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Goalie Graveyard

Its as Vancouver as the Steam Clock and the Lions Gate Bridge.  As sure as we love a goaltender in this city who plays for the Vancouver Canucks, we will grow to hate him. Perhaps every one. Let's take a trip down memory lane and see who pops up as the road to our current Goalie We Love To Hate...from the top!

Star-divide

 

70-71 Charlie HodgeGeorge Gardner, Dunc Wilson. Charlie Hodge is now a scout in Vancouver for the Lightning, mainly around his Lower Mainland home. He retired after a 15-13-5 record in 35 GP in his one season here. Retired when he could not reach a deal.   Mr Gardner played 2 forgettable seasons with the Canucks.  6-8-1 in 18 games that first year. It was way better than the 2-14-3 in 24 games the next year!  They were the old guys though.  The first young "goalie of the future" was Wilson. His tale via Wikipedia here. Sued the team over a misdiagnosed mole.

71-72 Dunc Wilson, Ed Dyck, George Gardner .Those teams were not very good. The Canucks played in the East division for a while, and it showed against some of the powerhouses that resided there.  Ed Dyck was a 3rd rounder in '70, so he was the first "home grown goalie"  Got in 12 games that year, and was 1-6-2, with a 3.66 GAA.

72/73 George Gardner, Ed Dyck, Bruce Bullock . Well, Bruce was not the answer. In his 14 games, he was 3-8-3 with a GAA of 4.66!  Ouch. Like I said, bad teams.  We had 22 wins in 78 games ( 22-47-9 ) Hope I am not missing someone here. OOps! Dave McLelland! 1 win, 1 loss, and 5.00 GAA.

73/74 Ed Dyck, Jacques CaronGary "Suitcase" Smith . Lets face it.  The other two were also rans. The first "star" goaltender ( no offense to Hodge and Gardner ) was Suitcase. Bigger than life. After sharing the Vezina with Tony Esposito, he was traded here. His first season, on a team that finished 24-43-11, his record was 20-33-8 ( 20 of his team's 24 wins! ) and a respectable for the times 3.44 GAA and 3 shutouts. His Wiki page here. 

74/75 & 75/76 So, you get the point. Our goaltending sucked for a while, but was only part of a bad team. As hockey has always been. Its not just coachspeak that you "win and lose as a team". Its a trueism. Now that we have gotten to this point, what happens with the highly touted young man. Well, it was the first year in the Smythe division instead of the powerful East. Instead of teams like the Leafs and Habs, we had the Hawks, Blues, North Stars, and Kansas City Scouts.

With Gary Smith playing 72 of 80 games in 74/75 ( and you think AV loves Luongo! ), he had a 32-24-9 ( 32 of 38 wins by the team ), a 3.09 GAA, 6 shutouts and went to the All Star Game. He finished 4th in Hart Trophy voting, and Bobby Clarke accepted the trophy saying that Smith "deserved" it. He followed that up with a less stellar season ( as did his team ), but they made the playoffs again. Of 32 wins, he won 20 ( 20-24-6 with a 3.50 GAA ).  It was rumoured back then that he was a character ( owned racehorses, once got scored on while checking his bets on the arena scoreboards, was definitely a "man about town" back then ), but still was a pretty good goalie, and the fans loved him.  But after this season he was traded to Minnesota for Cesar Maniago.  ( the story goes that it was precipitated by his going to a party in the British Properties at the owners house and comparing either his wife or daughter to one of his horses for facial beauty...he was gone within the month )

So, for the rest of the 70's, here's but a few names that were trotted out with various levels of ineptitude and or success. Murray BannermanGary Bromley, ( loved that mask! ) the return of Dunc Wilson, and Glen Hanlon. Carrot Top was the only one that caught the fan's imagination as the "savior". None grabbed the brass ring.

 

So, the 70s saw one superstar goaltender, and he was tossed aside for calling the boss's female family ugly.  That's OK right?  Starting in 1980, we had Richard Brodeur! The King!  (Wiki here ) Well, sorta. He started out well, and had his best season in 1982.  He rode that until he was traded in March of '88 for Steve Weeks.  But if you look at the numbers linked, most seasons post '82 were decidedly average. Nonetheless, the man gets line ups around the block at any personal appearance now. I loved him in '82. I just wonder why he gets a pass on the suckage post '82, and current crease holders don't get the same benefit.  Kind of puts paid to the "goalie graveyard" argument for Vancouver.  He was the transcendent talent of the team in the 80's, but here are some other names from that era.  John "Cheech" Garrett.  Frank CapriceWendell YoungTroy Gamble, and in a 1987 trade with the Devils, a young Kirk McLean.  Let's face it. Our team had another bout with suckage then. Never made it out of the first round in the 80s.

 

But we did get a great stand up goalie in Kirk McLean. Check his numbers. An All Star in '92, great numbers.  Part of that? An improving team, but it was Kirk McLean as well.  In '94, we all know of "The Save", and the run to Game 7 of the Finals.  I loved this guy as our goaltender as well.  Playoff successes on both sides of the '94 run.  But it was time to go in 1998 ( in a  trade that brought back Sean Burke ) as well.  We dispose of our goaltenders here in the graveyard!  Not getting the numbers and asking for too much money now? See ya!  And again, Kirk McLean is treated as a goalie god in Vancouver for losing in the Finals. 

OK, so, the list of guys and their numbers between the once in a decade talent of Captain Kirk to when we acquired the next once in a decade talent in Roberto Luongo in '06.  Garth SnowCorey HirschPetr SkudraFelix PotvinMaxime OulletJohan Hedberg.   Martin Brochu.  Kevin Weekes and Bob Essensa. Alex AuldTyler Moss and the immortal Jason LaBarbera.  All of them, to lesser and varying degrees, were sold to the fans as the "next great young goalie".  Hell, I remember when fans would try to tell me how Cory Hirsch was the NEXT ONE.  How many times was smoke blown up our asses about Kevin Weekes back then. Its not unusual that they all came up a little short under the glare of the spotlight here.

(Note, Dan Cloutier gets a line by himself, in recognition of his being the living embodiment of goaltenders and expectations in this town! ) One that definitely was burned by the glare of the spotlight.

This is where I think the "goalie graveyard " comes from.  It was the long train of goaltenders after Kirk McLean that could not live up to his legend.  So, into that, you drop a guy that has the top numbers of any goaltender coming in. Who sets the world on fire in his first playoff series here, outduelling Marty Turco in a goaltender's master class.  What a first impression!

So, after that, the struggles against the Hawks for two years, the coming so close in the past season, it seems to some that we are getting a depreciating asset, and bemoan the long contract.  The season where he was dealing with his wife having his first child and having to be in the hospital for weeks while he was on the road trying to play hockey was a watershed for some of the chattering masses.  I, myself, was pretty understanding, even though I was of course disappointed in the team's collapse.  But, for a segment of the fanbase that has been told each successive hire its the next "One", they jumped on it, and the man, Unfairly.

Some made up their minds to hate right there. Others succumbed along the way to their dark side as the playoffs in various years played out. All I can say, it's a TEAM game. Blaming the goaltender is sometimes OK on a weak goal, but far more often, its a combo of a mistake and the goalie not being able to make that amazing save.  Yet, with the hate of not having the "One" still percolating just below the surface, in Vancouver, its become a pastime ( like Sudoku for puck fans! ) for some to break down every goal and assign blame. We are just weird like that.  Thank you Al Gore for the Interwebs!

 

The thing is, Roberto Luongo has made a ton of amazing saves since he has been here. By any metric you want to use, his numbers are either the best, have set Canuck records, or, even when you adjust for new rules as the Canuck Library does here ( a MUST HAVE link for Canuck fans anyhow! ), Roberto Luongo has, or should have, earned the benefit of the doubt from the fans here.

Sadly, there is a segment ( minority I hope!), where he will not be able to do anything. I would remind them that, while I too love the promise of Cory Schneider. But he has 18 career wins to this point.

 

Anyhow, there you go. The goalie graveyard attachment to Vancouver is not totally insane. But its apparent that it is uneven in this city, and adjusts by whim. I am not sure what Roberto Luongo can do to prevent being labeled with all sorts of things he is not. Maybe its part and parcel of a 60+ mildo contract and what comes with that. Let us hope we can judge the man on his doings, not what we think of his media driven public persona.

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Amen

I salute you sir. Well written.

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by Kieran gunn on Oct 19, 2011 8:30 PM PDT reply actions  

thank you

it is an interesting thing. The two guys that are lauded and lined up for to this day got us just as far as Lui did!

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by vancitydan on Oct 19, 2011 9:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

:rabblerabble: But it’s his contract!! :hatervoice:

To each and every single one of the haters who use the money as the main reason to hate this world class goalie, turn that contract down. You couldn’t, I guarantee it. To a man/woman, you would take it and run, just like Lou did.

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by Coach Ryan on Oct 19, 2011 11:56 PM PDT reply actions  

said in Rick James voice

“I’M ROBERTO LUONGO BITCH!”…coupled with someone getting a smack.

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by vancitydan on Oct 20, 2011 12:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

question

should Luongo get tired of the abuse and demand a trade when the out-clause in his contract kicks in what Self-respecting goalie will want to come to Vancouver knowing the abuse Luongo took during his time here? It’s a question that needs answering

by Tina Poole on Oct 20, 2011 12:32 AM PDT reply actions  

If they are being offered a chance to win

and to be paid market value? I guarantee they won’t give even one shit about the fans let alone two. The only people who think fans really have more than a very marginal influence at all are the fans. What self-respecting professional athlete would turn down coming here because of the fans? And if they would then they aren’t mentally strong enough anyway and we wouldn’t want them.

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by Section 312 on Oct 20, 2011 6:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

yeah this

I doubt Luongo will “get tired of the abuse” and want out, because the guy wants to win badly, and he knows there are only a handful of teams who will give him a consistent shot year after year. The thing is, all those cities will crucify him just as we do here.

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by Canuckles on Oct 20, 2011 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

the difference

to me between Lou’s treatment and say Kirk or King RIchard is Lou is behind by far the best team this franchise has ever iced. After 40 years of mostly futility the fan base sees this and rightly expects to finally see a Cup being paraded down Robson.

This old Canucks fan has lived through it all and in certain aspects I think Lou does deserve to take some heat from the fans. It is hard to argue that for all his brilliance at times, he is frustratingly inconsistent at others, especially in the playoffs. How does a guy who plays so good in the first 2 games of the SCF so horrible shit the bed in others? Yes it’s a team game and the team as a whole was hammered by injury in the SCF and no one really played great.

But, just like the old maxim in football that defence wins Super Bowls, goal tending wins Stanley Cups. Even if on the way to losing in 7 games the Canucks lost 3-2 or 2-1, I don’t think Lou would be getting such short shift from the fans. It’s the 8-1’s and 5-2’s that have created the situation.

by ktownfan on Oct 20, 2011 8:16 AM PDT reply actions  

I do disagree with a couple things there ktown

The “best team” thing. The 82 team was a magical underdog, but that 94 team. They were pretty damn good too. Maybe not the “best” in the league then, but close enough.

There is no “rightly” on the Cup my friend. Yes, we have a great team, but come on, we have been in the Final enough times now to not expect it!

I have lived through the whole thing, and …ummm…no. Kirk McLean had a bad Game 3 in 94 for instance, and lost 5-1. But people give him a break all the time. You have fallen in the same trap other Luongo haters have. Blaming the goalie. Its a team game mon frere. In the 8-0 game, for instance, it was 0-0 after 1, and Luongo was the only Canuck playing! The fact they lost is just that, a fact. From the whole team sucking, not just the goalie.

Yes, defense does win championships. The optics are such that I see your point.

I dismiss that out of hand though. Totally and utterly. Team game….and the team lost 4 of 7 in the Final. An 8-0 score just looks bad for those that only remember box scores…I remember that game vividly, and it was not the goaltender’s fault at all.

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by vancitydan on Oct 20, 2011 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

The 1994 team

was 7th in the West . They would have been 7th in the East based on points as well. They weren’t up there at all. They were a marginal playoff team that got hot.

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by Section 312 on Oct 20, 2011 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

That team

was better than 7th.

It does not matter. Its ancillary to the main point. They could have won the Cup, and got to Game 7.

It was a very good team…but again, not to the main point.

The main point is that people give Luongo way more “hate:” than anyone in this market. That McLean had bad games too. But he is treated like a conquering hero for his deal and Lui “sucks” for his.

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by vancitydan on Oct 20, 2011 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

the difference

between the 94 team and 2011 team is night and day. The 94 team caught the proverbial lightning in a bottle and made a run, ala 2006 Oilers. Just look at the success that team had the year prior and years after.

 The 2010-2011 was the Presidents Trohpy winning team that had won the division title 4 out of the last 5 years. Odds on favs before the season even started. They have been building up to this for 5+ years.

I grant you the team as a whole did not play well in Boston, but head of the did not play well list was Lou. Especially game 6. He let in some VERY soft goals.

I’m not of the Lou totally blows goats faction. But I do call it like I see it. After 40 years fans see a true contender and right or wrong, the expectation is to finally bring a Cup home to Vancouver.

by ktownfan on Oct 20, 2011 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

it was a perfect storm, really

I’d say that Lu’s worst game was game 6. The other games were sorta snowball games where the blame needs to be passed around equally. One goal goes in off a skate at an inopportune time, confidence got shot for whatever reason and the whole team stopped playing. One thing I noticed was that Lui would be torched for a flukey goal (like the GWG in game 7) or a really nice one, then the team would look so awful, and then it seemed like Lui gives up too, or just can’t handle the onslaught. Either way, not good.

There’s something very odd about the mental chemistry of this team, to be honest. I can’t really explain it, but it seems like everyone reacts really badly if things don’t go to plan.

Lui has his share of blame in the finals, don’t get me wrong. But I wouldn’t put him at the head of the list, nor would I put any other player at the head of such a list. They all collectively failed to deliver and they need to figure it out. For my money, I think the coaching isn’t up to snuff.

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by Canuckles on Oct 20, 2011 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

I get the difference between the team. ( sometimes I guess I need subtitles!)

Of course the difference is night and day. I said “The 94 team could very well have won a Cup”. I lived through that downtown. I remember every game and its aftermath. But watching that series, while the Rags were the “top team” and had some great stars, Vancouver was deep enough…strong enough, and easily good enough to win.

The point about the Prez Trophy winners is just that they were in the position the rags were then.

Now, as to Luongo. No. Sorry, but no again. I am not saying there were goals that “could have been stopped”. But I dismiss the “6 very SOFT goals” entirely. No offense to you. I am sure I’d have a beer with you no problem.

All you have to do is look at the fact that he won TWO games 1-0. Luongo haters always want to point at this goal or that. The 4-0 game or the 8-0 one.

Those games were because the entire team did not show up. People love to get on the goalie, and its part of the position. But putting him at the head of the list ( which is taken by the Sedins and the PP, followed by the defense (prob’ due to injuries) not being up to its Jennings standards while the Bruins did play a 5 man game our team excelled at all year ) is unfair. Expected, and predictable. But wrong.

The fact that you say I am not in the “Luongo blows goats” faction in your own mind is laudable. Keep trying though. Its not calling it like you see it to blame the goalie. Its, again, very predictable. Happens in every city, and is a common thing for people to do.

Bring the Cup home will happen when the entire team earns it. Without Luongo, the team is not even out of the first round. He won 2 Finals game 1-0. Two. Because he had to. Because the team could not score.

You win and lose as a team of course. But blaming the goalie because a couple games got out of hand and he was left out to dry by his guys is unfair.

Par for the course in this fanbase. But definitely not fair.

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by vancitydan on Oct 20, 2011 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

did you even

watch game 6? Marchand’s goal from the half boards wasn’t weak? Hockey is a game of momentum and all to often a weak goal took the momentum away from the Canucks.

Again, Lou played out standing in many games, he had a 4 game stretch, the last 2 against SJ and first 2 against the Bruins he played all world.

 But, he also stuck out the joint (along with the team) on more than one occasion. Were the goals from behind the blue line against Nashville also the whole teams fault?

You are just as guilty of letting Lou off easy as the haters are of blaming him to much. You can dismiss what ever you want out of hand, doesn’t make ya right.

Lou is a very good goalie who is wildly inconsistent at times.

by ktownfan on Oct 20, 2011 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Lou is a very good goalie who is wildly inconsistent at times.

I don’t think this is quite accurate. I’d say he’s an excellent goalie who is prone to bouts of poor play. You cannot be inconsistent “at times.” You either are, or are not consistent. And I don’t find his poor play comes frequently enough that it is in “inconsistent.”

But your sentiment on this is more or less correct.

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by Canuckles on Oct 20, 2011 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Exactly this
You are just as guilty of letting Lou off easy as the haters are of blaming him to much.

The truth is very much in the middle.

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by Section 312 on Oct 20, 2011 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not dismissing it

at all. I am shaking my head at your way of blaming the goalie far more than anyone else.

The fact that you are reaching for the lucky goals ( that happen on any goalie. Come on now. Suter’s was off three sticks or skates before going in, and legwand’s was batted in by Edler ) is just that. Reaching.

I am not dismissing anything. I thought Marchand’s goal was one that could have been stopped. Maybe. Blaming him to this date, and excluding or dismissing the others on the team and their lack of talent…its ridiculous. Its wrong.

But please, just because I keep poking holes in your Luongo “hate”, does not mean I don’t get it. Thats the thing. The haters are wrong far more than right, only point to circumstance and occasions that help their point, and ignore ( no mention yet of the two S/Us I pointed out yet,hmmmm friend?)

A proper statement is that the “TEAM” was wildly inconsistent at times" He is part of that team, and bears some responsibility. Not the entire weight of the Canuck Nation that haters want to put on him.

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by vancitydan on Oct 20, 2011 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sorry dan, I generally am pretty much in synergy with you on things, but this one statement you made kind of irks me a bit:

Its not calling it like you see it to blame the goalie. Its, again, very predictable.
To me, that is EXACTLY calling it like he sees it. I’m not saying his vision is correct or incorrect, but as someone else pointed out in another thread, if someone is invested in the team emotionally, they’re a fan and their opinion and how they see things is 100% valid. There is no ‘This is right or this is wrong’ here, it’s a highly subjective conversation. No one has to agree, but everyone can have a voice.

Personally, I’m of the mind that Luongo is the best goalie vancouver’s ever had, without a doubt, and that he’s at least top 5 if not top 3 in the NHL. Yet, I get just as frustrated as all these other people with him…i said it the other day…it’s extremely frustrated to see other goalies completely shut the door on us when we’re outplaying their team by a huge margin, and we so seldom see that in return. Part of that is we see less occasions where a team harshly outplays us, but when it does happen, our whole team falls to shit, including luongo, and we don’t end up stealing a game. That is what generates the bronx cheer. Not that luongo sucks, it’s that luongo wasn’t what we needed when we needed him to be the best player on the ice. I’m not the type to ever boo my team or jeer them like that, but I can honestly say that I was neither offended or shocked when it happened. I don’t hate luongo’s contract or his attitude or his skill set, and i strongly believe that anyone who wants to trade him is out of their mind, but I’m not going to let it go when he isn’t able to step up when it’s required. NOTE: none of what i just said has any reference on the SCF…I’m with you, apart from maybe one or possibly two soft goals that weren’t game changers anyways, I can’t in good conscience put that loss on him.

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by Twitchy2010 on Oct 20, 2011 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

just wanted to add

in regard to Capt Kirk. I loved the guy, but I lost count of how many times I wanted to chuck my beer at the tv when someone came down the wing and fired a shot past him low glove side and he did that little backwards dance.

This of course when Roy was making the butterfly/profly style look so damn good and you always want what you don’t have,

by ktownfan on Oct 20, 2011 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

All I am pointing out

In this article and in the comments, is that Luongo gets too much blame and not enough credit.

I am OK with being called a “Luongo apologist” or “letting him off too easy”.

Neither one is really true, but whatever. We are all entitled to our opinions. I am critical of the guy when he deserves it.

But when we start assigning our own feelings as his ( Luongo is weak mentally, see how his shoulders sagged there!) or finding new and interesting ways to get on the guy…when the truth is that in most cases, a hockey goal is from a mistake. Its from the goalie sometimes ( but not as many as people want to assign to him )…other times its the fire drill in front of him.

I like the guy. I try and be positive. But I get the feeling that if folks are presupposed to hate the guy, they tend to dismiss those positive statements as being an “apologist” I am just noting that its a team game. It is. The fans getting on Lui is predictable, and maybe I am guilty of assuming that attitude in ktown ( apologies if that seems that way…just trying to give the contrary POV ) and others where it is something they do all the time.

But I am not willing to just toss aside the 3 time Vezina nominee, Jennings winner of last year, same guy that has a tough start every year just because its the fashionable opinion…you know?

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by vancitydan on Oct 20, 2011 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

someone else in the other thread

not to Mention Roberto Luongo himself more or less said the same thing,

if someone is invested in the team emotionally, they’re a fan and their opinion and how they see things is 100% valid.

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by Canuckles on Oct 20, 2011 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Someone else?

Someone fucking else? Jesus guys. I know I haven’t been around a lot lately. But you could at least pretend like you remember who I am.

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by Section 312 on Oct 20, 2011 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

ohhhhhh

that’s a rec

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by Canuckles on Oct 20, 2011 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

hey

Welcome to Nucks Misconduct friend!

*ducksandruns

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by Canuckles on Oct 20, 2011 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Reminds me of that episode of The Office

in like season 3 or 4 when Creed introduces himself to Meredith. He’s been sitting across from her for years. Doesn’t know who she is. Hilarious.

"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"Are you out of your fucking mind? You think I'm just going to rape you on the off chance that hopefully you're into that shit?" - Louis CK
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by Section 312 on Oct 20, 2011 7:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

I love the office

though I don’t watch nearly enough of it.

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by Canuckles on Oct 20, 2011 8:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

hahahaha

have you seen this?

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by Canuckles on Oct 20, 2011 8:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

actually

this one is better

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by Canuckles on Oct 20, 2011 8:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think you are elevating the 94 team based on emotional attachment

don’t get me wrong, I loved that team as much as anyone. They were also good, a competitive mid-range team. They wouldn’t have made it to the finals otherwise. But this wasn’t a “walk away with the regular season team” like the Canucks have been/are.

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by Canuckles on Oct 20, 2011 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Like I said, I am ( I think, don’t know your age ) of the age where I was probably where most of the fans are here in 94. Young and wild and living in the city downtown at the heart of it. The entire city was abuzz for months.

Does that mean I had an emotional attachment? Of course it does. But trying to denigrate that statement is off base. They had a great goalie, a deep but underrated defensive core, that was made better by far by Jeff Brown. They were mid range at the start. They were a very good team after that trade.

The playoffs were a case of all that talent coming together. But the team was totally good enough to win a Cup. The original statement was the difference between the ’82 team and the ’94 one. The 82 guys were lucky to be on the same ice as the Isles, and had no chance.

The Rags may have been a fave, but come on. Bure led all forwards in scoring that summer, and he and Trevor Linden were 1-2 in goals. The only guy that was better than them scoring wise was Leetch ( THE difference in the series.) We had a good guy in Jeff . They had a #1 stud D;man that should have won the Conn Smythe

But yeah, I agree in part.

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by vancitydan on Oct 20, 2011 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

I love how you need to argue

even though you essentially agree with me on all points.

Observe:

They were also good, a competitive mid-range team. They wouldn’t have made it to the finals otherwise. But this wasn’t a "walk away with the regular season team" like the Canucks have been/are.

And you follow this up with an argument about how the Canucks in 94 were, well, a good, competitive mid-ranged team.

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by Canuckles on Oct 20, 2011 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

I guess I will stop here then

b/c I must be too obtuse.

One, I was talking to someone else and you jumped in. Then, when I tried to correct you on the meaning ( that all I was saying in that convo with someone else that while the Canucks were 7th in 94, they were a team that made a couple great trades, and had a ton of talent. They could have won that series easily.

Thats my experience from living my life around the team in ’94.

We talked about the emotional attachment…and then you went blank, and posted the above. Its silly to keep trying, but I will.

If you actually want to remember ( because it HAPPENED!) the team was thought to be exactly that in 94. A team that made it to the Final, made some moves ( that went wrong) made some more moves ( that tore the heart out of the team and gave it to Messier, who pulled Wayne Maki’s jersey out of the rafters!)..They were thought to be a Top Team back then, and were a prime example of what happens with expectations.

In 94, where I partially agreed with you, is that they were a middle team before the deals. Before they had a second line. A third. Before the best player in the NHL went away. Before Linden was tossed aside for Messier.

A lot of that is buying into the hype machine.

But, whatever. I am sort of bored with trying to answer your obtuseness. But one more time.

Originally, they had a middling record. They made some deals that were excellent. They then played well together.

While they might not have been top echelon in record, they had the best scorer, the best 2 way forward in the playoffs that year. A top D’man ( and I tried to even qualify that for you with Leetch! (in Brown.) Momesso, Ronning fitting in seamlessly and being exactly what the GM hoped when he got them.

I don’t know how you missed it and accused me of talking out of both sides of my mouth, but really?

All I said, before you jumped in, is that the 94 team could have easily won a Cup because they were good enough. They did get to Game 7, a post, and all that.

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by vancitydan on Oct 20, 2011 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

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