers til they moved to the everglade border.. lol
by Rob PKane McMahon on Oct 23, 2011 2:54 AM PDT up reply actions
wow! What the hell are you doing awake at this hour?
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by Sean Zandberg on Oct 23, 2011 2:55 AM PDT up reply actions
Made the mistake of taking a nap before the game tonight so been wide awake and wired since the game ended.
by Rob PKane McMahon on Oct 23, 2011 2:57 AM PDT up reply actions
yeah, I crashed from 7-8:30 tonight and am wired too. But it’s only 3 AM here. I live in Northern BC. Once my rum runs out I know I will sleep though!
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by Sean Zandberg on Oct 23, 2011 2:59 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah I cant do the Rum thing to put me out at this time, would just create a horrible day lol.. gonna go check out On the Fly and try to get some sleep..
Thanks for the info and the chat nice to meet some canadians who dont get all hostile and such because im a florida fan (even though Im sure you all believe hockey doesnt belong in the south) lol night!
by Rob PKane McMahon on Oct 23, 2011 3:02 AM PDT up reply actions
I don’t think that way at all. Not really. Tough market though.
And good luck with Sammy and Sturm. Sammy may surprise you and us as well in a Panthers jersey
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by Sean Zandberg on Oct 23, 2011 3:04 AM PDT up reply actions
lol I really don’t understand the whole “hockey doesn’t belong in the south” thing. It’s a great game and everyone should have a chance to be a fan of the game :)
Sure it can be a tough market (which kinda sucks for southern hockey fans) but if someone can afford to run the team and you can get the fans to the game then hockey belongs there ;)
besides, I have always had a soft spot for Florida – I had a cousin that played on the Panthers when they went to the SCF :)
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Dan, what if Booth clicked with the Sedins? Hell he has the size
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by Sean Zandberg on Oct 23, 2011 2:38 AM PDT up reply actions
Booth is the kinda guy who will park in front of the net and get the garbage goals as well as dig in the corners.. so it could work if he was with them gives them room to work
by Rob PKane McMahon on Oct 23, 2011 2:39 AM PDT up reply actions
Until that line has real troubles, I see no reason why this would be considered.
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by Sean Zandberg on Oct 23, 2011 2:41 AM PDT up reply actions
exactly
the GM himself seemed to say that he will at least start on the All American line
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Burrows back with Kesler
Terror Twins and Higgy? Yeah, that would work.
He shoots left. It looks like they did not use him on the PP this year, but he had 8 PP goals last year ( though I am seeing him as a trigger guy for CoHo passes on the 2nd unit PP )
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Why?
Why would you split up the Sedins and Burr? Why? The Sedins best 2-3 season of their career have come in the last 2-3 seasons since Burrows was put on their line. That’s not a coincidence. They used to be point a game players and nothing more. Burrows helped them elevate into elite players in this league. Everyone always says that anyone can play with the Sedins and in a sense that’s true. But not anyone can play with them and be as much a part of what they do well as Burrows. It makes absolutely ZERO sense to break that line up.
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by Section 312 on Oct 23, 2011 8:06 AM PDT up reply actions
Agreed. I’d much rather have the added scoring on the second line so Kesler doesn’t have to carry it himself
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by Semi_Colon on Oct 23, 2011 8:31 AM PDT via iPhone app up reply actions
not at all
agreeing with breaking up that line Section.
I was agreeing that it could work, because all three guys ( Higgy, Terror Twins) are such good workers.
I agree with you 1000000000000000% about the Twins and Burr’. he made them far more dangerous off the rush, when before they were just an excellent line in the other team’s end once they got set up.
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I agree
But it is nice to have a younger power forward to move up if burrows get hurt or a little line shuffling needs to take place to spur something.
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by Canuckles on Oct 23, 2011 11:05 AM PDT via iPhone app up reply actions
dun dun DUN
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by Sean Zandberg on Oct 23, 2011 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions
madness
why would they do that
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Oct 23, 2011 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions
It’ll have to be someone for picks. Some salary still has to go away before the end of the year. I’ll be a bit surprised if it is Hodgson – or any forward – rather than one of the defense. I think Hodgson’s doing well enough to stick in the league (three years isn’t bad, given most players take five before breaking through). That being said, I don’t know if he’s worth all that much until he’s got a full year in the NHL. Huge potential and an entry level contract, but still asking any trade partner to roll dice.
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I really don’t think any salary has to go away before the end of the year. I think they have everyone still counting towards the cap and don’t have anyone on LTIR relief
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Just wanted to swing by and try to coerce some condolences out of you. The Panthers fans are pretty much devastated right now. I was a the Panthers/Islanders game last night and we literally found out about the Booth trade 4 seconds before the national anthem. Fans were shocked, heartbroken, pissed, and confused. I honestly couldn’t even tell you what happened in the first period last night. I was completely distracted by my own pity party.
Congrats on the Booth pickup. He is an amazing player and a classy guy and was without a doubt the heart of the Panther team. I met him a few times and he is nothing but the best. He is a great addition and I hope he finds his mojo again. Treat our Boother well. He deserves it.
Now off to drown my sorrows and mourn the loss of Booooooooooooooooooooth.
to be honest
you’ll probably like samuelsson. All the negative talk above about him, I don’t buy it. I think booth probably has more upside, but samuelsson is a consistent guy who finds an extra gear in big games. He is prone to periods of what optically looks like not giving a shit, but it always seems to be that he was playing hurt after those… His interviews are the bomb and he’s a likeable guy. Sturm however, is a boat anchor. Who knows, maybe florida is what he needs to get his mojo back, but for us over 8 games and pre-season he was invisible.
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by Twitchy2010 on Oct 23, 2011 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions
Well I wouldn’t say Sturm was invisible. He was visibly slower than the rest of the team and it seems like he didn’t know how to one time shots.
And one should bring up if Sammy will find any “big games” in Florida, to his liking….
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by Vancouverguy on Oct 23, 2011 8:28 PM PDT up reply actions
About Booth being a turnover machine
He only had three more giveaways than Kesler did last year, and Kesler is anything but a giveaway machine. His relative on ice/off ice corsi was also 8th best on his team last year(if you take out the guys that played less than 20 games, he’s 5th), in other words more shots were going in the right direction when he was on the ice than off the ice. On that note, he’s a prolific shooter, with 280 shots on goal last season.
Given an adjustment period (maybe 20 games?), I think he’ll fit in pretty well on the second line. He’s exactly what everyone said Kesler needed, a big, fast, aggressive winger with a scoring touch. Combined with Higgins, if the can all stay healthy, the second line is going to be awesome!
Actually I wanted a big winger for the Sedins. Sure the argument is that the top line ain’t broke so don’t fix it…but it was broken in the last 5 games of the Boston series.
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by Sean Zandberg on Oct 23, 2011 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions
it was broken
In that Hank was literally broken
Dude was playing injured all series! If they be healthy, I ain’t concerned, Zan
by Beantown Canuck on Oct 23, 2011 10:36 PM PDT via iPhone app up reply actions
Then what happened in the Nashville series then? Was he killed then too?
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by Sean Zandberg on Oct 24, 2011 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions
on has to
wonder if Gillis either has some very uh interesting pictures of Dave Tallon or spent the summer honing his jedi mind fuck powers.
Not only does Booth have the potential to make our 2nd line better but our 2nd PP unit as well.
I like Samuelsson and I think the Canucks missed his presence after going out in the playoffs last year,but hard to argue against getting some youth.
Happy to see Gillis didn’t stick to his guns on Sturm. Really was not thrilled about the move to pick him up at the time. It’s not like he brought a ton of playoff experience or something to offset his age.
Also now that they've all been
within one game of lifting the cup that leadership and “been there before” that Sammy brought last year is no longer needed.
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by Section 312 on Oct 24, 2011 7:57 AM PDT up reply actions
exactly
I guess the big question is CoHo. Would it really be the worst thing ever to send him to play the #1 Center role on the Wolves? I just don’t see how putting him on the 3rd line at 12-16mins a game and no PP time helps him develop into a top 6 forward compared to 18-20mins and 1st unit PP time on the farm.
Exactly
Booth – CoHo – Higgins on the second unit PP. And Burrows doesn’t get power play time.
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by Section 312 on Oct 24, 2011 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions
I think that's what they are doing
Sounds like Burrows is off the PP, by accounts from practice
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