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Canuck Brunch: Ridiculous- October 13

If there were two words I could have stricken from the vernacular around here, a phrase that would become absolutely verboten, it would be 'goalie controversy'.  It's just jaw-droppingly stupid to see things like that phrase being the first thing out of the Hockeycentral panel's collective mouths last night.  Between them and the usual rantings on Twitter, it's like no one seems to remember the season before.  Or before that.  Or every single season that Roberto Luongo has been with the Vancouver Canucks.  This isn't so much a defense of Luongo as it is a plea for some actual thought to be used before a good portion of you, Canucks fans and media alike, open your mouths or begin to type.

Roberto Luongo did not play well last night.  The Vancouver Canucks did not play well last night.  And much like they do every season, they've stumbled out of the gate.  And yet it seems that even more than  ever before, this is setting off alarm bells for some.  The so-called goalie controversy, because Luongo has lost 1 in regulation and 1 in shootout as opposed to the 1 win for Cory Schneider.  This is seen as a reason that the Canucks should suddenly explore trading Luongo, or at the very least giving his number one spot to Schneider.  Lunacy.  Absolute lunacy.

There is a portion of the fanbase who simply refuse to acknowledge that Roberto Luongo is a world class goaltender, let alone a good one.  They say that regular season accomplishments mean nothing, while at the same time

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lose their mind over any goal he lets in, win or lose.  It doesn't matter who scores it, how incredible the shot was, Luongo is to blame.  His defence can (and did last night) offer up chances on a silver platter, and it's still his fault.  The man got them to the Stanley Cup Finals, and they act like he still hadn't been able to beat the Blackhawks.  Instead of 'what have you done for me lately?', some Canucks fans are 'what have you EVER done for me?' when it comes to Roberto Luongo.

No, instead of the goalie who was part of the Jennings trophy winning tandem, and in the top few for wins, GAA and save percentage, we get to hear Marty McSorley (yes, that Marty McSorley) offer up the gem that because of what he heard Luongo say during the series against Los Angeles (remember the one where the Canucks forgot how to kill penalties for a couple games?), this said to him that Luongo doesn't get along with his teammates and there are problems in the Canucks dressing room.  First of all, how in the hell did this neanderthal get a job where he has to speak for a living?  Second, it is reprehensible, especially as a former player to make these kinds of ridiculous speculations.  We're used to nonsense like this from people like Damien Cox and the Worst Journalist In The World (tm), Barry Rozner.  Rozner actually suggested that the Canucks 1-1-1 start was a sure sign Alain Vigneault's job was in danger, and he would be gone by Christmas, or US Thanksgiving 'if he continues to play the sieve'.  Which sieve would that be, Barry?  Oh right, the one who beat your beloved Hawks.  Of course, being the Worst Journalist In The World (tm) means not doing research.  Like the fact that the Canucks started last season 0-3.  Or that they lost their first 4 road games.  And how many did they win last season?  Say it with me kids: TWENTY SEVEN.

It's maddening really, to see journalists who cover the Canucks on a regular basis fall into this same line of crap.  They amongst all of you should know damn well that this team is simply doing what it always does.  A running start, if you will.  They will be fine, and Roberto Luongo, along with Cory Schneider will lead the Canucks to another Western Conference title, maybe even a President's Trophy.  Luongo didn't lose that game, the Canucks, with a combination of bad penalties and penalty killing, overall poor defensive play, some dumb luck and an inability to get one more goal on the number of power plays given to them in the third as the Flyers did their own meltdown were the reason they lost.  The Flyers didn't really deserve to win that game either.  Apart from a couple players, they weren't really as billed.  They had some monumental defensive gaffes, typical Flyer discipline issues and goaltending that wasn't much better than the kind Vancouver got.  That game could have ended up as a W for the Canucks very easily. 

While I am sure I could rant incessantly about this, there's actually no time, as the Canucks are right back at it against the Detroit Red Wings.  Just the way you want to face them, tired after a tough loss with them very well rested.  I am giving serious thought to starting to drink now, just so I can handle the reactions should they lose (the defence let Cory down!!) or win (Schneider is better!  Controversy!!!!).  This one ain't gonna be pretty folks, unless the Canucks do a serious tightening up defensively.

Last Night's Leftover Spaghetti...

How do I feel better about last night's loss?  A lil Bruins schadenfreude, anyone?  Am I a bad person because I laughed?  So what.  You know you did, too... Speaking of bad people, the Flyers fans booing the Hockey Fights Cancer commercial last night?  I am torn... part of me thinks this is blown out of proportion, but part of me would also like to see even a TINY part of their fan base denounce this.  Seriously, who in the hell boos cancer fundraising efforts, regardless of who's involved?  Can't their fanbase stop collectively being a dick for one minute and just be cool?

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“Speaking of bad people, the Flyers fans booing the Hockey Fights Cancer commercial last night? I am torn… part of me thinks this is blown out of proportion, but part of me would also like to see even a TINY part of their fan base denounce this. "

It’s cool, looke at bruce_arthur’s twitter history last night, and watch how Flyer fans attacked everyone for joking about it.

by Wisp on Oct 13, 2011 1:05 PM PDT reply actions  

Pavlovian reaction to seeing Crosby. Fans doing their duty. It was a trick to help perpetuate the Philadelphia Monster fan thing. Some of us don’t mind the reputation, though.

by flyersfaninchicago on Oct 13, 2011 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Why isn’t anyone upset that Crosby was booed in spite of the concussion problem? Seems to me that would be perceived as crass as well.

BTW, when Lemieux came back from cancer his first game was in Philly and he got a lengthy, rousing ovation when he came on the ice and another when he scored a goal, if you can believe that. And again when he played his last game (or so we thought) in a playoff series-ending loss in Philly a few years later. He was named the game’s only star.

The reputation is a bit overdone, but it’s a lot better than having a rep for not showing up to the games.

by flyersfaninchicago on Oct 13, 2011 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

you guys need to stop rationalizing/caring what others say. half the problem!

I say that with the knowledge that Canucks fans need to stop caring too.

by Wisp on Oct 13, 2011 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

amen Wisp. It’s getting annoying, isn’t it?

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by Sean Zandberg on Oct 13, 2011 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

absolutely. I wish the standard response was “yea we crazy. go canucks!”

by Wisp on Oct 13, 2011 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Unfortunately, it will never go away. It will only get worse and worse. Thanks to social media.

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by Sean Zandberg on Oct 13, 2011 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’d say something about it generating being bad Karma, but then Boston won a Stanley cup.

by Wisp on Oct 13, 2011 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

We also share a goalie problem narrative that will die hard. Yours is about one guy. Ours has been about the revolving door.

by flyersfaninchicago on Oct 13, 2011 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

We have the same revolving door narrative lately. “Goalie graveyard” has recently reared its ugly head, but I think it’s mostly from other outlets deflecting their own histories (looking at you Toronto). We’ve simply had horrible teams in our past.

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by kesrows on Oct 13, 2011 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

I say give them the old one finger salute

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by Semi_Colon on Oct 13, 2011 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Common sense commands me to rec this article.

Well done, Kent. Couldn’t agree more.

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by kesrows on Oct 13, 2011 1:08 PM PDT reply actions  

kent scores another gwg

too bad nobody but us will listen re: journalistic integrity and common sense.

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by Twitchy2010 on Oct 13, 2011 1:24 PM PDT reply actions  

Bang on

This was one of the most accurate nuck-rants I’ve seen in a long time. Anywhere. Well done :)

The funny thing is, he said thank you.

by ott2binvan on Oct 13, 2011 1:24 PM PDT reply actions  

Great stuff

I was trying to convey something similar in the Recap, with “blaming the crappy refs” for some of it as well, but I got called a homer for it. So, maybe I’ll just say “new NHL” when those things happen from now on.

But you nailed it down with more clarity and brevity than I did! Great work again Kent.

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by vancitydan on Oct 13, 2011 1:27 PM PDT reply actions  

Bruins 1-3-0? Fucking rights I laugh!!

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by Sean Zandberg on Oct 13, 2011 1:28 PM PDT reply actions  

I wish you would consider their feelings a little more.

They would never behave that way towards us.

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by kesrows on Oct 13, 2011 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

But seriously, we don’t tighten our shit up defensively tonight, then we’re well on our way to matching their record.

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by kesrows on Oct 13, 2011 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh I aware of that. I’m just kicking the damned B’s while they are down. Every time Timmy bitched and whined and grrr’ed about a goal going past him last night I laughed. It lifted my spirits.

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by Sean Zandberg on Oct 13, 2011 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

No argument here. BTW…how is papa Z life treating you?

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by kesrows on Oct 13, 2011 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

it is what it is. :)
What I expected.
All is well!
Thanks for asking :)

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by Sean Zandberg on Oct 13, 2011 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

bazinga

Great rant Ken. Tweeted!

by vancan19 on Oct 13, 2011 1:31 PM PDT reply actions  

Deserveds a rec for sure.

And gets one from me.

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by Jevant on Oct 13, 2011 1:46 PM PDT reply actions  

Marty McSorley sitting at a desk analyzing hockey still baffles me. It’s like thinking about eternity, or black holes or something. It makes the brain hurt. No conclusions can be made that make any sort of sense.

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by ShiftySC on Oct 13, 2011 1:52 PM PDT reply actions  

but he's a pro!

I turned them all off after this one…but from the reports of others…it was about what was expected.

How he got “problems in the Canucks dressing room” out of it all baffles the hell out of me.

It does not surprise though.

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by vancitydan on Oct 13, 2011 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

I have to agree

Kent
You have to agree that even if they do not move Luongo they must do something to fix his style of play. He is always down, deep in his net or on his belly.
The Luongo I liked was when he challenged shooter made them go around him, stood his ground and protected the top of the net.
Most cases are that the D is dropping in front of the shooter so why have your goalie on his knees leaving a great big gapping hole over his shoulder that he cannot reach with his glove.
They need to replace the goaltending coach in my humble opinion.

by rogeryyc1 on Oct 13, 2011 2:18 PM PDT reply actions  

3 games into october, you’re not allowed to say ‘always.’

by Wisp on Oct 13, 2011 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

also replacing rollie is equally laughable

by Wisp on Oct 13, 2011 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

True

but I hope Melanson does something about Lu’s belly flops. Leaving the top corners open I can live with, but the top 2/3rds of the net is a bit much. Anyway, 3 games, 3 points, soldier on, lads.

I'll do it tomorrow, that seems like a pretty good idea to me
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by Smoboy41 on Oct 13, 2011 2:33 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Did Lou really have to go butterfly anyway?? Who made that conscious decision? I liked him better before they transformed him. Lou is not a natural at it at all. This is why I like Thomas. He won’t change his style and is successful. Reinventing Lou may not have been the best idea. Of course, sometimes I feel otherwise, you know..when he’s kicking ass.
You ever wonder if the butterfly thing is running it’s coarse though? Unless the goalie is really far out (or 6’7" tall) shoot top cheese. At all times. The percentages are changing in the “playing the percentages” IMO. More and more players shoot high and succeed.

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by Sean Zandberg on Oct 13, 2011 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

“Reinventing Lou” made him play some of his best hockey in years.

Belly flops really need to go, but the changes they’ve made so far have been good ones.

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by ShiftySC on Oct 13, 2011 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Did it though? I mean team play contributed to that. His real best season taking that factor out of the equation was the year his faced a record amount of shots with Florida and still put out solid numbers. Remember how food he was for us in 2007 as well? Without the butterfly style? With Ian Clark as his full time goalie coach?

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by Sean Zandberg on Oct 13, 2011 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Just because he had a statistically great season in ‘04 doesn’t mean his styled should have stayed that way; the 6 seasons following hadn’t resulted in what we wanted. A year after changing styles and goalie coaches he records his second best statistical season.

That isn’t just our team being better.

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by ShiftySC on Oct 13, 2011 5:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Butterfly style

is still the way to go. Look at the goals that beat Lu high last night. The shooters had way too much time. Pressure the guy, and he doesn’t pick those corners.

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by Smoboy41 on Oct 13, 2011 5:44 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

My thing is, when a goalie lunges for pucks out of his reach, instead of squaring up and staying large in the net, it screams confidence issues to me.

When Lou is on his game, it’s all about lateral movement shot blocking and puck containment. When I think back it has been a gradual process of him leaning forward and making big unnecessary saves.

If a puck is 3 feet in front of you, either poke it out of the way or trust your Dman to do his job and clear it. The lunging pulls you way the hell out of position. Something he does little of when he shows confidence in his play.

When he plays a structured system utilizing his mobility, he is one of the best in the game. He is also one of the most readable goalies I have ever seen before the puck drops. His body language says tons about the way he feels about himself.

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by kesrows on Oct 13, 2011 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

The McSorley thing is not out of thin air

Not for nuthin’ cause I think Luongo gives us the best chance to win long term and Mcsorley may be a moron but he didn’t just pull that out of his butt. I think a dressing room controversy is overstating it but he is not well liked amongst his teammates. While no one has ever said anything specific, I have personally heard grumblings like “wouldn’t kill him to pick up a tab once in a while” etc. The arrogance and entitlement that he plays down in interviews is real and is not his most endearing quality. That being said nobody has to be best friends with the goalie to win a cup.

by Canuckelhead on Oct 13, 2011 2:30 PM PDT reply actions  

lol

smo with the win

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by Twitchy2010 on Oct 13, 2011 7:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

I refrained. I’m glad. You would’ve won.

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by ShiftySC on Oct 13, 2011 8:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Except yoata

would have said Lu is not the best bet to win a cup and he needs to be traded.

Let it begin

by westy99 on Oct 14, 2011 9:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

I agree with the

gist of your “rant”. But you forgot to consider one important thing, when it comes to us, fans: the nature of the beast.
My definition of an avid Canucks fan (and you may disagree) is “a person who reacts with passion and intensity to every single event in Canuckland” So, irrational over-reacting is the very definition of us, fans. If I were a rational person, I would not scream with excitement, every time the puck is in the opponent’s net, or have a terrible day, when the boys decide to mail it in.
So, yes, we proudly admit that we are irrational, and over-react more often than not, because that’s what being a fan is about.
(just a good-natured rant..)

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by AttilaS on Oct 13, 2011 2:31 PM PDT reply actions  

Now, as far as the journalists are concerned

controversy (manufactured or not) sells paper, you know.

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by AttilaS on Oct 13, 2011 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well Put Kent

Rec’d

I’ve tried to avoid all Canucks coverage from major media outlets as it’s become painfully predictable. Controversy sells I guess.

I did find the lack of commentary on Higgins’ weak goal on Bryz last night hilarious. The entire intermission would have zeroed in on that goal had it been Luongo, but there wasn’t a peep. Can’t help but just laugh and shake my head.

by Babych_for_HOF on Oct 13, 2011 2:35 PM PDT reply actions  

Could not agree more.

Luongo haters need to find a new sport to watch

by Shand on Oct 13, 2011 3:00 PM PDT reply actions  

In other news
VAN Lines for tonight: Daniel-Henrik-Burrows Higgins-Hodgson-Hansen Malhotra-Lapierre-Weise Sturm-Ebbett-Samuelsson

by JJ Canuck on Oct 13, 2011 3:04 PM PDT reply actions  

Manny and Lappy on the third line, so they can cheat on faceoffs and still have a badass faceoff man on the wing.. I like it

by Shand on Oct 13, 2011 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

me too

I also like the fact AV is sending a message to Sturm and Samuelsson to wake the hell up.
2nd line looks awesome as well.

by JJ Canuck on Oct 13, 2011 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Higgins! Higgins! Higgins!
He deserves line 2.

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by Sean Zandberg on Oct 13, 2011 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Triple H

baby

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by Semi_Colon on Oct 13, 2011 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks

Was going to put it out there if Lappy deserved a bump up. He’s definitely earned the ice. I really do like seeing him with Higgins but I guess we have to work with what we have right now.

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by kesrows on Oct 13, 2011 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

That’s an odd bottom 6…

I think AV’s trying to ignite the Swedish-rage in Samuelsson, he’s looked pretty passive so far this year.

by Babych_for_HOF on Oct 13, 2011 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

great lines

I called the CoHo one, and Sturm going to the 4th. Did not expect Ebbett to get in, but Volpatti was not at his best at all.

I am sure the backseat coaches will find something in all that. But damn, I like all 4 lines now. That 3rd line should be a solid checking line. Putting Money on the wing should help him too ( I thinnk he is still struggling with fitness from not much training this summer due to surgery)

Carry on coach!

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by vancitydan on Oct 13, 2011 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

I very much approve of these line changes and subs. Plus the HHH line is now in full effect.

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by kesrows on Oct 13, 2011 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

So

when they score, they all do the “chop” ? Then CoHo runs to the mic and grabs it…“and if you are not down with that Detroit, I got two words for ya…”

Right?

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by vancitydan on Oct 13, 2011 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes! haha! And before the game starts Higgins grabs the mic and says: “Are you ready?…………….No Detroit I said: ARE YOU READY?!”…………Then……….for the hundreds in attendance, the millions watching at home…………….and Stu Grimson who is a complete hypocrite……………….LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLETS GET READY TO SUCK IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT!!!!!!!!"

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by Sean Zandberg on Oct 13, 2011 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Best. Theme. Music. Ever.

“Are you ready?”

by Coach Ryan on Oct 13, 2011 9:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

apparently that Malhotra line is the 4th line. AV concerned with Mal’s conditioning, taking it easy on him until he gets that sorted.

by Wisp on Oct 13, 2011 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

The line up tonight really looks like
Sedins/Burrows
3 3rd lines

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by Semi_Colon on Oct 13, 2011 3:38 PM PDT reply actions  

Trips would like a word with you

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by Yankee Canuck on Oct 13, 2011 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Two words...actually

;-/

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by vancitydan on Oct 13, 2011 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

IT'S TIME TO PLAY THE GAME

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by Semi_Colon on Oct 13, 2011 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

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