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"I don't know exactly where I'll fit in, but what I will bring is depth and versatility. I have played the wing with [Nicklas] Backstrom and [Alex] Ovechkin, so it's not completely foreign to me. I see myself as a guy who can fit on any line, and any role they present me with is one that I'm willing to take on."

That's what I wanted to hear. I don't want him as a centre, but if he can prove in the pre-season that he can fit on the wing and he outplays the youngsters gunning for the spot, I wouldn't mind seeing him on the third line with Malhotra and Torres.

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I still don’t see it happening. If he was 3 inches taller, then maybe as 4th line centre.

by Beantown Canuck on Sep 17, 2010 12:53 PM PDT reply actions  

“I wish I was a little bit taller.”

by marcness52 on Sep 18, 2010 1:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

Do you think he wishes he were a baller?

Hockey: The best and most entertaining sport out there. PERIOD!

by spriteofice on Sep 18, 2010 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

He wishes if he had a girl who looked good, he would call her.

A creep from the cradle, but a hero's what I want to be

by Smoboy41 on Sep 19, 2010 6:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Really? Mo played on the same line as Ovie and Backs for a while?

by adiderek on Sep 17, 2010 1:25 PM PDT reply actions  

I don’t think for a while. Key word “I have played”. That just means it’s happened at least once.

by Beantown Canuck on Sep 17, 2010 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dobber Hockey as good stuff (under Fantasy Tools, line combinations). Link

2.08% of his shifts were with Backstrom and Ovechkin (and another forward) on the power play. 0.49% was plain old Ovechkin-Backstrom-Morrison. 0.12% was Morrison-Ovechkin-Backstrom and another forward at evens (my guess is a pulled goalie situation, probably delayed penalty). 0.2% was the three and another forward shorthanded (okay…???). Looks like another 0.1% was 4-man PP. Another 0.06% at evens. (Wow, Boudreau shifts lines a lot more than I thought). Another 0.06% SH and 0.04% on the PP. 0.04% at EV. 0.02% SH. Another 0.04% at evens. 0.02 on the PP, 0.02 on the PK. Finally done.
Total with AO and Backstrom: 3.31%

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by red army line on Sep 19, 2010 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

I have

a bad feeling about this.

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by Chuckles Canuckles on Sep 17, 2010 2:26 PM PDT reply actions  

He can play in the top 6 with Burrows out. But if he can’t because Peter Schaefer can, well I’m ok with that too

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by Sean Zandberg on Sep 17, 2010 2:32 PM PDT reply actions  

I see B-Mo having a better shot than P-Shaf

by Beantown Canuck on Sep 17, 2010 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

I say I’ll wait and see before I call that one. Morrison does come with less baggage in a sense, and he scored 42 points while Peter Schaefer rotted in the minors

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by Sean Zandberg on Sep 17, 2010 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree with you on this. Bmo over Schaefer, but whether he can steal a job from Hansen / Prospect or Glass / Rypien remains to be seen.

I disagree however with your opinion that he is 3 inches too small. From a 4th line center prospective, I think he brings more to the table than Rypien, who’s currently projected to be our 4th line center, and is the same height. Morrison is a better faceoff man, PK’er, and also has more offensive skill than Rypien. I think he is more responsible with the puck and has better positioning. Morrison has the necessary skills and hockey sense to transform his game into that of a defensive specialist. Of course Rypien is grittier, drops the gloves, provides sparks, and every so often delivers crushing hits, but I would prefer the resposibiity and defensive play first.

I would much rather prefer a line of Rypien – Morrison – Oreskovich, compared to a line of Glass – Rypien – Oreskovich.

by DD WEST on Sep 17, 2010 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Morrison is a better hockey player than Rypien, but who has more grit? This is the 4th line we’re talking about.

by SteveNux on Sep 17, 2010 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Grit is no good if your line isn’t defensively responsible.

by DD WEST on Sep 17, 2010 5:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

hear hear.

I’d love to see a 4th line filled with scoring threats. Bmo, Hodgson and Schroeder? Shirokov? Hell, make it one banger and 2 scorers, like Bmo, CoHo/Schro and Glass or Oreskovich and I’d be happy. It would tear 4th lines to shreds, even if they did get banged around a little.

by Nanodummy on Sep 19, 2010 2:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hmmmm

All respect to Morrison and all, but would signing him be a smart move? I’m looking back at how many youngsters we have available, and I’m wondering if a move like this might just stunt their growth a bit since it could mean yet another year where not many of them get a shot to make the team.

Granted, they still have to prove that they are ready to make the team but how much more motivation would there be if they see yet another veteran fill in a spot that they could have a shot at.

I think having B.Mo back would provide a lot of depth, but I’m (unsuccessfully) just trying to take a peek into the future for the organization.

by jluglue on Sep 17, 2010 2:48 PM PDT reply actions  

If he outperforms the kids

and takes a one-year, league-minimum contract, it’ll be good for the Canucks both short-term and long-term. There’s nothing wrong with some of the younger talent spending a bit more time in the minors and improved organizational depth is essential for when injuries happen.

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by skeeter_dan on Sep 17, 2010 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hodgson and Schroeder are far from locks at this point. So is Shirokov.

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by Sean Zandberg on Sep 17, 2010 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

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by skeeter_dan on Sep 17, 2010 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

league minimum contract?

you’re dreaming there, I’d say. He had 42 points last year. That isn’t the stuff of league-minimums.

A pay cut, perhaps. But not league min.

by Temujin on Sep 18, 2010 7:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

He aint signed anywhere else, though.

by Beantown Canuck on Sep 18, 2010 8:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

Then he doesn't make the team.

The Canucks are too tight to the cap. In order to justify signing Morrison, he needs to take a significant pay cut. Otherwise, one of the youngsters making 500K-600K will make the team isntead.

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by skeeter_dan on Sep 18, 2010 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

The dude has made enough cash that I am pretty sure, for the chance to play at home again, he would take like…700K easy.

The guy is not hunting for nickels on the street or anything.

Marc Spector 08/16/10

"It’s the toughest threshold," said San Jose development coach Mike Ricci, who won a Cup with Colorado in ’96. "Going from being a good team to being The Team, is a big jump. You’ve got to guard against always thinking about the destination, and not worrying enough about the day to day. Don’t concentrate too much on the end product."

by vancitydan on Sep 18, 2010 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not with his degree in Economics from Michigan, he’s not!

by Thursday on Sep 18, 2010 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

@vancitydan: PLUS a good chance to win the Cup

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by Sean Zandberg on Sep 18, 2010 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

You’ve got to think we will get the max effort from him to win a deal.

You know he wants to please his kids and get the old gear out.

He wasn’t a good deal when he left, but if he can still play, he is a great deal for under a mil.

Marc Spector 08/16/10

"It’s the toughest threshold," said San Jose development coach Mike Ricci, who won a Cup with Colorado in ’96. "Going from being a good team to being The Team, is a big jump. You’ve got to guard against always thinking about the destination, and not worrying enough about the day to day. Don’t concentrate too much on the end product."

by vancitydan on Sep 18, 2010 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

you betcha.

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by Sean Zandberg on Sep 18, 2010 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

I can accept that. I still don’t want him on the fourth line, but if he can shift to the wing, sweet.

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by skeeter_dan on Sep 19, 2010 1:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t think this team needs BMo but I’m sure that BMo needs this team.

by Linden4evah on Sep 17, 2010 2:56 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

ding ding

we have a winner! rec’d.

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by Chuckles Canuckles on Sep 17, 2010 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

well that depends on a lot of things. No Burrows to start with. One guy moves into top 6 and then may the best player make the bottom 6. If BMO is better than Hodgson or Shroeder at this point we should go with him

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by Sean Zandberg on Sep 17, 2010 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

If Hodgson

Schroeder, and Shark can’t make it playing with the Sedins…..we’ll then we’re fucked, prospects wise.

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by Chuckles Canuckles on Sep 17, 2010 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

well, it just may not be this year. They’re still young, and Shirokov hasn’t impressed me all that much

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by Sean Zandberg on Sep 17, 2010 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Can’t wait till camp!!

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by Sean Zandberg on Sep 17, 2010 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes but

I could succeed on a line with the Sedins. These are supposed to be highly touted forward prospects. If Samuelsson isn’t going on that top line with the Sedins, throw Schroeder, Shark, or CoHo on that line. Trial by fire. If they can’t do anything on that line….. God help us all.

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by Chuckles Canuckles on Sep 17, 2010 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

You may as well stick Luongo with the Sedins for the games Cory Schneider is in net then.

by adiderek on Sep 17, 2010 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Kinda like Edmonton did to Dubnyk at the end of last season

by adiderek on Sep 17, 2010 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

They played Dubnyk

as a forward?

Lu played as a forward till he was 11. Aren’t goalies crazy fast skaters? He could do it.

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by Chuckles Canuckles on Sep 17, 2010 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes, but have you seen his puck handling skills?

by SteveNux on Sep 17, 2010 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

You don't need

puck handling skills when you play on a line with the Sedins. Let us not forget, Pyatt played with the Sedins, and he has fucking horrible worse than Bernier or just as bad puck-handling skills.

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by Chuckles Canuckles on Sep 17, 2010 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

YOU

try puck handling with that piece of plywood goalie stick! (I’m sure it’s not plywood, but it may as well be, the size of those things)

Then again, I’ll blame Luongo’s puck handling skills on that knob on his stick……. It’s as good as anything else to blame.

by jluglue on Sep 17, 2010 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Goalies are crazy fast skaters? And yes, they played Dubnyk at center near the end of the season.

by adiderek on Sep 18, 2010 1:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

Thats

fucking nuts. At center?

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by Chuckles Canuckles on Sep 18, 2010 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

He does love to play as many games as he can…

by sunshine and lollipops on Sep 20, 2010 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

Few players have fit with the twins in the past and I’m sure that is going to remain true. Consider the conundrum that is Anson Carter compared to the twenty other random people put in the same spot? Burrows knows which side the bread gets buttered on and we should be thankful he appreciates the opportunity.

One of our (very few) talented young forwards should be slotted into line 2 -—- for the 2012-13 team. Our top seven earning forwards are “professionals” (or learning to be) who won’t need to or want to be traded until then and can give us a solid top 9 with a few UFA signings and wiggle room should things come along. The team aims to duplicate the Wings in this respect and for good reason.

Of the prospects, Hodgson has the toughest go unless Kesler goes to the wing or he does. If I was GMMG I would have traded CoHo with Bieksa this year if he was healthy cause he ain’t going to get 1st or 2nd line time at C here for quite some time. His value was already going to decrease and his “back problem” increases the probability that he never goes anywhere in this league. AVs comment on only light contact this week speaks volumes to me. I’m fully prepared for his AHL oblivion.

by Linden4evah on Sep 17, 2010 7:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sammy? Sammy?

You know, Mr. Hat trick with his swedish buddies? Why isn’t he a reasonable filler til burr returns?

by Nanodummy on Sep 19, 2010 2:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

Don't count on it.

So far, three players have worked on the Sedin line: Burrows, Samuelsson and Anson Carter.

by Thursday on Sep 17, 2010 7:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

No, I think Linden4evah makes a good point. Only Carter and Burrows were money on the Sedin line, with Carter being the ultimate success. Not everyone fits on that line.

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by Sean Zandberg on Sep 18, 2010 1:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

Didn’t Pyatt have like 23 goals with the Sedins? That’s really good for Taylor Pyatt and I don’t really see him getting that again.

by marcness52 on Sep 18, 2010 1:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

OK, so Burrows had 35 goals there and Carter had 33. But it sure took a long time to find a Carter replacement that was worthy or able

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by Sean Zandberg on Sep 18, 2010 8:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

Carter was the biggest success...

…Because they were called the “Three Brothers” line.

(My reply was to CC, not L4E.)

by Thursday on Sep 18, 2010 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

ba dum chhhhhhh

slow clap.

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by Chuckles Canuckles on Sep 18, 2010 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not mine, alas. Mike Brophy’s to blame for that one. Well, him and Carter, who loved the name. I think the Sedins were a bit confused by it, though…

by Thursday on Sep 18, 2010 6:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ok, broken record by this point but:

Mikael “Fuck Sweden” Samuellson had a career year, scoring a ton of goals with the twins on the PP and filling in every once in a while. Why are we all writing him off as the top line winger?

by Nanodummy on Sep 19, 2010 2:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

No I think he’s obviously the option for line 1 when Burr is out. But then we still need a scoring winger on line 2.

by Beantown Canuck on Sep 19, 2010 9:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe

But as it was essentially our “checking” line last year, Malholtra or Torres could be bumped, leaving a bottom 6 slot to be competed for.

That’s the scenario I envision, barring CoHo, Schro, Bmo or Shiro breaking the top 6, which is also conceivable to me, but more of a long shot proposition.

by Nanodummy on Sep 19, 2010 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

I disagree that it was our checking line… it had three players who scored 25+ goals on it. I don’t call that our checking line. It’s true that it was defensively responsible, but that doesn’t make it a checking line. Would you call Datsyuk’s line in Detroit a checking line?

I don’t think Malholtra moving to line 2 makes sense, he needs to be the core of line 3. Torres certainly makes sense though. He’s got the chops to be a 20 goal scorer. That’s my guess as to what will happen:

Sammy-Sedinery
MayRay-Kes-Torres
Hansen-Malholtra-?
?-?-?
???

With Oreskovich, Tambellini, Glass, Rypien, Hodgson, Hordichuck, Schroeder, Perrault, and now possible Schaeffer and B-Mo to fill those question marks.

by Beantown Canuck on Sep 19, 2010 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

Would you call Datsyuk’s line in Detroit a checking line?

Only if Zetterberg is on that line too. So many teams do top-units power vs power that the line is blurred, but if I look and see that the power1 line is very good in a pure defensive sense (as is Datsyuk/Zetterberg and unlike Thornton and Eric Staal who get the tougher matchups) then I’ll call it a talented checking line. Like Kesler’s line.

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by red army line on Sep 19, 2010 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well then I guess we have a different definition of a checking line. To me, a checking line is one for which the clear primary purpose is to check. If your line scores 80 goals in a season, by my definition it is not a checking line.

by Beantown Canuck on Sep 19, 2010 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Kesler’s line was very much our checking line – he went out against the opponent’s best every night, and when it came down to tight games, Burrows joined him. That they scored was an added threat that threw opposing teams all year long.

Samuelsson is going to be up on top at least until Burrows comes back, and maybe longer than that. Torres is my first choice for lining up with Kesler and Raymond, but there’s time to see who works best with them.

by Thursday on Sep 19, 2010 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Again, I still wouldn’t call it our checking line. I would just say we didn’t have a checking line last year.

To me a checking line is a line that’s primary goal, it’s entire raison d’etre, is to check. Kes’s line was just an all-around great line that was used to line up against the other team’s best.

by Beantown Canuck on Sep 19, 2010 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Fair Enough.

Much like there used to be “shadows”, but not any more. Game changes, and dropping the idea of a checking line could follow.

by Thursday on Sep 20, 2010 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Checking lines are also less valuable on the road because the home team gets the last change before a faceoff.

by Beantown Canuck on Sep 20, 2010 5:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

For me, he gets a clean slate this year. Leaning the NA game last year, a new language, and getting used to a new country.

Like you, he definitely has to show me something this year.

But I am hoping to be pleasantly surprised, and not beat him up over last year toooo much.

Marc Spector 08/16/10

"It’s the toughest threshold," said San Jose development coach Mike Ricci, who won a Cup with Colorado in ’96. "Going from being a good team to being The Team, is a big jump. You’ve got to guard against always thinking about the destination, and not worrying enough about the day to day. Don’t concentrate too much on the end product."

by vancitydan on Sep 17, 2010 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed

New camp = new chance. But there has to be improvement.

by Thursday on Sep 17, 2010 7:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Why isn't Sammy playing with the twins?

Seemed to work out pretty well last year. Let the younguns fight for the 2nd line, or even Malholtra or Torres’ spot on the 3rd.

by Nanodummy on Sep 19, 2010 2:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

Mo is a smart player. He will make room for himself. I am rooting for him, because no rookie will come close to the 42 points that he registered last year. I know that we need to develop for the future, but I want the Cup NOW. This season, that is.

Los Angeles, CA

by AttilaS on Sep 17, 2010 4:07 PM PDT reply actions  

42 points while on the strongest scoring team last year.

by DD WEST on Sep 17, 2010 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

He should get close to that on the 2nd strongest scoring team then.

;-)

As for BMo and defensive or 4th line responsibilities, he was always that. If he truly is as healthy as he says and can skate like he used to, he is better than most of the other options.

I think we see a fair amount of centre slash wingers this year. I want to see the stats on FO wins after the first guy gets thrown out.

Put him out with V Wreck and Glass, or whatever other wrecking ball is in the line up. He’ll make them look like they have hands. Mo’ can still pass, from the Caps games i saw last year. He can still kill penalties and think the game.

Actually, for those games you don’t need two wrecking balls, a line of V Wreck, BMo and Tambo sounds like skill, defensive responsibility and hitting. That is going to be enough most nights.

Marc Spector 08/16/10

"It’s the toughest threshold," said San Jose development coach Mike Ricci, who won a Cup with Colorado in ’96. "Going from being a good team to being The Team, is a big jump. You’ve got to guard against always thinking about the destination, and not worrying enough about the day to day. Don’t concentrate too much on the end product."

by vancitydan on Sep 17, 2010 5:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

I should have explained my point better, because I was disagreeing with the statement above, not the idea of adding Morrison.

because no rookie will come close to the 42 points that he registered last year.

I feel Morrison’s points last year were a little bit inflated by the fact that he played with such high quality players like Semin, Knuble, and Ovechkin. If Hodgson or Schroeder were to play with those linemates, I could see them racking up 35+ points easy. So its a bit of a false statement. Also, considering that, if signed, Morrison most likely wouldn’t get time with the Sedin’s or Kesler, so that point total will drop.

I totally agree however with what you said. You reiterated the points I made above. Morrison would be welcomed addition to the 4th line over Rypien. And I like your idea of testing out Tambo with him for added scoring touch. Especially when we play more skilled teams that lack goons like Detroit, LA, etc…

by DD WEST on Sep 18, 2010 12:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

Los Angeles

has Rich Clune!

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by Chuckles Canuckles on Sep 18, 2010 12:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah…Rypien is enough on that line. He owns that guy!

Marc Spector 08/16/10

"It’s the toughest threshold," said San Jose development coach Mike Ricci, who won a Cup with Colorado in ’96. "Going from being a good team to being The Team, is a big jump. You’ve got to guard against always thinking about the destination, and not worrying enough about the day to day. Don’t concentrate too much on the end product."

by vancitydan on Sep 18, 2010 12:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

LOL Richard Clune is full of fail.

by DD WEST on Sep 18, 2010 1:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

I would never expect that his point total with the Canucks would be anywhere close to 42, because I expect a more limited role than what he had with the Caps. I am just using the 42 points as a good indication that his is still in very good shape, and can contribute a great deal.

Los Angeles, CA

by AttilaS on Sep 18, 2010 11:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

According to Time on Ice, Morrison pretty much got a 51% Corsi% playing with Corsi black hole Tomas Fleischmann (who is a 45% type guy) a lot. From January on, he was mainly a third liner. He also got tons of time with Brooks Laich, who’s a 49%-type Corsi player. BMo wasn’t super, but he wasn’t poor either. At the very least he covered his defensive assignments.

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by red army line on Sep 19, 2010 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

He was the “moral centre” of that West Coast Express line… The centre position had more defencive responsibilities in that set-up, so he could certainly handle that role. Plus, he can fill on any line for short bursts. I could live with him in an Orca this year.

by Thursday on Sep 17, 2010 7:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Cap Hit Question

Can anyone explain to me why rookie bonuses not others are included in the cap hit for a team? It strikes me as a pretty crappy when CoHo could learn the ropes at 4th line center but mgmt could never justify his cap hit of 1.6M there. Similarly, Shirokov is 1.3 and Schroeder is 1.0. Why give young guys such potential bonuses (reachable or not) at all since it would seem to limit there possibility of playing on the high end teams or at least cap pushing teams? [insert generic rangers or flamers joke here]

by Linden4evah on Sep 17, 2010 7:15 PM PDT reply actions  

You have to build it in in case they meet them.

You can also extend the payment of the bonuses into next year. That is what the Hawks did…and had problems because they had to pay some big ones. ( Conn Smythe/Cup…etc)

Those don’t usually happen. Most have bonuses more in line with their relative skill. I would love for Cody and the other two to meet their bonuses, cuz that means they are playing well for the big team.

It saves the team too. A bad rookie worth 1.6 is more untenable than a guy that makes 800K on the big team.

Though usually they just get sent down too. You can do that easily with EL contracts too.

Marc Spector 08/16/10

"It’s the toughest threshold," said San Jose development coach Mike Ricci, who won a Cup with Colorado in ’96. "Going from being a good team to being The Team, is a big jump. You’ve got to guard against always thinking about the destination, and not worrying enough about the day to day. Don’t concentrate too much on the end product."

by vancitydan on Sep 17, 2010 7:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

“in case they meet them” doesn’t mean much to me because I would think it’s the next five year deal for real money that would be the goal for high end prospects no? You play well you get the next contract. Again it’s relative with your teams cap situation. Perhaps I’m thinking like a Russian “Score goal. Get money”

Indeed “they usually get sent down” is exactly why I wouldn’t want a bonus laden contract if I’m a rookie. I just want one shift where I knock some MoFo’s teeth out, take the puck from him and undress the D on my way to score a highlight reel game winner in the last ten games of the season to put us into the playoffs ……

I’m unclear on the “extending payment” bit on rookies and particularly with the Hawks too. I thought their 4M cap hit this year largely came from the fact that the bonuses were from the past three years of the Toews contract. Hence, a ridiculously high bonus target but on a high end prospect screwed their budget for this next season.

Back to my issue which I am still looking for better description of:
CoHo counts at 1.6 today, this year, this salary cap, and GMMG can not spend any of this money on the CAP if he makes the team because he is a rookie on a EL.

In contrast, a vet with a bonus laden contract a la Mathieu Schneider counted on the cap as 1.5 yet another 1.2 was a possible bonus that could be extended a year (if he hit them. Hardy har har). Hence GMMG could spend the 1.2 but pay it next year if necessary.

Big difference on what GMMG can do no?

Is this true? Anyone with a link to clarify my stupidity here?

by Linden4evah on Sep 17, 2010 8:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

CoHo is an 850k cap hit, with 850k bonus. (capgeek.com)

If CoHo meets his bonus requirements (I don’t know what these are, though I’ll guess games played may factor in), this cap hit CAN be mitigated to next years cap hit, so we’d have 850k less to spend next year, like we presently lack 90k in bonus penalties this year.

The Toews situation stemmed from his bonuses involving playoffs and winning the conn smythe (that was like a million there). The blackhawks have also been putting off bonuses throughout the CBA, and now that it’s expired, those cannot be deferred beyond the next year. It used to be that they could get pushed back from year to year, as I understand it.

The bonuses are really just incentives for top flight talent to perform. They could just take minimum wage, but one concussion later, (or back injury) and don’t you wish you took an entire seasons pay bonus when you still had a hockey career? Hodgson, once a calder candidate to be, is now damaged goods, and without brilliant numbers, he won’t command the salary he might have had he stayed healthy and had a strong season. He’s “injury prone” until proven innocent, and 850k is not chicken feed.

by Nanodummy on Sep 19, 2010 2:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

Almost perfect.

Pretty sure I read that you can only put them off a year, and then you have to pay, something like that. I know they HAD to pay this year for the playoff bonuses from the year previous.

Not sure of the exact rule, but I am pretty sure you cannot just keep putting them off.

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"It’s the toughest threshold," said San Jose development coach Mike Ricci, who won a Cup with Colorado in ’96. "Going from being a good team to being The Team, is a big jump. You’ve got to guard against always thinking about the destination, and not worrying enough about the day to day. Don’t concentrate too much on the end product."

by vancitydan on Sep 19, 2010 9:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

Okay. Could have sworn someone (on this board) said rookie bonuses count toward current cap compliance (i.e. daily limits, GM restrictions) hence the higher number on the books and my thoughts on how it hurt rookie chances. Didnt make sense to me then but i guess it wasnt true. Thanks.

by Linden4evah on Sep 19, 2010 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

The rule is that you pay as many bonuses as you can on the current year, and rest MUST count against the cap the following year. You can have signing bonuses (which pretty much are added to the overall amount of the contract to calculate cap hit) and performance bonuses (mainly for rookies, but a guy like Willie Mitchell was eligible for performance bonuses too).

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by red army line on Sep 19, 2010 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Performance Bonuses under the CBA 101 by Beantown

That was a bit confusing.

I believe the rule for signing bonuses and performance bonuses are different.
Signing bonuses count against the cap along with normal salary. Period. No different treatment. That’s because they’re not contingent- player gets that money for sure.

Performance bonuses, though, are contingent – a player has to meet the specific targets to get the specific bonus $$$. They are only available for entry level contracts, players over 35 as of July 1 who sign a 1 year contract, or players who were injured for over 100 days and sign a 1 year contract. So yes, Willie would have been eligible, but by signing a 2 year contract, no performance bonuses could be included.

Anyway, since they are contingent, it is not known until the season is in progress (and sometimes, in the case of Toews winning Conn Smythe, until the season ends) whether the team will have to pay that money. So the CBA allows performance bonus options on the books to exceed the salary cap limit. Should the bonuses end up being earned, then all $$$ earned count against the cap 1) in the season in which earned to the extent that there is cap space remaining that year, and then 2) if the cap limit has been reached, all remaining performance bonus $$$ counts against the cap the following season.

Hence Chicago’s problem this year, and the problem we could run into if Hodgson or Schroeder make the team and hit their bonuses. Of course, if they hit their bonuses that probably means they’ve done something good, so it might well be worth it.

by Beantown Canuck on Sep 19, 2010 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not a bad idea putting him on the 3rd line...

But wouldn’t he and maybe even Schaefer be upgrades on the 4th line?

Schaefer-Morrison-Glass/Rypien sounds good to me (Actually, Shean Donovan would be another good veteran for the 4th line. I got to see a lot of him lately as a Sens fan. He was kind of pushed out of the line-up but he’s still got a good set of wheels and he works hard. And let’s face, Glass and Rypien [along with Johnson] were epic failures as a 4th line last year.)

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by GelatinousMutantCoconut on Sep 17, 2010 7:20 PM PDT reply actions  

He might not be in the expected mold, but...

Morrison might not be what everyone expected out of our bottom two lines and he’s certainly not what MG was talking about when he said he wanted to get bigger in the bottom six. But then cast aside all those ideas and your memories of Morrison from the west coast express days and think about having a great defensive player who can score a few goals. Isn’t the great defensive player who is difficult to play against the point of the “grit” we were looking for? Does Morrison fit that description? Cause if he does who cares how big he is.

by Canuckelhead on Sep 17, 2010 10:35 PM PDT reply actions  

A league min 2-way contract can’t hurt this club. Still though there are a bunch of guys that he must out-perform to make the team.

I like this move as it is a classy one, BMo gave his heart and soul to this team for many years and deserves another shot.

All that said, I’d prefer he sign with another team as he is on my girlfriends “celebrities you can bang” list so having him out of the city works for me personally.

by Twincest on Sep 18, 2010 12:59 AM PDT reply actions  

You should

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by Chuckles Canuckles on Sep 18, 2010 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ha…love the personal reasons coming out at the end.

I believe I read something that he would not accept a two way deal. Now will he need too. If he is as healthy as advertised, he wins a deal hear for under a mil.

If our youth and depth beat him out, I think he still wins that deal from another team.

Marc Spector 08/16/10

"It’s the toughest threshold," said San Jose development coach Mike Ricci, who won a Cup with Colorado in ’96. "Going from being a good team to being The Team, is a big jump. You’ve got to guard against always thinking about the destination, and not worrying enough about the day to day. Don’t concentrate too much on the end product."

by vancitydan on Sep 18, 2010 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t think he’s taking a 2-way deal. Those guys get paid like $60k at the AHL level. BMo I’m sure would rather take a minimum 1-way deal.

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by red army line on Sep 19, 2010 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

For sure. A guy with that much experience and a family is not gonna play in the AHL when he’s perfectly capable of playing in the NHL.

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by cyxj on Sep 19, 2010 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m not sure if it’s playing the AHL or not—it’s the amount he’s getting paid (general reminder that EA’s 1-way and 2-way deals do not reflect actual NHL rules regarding the topic).

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by red army line on Sep 19, 2010 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

bmo

since when is 42 pts not good enough for a third or fourth line center? not to mention bmos a good pker and great team guy

by SuperstarAlen on Sep 18, 2010 2:19 AM PDT reply actions  

I’ll take Malhotra’s face offs and play style over Morrison’s skill set on the third right now. Don’t forget that the 42 points was with more ice time than he’ll get in Vancouver. I’m okay with him on the fourth, though.

by Thursday on Sep 18, 2010 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

How much TOI would he be expected to get? In Washington he was getting about 15:40 a night with 2 of those on the PK (8th on the Caps) and 30 seconds SH.

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by red army line on Sep 19, 2010 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Probably more like 10-13 minutes here.

I think they want a 4th line that isn’t a liability so they can play them more. Last year, we sometimes became a 3 line team in the 3rd.

Marc Spector 08/16/10

"It’s the toughest threshold," said San Jose development coach Mike Ricci, who won a Cup with Colorado in ’96. "Going from being a good team to being The Team, is a big jump. You’ve got to guard against always thinking about the destination, and not worrying enough about the day to day. Don’t concentrate too much on the end product."

by vancitydan on Sep 19, 2010 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

Plus whatever time he gets on the special teams. Just keep him off the point, and I’m fine with it.

by Thursday on Sep 19, 2010 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

2 of those on the PK (8th on the Caps)

2 of those on the PP, not PK. Sorry.

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by red army line on Sep 19, 2010 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Would only want him if you can get Naslund to come out of retirement and trade for Bert.

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