Hodgson Not NHL-Ready / More Canucks News
by Sean Zandberg on Sep 29, 2010 1:49 AM PDT
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PrintThe biggest story of the night was not Cody Hodgson's long-awaited emergence, but more his lack of it and the great rebound performance by Cory Schneider. Hodgson had a great chance to get his game going on a line with Ryan Kesler and Mason Raymond but showed almost nothing early on and found himself demoted to line 3 and then to line 4. He played only 11:33, had 2 shots and was a +1. He saw no powerplay time as his downward spiral ensued. I don't want to get too down on the kid, but where does the "rusty" excuse end? He looked lost, slow and out of place. His chances of making the team are all but over for now.
Hodgson stated after the game that he just wants to play, whether it be with the Canucks or with the Manitoba Moose. If he's frustrated he's not showing it. When asked about his progressive demotion tonight he said: "You have to ask the coach. I don't read anything into it. I just play." Well, how about a good old "I just wasn't good enough"? Ah well, his time in Manitoba will benefit him as a jump from the OHL to the NHL is not in the cards for him. 2 more preseason games left. It's going to take 2 awesome performances from him now....
-Cory Schneider was solid, and he got help from his friends this time around, as the Canucks held the Sharks to only 11 shots through 2 periods. He then faced 13 shots in the 3rd period and shut the door.
-Great seeing Jeff Tambellini score a beauty and get rewarded for a hard-fought evening.
-Dan Hamhuis played another solid game.
-Keith Ballard, who looked slow much of the night, gave us one of the best highlights of the evening, right when I was bagging on him to my friends:
Vintage Ballard right there.
-Speaking of highlights of the night, how about Raymond's goal?
Thanks for coming, Dan Boyle. Raymond has looked great from the start and really looks to own up to his aspirations for the coming season: to score even more. So shifty. So quick. So resilient. Love it.
-Here are the game highlights. Here is Alain Vigneault's post game presser.
-Oh you're going to love this: Andrew Alberts played a role in Roberto Luongo's groin injury. Just what you needed at this point, hey Andrew? Cue extensive raking over even hotter coals.
-Indeed, Mr. MacIntyre, Jeff Tambellini and Brendan Morrison ARE outplaying Cody Hodgson and Sergei Shirokov.
-The Kurtenbloggers ask a very relevant question: Do the Canucks really need an enforcer? Go there and check out what they think. My answer? Yes, but only if he has enough skills to play the game at a decent level. My other answer is: see Detroit Red Wings. 2009-10. 2008-09. The last goon they had was Aaron Downey in the 2007-08 season. How many playoff games did he play that season? None. Hey, I love a good fight, but it now comes down to a goon with no skill should not take the roster spot of a player who can play. Of course, it's not that simple though is it? Especially when not everyone buys into that theory. So if you have a Zach Stortini running the twins somebody needs to rub him out. But...Detroit doesn't do it with a goon, and they are a model for success.
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With the depth the Canucks have there is absolutely no reason to rush Kid Cody to the NHL. I do think the rust excuse is still good though, he’s coming off a season where he played very little hockey and was rehabbing a serious injury to the back of all places.
I hope he does well down in Manitoba because over the course of the season there will be an opportunity for him to make the Canucks. Vancouver fans have never really been very good at being patient (see Sedins) but I think this kid could be a very special NHLer if we give him time.
He lasted longer than Shredder. He may need a little bit of development time and we aren’t desperate to throw him into the fire which is a good thing.
Also, props to Hodgson for handling the media so well. They’ve been at his throat for so long and he takes it like a true NHLer. Too bad his on-ice game isn’t quite up to speed yet.
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He is a pro already in attitude Steve. To me, he just seems to be thinking a bit instead of doing instinctually. That will come with playing time. Tough for him to run with two burners like Kes and Mase right away. Tambo might be a good fit there though.
Keep our UN line together. The Dane, East Indian Canadian and Mexican Canadian were great together. On a night where all the lines looked good, the 3rd managed to stand out even though they didn’t score.
Not sure Ballard deserves the whipping. I thought he had his best game…that rolling puck into the side of the net could happen to anyone! Sure he can get better. It looks like he is progressing each game. I’ll give him regular season games before calling him BAHLlard just yet. That hip check alone was entertainment value enough!
Glass and Albert both deserved mention for the right reasons. Though Glass should have buried that chance he was given in front.
Big Alberts seems like a whole ’nother guy. I guess an off season and understanding the system helps a lot. he has been good all preseason. If it is SOB or him, its him.
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Big Alberts seems like a whole ’nother guy. I guess an off season and understanding the system helps a lot. he has been good all preseason.
Agreed 100%. I wish more people around here were willing to say that last year when he was struggling.
Making him public whipping boy number 1 and crucifying him the way that was done was embarrassing – right along the lines of what the Canadiens fans are doing to Price.
Clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose.
Agreed
Although that also seems to be partly the media. I’ve actually heard a lot of Leaf fans defend Kadri from both his own coach and the media, saying he needs more time.
Clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose.
It’s mostly media… and the few blind imbiciles who repeat whatever the media says
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by Karina on Sep 29, 2010 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions
Not to mention his coach and gm throwing him under the bus.
by Bobby Canuck on Sep 29, 2010 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions
The vilification of Alberts in the playoffs was excessive, but I really thought he was legitimately bad. He got slagged for the penalties, but he was taking penalties because he was so lost out there — slow, out of position and confused.
Agreed that he appears to be a lot more comfortable out there now, but the pace is going to pick up. I suspect SOB will be better when the games count.
I don't mind Alberts
Hordichuk is a much worse player IMO.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Sep 29, 2010 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions
Damn
it feels good to be a gangsta.
PC LOAD LETTER? WHAT THE FUCK DOES THAT MEAN?
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Oct 1, 2010 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions
It means Shut Up About Hordichuk Already. Damn.
As soon as you're born you start dying, so you might as well have a good time
No
until he is gone, you will continue to hear my hatred of The Great Pylon.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Oct 1, 2010 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Love the UN line
Hodgson was reasonable enough and actually played decently in the defensive end, but he’ll definitely benefit from a year with the Moose. He lost an entire year of development, let’s not forget that. He and Schroeder should absolutely rip up the AHL, though.
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by kiyotok on Sep 29, 2010 11:24 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Hansen deserves some credit for Tambo’s goal as he won the battle on the boards with a couple guys on him and then sprung Tambo for the breakaway while rushing for the net and drawing a couple defenders.
Tambo’s speed and shot were definitely the most noticeable factors for the goal, but Hansen’s hard work and smart plays were also factors.
I don’t want to get too down on the kid, but where does the “rusty” excuse end? He looked lost, slow and out of place.
It ends sometime around the end of this hockey year, provided he stays healthy for all of it.
Back injuries are brutal. I deal with lots of people that have them on a daily basis (and many with much less severe ones than Cody suffered) and they have a hard time performing their activities of daily living, let alone playing NHL-caliber hockey.
Give him at least the year before we start talking about him making excuses. And maybe longer than that. The kid has already been through way too much.
Clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose.
agreed
Miss a year of hockey, you think two preseason games is gonna be enough to get the rust off? I don’t.
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by Karina on Sep 29, 2010 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions
Hodgson is still a kid…he needs Moose time. Hell, Kesler and Burrows had Moose time…Cody isn’t any better.
Very impressed with Tambellini last night…obvious he has been through this before and knows what he needs to do to win a job.
I agree
I think after a solid season with the Moose CoHo will be good to go
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
Guy Boucher
Fucking nails it; that quote needs to be shared again:
“The reality is you need an enforcer, in my book, if he can play the game. If he can’t play the game it just makes somebody unhappy not playing much. It also prevents some other guys who could bring a lot of stuff on the ice. I’m all for enforcers if they can hog a lot of minutes during the game, use them for penalty kill or against top lines. I don’t like guys sitting on the bench. I use everybody. I use all my four lines. I use all my defense. Everybody has got a role on the team. And when a guy has only that role I don’t feel comfortable about it.”
Let’s just look at the post lockout SC winners (excluding the Wings since Sean already did). Chicago had Eager who at least added a game winner in one of the select games he played, the Pens didn’t have one that I can see and the Canes didn’t so the only team that subscribes to the Hordichuk mentality would be the Ducks who were so heavily penalized in their run it’s tough to point a finger of blame at one person. But they did have Parros who played in five games, had no points, 10 PIMs and more important was even at +/-.
Can Hordichuk kill penalties? No, he showed up in exactly 0.1% of short handed time last season. At even strength, though he had third worst qualcomp of all the forwards, his GAON/60 was 2.69, the same as Raymond except that MayRay had one of the strongest qualcomps, was a second liner and had over double the ice time. And about his true talent of fighting? He hasn’t even been judged to win the two he’s had this preseason and barely won half his tilts last year.
If that’s valuable, then it speaks worse about AV then it does Hordichuk’s obvious lack of value.
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by Yankee Canuck on Sep 29, 2010 6:55 AM PDT reply actions 5 recs
Absolutely
It’s time for AV to wake up. Hordi doesn’t bring anything to team, in fact he takes away from it, and the fact that AV keeps insisting on the guy being around is almost grounds for looking for another coach in my opinion
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
Well put.
Without looking into the Corsi and all that stuff, I am content if Glass is the “enforcer”. I believe he has enough usefulness that he can be the 13th forward.
Hordichuk is a detriment to the team every time he steps on the ice.
Must go.
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Rec'd
Im going to give my spiel on enforcers on the other post.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Sep 29, 2010 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions
Hodgson not ready
I had high hopes for the kid coming into the pre-season, but wasn’t overly shocked with his performance, or lack thereof. He was given every opportunity to shine last night, and he coasted. The “being rusty” excuse holds no appeal – everyone was rusty at the start of camp, but the guys who wanted to play showed up, Cody hasn’t. He was given the extra chance. Maybe next year, again.
As for an enforcer with hands, Ripper wins!!
ripper would win
if he was about 4 inches taller and 40 pounds heavier…and therein lies the problem. We all love rypien, but he’s just not big enough; i agree with many that the guy should be glass, but I think it’s time we all just come to terms with the fact that we get the bundle of suck we call hordi for another season. As I said last night if we have to keep one of our dumbfucks, I prefer hordi over say bieksa, cuz hordi’s ice time is 4 minutes a game instead of 24… In a perfect world we could send both of them to the KHL, or better yet, chicago.
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Welcome to the site
I have to say though, the difference with “rust” and CoHo is that all those other guys were rusty, but they weren’t 20 years old and trying to make the jump straight from junior to the NHL and coming off a major back injury that wiped out more than a year of hockey experience.
Clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose.
Exactly
The gap between summer off-season rust and missed-entire-year-of-development rust is miles wide.
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Aw geez.
I don’t want to get too down on the kid, but where does the “rusty” excuse end? He looked lost, slow and out of place.
Zan I just generally don’t agree with the tone in your analysis. The kid has never played a professional regulation game in his career, and you’re frustrated with him that the NHL isn’t his first stop? We spend a lot of time here complaining about the over-the-top ridiculousness of the MSM hounding the Hodgson “story” to a crazy level, but we too need to give him waaaaay more slack.
For a prospect to require 1 year, or at least part of a year, of AHL experience is nothing to be concerned about. Chill. Especially if he is coming off a year where he barely played hockey.
by Beantown Canuck on Sep 29, 2010 8:18 AM PDT reply actions
agree
and yet, I too am frustrated with his lack of compete out there so far. I’ve said it before tho, and i’ll say it again…it’s never bad for a young kid to spend one more year on the moose; it doesn’t stunt there development. On the contrary, I’d rather wait one year and have him come in as a superstar than watch 3 years of him as an average canuck who ‘shoulda spent one more year on development’.
"F#ck eco-anything, f#ck your tatoos. F#ck all you junkies and f#ck your short memories."
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there = their, before the spelling nazis jump on me.
"F#ck eco-anything, f#ck your tatoos. F#ck all you junkies and f#ck your short memories."
"You'll be playing in England the rest of your career" Alex Burrows
"When I shake it, I shake it all up, You probably think that my pants have the mumps. It's just my sugarlumps bump ba bump.They look so good, that's why I keep 'em in the front" FotC
Yep
Not every young guy is going to be a Sidney Crosby or Alex Ovechkin. Spend a year on the Moose, get back up to speed after the injury, get some experience against real men, and then see where he’s at. If he doesn’t look good next year I think we have reason to be worried.
It’s a very, very large jump to go right from Juniors to the NHL and succeed, and very few can do it well.
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Everyone remember, it wasn’t until their 5th season in the league that the Sedins became top 6 players. It took Markus Naslund 6 years in the league. It took Todd Bertuzzi 6 years. Bure was our only superstar who was a superstar from NHL game 1. Let’s all chill!
by Beantown Canuck on Sep 29, 2010 8:29 AM PDT up reply actions
you chill!
We all know the Sedins suck.
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by Yankee Canuck on Sep 29, 2010 8:33 AM PDT up reply actions
I meant more that if he looks as lost/confused as he has this year next year it wouldn’t be good. Obviously I don’t expect him to come in next season and score 80+ points just because he spent one year developing…but that would be pretty nice!
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
I wouldn’t even say he looked lost or confused on the ice. He was actually in the right places at the right times and making good reads and he obviously has the head for the NHL game. He does seem tentative, as anyone coming off a major injury might be. I think being with the Moose will do wonders for his confidence, which seems to be the issue more than being lost/confused.
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Beantown, of course you don’t like my tone. But I stand by it. Twitchy said it, “lack of compete”. I agree with that. Hodgson was the worst Canuck. I was frustrated with his game but I’m also frustrated with the hype not adding up. So don’t read too much into it. I’m not going to sit here and bash the kid all year or anything.
It’s frustrating to watch. He looked just as bad now as he did with a bad back last preseason
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by Sean Zandberg on Sep 29, 2010 9:16 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, I completely disagree. Hodgson this pre-season is much, much better than last pre-season.
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by skeeter_dan on Sep 29, 2010 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions
hardly if at all
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by Sean Zandberg on Sep 29, 2010 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions
“Lack of compete”?
Rust. Barely played hockey in last year and was hurt while doing so.
He’s gotta get back up to actual NHL shape.
Clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose.
I dunno
I get rusty… I can live with it. I don’t get a sometimes too relaxed and tentative step out there…and that’s how it felt. It may be a confidence thing, but there were a few times where he seemed to be just floating a bit…a few times where he was powering thru as well. But he’s a kid, fighting for a spot. I wanna see kesler levels of desire for 60 minutes, not just when kesler and raymond are booming down the ice with the puck. There was a reason he got downshifted thru the lines, and I don’t think it was just his wheels. And yes, alot of that could be rust causing a confidence/stamina/muscle control issue, but at the end of the day we need to be results oriented, and the optics show a lack of compete. I’m not saying it’s not justified after mostly a year off and shitload of pain. I’m just saying it was there.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m a fan, and can’t wait to see him in the top six kicking ass and taking names. We are a deep enough team that it’s nice to have the ability to give him some time on the moose grabbing first line minutes and winning awards.
"F#ck eco-anything, f#ck your tatoos. F#ck all you junkies and f#ck your short memories."
"You'll be playing in England the rest of your career" Alex Burrows
"When I shake it, I shake it all up, You probably think that my pants have the mumps. It's just my sugarlumps bump ba bump.They look so good, that's why I keep 'em in the front" FotC
Totally different
kind of player, those guys’ ability lies with their speed, with others physicality, Hodgson is a playmaker, a thinker first, he’s played 2 friggen games after a 14 month injury, all with completely new teammates, give him a break.
How do you tell when blue cheese has gone bad?
Someone’s drinking the CoHo koolaid :)
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by Sean Zandberg on Sep 29, 2010 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m wearing my Hodgson Huggies all season long.
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by Yankee Canuck on Sep 29, 2010 8:28 AM PDT up reply actions
Hodgson would make this team if we had a lineup like we had a few years ago. Let’s be thankful that our top 9 is too good for him to crack a spot! Get him first line minutes with the Moose. Develop some chemistry with Sweatt, Schroeder, and friends.
by Beantown Canuck on Sep 29, 2010 8:33 AM PDT up reply actions
Right. Speaks to our depth that he doesn’t have to (piggybacking off a discussion from yesterday over “whether or not we have depth”).
Clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose.
Believe me, I AM thankful for our top 9. You make a good point.
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by Sean Zandberg on Sep 29, 2010 9:17 AM PDT up reply actions
a pleasure to be in agreement with you, yoata
by Beantown Canuck on Sep 29, 2010 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Try it more often
daily even, it’ll make you feel better… like getting your fibre… ; )
How do you tell when blue cheese has gone bad?
Sort of like an apple a day?
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Fibre
Does indeed make me feel better
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
I’m getting a little older, and will change it to a glass of Metamucil instead.
Makes me feel better too.
;-)
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mmm kristinnnn
reidder Kristin Reid
Canucks expected lineup tonight in SJ: Sweatt-Hodgson-Torres/ Schaefer-Bolduc-Hansen/ Tamby-Morrison-Desbiens/ Hordi-Perrault-Oreskovich
"F#ck eco-anything, f#ck your tatoos. F#ck all you junkies and f#ck your short memories."
"You'll be playing in England the rest of your career" Alex Burrows
"When I shake it, I shake it all up, You probably think that my pants have the mumps. It's just my sugarlumps bump ba bump.They look so good, that's why I keep 'em in the front" FotC
also
reidder Kristin Reid
Expected D tonight: O’Brien-Rome/ Ballard-L.Sweatt/ Hamhuis-Ehrhoff Eddie Lack will play full 60, backed up by Schneider
"F#ck eco-anything, f#ck your tatoos. F#ck all you junkies and f#ck your short memories."
"You'll be playing in England the rest of your career" Alex Burrows
"When I shake it, I shake it all up, You probably think that my pants have the mumps. It's just my sugarlumps bump ba bump.They look so good, that's why I keep 'em in the front" FotC
Hah
Of course TSN chooses to televise this one…yikes. Going to be a rough night, I’m guessing.
Clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose.
no bieksa on defence
so we might not suck too harsh. Also if he has to, morrison will carry the team offensively. or he might not.
"F#ck eco-anything, f#ck your tatoos. F#ck all you junkies and f#ck your short memories."
"You'll be playing in England the rest of your career" Alex Burrows
"When I shake it, I shake it all up, You probably think that my pants have the mumps. It's just my sugarlumps bump ba bump.They look so good, that's why I keep 'em in the front" FotC
Lambs to the slaughter!
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by Yankee Canuck on Sep 29, 2010 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions
Are the Sharks
Icing a near full team again?
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
Hodgson's best chance
Skating on the top-line with Sweatt and Torres will likely be Cody’s best chance to prove he belongs with the team. Don’t see it happening, especially if Tamby and Morrison light things up and get more minutes.
Hordi-Perrault-Oreskovich could, unfortunately, be the Canucks 4th-line to start the season. That’ll be interesting to watch as well.
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by skeeter_dan on Sep 29, 2010 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions
No kidding
Newell Brown has obviously brought some interesting new ideas with him and I think the Sedins will thrive on the PP this year.
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by skeeter_dan on Sep 29, 2010 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions
I was saying it a lot about a year ago at this time
and I will say it again. Another year of playing in the CHL was always going to stunt Hodgson’s development. He had nothing left to prove at that level. He was a man against boys for the most part. So there was that. Plus then he missed almost a whole year of hockey in one of his key developmental years due to a serious back injury. And as we all know having a back injury makes life very difficult. This kid is fully a year behind now in the development of his game. As soon as he was sent back to juniors last year I predicted this would happen.
Here is a direct quote from me from this exact date one year ago. “If you think Hodgson is making this team next year you clearly haven’t paid enough attention to the progress of top level prospects in the NHL. It’s not your fault because the Canucks rarely have a prospect that fits this mold…..Mark my words Cody Hodgson has months and months of AHL hockey to look forward to next year before he ever gets a shot with the big club.”
I won’t post the reply I got from smoboy to spare his blushes. ;)
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by Section 312 on Sep 29, 2010 10:53 AM PDT reply actions
Another year of playing in the CHL was always going to stunt Hodgson’s development. He had nothing left to prove at that level. He was a man against boys for the most part. So there was that.
I believe that due to the agreement between the NHL and the CHL, that year he was sent down was the Canucks’ only option besides the NHL.
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by Karina on Sep 29, 2010 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions
True
I am not saying the Canucks had a better option in terms of where to send him. But this is what happens when a guy has to go back to the CHL when he is close to NHL ready. The same thing happened to Luc Bourdon when he went back as a 19 year old and stagnated. The NHL and PA need to come up with a better solution.
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by Section 312 on Sep 29, 2010 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions
I agree
I don’t see why they shouldn’t be able to bring them into the AHL right away. If they can jump straight into the NHL, why not the lower leagues?
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
It's an agreement
with the CHL that if the guy isn’t good enough for the big show he goes back to junior to help the team out that developed him. This is important for the success (both financially and on the ice) of junior teams not to be constantly robbed of all of their best talent right after it blooms just so it can go to a minor pro team.
Myself I am in favour of it being that way right through their junior eligibility instead of just the first year after the draft, and would like to see mandatory WJC “lending” as well.
How do you tell when blue cheese has gone bad?
I didn't actually know that until now
I knew that they couldn’t go to the AHL, but wasn’t completely sure why.
When you say mandatory WJC lending, you mean having all WJC eligible players in the NHL play for their respective countries no matter what, right?
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
Exactly
Hadn’t thought about WJC lending…I don’t care too much about the WJC. I think the only countries that do are Canada and Canada anyways.
Clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose.
I love teh WJC
Terrific hockey played by exhuberant talent representing the best in the world.
Wonderful stuff.
How do you tell when blue cheese has gone bad?
Me too
Around the time it happens it is most of the time better hockey than the NHL.
I remember being in the bowling alley watching the Canada-Russia game when Eberle scored with 5 seconds left. We went crazy, and I think everyone else there gave us strange looks. But screw them. I’ve watched it every year and it never disappoints. Except for the damn US last year.
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
Yeah but
like I said, look at how many eligible players weren’t there for Canada because they were already in the NHL, not to mention Hodgson. Canada has an amazing record at the WJC despite almost always being without several or even a half dozen or more of their very best.
How do you tell when blue cheese has gone bad?
Canada and Canada? Was that an purposeful mistake? I think Russia, and the USA is starting to, care. Maybe not in the sense that residents really care I guess though.
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
Yes, purposeful. I like watching the tournament, but it feels like a Canadian event. I am certain that Canada cares way way more about that tournament than the rest of the other countries combined (although I’m sure the Americans are slowly gaining interest).
Clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose.
Yes, it pretty much is that way, but that’s they way it is with hockey in general in Canada.
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
The kids
play with such passion, how can you not watch….
With 5 seconds to go, destiny panics…
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Sep 29, 2010 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions
I’d say “good call” but I see you pumped your tires full enough
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by Sean Zandberg on Sep 29, 2010 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions
@Section
Oh, I forgot..
:)
Seriously though, good insight. A back injury like that, it’s gotta be a tough one mentally. Who knows what’s going on in Hodgson’s mind right now? Only God knows for sure.
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by Sean Zandberg on Sep 29, 2010 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions
Only God knows for sure
Hodgson is God now?
by Beantown Canuck on Sep 29, 2010 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Oh yes
Or at least he will be again next training camp.
by sunshine and lollipops on Sep 29, 2010 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Well he makes a lot of mistakes and doesn’t show up when you want him to so….
fits the profile, no?
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by Sean Zandberg on Sep 29, 2010 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions
My word I hope he doesn’t read your comments on this blog.
God or CoHo.
Clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose.
He wouldn’t catch my sarcasm
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by Sean Zandberg on Sep 29, 2010 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Even if he did, I’m not tip toeing around this matter.
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by Sean Zandberg on Sep 29, 2010 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions
You really need to get off Hodgson
out for most of a year in a key part of his development as a hockey player and after limited practice in the preseason he has played what 2 games? And hasn’t looked awful in either. I would say that’s actually pretty good all things considered.
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by Section 312 on Sep 29, 2010 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions
as much as you think I should get off Hodgson I think many of you need to get on him. I get the whole year off thing. I get how Tyler Myers or Zach Bogosian, who were drafted in the same year, have 1 more year under their belt and are better at this level. You say “he hasn’t looked awful”, well isn’t that just fine and dandy. I say he looks the same as last season, and last season he had back issues. I think he could, even under the circumstances play quite a bit better regardless. Did you see a satisfactory compete level? I have not seen much of it at all. He could at least do that.
On top of this, like I said before, something stinks. Just a hunch. Maybe his back isn’t all there even though it has been proclaimed that it is 100% ready.
At least he’ll center a top line tonight and we’ll go from there. I’d love to see further improvement and I AM pulling for the kid, don’t get me wrong.
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by Sean Zandberg on Sep 29, 2010 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Get ON a 20 year old kid who hasn't played much hocley in the last year??
and is still our top prospect? Why on Earth should we get on him? If he isn’t ready for the NHL oh well. We are deep enough without him and have a cup contender. We can afford to wait a year or two for him to get back on track after his serious back issue. Why get on him? Why not let him work through his issues with support from the fans? Or should we boo him Carey Price style and hope we ruin his career in the process? He won’t even be 21 until February for Pete’s sake.
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by Section 312 on Sep 29, 2010 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions
You’re missing my point. You tell me I need to get off Hodgson and I’m saying that he played like shit the last 2 games and given the circumstances with his absence from hockey it is somewhat justified but I think he could still play better. Not “make the team or die” better, I just mean better than what I saw last night and the game before. His work ethic / overall play obviously stunk enough that he was repeatedly demoted against the Sharks.
ANYFUCKINGWAYS: I’m sick of this argument. I’m not backing down. Hodgson will get another chance tonight. Let’s see how he does. Like skeeter said below:
If he stinks it up in the AHL, then there’s an issue worth talking about
I get that and I agree. Like I said, I’m not going to bag on the kid all year. But I will watch him closely.
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by Sean Zandberg on Sep 29, 2010 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Is it possible that
AV was trying him out on different lines to see how he played in different situations and with different line mates? I mean plus 1, a couple shots and playing a role in a goal is not what I would call awful or playing like shit.
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by Section 312 on Sep 29, 2010 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions
The +1 surprised me when I saw it last night. The AV shuffling..I don’t know because Cody only played 11.5 minutes.
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by Sean Zandberg on Sep 29, 2010 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions
People’s perspectives of what they saw during the game vary of course. I believe that he could have done better all circumstances considered. He looked perimeter to me. His 2 shots hardly count. One was him coming in on a 1 on 1 and he just shot it from just inside the blue line. A waster.
One of the things I have to be careful about in my own opinions and analysis’ is what yoata keeps alluding to, and that is that Hodgson is a playmaker, a skilled guy. He’s not a grinder. His strengths are in his intelligent plays. Fair enough. But what starts to bother me is that to make the Canucks you can’t just be skilled. You HAVE to grind. All our top 6 forwards grind. Hell, even Mason Raymond grinds and who would have thought that a few years ago? I think in that aspect I feel CoHo didn’t do enough. I need to watch a bunch of Moose games this year to see what he is all about, because my opinions are from viewing 2 preseason games at the NHL level, yes, with rust as part of the equation. So that is what I will do.
But if Datsyuk and Zetterberg learned to play physical and a strong 2-way game then the same applies to Hodgson. Pretty passes are not going to cut it.
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by Sean Zandberg on Sep 29, 2010 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't disagree
but is he supposed to have learned to play that grind style that you want us to play and think we do play in the two or three practices he has had? It is going to take some time for him to learn to play a new way. And he hasn’t had a lot of time to do that learning in.
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by Section 312 on Sep 29, 2010 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree. I don’t expect miracles over 2 preseason games. I just wanted to see more hustle, which you don’t need 2 preseason games to accomplish. But that was just my take from what I saw last night.
BTW, glad we can remain civil
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by Sean Zandberg on Sep 29, 2010 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes
I was actually waiting for the shit to hit fan during this whole dialogue.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Sep 29, 2010 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions
What? Why? I am always civil
yoata sometimes aside.
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by Section 312 on Sep 29, 2010 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Sometimes
when we don’t agree with you you tell us that if we don’t understand your point then there is no point having this conversation. Or something like that.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Sep 29, 2010 5:03 PM PDT up reply actions
But I do it in a civil way
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by Section 312 on Sep 29, 2010 5:06 PM PDT up reply actions
oh god
shit to hit the fan*
Beantown please spare me.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Sep 29, 2010 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't agree
that all of our top 6 grind, the Sedins are in no way grinders, yes they work along the boards but it’s a puck possession game, not a physical game or a speed game, I think we are used to and expect our young prospects to " battle" for their chance, but the truly gifted players don’t play that. I still say give him a bit more time and some opportunities at centre in a scoring role with some decent players and his abilities will come through.
How do you tell when blue cheese has gone bad?
I am not even convinced he has been that bad
maybe not living up to expectations but that was unlikely anyway. He has been good defensively. That’s enough to get AVs attention at the very least.
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by Section 312 on Sep 29, 2010 6:05 PM PDT up reply actions
The Twins do everything differently, and this is no different. They grind ( semantics…i get it, kind of like the “gritty” post Mike did), but in a different way.
Yes, they hit a little more than when they first joined the team. But that way that they isolate a defender, or slip a check to get to the place bro’ is going to put the puck is artistry.
So many other fanbases bemoan that they “run a fucking pick every fucking time…can’t you guys see that!!!!??”
Its not a pick, but it is positioning and finding the puck. They might have the best stick(s) along the boards on the team.
And yes, listening to that fat f%*k Pratt and even Taylor writing the kid off after two preseason games coming back from a 14 month rehab is so ridiculous it is not worth discussing. I turned them off. ( again…a habit. You listening Mr. TEAM?)
Even at the speed he is playing ( like I said above, its just mental.)..he’ll get a little faster, and you can coach that a bit with skating coaches, but he was drafted and rated so high because of the way he thinks the game.
Once he just goes, look for the improvement. My guess is he takes that step and dominates the AHL on a line with Sweatt and Schredder.
But it will be fun to see when he puts it together here.
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The Twins do everything differently, and this is no different. They grind ( semantics…i get it, kind of like the "gritty" post Mike did), but in a different way.
Yes, and that is what I was getting at. That is still “grinding” to me, anyway
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by Sean Zandberg on Sep 29, 2010 7:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Just because
his back is 100% doesn’t mean he’s 100% up to speed, ffs he has a lot to adjust to and catch up on just in terms of training camp alone, the rest of these guys have been practicing and playing together for a month if not years, he’s had about a week.
What exactly do you expect in terms of “compete level”?
You expect him to go out there like Alex Burrows, fly around, throw his body at people, etc? That’s not his game, but he is trying hard to get open (though out of sync) trying hard to distribute the puck intelligently, and on more than one occassion backchecking responsibly, I also saw him hustle hard to the bench for a chance more than once which is alwyas a good sign imo.
How do you tell when blue cheese has gone bad?
What matter?
Seriously, Zan, this is a non-issue. The guy missed a year of development and still doesn’t look out-of-place on NHL ice in the 2 pre-season games he’s played in so far. It’s two pre-season games, dude, stop treating it like he’s not showing up in the Stanley Cup finals.
If he stinks it up in the AHL, then there’s an issue worth talking about. As is, he’s a 20-year-old kid who’s not quite ready for the big show. It’s worth talking about, but it’s hardly worth slamming him repeatedly.
Canucks fans talking about the Canucks: Pass it To Bulis!
I think maybe Zanman
just needs a good hug. Come on everybody. NM group hug at Sean’s place.
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by Section 312 on Sep 29, 2010 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions
haha…nice guy.
Yeah, I need a group hug.
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by Sean Zandberg on Sep 29, 2010 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions
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by Yankee Canuck on Sep 29, 2010 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions
the one on the right
is like…‘hey that looks like a way better hug over in that group…fuck you guys’.
"F#ck eco-anything, f#ck your tatoos. F#ck all you junkies and f#ck your short memories."
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Did I miss out?
(aside from getting groped by Section)
How do you tell when blue cheese has gone bad?
Oh sorry yoata we scheduled it for
that day that you are busy. Sorry.
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by Section 312 on Sep 29, 2010 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions
the rest of ours'
too
"F#ck eco-anything, f#ck your tatoos. F#ck all you junkies and f#ck your short memories."
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"When I shake it, I shake it all up, You probably think that my pants have the mumps. It's just my sugarlumps bump ba bump.They look so good, that's why I keep 'em in the front" FotC
Throws stone
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by Sean Zandberg on Sep 29, 2010 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Catches it
and throws it right back. If there’s a pitch into the wheelhouse at NM, there will most likely be a swing for the fences. I’m not thinking my comment is any more provocative than any others in this particular thread… don’t read a spirit into a comment that isn’t there…
"F#ck eco-anything, f#ck your tatoos. F#ck all you junkies and f#ck your short memories."
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"When I shake it, I shake it all up, You probably think that my pants have the mumps. It's just my sugarlumps bump ba bump.They look so good, that's why I keep 'em in the front" FotC
OK! :)
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by Sean Zandberg on Sep 29, 2010 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions
:P
Also, don’t worry about coho he’ll be fine as a moose or a canuck… in the meantime let’s just win a damn cup.
"F#ck eco-anything, f#ck your tatoos. F#ck all you junkies and f#ck your short memories."
"You'll be playing in England the rest of your career" Alex Burrows
"When I shake it, I shake it all up, You probably think that my pants have the mumps. It's just my sugarlumps bump ba bump.They look so good, that's why I keep 'em in the front" FotC
And then
whines about getting “pissed on” when that same stone hits him in the yap.
How do you tell when blue cheese has gone bad?
just had to go wreck the positive vibes, didn’t ya?
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by Sean Zandberg on Sep 29, 2010 6:19 PM PDT up reply actions
are
you surprised?
"F#ck eco-anything, f#ck your tatoos. F#ck all you junkies and f#ck your short memories."
"You'll be playing in England the rest of your career" Alex Burrows
"When I shake it, I shake it all up, You probably think that my pants have the mumps. It's just my sugarlumps bump ba bump.They look so good, that's why I keep 'em in the front" FotC
I was pumped about his use of
“yap” which is just a vastly under appreciated word.
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by Section 312 on Sep 29, 2010 6:28 PM PDT up reply actions
oh god
you’re killing my buzz dude.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Sep 29, 2010 6:34 PM PDT up reply actions
I think Sean should ban them both
I am tired of him having to babysit those two.
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by Section 312 on Sep 29, 2010 6:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh and drink more then!!!!!!!
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by Section 312 on Sep 29, 2010 6:36 PM PDT up reply actions
This solves all problems normally
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
Yes, I guess
I certainly have a ban coming for what I said. How rude of me to say exactly what he just said to all of us. Worse, I said it in light humour, and said as much. God forbid I say anything in any thread yoata is in, lest he get insulted and throw a cheap shot out at me. If I couldn’t take it I would just leave; in most cases it’s kinda funny; especially when he thinks it’ll insult me to call me silly little names…trust me yoata, i’ve been called much worse by much better people…
and section…that one wasn’t tongue in cheek, was it?
"F#ck eco-anything, f#ck your tatoos. F#ck all you junkies and f#ck your short memories."
"You'll be playing in England the rest of your career" Alex Burrows
"When I shake it, I shake it all up, You probably think that my pants have the mumps. It's just my sugarlumps bump ba bump.They look so good, that's why I keep 'em in the front" FotC
cease fire! cease fire!
WHOA!!!
They’ll hash it out eventually. We don’t carry a huge ban hammer here. We are passive Westerners
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by Sean Zandberg on Sep 29, 2010 7:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Thank you sean, and sorry all
seriously, apologies to everyone. This all started because he chose to come into the thread i read and use it as a forum to spew his trolly shit against me. I probably shoulda just ignored him then, but I didn’t. If he had balls he’d write something himself instead of trying to make other people feel shitty for telling a little about themselves, it would be slightly more valid (although not much…i haven’t seen anyone else in here slag anyone over their 5 reasons posts). I’m pretty sure he’ll never see why it makes him so easily dis-likeable, and i’m just gonna do my best to ignore him.
I know he’ll make some response to this comment filled with venom and e-thuggery, and good for him. I really wish everyone wouldn’t be so tender around him, I’m not the first and won’t be the last person he’s gotten into it with here and as long as he gets the egg walking afterwards he’ll continue to do it. Personally, I’m done…this kid’s just not worth the aggravation. Especially at a forum where we’re all supposed to have a common cause.
I can disagree with virtually anyone in here, and it’s always light hearted and often humorous (looking at you section and anyone who likes arcade fire), it’s one of many reasons this is a preferred hangout to, say CDC. For whatever reason yoata just needs to see every disagreement with him as a reason to lash out, and I just don’t respond well to seeing that, against me or against others.
Anyways, i’ve said my piece, made a fool of myself, and acted like an immature kid. Now I’m done and gonna drink beer and watch hockey
"F#ck eco-anything, f#ck your tatoos. F#ck all you junkies and f#ck your short memories."
"You'll be playing in England the rest of your career" Alex Burrows
"When I shake it, I shake it all up, You probably think that my pants have the mumps. It's just my sugarlumps bump ba bump.They look so good, that's why I keep 'em in the front" FotC
You
duplicitous snake, what I said was clearly a joke, and would never have been directed at you. When I’m ready to joke around with you I’ll let you know Bandwagon.
How do you tell when blue cheese has gone bad?
FFS
this is childish.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Sep 30, 2010 12:28 AM PDT up reply actions
Of course it was tongue in cheek
I love having you around Twitchy. yoata too. You guys bring a lot to this forum and I wouldn’t want that taken away.
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by Section 312 on Sep 29, 2010 11:39 PM PDT up reply actions
"You have to ask the coach. I don't read anything into it. I just play."
I think that’s a professional and appropriate response. And I believe him.
Well, there is something to read into it: he wasn’t good enough to play on the top 9.
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by Sean Zandberg on Sep 29, 2010 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions
meh
Maybe if AV didn’t have ADD when it comes to line juggling.
How do you tell when blue cheese has gone bad?
there was a point where I was thinking AV should have tried Hodgson on the PP more. What would that have hurt?
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by Sean Zandberg on Sep 29, 2010 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions
ADD with line juggling
is one thing. But there is a question to be asked about AV’s motivation in regards to helping CoHo succeed. I mean AV does have a history with this player and it would maybe make him feel better if CoHo doesn’t make this team. Maybe he feels that would justify his comments from last year in some way?
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by Section 312 on Sep 29, 2010 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions
I think
AV wants what is best for CoHo and all his players.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Sep 29, 2010 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions
I think AV wants what is best
for AV and his reputation and pay packet. He is human after all and looking out for number 1 is what we do.
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by Section 312 on Sep 29, 2010 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Seems overly cynical
but whatever.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Sep 29, 2010 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions
I am just asking the question
he is human after all and he fucked up last year when he called this kid out. Him not making the team might make AV feel like he was right way back then.
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by Section 312 on Sep 29, 2010 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions
I think your question is very valid, Section. That concept has been bothering me all day. I wonder if there is some serious animosity between those 2.
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by Sean Zandberg on Sep 29, 2010 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions
If that is the case then my “something stinks” comment a few weeks ago rings true. I still think something stinks.
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by Sean Zandberg on Sep 29, 2010 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions
It has been bothering me a little all day too
like why not keeping him with Kesler the whole game and give him some ice time and let him develop some chemistry with his line mates? Why not give him some PP time which is where he excelled at the Junior level? I can’t think of many reasons not to do those things.
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by Section 312 on Sep 29, 2010 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions
like, maybe he scores ONE goal and his confidence shoots through the roof. SOMETHING, you know?
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by Sean Zandberg on Sep 29, 2010 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions
that is the best part about tonight’s game. Hodgson gets a crack at the top line and will get PP time. Look forward to it
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by Sean Zandberg on Sep 29, 2010 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't think he's Darryl Sutter
he doesn’t need to be right all the time.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Sep 29, 2010 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Well then you have a different read on the guy than I do
I get the feeling he is very much in that mold that he is always right and everyone else be damned. I mean he does call his players out in the media a lot and to me that shows an aspect of his character which is basically I am right you are wrong now shut up and play.
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"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
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by Section 312 on Sep 29, 2010 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions
I think
SOB and Wellfed would be gone if his ego was as big as you say.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Sep 29, 2010 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Anyone noted...
That Hodgson is playing wing when he’s a natural centre?
In addition to conditioning/experience/rust issues, the guy is playing out of position in a new system.
I’d cut him some slack. He has one of the few players not in the minuses in edmonton, and one meh outing against the sharks is hardly crucifixition material.
One meh outing
where he still had a hand in a goal and was a plus 1.
In Darcy Hordichuk’s world that’s the best game you can ever possibly have.
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by Section 312 on Sep 29, 2010 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Darcy's world
is one void of hockey skills.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Sep 29, 2010 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions
VAN is slammed with centers, especially if we add Morrison somehow. Better opportunities for him if he can play the wing.
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by Yankee Canuck on Sep 29, 2010 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions
for no particular reason
i’m rolling my eyes…
"F#ck eco-anything, f#ck your tatoos. F#ck all you junkies and f#ck your short memories."
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"When I shake it, I shake it all up, You probably think that my pants have the mumps. It's just my sugarlumps bump ba bump.They look so good, that's why I keep 'em in the front" FotC
OT
The Connecticut Whalers released their new logo…it’s like the Flames and the Ducks had a baby in Canucks colors…
"F#ck eco-anything, f#ck your tatoos. F#ck all you junkies and f#ck your short memories."
"You'll be playing in England the rest of your career" Alex Burrows
"When I shake it, I shake it all up, You probably think that my pants have the mumps. It's just my sugarlumps bump ba bump.They look so good, that's why I keep 'em in the front" FotC
er...by ducks
i meant dolphins…cuz you know, they’re similar animals in the same sport on the same side of the continent and all…
/me blushes…
"F#ck eco-anything, f#ck your tatoos. F#ck all you junkies and f#ck your short memories."
"You'll be playing in England the rest of your career" Alex Burrows
"When I shake it, I shake it all up, You probably think that my pants have the mumps. It's just my sugarlumps bump ba bump.They look so good, that's why I keep 'em in the front" FotC
The "C"
is birthing the whale.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Sep 29, 2010 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Also
review of Canucks at 40…no Cliff Ronning or Tony Tanti? and no Burke?
"F#ck eco-anything, f#ck your tatoos. F#ck all you junkies and f#ck your short memories."
"You'll be playing in England the rest of your career" Alex Burrows
"When I shake it, I shake it all up, You probably think that my pants have the mumps. It's just my sugarlumps bump ba bump.They look so good, that's why I keep 'em in the front" FotC
No one else has posed this question, so I will:
Is it possible that a year spent playing with the likes of Kesler, Raymond, Malhotra, and Torres would be better for Hodgson’s long term development than a year in the A? Personally, I think this is the most important question in the decision on CoHo. If the answer is “yes,” then I think we should keep him here. Do I think he’s been better than Morrison or Tambo? Clearly, no. Do I think he has more upside? Obviously, yes. I’m operating on the assumption that the Canucks will win the Northwest regardless of which of these guys fills out the top 6. If you disagree with that premise, maybe this doesn’t make sense. If you’re with me on that point, though, then you might agree that the only thing that really matters is how that 6th forward is playing in the spring.
We all know the kind of ability that Cody’s got. I was at the game last night, and I was shocked to see him miss the net with almost every shot he took in the warmups. The kid has got to get his head on straight. I think they should give him time to do that, and I think it should be at this level. I’m not talking a half-dozen games, either; I’m talking 20-30 games, minimum. If he’s useless, maybe you send him down. If he can find his game by the second half of the year, though, I think his vision and skill set will be a huge boost for this team down the stretch and into the playoffs. I also think a year of NHL experience could make him an impact player next year, when we’ll be poised for another Cup run.
We’ve all been talking about the luxuries we have in dealing with a prospect of this calibre because of our depth up front. I completely agree. That’s why I think we can afford to let him fight his way through this. As has been pointed out, he’s working his way back into game shape after a brutal year, and he’s been mediocre. He hasn’t cost his team a thing when he’s been out there, and that’s as bad as I think we’ll see him look. Now let’s find out how good he can look when he’s up to speed.
you say “another Cup run”, but there is a lot of heat to win it NOW. The best players should play NOW. Those players are BMO and Tambellini.
I like your comment though, and it’s something to consider. It’s just not going to happen. At least, not now. Maybe he performs well in Manitoba and gets a call-up and plays superb with the guys you mentioned. Hey, I’m all up for that!
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by Sean Zandberg on Sep 29, 2010 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m not suggesting we sacrifice this season for next. I have no problem giving up a little in October-December for the sake of February-June and into 2012, though. My take on Schneider is similar: I don’t really care how much he sucks in the first half of the season (not that I expect him to), I still want him to get his starts. I am completely taking for granted a playoff birth, and I think he needs to play in order to mature into what we need in the future. It may seem like a sacrifice of the present for the sake of the future, but it won’t hurt us one bit come playoff time, which is the only thing that matters in this town any more. Luongo needs the rest, regardless of how Schneider is playing. It’s a separate argument, but a similar philosophy.
As for the likelihood of CoHo sticking around, I agree with you, but I’m not concerning myself with that fact. This is a great forum for me to state what I think should be done, not just what I think will be done.
by Canuckle Head on Sep 29, 2010 6:16 PM PDT up reply actions
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