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While reading the always excellent and highly recommended Daily Ramblings section from Jeff Angus over here. I got to the bottom where he pointed out this little nugget.  The Top Five goalies in save percentage, and the corresponding spot their teams  are in taking minor penalties.

1: Rask ( 29th in taking minors,list here...)
2: Miller ( 21st)
3: Brodeur (30th) Vokoun ( 25th in minors )
4: Niemi (27th)  Halak (10th most minors in NHL...guess he helped the PK! )
5: Howard  (28th)

Except for the part where his stats are off, I like what he was trying to get across.  I've adjusted them to make it minors only, and put the right goalies in.  But his point is valid.   The Top 5 save % goalies actually are Rask, Miller, Vokoun, Halak, and Howard...but a good PK definitely helps a goaltender have a good season...

My first time saying this...more after the jump!

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Here are the actual stats.

Player Team   GP GS Sv Sv% W L OT GA GAA SA SO G A PIM TOI
1 Tuukka Rask BOS 45 39 1137 .931 22 12 5 84 1.97 1221 5 0 3 2 2,562:11
2 Ryan Miller BUF 69 68 1948 .929 41 18 8 150 2.22 2098 5 0 0 4 4,047:10
3 Tomas Vokoun FLA 63 62 1924 .925 23 28 11 157 2.55 2081 7 0 2 0 3,695:01
4 Jaroslav Halak MTL 45 43 1281 .924 26 13 5 105 2.40 1386 5 0 0 0 2,629:56
5 Jimmy Howard DET 63 61 1708 .924 37 15 10 141 2.26 1849 3 0 2 2 3,740:15
6 Evgeni Nabokov SJS 71 71 1998 .922 44 16 10 170 2.43 2168 3 0 0 6 4,194:07
7 Ty Conklin STL 26 21 704 .921 10 10 2 60 2.48 764 4 0 1 4 1,451:11
8 Henrik Lundqvist NYR 73 72 1942 .921 35 27 10 167 2.38 2109 4 0 1 0 4,203:49
9 Ilya Bryzgalov PHX 69 69 1805 .920 42 20 6 156 2.29 1961 8 0 1 4 4,084:27
10 Miikka Kiprusoff CGY 73 72 1872 .920 35 28 10 163 2.31 2035 4 0 0 4 4,235:19
11 Jonas Hiller ANA 59 58 1708 .918 30 23 4 152 2.73 1860 2 0 2 0 3,337:44
12 Craig Anderson COL 71 71 2047 .917 38 25 7 186 2.64 2233 7 0 3 16 4,235:21
13 Martin Brodeur NJD 77 76 1836 .916 45 25 6 168 2.24 2004 9 0 3 6 4,499:01
14 Cam Ward CAR 47 45 1290 .916 18 23 5 119 2.69 1409 0 0 3 0 2,651:09
15 Johan Hedberg ATL 47 42 1240 .915 21 16 6 115 2.62 1355 3 0 1 6 2,631:57
16 Tim Thomas BOS 43 43 1117 .915 17 18 8 104 2.56 1221 5 0 0 8 2,441:52
17 Chris Mason STL 61 61 1551 .913 30 22 8 148 2.53 1699 2 0 0 0 3,512:09
18 Roberto Luongo VAN 68 67 1748 .913 40 22 4 167 2.57 1915 4 0 0 0 3,899:24
19 Marty Turco DAL 53 52 1465 .913 22 20 11 140 2.72 1605 4 0 4 10 3,087:51
20 Antti Niemi CHI 39 35 854 .912 26 7 4 82 2.25 936 7 0 1 0 2,190:28
21 Carey Price MTL 41 39 1135 .912 13 20 5 109 2.77 1244 0 0 1 8 2,358:21
22 Pekka Rinne NSH 58 54 1404 .911 32 16 5 137 2.53 1541 7 0 0 2 3,245:41
23 Jose Theodore WSH 47 43 1231 .911 30 7 7 121 2.81 1352 1 0 2 0 2,585:38
24 Semyon Varlamov WSH 26 23 653 .909 15 4 6 65 2.55 718 2 0 1 0 1,527:26
25 Dan Ellis NSH 31 28 771 .909 15 13 1 77 2.69 848 1 0 1 4 1,714:39
26 Brian Elliott OTT 55 48 1294 .909 29 18 4 130 2.57 1424 5 0 1 0 3,037:56
27 Antero Niittymaki TBL 49 46 1261 .909 21 18 5 127 2.87 1388 1 0 1 0 2,657:11
28 Manny Legace CAR 28 24 676 .907 10 7 5 69 2.81 745 1 0 1 0 1,472:02
29 Jean-Sebastien Giguere TOR, ANA 35 32 935 .907 10 15 7 96 2.85 1031 3 0 0 2 2,023:40
30 Dwayne Roloson NYI 50 49 1410 .907 23 18 7 145 3.00 1555 1 0 0 14 2,897:18

 

Save percentage is certainly helped by a good PK,( but the overpowering PP can help.)  Generally, I would prefer a team that is top 10 in both.  Looking at the list of top penalty killing teams, there a couple of non playoff teams in the Top 10, and some very good teams in the middle of the pack.  So, obviously there is more than one way of getting it done. I for one, however, was not filled with confidence in our ability to kill off a late penalty in the playoffs when it mattered these past playoffs...

The Canucks took the 5th most penalties in the league, behind the Bolts, Flyers,Ducks, and Blues.  And for those that think the Pens get all the calls, they are sixth!    Just talking about minors, its still too many.  The worst six there are Philly,TB, Pit, Ana, St Loo and Vancouver.

Of course, if you are going to take stupid penalties  ( looking at you guys ; Twins...Juice, AHLberts ...etc...etc.. .and with the style that Burrows and Kesler play, and their burgeoning reputations...it doesn't help .), you need a good PK   ( well duh!!!)  The Canuck PK was 18th.  

Part of that was perhaps the goalie, but hockey is a team game, and they just didn't kill penalties consistently. ( and lest we forget, 40 wins...goalie had to help some there right?  And his save % of .913 is just under Brodeur's .916 and just ahead of Niemi's .912.   It is all relative.  I for one expect him to be better this coming year, which will certainly help the PK )  Malholtra and other moves, and the development of current players in that skill set will help.  The PK should be better next year.  It needs to be.

( Newell Brown is more the PP guru. Don't expect him to help these guys, though a new voice will help. He took the Ducks from 20th overall in 07/08 to back to back 5th overall the past two seasons. )

The top teams on the PK mirrors the top teams , in some cases.  The Top 5 are the Blues, Sabres, Bruins, Hawks and Sharks .... ( another reason you don't want our best penalty killing defenseman signing with the Sharks.  If you leave town Willie, go to the Caps, OK? )  The Blues scare me if their PK is that good AND they have Halak., huh? 

With an already potent PP ( 6th last year ), let's hope the Canucks just don't try to score themselves out of their problems.  Yes, it is very entertaining, and I loved all those comeback wins during the season.

But I am greedy this year.  If you want to go for the Cup ( and the team that won that was Top 5 in the PK and only 16th on the PP in the regular season. ) ...you need to have both.  Lock down Willie for this year and trade Bieksa GMMG.

The PK skills he has as opposed to Juice's meanderings on the PK may become more important than the scoring Bieksa brings on the PP.  

 

 

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Agreed

In 2006/2007, the Canucks led the league with the #1 PK. That same year was first year Luongo wore the Canucks jersey, he won 47 games, had a career best 2.29 GGA and was a candidate for the Vezina Trophy, Lester B. Pearson Award and Hart Memorial Trophy as the league MVP. Just saying maybe the PK had a little to do with that sucess….. ;)

I totally agree with you tho. We need a much better PK. The potential loss of Mitchell is devastating, but the addition of Malhotra will be essential to our PK this year. Generally, Stanley Cup winner are in the top half of both PK and PP. So special teams are really important. While we already have one of the best PP, which is supposed to get better with the addition of Nevell, our PK needs to get back into the top 10. AV needs to look back at the 06/07 season, and bring back that PK!

by DD WEST on Aug 6, 2010 1:34 AM PDT reply actions  

I forgot to mention Lui’s 1st year here. Nice catch.

I’d like to see that one more forward be a guy that can kill penalties too.

Then you have enough.

Malholtra- Burrows
Kesler-Raymond
new guy- someone from about 3-4 players at camp.
Throw in the Sedins in the last 30 seconds for that offensive threat ( I like when AV does that)..and we are good to go up front.

by vancitydan on Aug 6, 2010 11:08 AM PDT reply actions  

I would like to see

Kesler Raymond as the third group out on the PK. I don’t want Kess dropping down in front of a lot of shots now that he is an important offensive cog and maybe the best all around second line center in the West. If you put those two out later in the PK they might be able to catch a tired PP with their speed as well.

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by Section 312 on Aug 6, 2010 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

That works for me too. Managing the 5 mil asset better is always a good thing.

I wonder about some of the new guys and PK duties. I am not too worried about the two new D’men, but I want to know more about Victor O’. I hear he can skate well. If he is good enough to keep up on the PK, a guy that can separate a person from the puck along the boards is always good to have.

Like a smarter Bernier ( he did go to Notre Dame! )…

by vancitydan on Aug 6, 2010 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

Really? You guys would split up the terror twins on the PK? They’re the one cog in the PK wheel that’s never been broken! I say keep them together on line one, cuz all those short handed burrows goals? Mostly they come from Kes…

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by Twitchy2010 on Aug 6, 2010 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

When personnel changes

strategy changes. And with the addition of Malhotra it seems to me we can split those two up and have more PK depth.

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by Section 312 on Aug 6, 2010 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

why couldn’t we just keep burr and kes together, and put manny with mayray?

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by missy on Aug 6, 2010 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah. My thought about Kesler/Burr is that they are two very good offensive players with very good defensive skills. And together on the PK they make each other better on both sides. I don’t disagree at all that MM brings some PK depth, but I just don’t see how he would improve either Kes or Burr. I’m not saying don’t try it, cuz where would we be if AV didn’t try breaking those two up off the third line a while back? Just saying I don’t think it would work as well as it could.

Conversely, using missy’s idea, if MM can help MayRay’s defensive game, all of a sudden Raymond is a seriously valuable player.

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by Twitchy2010 on Aug 6, 2010 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

It's about having depth

and splitting up your best two PK guys and putting them with 2 over good PKers gives you 2 very good PK units. The concentration of those two together didn’t work last year did it? Our PK was awful.

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by Section 312 on Aug 6, 2010 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

well, actually, it was 18th in the league in the regular season. it just crashed in the playoffs when all the injuries hit.

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by missy on Aug 6, 2010 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm sorry is 18th in the league

not awful? Doesn’t that means more than half the league was better?

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by Section 312 on Aug 6, 2010 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

well, if washington can be at 22nd and still win the president’s trophy….

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by missy on Aug 6, 2010 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

correction

washington is at 25th.

and also, there’s only a 5.2% difference between 1st-place blues and 18th-place canucks.

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by missy on Aug 6, 2010 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

FWIW I would prefer a puck goes into Malhotra’s face over Kesler’s.

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by Yankee Canuck on Aug 6, 2010 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

splitting the Sedins up? But then when it goes back to 5 on 5 then what? Then they aren’t together because one is taking a breather.

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by Sean Zandberg on Aug 6, 2010 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

@Yankee: yeah, that HAS to be a huge reason why they got Malhotra.
That was a cool thing about Detroit in the past with Draper, Maltby…they chewed up the PK time

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by Sean Zandberg on Aug 6, 2010 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

And lose in the playoffs

having a good PK in the regular season probably gives a team a better chance of having a good one in the playoffs. I don’t want to win a president’s trophy I wan to win a cup.

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by Section 312 on Aug 6, 2010 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Have to agree

with Section here. 18th isn’t even good enough for the regular season, and if its good in the regular season it will transfer over to the post-season.

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by Chuckles Canuckles on Aug 6, 2010 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

The lesson I learned from this

Is take less penalties! On power plays shot quality improves and your goalie’s sv% drops, no matter how good he is. I agree that a good PK is crucial, but the less they have to work the better.

by Sandwich76 on Aug 6, 2010 12:13 PM PDT reply actions  

Yes. Its the stupid ones that always cost.

Missy is right, there is only a 5% difference in the 1st to 18th.. St Loo let in 45 goals on the PK, while the Nucks let in 59.

All things being equal, its no big deal when you look at where the teams finished up. The other ones up there that had good PK records though, that goal difference does matter.Buffalo/Boston and Chicago let in 38/37 and 39 goals respectively.

That differential is far more troubling . Even the 5th place team onPK %, SJ, let in 49 goals. Those 10 goals probably cost the Nucks a few points in the standings…

by vancitydan on Aug 6, 2010 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'd rather

split up Burr and Kes, spread the PK wealth evenly. They shouldn’t even be taking penalties if they can’t kill them off, but whatever, shit happens.

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by Chuckles Canuckles on Aug 6, 2010 2:59 PM PDT reply actions  

I'd like to see

our goaltender be our best PKer occasionally…

You never know what you don't know until you know it.

by yoata on Aug 6, 2010 7:44 PM PDT reply actions  

I have a feeling he might play more consistently next season without as many distractions, but only time will tell.

by SteveNux on Aug 7, 2010 1:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

He has a full time goalie coach, doesn’t have to worry about Team Canada, and should have some better players in front of him. Add the fact that he should be super motivated after losing to Chicago 2 years in a row and that he’s got some crazy new biking offseason workout, he should be better.

I’m hoping to see Luongo of old, the Luongo who used to amaze me with unbelievable saves. Not that he hasn’t been good, he just hasn’t been fantastic lately!

by DD WEST on Aug 7, 2010 1:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

And he won’t have to worry about the captaincy, either

by Beantown Canuck on Aug 7, 2010 8:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’m not so convinced about that. While I do think that the weight of the captaincy did add pressure, I think that removing the captaincy would cause quite a distraction for him. Luongo is a proud player, and to loose the captaincy would certainly look like a discredit on his career.

The best case scenario would be to find common ground between both management and Luongo to transfer the captaincy to another player, but from all accounts and Luongo’s comments at the end of the year, it sounded like he really enjoyed the role and wanted to keep it, which would make such a change all the more difficult.

It didn’t work so well for Madano when he was stripped of the captaincy. Then again, Marleau took fire when he was no longer captain. It could go either way.

by DD WEST on Aug 7, 2010 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

How about

Eric Staal?

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by Chuckles Canuckles on Aug 7, 2010 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not sure about that. Rob Brind’amour was stripped of the captaincy mid season and it was given to Staal. I dont follow the canes well enough to give my thoughts on either one’s performance after the fact or the reasoning behind it. It just seemed like a changing of the guard with Brind’amour retiring this season.

Lecavalier is another example. He was given captaincy at a young age and then stripped of it because of maturity issues. After becoming the captain again in for the 08/09 season, he suffered statistically. However, I believe that can be attributed to injuries and constant trade talk and not so much the pressure of being captain.

by DD WEST on Aug 7, 2010 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

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