Roberto Luongo Drops The C
First a new arena name, now a new captain.
As usual Botch sent the word out first:
Roberto Luongo gives up the captaincy. Not known yet who will take his crown....
Then came official word from the mother ship:
"I am honoured to have served as captain of the Vancouver Canucks for the past two seasons," said Roberto Luongo. "Being captain in a Canadian city for a team with such passionate fans is a privilege and an experience I will always take pride in. I will continue to be a leader on this team and support my teammates the same way I always have while focusing on our ultimate goal."
I would love to hear from anyone out there on the internets how - all things being equal - Henrik Sedin is a better choice as captain than Ryan Kesler.
It's still very much Luongo's team, regardless of the C or not. I appreciated the move originally and greatly appreciate him stepping away from it now.
Added: (h/t DD West for finding this, plus to Botchford for posting the clip on YouTube) Mike Gillis talks to the press about why Lou relinquished the captaincy:
And Luongo added:
"It was my decision the whole time and I never felt pressure to give it up or to keep it. "Being a goalie, you don't want to be in that position where it looks like you're putting the blame on someone else," added Luongo. "But some nights, you can't always blame yourself either. You want to recognize your faults, but not put yourself down all the time. It's tough to do that to your teammates as well."It was a very precarious position to be in and luckily, I won't have to do that anymore."
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I think this is all for the best. Let Lou focus on being a kickass goalie, and give the C to Kesler!
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Henrik has more experience, more points, and really is the leader on the ice for the team. I’m not sure what it’s like behind closed doors but I think Henrik is the leader right now. I don’t think it really matters who gets the ‘C’ since Lou will still be a leader and they have many other guys who can be leaders.
It’s tough to define what makes an ideal captain obviously. Mike Richards didn’t do bad for Philly. Even though the media hated him. Just sayin’. Phaneuf in Toronto too…these aren’t based on experience so much as what each represents, the embodiment of what the coach and GM what to see out of their team. That’s Kesler in my eye.
Besides, if the captaincy is such a huge weight, then why give it to Hank and have his play suffer like Luongo’s?
There is the closed door argument as you said. For all we know Kesler wants no part of it and that’s completely legit.
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by Yankee Canuck on Sep 13, 2010 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions
I have a feeling Kesler
would love every minute of it.
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by Section 312 on Sep 13, 2010 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions
I think it’s different situation for a goalie captain though. After a tough loss where you get shelled then you have to go out and talk to the media since you’re that captain is a huge weight. In a tough loss, I don’t think it’d be as big a weight for Henrik since he wasn’t the one who got lit up/pulled.
Right, but like others are saying below, he comes across as a pretty calm, patient guy. We don’t know what an extended losing streak would do to his ability to produce.
The Twins are unique enough. Leave ’em alone and give it to a warrior-type guy. Or rotate the damn thing and spread the pain love around.
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by Yankee Canuck on Sep 13, 2010 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions
Rotating it around
Means more chance of Hordi getting it!
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OH GOD NO
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Sep 13, 2010 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions
Can you imagine? I can’t think of a less deserving person to wear it.
No wait, yes I can. Mathieu Schneider.
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by Yankee Canuck on Sep 13, 2010 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions
Getting old…
MS and Hordi are unbelievably less deserving.
Probably a good time to let a couple of bad games at the end of last season go.
Clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose.
I thought AA improved as he went along. Where’s the love?
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by Sean Zandberg on Sep 13, 2010 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions
I bet it would help SOB pick up the ladies at the Roxy.
“Hey baby, wanna come back to my place and see my C?”
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
by Semi_Colon on Sep 13, 2010 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
Or would he say
“Hey baby, I’ll show you my ‘C’ if you show me yours.”
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by Section 312 on Sep 13, 2010 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
C it works in many ways
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
He'll ask her
if she wants him to wear the C to bed.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Sep 13, 2010 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions
Mike Gillis has already stated that there will be no rotation of the captaincy.
by Bobby Canuck on Sep 13, 2010 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions
This takes some pressure off Lu
Give the “C” to Kes now.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Sep 13, 2010 10:52 AM PDT reply actions
Ah, this is good news. Wise of Lou to relinquish it, not sure if a gun was held to his head but the fiasco is over. Let’s move on.
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Thanks Burnside you asshat
@ESPN_Burnside
Van. GM Gillis and netminder Luongo meeting Mon. to discuss whether goalie should remain captain. And you wonder why no Cup parades in Van.
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It’s ok, no one goes to ESPN for hockey coverage anyway.
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by Yankee Canuck on Sep 13, 2010 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions
Do they
know what hockey is on ESPN?
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Sep 13, 2010 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions
I don’t quite get how one begats the other.
Burnside is a bit of a putz anyhow.
He is no Cox or anything…but does have his moments.
Meh.
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Burnside is okay, but the only real jewel at ESPN is LeBrun.
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Burnside came to hockey late I think. Lebrun seems born to it like a good Canadian …lol.
Burnside is…OK i guess..wait…not that good. likke you wrote it…okay.
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Multiple choice quiz, courtesy of ESPN.
The reason the Vancouver Canucks have never won a Stanley Cup is:
a) A history of generally shitty teams.
b) 40 years into franchise history, the Canucks switched captains!
by Passive Voice on Sep 13, 2010 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Burnside’s a hack. He’s basically Ken Campbell except with an extreme hatred of the Devils. I guess he just hates good goaltending.
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by Kevin Sellathamby on Sep 13, 2010 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Beantown's factors
Things that should potentially be considered when choosing between Kes and Hank:
1. Kes is 4 years younger
2. Kes is used in all game situations, so more able to ‘lead by example’ for all
3. Hank is much more of a ‘gentleman’ – Kes is lippy towards opposition
4. Kes has been an Alternate Captain for 2 years, Hank only 1, despite being on the team longer, perhaps this is indicative of their perceived leadership role?
5. Hank is the most decorated Canuck in history in terms of individual accomplishment
by Beantown Canuck on Sep 13, 2010 10:54 AM PDT reply actions
I think out of respect for his individual accomplishments, his career commitment to the team, and his longevity on the team, you have to offer it to Hank first. Let him say, “yes, I want this” or “I think Kesler should be the guy”.
But my heart says Kesler.
by Beantown Canuck on Sep 13, 2010 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions
One thing to consider is that the Sedins were used on the PK earlier in their career. (regarding point #2) Having said that, they don’t kill penalties nearly as often as Kesler.
It was the obvious joke option. I can’t put up Hordichuk as an option because someone will vote for him and I’ll be furious :)
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by Yankee Canuck on Sep 13, 2010 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions
If Hordi becomes the captain
I’ll never cheer for this team again.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Sep 13, 2010 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions
It takes a lot of dedication
Perfect for a captain!
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Can you name a guy captain who will soon be banished to the AHL?
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by Yankee Canuck on Sep 13, 2010 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions
Chris Drury.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Sep 13, 2010 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
You rule.
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by Kevin Sellathamby on Sep 13, 2010 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Thank you.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Sep 13, 2010 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions
heh
oh yeah. i forgot grumpy
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by Yankee Canuck on Sep 13, 2010 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions
I voted for Kesler, but my husband had a good point about Henrik. You all remember when SOB was getting lippy with…I think it was Bowness? Henrik was the one on the bench that stood up and told SOB to cool it. Showed some leadership there, and it shows he’s going to speak up when it counts. I don’t think we can go wrong with either choice really, they are both pretty tough players, albeit in completely different ways.
by sunshine and lollipops on Sep 13, 2010 11:00 AM PDT reply actions
Maybe it's the Nazzy effect
but I am reticent to have a quiet Swedish captain. Nothing against Swedes as I love Nik Lidstrom as a captain and would love him on our team but Hank seems like another Naslund and that didn’t go so well the first time.
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by Section 312 on Sep 13, 2010 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions
I agree with Section here
Nazzy was my favourite player for a long time, but I want a loud captain this time around.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Sep 13, 2010 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions
I second this opinion
Hank is an amazing player, but he seems to avoid the spotlight. Which is totally fine, but not something you want out of a captain.
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
I like Alfredsson as a captain too. He’s got the scoring touch but also knows how to throw his weight around. But I do understand what you mean about Swedish captains.
It's not because they are Swedish
but I just think he is a pretty quiet dude who likes to get away from it all sometimes. Captains can’t do that. But Kesler I think would love it. He is the kind of guy who plays better when the game is on HNIC or TSN cause it’s national audience and more people are watching. I think he would relish the pressure. He seems that way to me from the outside looking in anyway.
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by Section 312 on Sep 13, 2010 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions
Niklas Lidstrom. Stanley Cup winning Swedish Captain.
I believe he and Alfredsson are the only non-North American Captains to even play in the Stanley Cup Finals, mind you. Someone correct me if I’m wrong.
by Beantown Canuck on Sep 13, 2010 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions
How many other Europeans have been a Captain anyway?
Sundin
Naslund
Koivu
Chara
Ovechkin
Elias
Jagr
Kovalchuk
Mogilny
Sjoberg
Statsny
Forsberg
Timonen
Yashin (HA!)
Jokinen (HAHAHA!)
Norstrom
…any others?
by Beantown Canuck on Sep 13, 2010 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions
Koivu
Kovalev
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Sep 13, 2010 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions
I had Koivu is already up there, hehe, but I guess it should say Koivu x 2, since both have been captains.
by Beantown Canuck on Sep 13, 2010 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions
I thought
I should put up another Koivu because they have both been captains.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Sep 13, 2010 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Lidstrom too.
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by nucksandpucks on Sep 13, 2010 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Sorry, just read the whole thread. My bad.
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by nucksandpucks on Sep 13, 2010 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Gaborik and Demitra were captains with the wild, though for only months.
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by Kevin Sellathamby on Sep 13, 2010 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Look I am not saying Hank would be a bad captain
and I am not saying you have to be from a certain country to be a good captain. I am just saying after Naslund and a Goalie I would like something different this time. More of a vocal guy. More of a heart and soul guy. Plus Kesler could be the Captain here for a long time.
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by Section 312 on Sep 13, 2010 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions
I have to agree with that point. I remember watching that game and being a little surprised with Hank’s leadership and power in that situation. I think the fact that Hank put the team on his back last year and became the MVP places him as the Captain of the team. If he just had a regular year without all the heroics then I think Kesler is the guy but given Hanks ability to rise to the occasion in the season and post season it’s gotta be him.
The Sedins have also matured in the playoffs by not being such push overs in scrums, too many penalties for Danny but it’s a welcome change from the skate away passive resistance. They aren’t fighting and taking cheap shots on opponents but they aren’t backing down and stand their ground.
You know,
I don’t know why this hasn’t been floated around more, or maybe I’m just crazy, but what about not having a ‘C’ this year? Just have an extra ‘A’.
Maybe I’ve been inhaling too much asphalt fumes from the construction going on outside my lab
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Madness
What are we? Montreal?!
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Sep 13, 2010 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions
How about we retire the C?
Someone call Cliff Ronning for opening night.
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by Yankee Canuck on Sep 13, 2010 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ha! rec’d
I want to point out that Cliff Ronning is awesome, though.
by Beantown Canuck on Sep 13, 2010 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions
I love Ronning. I just feel bad he had to be associated with that fiasco.
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by Yankee Canuck on Sep 13, 2010 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions
Please explain.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Sep 13, 2010 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions
Ronning was there for this
http://canucks.nhl.com/club/page.htm?bcid=27665
A PR disaster to the point where you rarely hear about it anymore.
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by Yankee Canuck on Sep 13, 2010 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions
Oh jesus
I remember that, unfortunately.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Sep 13, 2010 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions
lol
Jamal Mayers with an “A”.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Sep 13, 2010 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions
Jay Rosehill
should have his jersey retired.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Sep 13, 2010 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions
Give Henrik the C
Just because my Kesler jersey has an A on it, and I don’t want to shell out the cash for a new one.
ha
that’s a completely fair point.
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by Yankee Canuck on Sep 13, 2010 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions
Welcome
and if Kes becomes captain Im gonna get a Canucks-Kesler shirt with a “C” on it.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Sep 13, 2010 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions
On the flip side, I now have a Luongo jersey with a C on it….
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by spriteofice on Sep 13, 2010 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions
Ditto. I’m annoyed by the move because I really didn’t think the C would affect an adult so hugely. But if this makes him a good goaltender again I’ll gladly eat jersey. Gain fabric softener smells good anyhow.
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It's not the C that affects anyone
it’s the various responsibilities that come along with it.
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by Section 312 on Sep 13, 2010 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions
Well you said you didn't think it would affect an adult
which to me implied that you think the only people it would really bother are mentally weak. Or children. Or both.
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by Section 312 on Sep 13, 2010 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions
“I really didn’t think the various responsibilities associated with the captaincy would affect an adult so hugely.” stands on its own as a thought, with nothing implied. I was honestly surprised by that fact, and so my assumptions were wrong. Not labeling him as mentally weak or childish. I think I must’ve just underestimated the fragility of a goalie’s mindset, because even when this was first announced I defended the situation with “he’s a grown man and he wants to take the team on his shoulders.” I didn’t take into account that he would want it before he’s ready for it.
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For me it's not got anything to do with the mental aspect
simply the time aspect. Most people don’t realize between media, team and Canuck place and other areas how much of a Captain’s time is spent on things other than hockey. Goalies don’t need that extra time being wasted that they could be spending on things like getting extra work with a full time goalie coach and things of that nature.
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by Section 312 on Sep 13, 2010 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions
I think you’re underestimating the mental aspect of it, but you’re right about the time it takes (I feel you might be overstating that a little). But that’ll extend to any skater, and will have an effect on a top-line guy who’s required to produce. Maybe that’s an argument for Kesler? He seems to be generally even in production and disregard for opposing teams’ wives regardless of what situation he’s in.
All in all, I think not having a full time goalie coach to make proper use of practice time was a larger cause for Luongo’s failings than not having enough time to practice.
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Well look it doesn't take a genius, obviously cause I thought of it,
to realize that playing goal is by far the most physically demanding position in hockey and Luongo plays a lot of games and there is a shit load of travel for a team from Vancouver. You add that up with the extra responsibilities of being the captain and there is just not enough time and energy for Luongo to make the most of his talent.
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by Section 312 on Sep 13, 2010 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions
from a PPPer i follow on twitter:
Jeffler
Nobody’s getting the C next year in Vancouver. Wellwood ate their entire stock of them on the way out the door June 30th
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especially when you’re a fan of either the leafs or nucks.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Sep 13, 2010 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions
I don’t think Henrik would be the limp, quiet captain that Naslund was. His accomplishments show a growing maturity and knowledge of the league, and I think there is a league-wide respect for what the Sedins do. On the other hand, I don’t think Kesler embodies sportsmanship quite the same way. I love the way he plays but he plays that way because he acts young and impulsive, not thoughtful and level-headed (including in the media).
You gotta offer it to Hank first.
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Offer it to Hank first
“These guys care”
But give it to Kes ultimately.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Sep 13, 2010 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Well I was thinking we’d listen to his decision… but I also think this team could use a little more drama right now.
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No
Offer it to Hank, hit him over the head before he can answer, put him on a plane to Vegas.
Call Kesler, give him captaincy.
Hank stumbles back into Vancouver a week later, asks “What happened?”
Reply “You went to Vegas when we asked you to be captain. We gave it to Kesler. You snooze you lose man!”
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Sep 13, 2010 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions
current trending topics in Canada:
1. Roberto Luongo
3. Kesler
5. Henrik
8. Hank
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Is this what this blog is about?
Hockey? That is some crazy shit.
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hahahahah!!!! rec’d
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no
in fact, i just refreshed my Twitter home page, the rankings have changed for the worse:
1. Roberto Luongo
8. captain
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2. Kesler
4. Gillis
5. Henrik
9. Captain
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Where do you look to see trending topics in Canada?
by Beantown Canuck on Sep 13, 2010 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions
along the right-hand sidebar on your Twitter homepage, below the lists is where the regional trending topics are listed for your area. you can change it if you want to. unfortunately, all of canada has the same one right now, unlike all the cities in the US.
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Oh I don’t have twitter… is there no way to check that out without making your own account?
by Beantown Canuck on Sep 13, 2010 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions
don't think so
but i do recommend you sign up for twitter. great way to get breaking news. (seriously, VanCanucks had just tweeted their press release when i got on twitter this morning)
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i’m liking the stream of logic i’m hearing about offering the C to Henrik first, and having him either take it or say “give it to Kes”
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Here's the thing tho
It becomes a paradox. To me, if it was offered to Hank and he said ‘nah kes is more deserving’ I’d be like ‘right there, that’s why I think you should have it.’ If he doesn’t say that, then the first time he stumbles I’m like ‘gee I wonder if Kesler might have been the guy instead’ but of course now you can’t give it to him without causing a locker room clusterfuck. PARADOX! So, in order to save everyone the pain, give it to Burrows but never let him talk to the refs.
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by Twitchy2010 on Sep 13, 2010 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Orrrrr..
Luongo walks in, and the team, one at a time, gives some variation on “No…I am Spartacus”…I like the way you think, but I think if you give Burrows an A, it might help rehabilitate his “thing” with the refs.
He would be under orders to keep that temper in check though…by AV…in french…every day. Hank with the C could be like his eject button…“OK, shut the fuck up Burr’ I got this”.
Burr does seem to have one of the better relationships with our barking horde of media though.
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of course, we’d have to wait until he gets back from injury before we could see if Burr becomes more responsible with the A.
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I don't know
that I’ve ever viewed burrows as irresponsible tho…he has a reputation not unlike some other players, and he spoke out about a pretty blatant mistreatment that stemmed directly from that reputation. He knew full well what the consequences of that would be, and he sent a message that the NHL was completely unable to ignore. The thing is, I don’t really see him as any more of a diver than countless other NHL players anyways. Is he obnoxious to play against? By all accounts, yeah. But does that make him irresponsible? I’m not sure it does. I don’t know if he’s a room leader or not, and frankly I wouldn’t really consider him captain material from what i’ve seen (the fact that his voice still seems to be changing may be part of it. Also I hate the french. No, just kidding, I don’t. My girlfriend is francophone). But I could see him as an A if he’s a locker room leader.
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by Twitchy2010 on Sep 13, 2010 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rec’d. All correct. He’s an on-ice leader and deserving of an A for what he does.
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If Steve Ott could get an A, why can’t Burrows?
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by Kevin Sellathamby on Sep 13, 2010 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Aaaaaand...
…Two for O’Brien.
AA? Anyone? Drinking? Ah, never mind.
by Thursday on Sep 13, 2010 5:13 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
You think the Captain SHOULD be a guy
who doesn’t really want to be captain and thinks someone else should have the responsibility?
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by Section 312 on Sep 13, 2010 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions
No, and perhaps that statement needed more setup. I think someone mature and confident and self aware enough to say so and so is deserving (and not cuz he doesn’t think he can do it himself, but because it’s a merit thing) is showing mad leadership and team skills in doing so. Sorry if that confused your curmudgeonly brain.
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I wasn't confused
just wanted to point out how poorly worded or ridiculous your statement was. :)
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by Section 312 on Sep 13, 2010 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree
But there’s a difference between not wanting to be the captain, and deferring the captainship because you believe someone else is better suited, which I believe Twitchy is referring to.
Granted, it’s a tough line to walk, because you don’t want to give it to a guy who shies away from the responsibility, but at the same time what could be viewed as shying away could also be viewed as being a team player.
Personally, I would rather the guy who is given it just accept it and move on from there. It’s less complicated that way
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I am not sure you want your captain to be
“a team player” in that sense. On the ice absolutely. You don’t want a selfish me first type on ice player being your captain. But you do want a guy who off the ice has the personality to want that pressure and that responsibility. Otherwise it will eventually weigh them down. That’s why I wouldn’t want to give it to a guy willing to pass it off. That’s also why I wouldn’t ask someone if they want it. I would pick a guy I KNOW wants it and would relish it and maybe even be a better player because of it.
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by Section 312 on Sep 13, 2010 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes
Finding the guy with the right personality to take it on is key. That’s why I feel Hank wouldn’t be the best choice. He’s a huge team first guy, but quietly. Kesler’s demeanor, on the other hand, basically screams “Give me the C and I’ll throw this team on my back and carry us all the finals”, which I would want.
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by Semi_Colon on Sep 13, 2010 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
GIVE IT TO NASLUND
So don't get violent and don't get caught with your head down, the night she stole the moon.
funny.
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by Yankee Canuck on Sep 13, 2010 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Or better yet

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by Sean Zandberg on Sep 13, 2010 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions
thats just mean!
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Give it to Yoata
he probably feels he could do a better job than any other choice anyways.
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I would support yoata as captain. If only because he could get us into games and he would be more entertaining in the post game scrums.
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by Yankee Canuck on Sep 13, 2010 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Not sure Mike Gillis would be a fan…
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by thelastjohnny on Sep 13, 2010 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions
he’d be stuck for a season. imagine the post game gems if luongo got shelled? brilliant.
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by Yankee Canuck on Sep 13, 2010 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah it'd be real motivating for the team
real motivating indeed. :|
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by Twitchy2010 on Sep 13, 2010 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions
no its for the funnies
the motivation will come when he’s trapped behind the closed doors and then take Rypien out of his Hannibel Lector caging.
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by Yankee Canuck on Sep 13, 2010 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions
he probably feels he could do a better job than any other choice anyways.
C’mon Twitchy. Put a little love in your heart.
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by Sean Zandberg on Sep 13, 2010 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions
I just don’t think this just happened today as a result of the conversation with Gillis…this is all a part of a larger ‘re-org’, shall you. I voted for Kelser, but that may not be what happens. It seems as though the media has been discussing Henrik much more recently, while its been fairly quiet about Kesler. My guess is, they are being fed that by someone inside the Canucks…
For all we know, they may want to completely switch gears and go with Hamhuis instead…
For a team that is supposed to be ready to ascend the heights of the Cup…these sort of distractions are pretty odd at this point in time…
It’s to throw the teams off, make them think we’re disorganized, etc.
Joking aside, sometimes things like this can bring a team closer together, even when you think it might be detrimental
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I was looking at it from a sporting perspective. I have been on a team that experienced a distraction from coaches/within the team, but we were able to use it to work more as a unit and win
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badminton?
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by My Landed Immigrant status just expired! on Sep 13, 2010 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions
No, why?
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just though that would be your sport of choice, i was trying to get you riled…but i failed
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by My Landed Immigrant status just expired! on Sep 13, 2010 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Phoenix
2009-2010.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Sep 13, 2010 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, I wasn't on that team (that you know of!)
But good example. Don’t know how that one slipped though.
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Mozy is suggesting co-captaincy on twitter right now.
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I doubt it. I doubt they’ll rotate it. They’re going back to square one somehow here with a traditional approach. A new C, maybe new A’s.
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by Yankee Canuck on Sep 13, 2010 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Damn willie mitchell
for leaving and making this a less easy decision…
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by Twitchy2010 on Sep 13, 2010 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions
I ran a poll on my last site at the time and I was pushing like hell for Mitchell as captain too. Lui was, um, a bit out of no where :)
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by Yankee Canuck on Sep 13, 2010 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Mitchell
Would have made a great captain
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definitely new A's
last year, we had Hank, Kes and Willie as official A’s, with Dank and Salo filling in for injuries. Willie’s gone, Salo’s out for a few months, and one of Hank and Kes will likely be the new C
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Can I maker a write-in vote for Trevor Linden.
by Beantown Canuck on Sep 13, 2010 12:31 PM PDT reply actions
nettrashcan
Only way to settle captaincy issue is with a rousing game of musical chairs at center ice. #canucks
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Gillis Interview
Video: Mike Gillis explains why Roberto Luongo gave up the C
Gillis said the team hopes to have a new captain in place by the start of the regular season, but acknowledged the Canucks could start the new season without anyone wearing the C.
"We talked a little bit over the summer and had a feeling this was the direction he was going to go in," Gillis said. "He confirmed it last night and said heād rather just focus on stopping the puck. He is going to continue with all the leadership stuff he had before, but not have the same sort of expectations from media on game days that has happened the last couple of years."
“No one is a shoo-in for the job," Gillis said. "This just occurred the last couple of days. We are going to take our time and we have a leadership group in place which consists of players we respect a lot. But we also have some new players who are highly accomplished and they have an opportunity to step into that leadership group as well and we havenāt even started camp yet. We are going to take our time and evaluate things as we move along."
I voted for Kesler,but then I realized that I din’t vote for Henrik because is Swedish. I realize that it’s unfair to do that. So, I am torn.
Kesler has the fire and passion (Good). But he can also be a hothead (Bad). And due to his passion, he is prone to making enemies and creating adversitiy (Bad).
Henrik may lack the outspoken and passionate nature of Kesler (Bad), but he is just as competitive (Good). And he may be a better leader because he is a better diplomat and reconciler (Very Good). And he is not a choker like Naslund (Good). He is not as hard on himself as Naslund (Good)
But he is Swedish (Bad)
And I am a bigot (Bad).
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What’s wrong with having a captain willing to get emotional and make enemies, especially if he’s standing up for the team?
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Messier certainly had enemies
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by Section 312 on Sep 13, 2010 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, I wouldn’t compare Kesler with Messier. I imagine that Messier was more of an authoritarian, it’s my way or the highway. Kesler is more of a blue-collar type of guy.
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I wasn't comparing them
just saying that having a captain that makes some enemies isn’t that big of a deal.
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by Section 312 on Sep 13, 2010 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions
May be true. Being able to inspire is very important, and Kesler may be the best guy for that.
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Maybe not us
but a couple other cup winning teams. And I would love a cup.
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by Section 312 on Sep 13, 2010 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions
I hope not, but it goes with the territory, that passionate an hot-blooded people are prone to polarize and antagonize, while people with a more even temper are better with reconciling differences and be more objective. So, the qualities of the latter are great leadership qualities.
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by AttilaS on Sep 13, 2010 2:57 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
No Contest
I tend to agree with this line of reasoning. I’m a huge Kesler fan — he’s got skill, grit, defense, offense and passion — but it wouldn’t surprise me if his teammates occasionally find him irritating. He’s often reminded me of Keith Tkachuck in his early days — the Jets made him a captain in 1993, and although his production was good, there were always doubts about his suitability as a captain — too brash, not well respected in the league, and probably too selfish.
Also, even though he had a great season, Kesler seemed too easily frustrated last year. His passion in tough games sometimes had him spinning his wheels without being effective. In several games toward the end of the season, he was all but invisible. Granted, he has a difficult role and plays against the best, but he didn’t look like a guy who could (cliche alert!) carry the team on his back. That said, he’s young and talented with a long contract, and I suspect he’ll have his chance to be captain — just not yet.
In the other corner, we’ve got a guy who was judged to be the most valuable player (to his team) in the ENTIRE LEAGUE last year. 112 points, and in many of those games he looked like he was carrying the team. 426 points and +93 over the past five seasons, and every year he’s looked stronger, more disciplined and more focused on winning. He’ll be playing his 10th season as a Canuck despite being only 30, and has a bunch of years left on his contract.
I don’t buy the argument that a quiet personality is a detriment — Henrik leads by example. It would be be a slap in the face for them to not offer it to him. Imagine the message it would send to the rest of the team if they didn’t. And he’ll accept it, because his time is now.
by headspacej on Sep 13, 2010 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
You make some very valid points
But you could also point out that the Hawks got into the Sedin’s heads in the playoffs this year, both of them looked very frustrated in games 3 and 4.
Both choices are good for different reasons.
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Man, you just reminded me how the Canucks collectively lost their heads in those games. Daniel Sedin fighting….WTF? Let’s pretend that those games din’t happen.
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Yeah those were bad times
I literally ripped off my jersey and threw it across my room into a corner after game 4, and didn’t pick it back up for the rest of the series. Probably the most angry I’ve been at something I can’t control.
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I was more pissed
at the disallowed Dank goal.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Sep 13, 2010 6:32 PM PDT up reply actions
That wasn't as bad
Because the team wasn’t falling apart at the seams right in front of your eyes
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Yeah true
they were shooting themselves in the foot.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Sep 13, 2010 6:37 PM PDT up reply actions
By the way, I don’t know whether it was mentioned in this thread, but Luongo’s declining performance during the last two years may easily be attributable to his responsibilities as captain.
Being a goalie requires incredible focus, to the point of shutting out the entire world and having tunnel vision (this is what I was told by those who know more about the position). Being captain is the exact opposite, you have to constantly interact with others. I firmly believe that Lou lost his focus while wearing the C.
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I really hope this is the case
The return of 2006-2007 Lou would be wonderful
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I for one
would love Burrows as captain.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Sep 13, 2010 3:43 PM PDT reply actions
That’s an interesting thought. Captaincy may benefit more the actual captain than the rest of the team, by becoming more responsible and dedicated to the team. Initially, alternating C seems repulsive to me, but I would love to see Burrows as captain for a few weeks. Just to see what happens to him. With that in mind, alternatig captaincy doesn’t seem to be such a bad idea.
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I don't want alternate captaincy
just give the “C” to Burrows and be done with it.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Sep 13, 2010 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions
That’s the spirit!
But as HeadspaceJ pointed out, what kind of message would that send to Henrik? That no matter what he does for this team, he is not good enough to be a leader? First they will have to offer it to Henrik, and if he refuses, then all bets are off, of course.
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Yes
offer it to Hank, if he doesn’t want it, give it to Burrows.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Sep 13, 2010 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions
And I am sure you realize, that offering it to Hank would make Dank happy as well. I don’t know whether they do their laundry jointly, but no matter who picks out the jersey with the C, people can’t tell. They could be alternating without us knowing it.
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I remember an interview they did with George Stroumboulopoulus (sp? I call him Snuffalupagus) where they said they used to trick refs when during faceoffs. If Hank gets kikcked out of a faceoff, he’d circle around Dank and go back in again.
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I don't think you have to offer it to Henrik
just cause he had a great season. And you certainly don’t have to offer it to anyone to avoid hurting feelings or sending the wrong message. You get the leadership group in a room and talk to them and the captain will emerge.
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by Section 312 on Sep 13, 2010 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions
bottom line, Section. Bottom line
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by Sean Zandberg on Sep 13, 2010 9:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Kesler
I second all the reasons people have given so far on this thread. It’s certainly no slight meant toward Henrik, just my feeling that Kesler is the type of guy I’d like to see with the C. He’s a two time Selke nominee, he emerged quite nicely as a leader on a young US Olympic team. I really have a sense his best is in front of him. I have no reservations about him growing into the statesman role.
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I like...
…the team choosing the captain. Call the players in one at a time as part of the training camp routine and ask flat out “Who do you think is right for this job?”
Other than Schroeder saying he’d be able to do it, listen to the players who are in the room. Oh, and don’t wait until two months into the season to get the letter on: do it before camp if possible, before pre-season if not.
I don't like that approach
then it becomes more of a popularity contest.
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by Section 312 on Sep 13, 2010 5:34 PM PDT up reply actions
That’s why it’s each in the office, away from the other players. The final decision is still the coach’s, of course, but any concerns players have will be voiced, too.
O’Brien may be popular with the players, but I don’t think many have him tagged as ‘captain’ material. Maybe if he’s buying… 8)
Yeah but then everyone knows that everyone
went in the office and said what they thought and if someone who thinks they deserve it doesn’t get it then they start thinking that the team doesn’t think they are a leader blah blah blah. Cliques develop or get even more defined. I don’t like it. Coaching staff and front office pick a guy and then if there is some resentment at first it is focused on them and not on other guys on the team.
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by Section 312 on Sep 13, 2010 5:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Agree completely
Even though they are all professional athletes, it’s not a team-selected player, it’s the face the management wants representing the team.
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
I know coached like a certain type depending on the coach
I think the current coach here in FSJ likes a captain who is a hard worker all the time, coach-able and will talk when needed. But that’s junior so the criteria is probably a lot different at the NHL level.
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by Section 312 on Sep 13, 2010 5:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah
You don’t want the team selecting a captain that will conflict with the coaching staff/management. That would not be a good situation.
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
“Other than Schroeder saying he’d be able to do it”.
I love it. I like that about him too. Hopefully he shows more of that tonight. And at camp. And in the preseason…
He IS being compared to Kane after all…
Hunter S. Thompson
America... just a nation of two hundred million used car salesmen with all the money we need to buy guns and no qualms about killing anybody else in the world who tries to make us uncomfortable.
Oh good. What humble, team-first player can we trade for?
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I was being a little facetious, but honestly?
I like the occasional arrogant guy…as long as he backs it up.
Don’t back it up in the NHL, and you are quickly just another punk.
Hunter S. Thompson
America... just a nation of two hundred million used car salesmen with all the money we need to buy guns and no qualms about killing anybody else in the world who tries to make us uncomfortable.
Me too, but I don’t. And I think Kane is more than arrogant, I think it’s pretty clear he’s a shitty person, and nobody needs that.
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A shitty person
with a cup ring. I would take 20 of those on my team.
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"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
by Section 312 on Sep 14, 2010 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Amen
Nucks Misconduct
"Here goes nothin'" - Han Solo
by Sean Zandberg on Sep 14, 2010 6:57 PM PDT up reply actions
and the Cup winning goal to boot
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"Here goes nothin'" - Han Solo
by Sean Zandberg on Sep 14, 2010 6:57 PM PDT up reply actions
all this talk of the Captaincy changing
makes me think of this guy on HFboards who was arguing, in the midst of Philly’s reg season slump (ca. december, I think), that having Richards wear the C over Pronger is ridiculous, because Pronger would beat Richards in a (and this is a very direct quote) “sweatpants-only fistfight”. Which notion ranks among my favourite ever, on any topic.
by Passive Voice on Sep 13, 2010 5:39 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Hilarious
I wonder who we think would be the winner of a royal rumble style Canucks sweatpants only fist fight?
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"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
by Section 312 on Sep 13, 2010 5:44 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Is that even a question?
Rypien would destroy everyone in about 3.1 seconds
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
by Semi_Colon on Sep 13, 2010 5:54 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sweat pants only though
I think SOB might have a chance.
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"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
by Section 312 on Sep 13, 2010 5:55 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm curious to hear your reasoning
Why sweatpants only would elevate SOB’s game. And not his game at picking up at the Roxy, which I’m sure would increase if it were sweatpants only, but only if he doesn’t have extra happy-weight on
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
by Semi_Colon on Sep 13, 2010 5:59 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sweatpants only
is a specific type of fighting and being um longer in the shower if you will can help a combatant.
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"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
by Section 312 on Sep 13, 2010 6:01 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I may need some elaboration here
I tried to google search for “sweatpants only fighting” and the first link was a question on help.com from some guy asking how to get his girlfriend to stop wearing sweatpants
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
by Semi_Colon on Sep 13, 2010 6:05 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well if you are only wearing sweatpants
then there is a body part that could be used as a weapon or a distraction.
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"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
by Section 312 on Sep 13, 2010 6:06 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
What kind of sweatpants do you wear?
I mean, I can kind of see how, but that would be really awkward.
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
by Semi_Colon on Sep 13, 2010 6:11 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I was just trying to make a joke
about wearing sweatpants only and fighting and erections. I mean you have warn sweatpants only before right? And reached full arousal? It’s not exactly a secret.
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"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
by Section 312 on Sep 13, 2010 6:16 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I know, it took a while in middle school to realize jeans were better than sweat/track pants
That’s why I said it would be awkward if you were to fight and try to use your dong as a weapon. You’d have to pop a tent with a bunch of dudes around and then fight.
I am now trying to get the mental image of a bunch of dudes in sweatpants with erections getting ready to fight. Thanks a lot section
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
by Semi_Colon on Sep 13, 2010 6:22 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well that's why SOB has an advantage
cause I don’t think he would have to pitch one to use it as a weapon. Do you see where I was going with all of this now?
But let’s be honest fighting in sweatpants only would be awkward chubby or not.
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"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
by Section 312 on Sep 13, 2010 6:27 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yes, it took a while
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
by Semi_Colon on Sep 13, 2010 6:33 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
There is no good way to say this but
I grew up playing a lot of sports and being around naked dudes. So this kind of humor is hilarious to me and it doesn’t make me uncomfortable but we should probably stop this convo now in case I am creeping out others.
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"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
by Section 312 on Sep 13, 2010 6:35 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I agree
I wear spandex everyday for rowing, so the same thing applies (being comfortable with the humour). And for the sake of others, yes, we should probably stop discussing sweatpants and related paraphernalia.
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
by Semi_Colon on Sep 13, 2010 6:38 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
What kind of sweatpants do you wear?
I love that I scanned to the bottom of the thread and record scratched at this sentence. Ha.
'Nucks Misconduct - Housing Swedish Millionaires Since 2000.
by Yankee Canuck on Sep 13, 2010 6:35 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
haha

"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
by Semi_Colon on Sep 13, 2010 6:43 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
What a crock
And Luongo added:
“It was my decision the whole time and I never felt pressure to give it up or to keep it.”
You never know what you don't know until you know it.
Glad
to have you back yoata!
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Sep 14, 2010 12:02 AM PDT up reply actions
You're just mad
that you won’t be able to bitch about luongo throwing teammates under the bus anymore.
"I do not recognize the vessel... but the eyes seem so familiar"
"You'll be playing in England the rest of your career" Alex Burrows
"I'm not a water dwelling mammal, where did you get that preposterous hypothesis, did steve tell you that?" FotC
I know
“I’m accountable for my actions and I’m always first to admit when I could be better.”
I just about spit coffee all over my dash when I heard that on the radio this morning.
You never know what you don't know until you know it.
What about this one?
But some nights, you can’t always blame yourself either. You want to recognize your faults, but not put yourself down all the time. It’s tough to do that to your teammates as well.
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
Didn't seem
to be too tough for him, and almost impossible to blame himself, still is obviously, guy is in complete denial.
You never know what you don't know until you know it.
Well, “complete denial” isn’t a fair assessment of Lou. He pretty much admitted he fukt up in his own special way. It’s not like he’s on Oprah or anything. All that matters is what he told his teammates away from the god damned reporters and all we have to go on is what reporters show us
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"Here goes nothin'" - Han Solo
by Sean Zandberg on Sep 14, 2010 7:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Not true
I base that opinion on his own words, which over and over again deflected the blame off himself and onto others and/or made excuses for/disregarded his own poor play. That ain’t leadership, that’s primadona bullshit.
You never know what you don't know until you know it.
Is it 4 months ago
already?
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"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
by Section 312 on Sep 14, 2010 11:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Time machine?
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
Must be hard
to live every day with all your self righteous flawlessness.
"I do not recognize the vessel... but the eyes seem so familiar"
"You'll be playing in England the rest of your career" Alex Burrows
"I'm not a water dwelling mammal, where did you get that preposterous hypothesis, did steve tell you that?" FotC
I'll take reality
over the rainbows and sugar fountains world you live in where a Canuck can do no wrong. You want to believe everything is rosie go for it, I call a spade a spade no matter what jersey he wears.
You never know what you don't know until you know it.
Racist!!!
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"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
by Section 312 on Sep 15, 2010 6:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Forgot to mention
this whole “make the goalie captain” pet theory of Gillis’… yet another fail…
You never know what you don't know until you know it.
agree. twas a fail. At least some of the fails are gone..Lu’s captaincy, Demitra…
I’m curious of your opinion of his signings of Hamhuis and Ballard
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by Sean Zandberg on Sep 16, 2010 1:06 AM PDT up reply actions
Both
good players, but he paid way too much for Ballard, and will either replace Mitchell? Will either be the QB they’ve always lacked?
I think there were better options out there.
You never know what you don't know until you know it.
Who? And how?
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"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
by Section 312 on Sep 16, 2010 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes I want to know too
also, I asked you a little while back who we should sign if Lu’s contract was voided, you didn’t answer.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Sep 16, 2010 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Who?
You said someone who doesn’t choke but didn’t name anyone.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Sep 17, 2010 2:35 AM PDT up reply actions
Again
Gonchar
Volchenkov
Also would have signed Rob Niedermayer instead of Malhotra for way less with the bonus of possibly luring Scott to play for one more year in his home province.
I’ve said all this before.
Also, there was this local guy named Willie Mitchell…
You never know what you don't know until you know it.
It was never a certainty
that Mitchell would come back. Plus this team needed puck movers and Willie is not one of those.
Gonchar at 5.5 on a 35+ deal where if he retires we are still on the hook for his cap hit? If MG had done that deal you would have shit your pants.
Volchenkov, maybe. But he is another Willie Mitchell type who doesn’t provide much other than blocking shots and throwing the puck off the glass and out. Last year he set a career high with 4 goals.
MG was looking for D men who could move the puck and he got two pretty good ones. The only puck mover you proposed here would have cost too much considering his age and diminishing skill set and durability.
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"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
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by Section 312 on Sep 17, 2010 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions
Don't tell me
what I would have done, Gonchar is an elite dman, a cup winner, a Norris candidate, a true QB that we have never had, he would instantly make this team better and is well worth the risk.
We have plenty of puck movers, but wthout Mitchell we have no shutdown dman, what about that gaping hole on the PK especially?
What about what Ballard cost? Gonchar was a UFA, that means we keep Grabner, Bernier and the 1st as well.
You never know what you don't know until you know it.
I would have traded Bernier
for a fucking corn dog. And our scouts seemed to think this was a pretty weak draft after the top picks so they were willing to part with their first rounder. They’ve been pretty good lately getting talent in the draft so I trust them on that one. So I am not so sure we really gave up that much for Ballard. Especially since I am of the belief Grabner isn’t the kind of player that would help us win in the playoffs.
And there is no way in hell that I would sign Gonchar. First of all we may not have ever had a true PP QB as you put it but I am not so sure we need one. Our PP was very good last year. I am not sure Gonchar makes us that much better on the PP and he can’t defend as well as he used to so I don’t see him as being worth 5.5 million on a 3 year deal. There is no way that can be considered a good deal. And that’s what we would have had to compete with to get him. We have plenty of puck movers? Since when? Pretty much everyone agreed coming into the off season that the Canucks big weakness was a lack of puck moving D men. With Edler coming into his own and Ballard and Hamhuis able to eat lots of minutes I am confident we don’t need a shut down guy. I think that role is over rated anyway. I will take a guy who is 20% less than Mitchell defensively but 60-70% better offensively every day of the week. In that scenario the team is better all around.
I am not saying there weren’t better options than Ballard and Hamhuis but for me Gonchar wasn’t one of them. And if he suffers an injury that makes him think about retiring or maybe he just decides to hang them up after this first year and the Sens cap has a 5.5 million dollar hit against it and no Gonchar? That is not something I would have been prepared for the Canucks to have to deal with.
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"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
by Section 312 on Sep 17, 2010 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Huh?
Canucks problem in the playoffs was keeping the puck out of their net, not scoring more, they absolutely need a shutdown dman, and instead they’ve lost the one they had.
Gonchar is 36 not 40, he’s 4 years younger than Lidstrom, same age as Rafalski, a year younger than Niedermayer, year older than Pronger, and every team in the league would take those guys for the next 3 years. Cup winning Norris candidates don’t grow on trees, and rarer still do they become UFAs, even at 36. Giving up the farm for a mediocre dman is hardly a better deal, what about that risk? Talk about there being no way to be considered a good deal.
And as far as Bernier goes, it was Gillisgan that not only gave up a good pick for him, but then also re-upped him for 3 years for too much $, just like he has done over and over again. You’d better hope Hamhuis is a late bloomer if you think Gonchar for 3 years was a risk.
You never know what you don't know until you know it.
And
if you’re talking about future consequences, that Ballard deal looks even worse considering they gave up 2 young players as well as the only pick they had in the first 3 rounds of the draft, yeah that won’t hurt them down the road…
You never know what you don't know until you know it.
Yeah you are right
this team couldn’t afford to trade away good young players to try to win now. Our system is pretty much dry now. Oh wait. No it’s not.
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"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
by Section 312 on Sep 18, 2010 1:59 AM PDT up reply actions
Once again
you put words in my mouth, obviously that’s what’s left you when you simply can’t accept another’s valid opinion.
Where did I say that at all? I said this was a drastic overpayment for what they got in return and that they could have received even better players via free agency without giving up anything. I am more than ok with trading assetts to acquire others, so long as the deal is sound, this one was not imo, TFB if you can’t handle that.
You never know what you don't know until you know it.
Where did I put words in your mouth?
I was being sarcastic to try and make a point. I never once said that you said any of those things. You are just so sensitive yoata. I accept your valid opinion. It’s wrong but I accept it. You need to lighten up a little and have a few laughs.
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"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
by Section 312 on Sep 18, 2010 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions
And just how
am I supposed to know this latest post of yours isn’t just more of the same that you’ve been spewing so far, telling me what I would think etc?
“You are right” as a precursor to a statement is a pretty good indication that you are attributing that statement to someone, don’t backpedal too fast.
You never know what you don't know until you know it.
I said Yeah you are right
Yeah you are right being sarcastic and referring to your assertion that the Canucks over paid for Ballard. Then I went on to highlight how we can afford to over pay anyway cause we are pretty well stocked with young talent and I did it in a funny witty way.
No back pedaling going on at all here yoata. Just explaining to you once again what I meant since you almost always take my comments the wrong way. Maybe my fault for not being more clear but everyone else seems to get it most of the time.
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"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
by Section 312 on Sep 18, 2010 6:35 PM PDT up reply actions
You were neither
witty nor funny, and again saying “you are right” indicates that the statement following was mine, which it was anything but.
There is nothing unclear about that, you were clearly attributing that notion to me, and like I said I don’t need you putting words in my mouth.
You never know what you don't know until you know it.
I wasn't attributing anything to you
but since you have never once changed your mind or admitted that you misread something or misinterpreted something I said I don’t know why I am still engaging in this.
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"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
by Section 312 on Sep 18, 2010 6:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah you are right
this team couldnāt afford to trade away good young players to try to win now
WTF is that?
You never know what you don't know until you know it.
The statement
you misinterpreted.
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"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
by Section 312 on Sep 18, 2010 7:03 PM PDT up reply actions
These
are the kinds of things you pull that leave you with no integrity and me with no reason to talk to you.
You never know what you don't know until you know it.
No integrity?
It’s the comment section on a hockey blog. You are unbelievable.
I know what I meant when I wrote that comment and I know how I was expecting it to be received. You missed the point and received the message wrong. Now that is probably my fault as the author of the post. I didn’t make myself clear enough. That’s fine. I will accept that and try to do better in the future.
But you trying to tell me what I meant is laughable. You know what I really meant even if I tell you I meant something different. OK. Whatever.
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by Section 312 on Sep 18, 2010 7:21 PM PDT up reply actions
If you didn't
have a constant habit of trying to put words in my mouth I might give you the benefit of the doubt, but even then, I don’t see what could be misconstrued about what you said there, it’s pretty plain in black and white.
You never know what you don't know until you know it.
I don't try to
nor do I put words in your mouth. And I have no idea where this idea comes from.
The point of the “yeah you are right” post above was simply to state, in a sarcastic and hopefully funny way, my opinion that we could afford to over pay for Ballard, even though I am not sure we did in fact over pay, because our farm system is pretty well stocked. That’s all I was trying to do. I wasn’t trying to nor did I put words in your mouth. And again if that didn’t come across then it is my fault and I am sorry. I will try harder in the future to make sure my statements are more clear. As I tried to do below.
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by Section 312 on Sep 18, 2010 7:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Gillis could trade for Jesus and Moses and
you’d think it was a bad deal.
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"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
by Section 312 on Sep 18, 2010 1:57 AM PDT up reply actions
I was just doing that
what a wonderful sport full of power, athleticism, and grace. Beautiful.
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"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
by Section 312 on Sep 18, 2010 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions
What's wrong with ballet?
I doubt you are a better athlete than a ballerina.
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"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
by Section 312 on Sep 18, 2010 6:36 PM PDT up reply actions
On the things I really care about
*yoata note: that was a joke.
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by Section 312 on Sep 18, 2010 6:53 PM PDT up reply actions
As for the Rob and Scott thing
I prefer Malhotra as a player although I do think we over paid to get him. I just don’t see any way that Scott would have played here even if Rob was here. We also don’t know if Rob even wanted to play here.
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"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
by Section 312 on Sep 17, 2010 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions
Still
less risk in just signing Rob than in just signing Malhotra.
You never know what you don't know until you know it.
Less potential
reward as well.
"We love them, We mourn for them, Unlucky boys of Red" - Morrissey
"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
by Section 312 on Sep 17, 2010 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Really
"We love them, We mourn for them, Unlucky boys of Red" - Morrissey
"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
by Section 312 on Sep 18, 2010 1:57 AM PDT up reply actions
How many
finals has Malhotra been to?
Niedermayer has been to 3, won a Cup, but that’s ok, Canucks have so much playoff exper… oh…
You never know what you don't know until you know it.
Playoff experience
the only thing more over rated is Leo DiCaprio’s acting.
"We love them, We mourn for them, Unlucky boys of Red" - Morrissey
"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
by Section 312 on Sep 18, 2010 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions
How much SCF winning experience
did the Hawks have last year?
"We love them, We mourn for them, Unlucky boys of Red" - Morrissey
"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
by Section 312 on Sep 18, 2010 6:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Why
do you think they went out and got Madden? 2-time finalist Hossa? They also had Ladd, and even Kopecky was a black ace with the Wings, that kind of experience is invaluable in the room whether you think so or not.
You never know what you don't know until you know it.
They got Madden to shut people down
and they got Hossa cause he was a clear upgrade on Havlat.
And thanks for telling me that no matter what my opinion is wrong and yours is correct. I appreciate you making that clear for me. Awesome. You want me to respect your opinion maybe you should try doing the same fucking thing? Maybe? No?
Playoff experience can help at times but it doesn’t guarantee anything and it is pretty much never the reason a team moves on against another. You don’t need it to win and you don’t win because you have it. That’s why it’s over rated.
"We love them, We mourn for them, Unlucky boys of Red" - Morrissey
"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
by Section 312 on Sep 18, 2010 6:59 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL
coming from the guy who said “I accept your opinion, it’s wrong but I accept it”.
Yeah the fact those guys had won cups/been to finals had nothing to do with it, just like it’s had nothing to do with many teams acquiring such experience for the playoffs going back almost forever.
You asked about their cup experience, I told you, so once again you backpedal.
Nobody said anything about guarantees, once again you try to put words in my mouth, why don’t you fuck off with that BS?
How the fuck would you know what is needed to win or why a team wins that has it? Nice circular argument man lol.
You never know what you don't know until you know it.
You are so ridiculous.
We are arguing. Of course I think your opinion is wrong. Do I have to tell you every fucking time I am stating an opinion. Fine. In my opinion your opinion is wrong. But I accept that you have a different opinion and I know you are a smart guy so I definitely considered what you were saying and put some thought into it before I came to a decision on what my opinion would be and my opinion was that your opinion is wrong.
I didn’t back pedal. I stated why I think they brought in some of those players. The cup experience probably played a part in why they brought them in but it wasn’t the main reason. You are right. They had more than I thought. I still think their main contributors and the main players that brought them that cup didn’t have experience. But they did have more than I realized. Again no back pedaling.
Also, I never fucking said that you said playoff experience was a guarantee. You keep assuming I am putting words in your mouth. I am not. I was simply stating my opinion that having playoff experience doesn’t guarantee anyone is going to win which is part of the reason why I think that it is over rated. Teams with no experience have won and teams with lots of experience have won. I don’t see it is an overridingly important thing to have on your team. You obviously do. Again, I respect that opinion as I know you are a smart and seasoned hockey observer and I am definitely going to pay more attention this season to who has the most play off experience and how they do in the playoffs to see if maybe I am wrong. But as things stand now I feel differently.
And finally my opinion on what it takes to win is based on my playing experience and my experience being around hockey teams that have won things. Like the FSJ Flyers who won the National title, the Allan Cup, this past season. They beat Bentley in the final. Bentley had won it the year before and had returned pretty much the same team. The Flyers had two or three guys who had ever even played in an Allan Cup. I was around that team all season as their broadcaster and from what I saw, which is obviously not everything that a player would see, experience of winning isn’t all it’s made out to be. That’s why in my opinion it is over rated. Now obviously I have never played in the NHL nor coached or broadcasted the NHL and it is a higher level of hockey and the Stanley Cup is much harder to win than the Allan Cup so in no way am I saying that this experience should be taken as anything other than a sliver of the various reasons I have formed my opinion on this topic. It was just a nice example and an easy anecdote to tell.
"We love them, We mourn for them, Unlucky boys of Red" - Morrissey
"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
by Section 312 on Sep 18, 2010 7:32 PM PDT up reply actions

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