Mock NHL Expansion Draft - Which Canucks Get Protected?
by Yankee Canuck on Aug 30, 2010 1:19 PM PDT
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When the NHL held an expansion draft for Nashville in 1998, Vancouver lost Scott Walker. In 1999 for Atlanta they lost Steve Staios. In 2000 for Minnesota and Columbus, they lost Darby Hendrickson.
Put your fantasy cap on because here we go again. Last week we alerted ya'll to the mock SBN expansion draft; the final votes are in and, congrats Canada, you have two new franchises NBC and Versus can ignore!
Before those media outlets can misspell Winnapeg & get nervous pronouncing Ville de Québec we need to stuff some players into their mock locker rooms. We teased the rules last week, but after the jump we'll post them again. Use the comments to list who you'd protect from the Canucks and we'll send the group consensus in.
Here are the protection rules:
- Teams can protect either 1 goalie, 5 defensemen and 9 forwards OR 2 goalies, 3 defensemen and 7 forwards. Since Vancouver doesn't have an experienced back-up to protect on the roster as of today, we need to take the first option.
- Each team must leave unprotected at least one defenseman who appeared in 40 games last season OR 70 games in the last two seasons combined.
- Each team must leave unprotected at least two forwards who appeared in 40 games last season OR 70 games in the last two seasons combined.
- Players who have not played 50 NHL games are automatically exempt.
To that last point, that means ignore the likes of Cody Hodgson, Jordan Schroeder, Cory Schneider, Sergei Shirokov and 2010 bubble players Mario Bliznak, Alexandre Bolduc, Guillaume Desbiens and Evan Oberg.
Remember also that leaving a player unprotected doesn't mean they'll automatically be taken. It's also worth keeping the contract overview handy just in case you feel it's prudent to cut ties with a guy heading into a UFA season.
Have at it folks!
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Goalie
Luongo
Defense
Ballard
Hamhuis
Edler
Ehrhoff
Bieksa
Forwards
Sedin
Sedin
Burrows
Kesler
Sammuelson
Raymond
Malholtra
Torres
Hansen
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by Yankee Canuck on Aug 30, 2010 9:43 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
This one’s pretty simple. There is no argument I can see that isn’t superfluous. For example, they can have the oft injured Sami Salo, but will they take a chance on him? Easily Bieksa is worth more. And sure I’m willing to give up Hansen, but who would we protect instead? Glass or Rypien? Yeeaaah.
I guess it’s prudent to mention that the veterans we’re leaving unprotected Salo, Alberts, Hordichuk, Rypien, and Glass.
So don't get violent and don't get caught with your head down, the night she stole the moon.
by thelastjohnny on Aug 30, 2010 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah it was down to Glass and Hansen. I think there’s more to Glass than we saw last year, but straight up with Hansen I’ll keep the Dane.
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by Yankee Canuck on Aug 30, 2010 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions
x2 (or now x3 if lastjohnny also agrees)
Oreskovich has played exactly 50 games. That’s too bad. It was between him and Hansen for me. And I might go with Oreo instead of Hansen, just from a salary perspective.
Clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose.
Yeah, this is dead on. An argument could be made for Oreskovich over Hansen, but I wouldn’t make it.
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by skeeter_dan on Aug 30, 2010 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions
Gelatinous Mutant Coconut's Picks:
Goalie:
Roberto Luongo
Defense:
Dan Hamhuis
Christian Ehrhoff
Alexander Edler
Sami Salo
Kevin Bieksa
Forwards:
Henrik Sedin
Daniel Sedin
Mikael Samuelsson
Ryan Kesler
Mason Raymond
Alex Burrows
Manny Malhotra
Jannick Hansen
Raffi Torres
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by GelatinousMutantCoconut on Aug 30, 2010 10:03 AM PDT reply actions
Not Ballard?
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by skeeter_dan on Aug 30, 2010 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions
Luongo
Hamhuis
Ballard
Edler
Ehrhoff
O’Brien (haha, that’s right. Piss off, Bieksa!)
Sedin 1
Sedin 2
Burrows
Kesler
Samuelsson
Raymond
Malhotra
Torres
Glass (I’m a sucker for Glass. Hansen, not as much)
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Luongo
Hamhuis
Ballard
Ehrhoff
Edler
Rome
Sedin
Sedin
Sammy
Burr
Kesler
Raymond
Malhotra
Torres
Oreskovich
Fuck Bieksa. I just want to be rid of him and if they want him they can have him. No need to protect Glass or Rypien cause they won’t get picked so it was between Hansen and Oreskovich and I will take the salary and the hitting of Oreskovich over the ‘will never be fulfilled" potential of Hansen. Plus let’s be honest he probably doesn’t get picked anyway.
Rome I am keeping purely because I like the cap hit and with Salo not getting picked and coming back later I would like to have Rome around as the 7th D man with whoever remains from Alberts and SOB filling the 6th role unless a guy like Sauve steps up and takes it.
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by Section 312 on Aug 30, 2010 10:43 AM PDT reply actions
interesting. Well thought out
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by Sean Zandberg on Aug 30, 2010 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions
I am nothing
if not cerebral.
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"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
by Section 312 on Aug 30, 2010 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions
I need to get to know Oreskovich a lot better that’s for sure
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by Sean Zandberg on Aug 30, 2010 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Hahaha I gotta say I love this one.
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by Karina on Aug 31, 2010 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions
So the debate could end up being:
>> 9th winger: Hansen, Glass, Oreskovich or someone else
>> 5th defenseman: Bieksa, Rome, SOB or someone else
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by Yankee Canuck on Aug 30, 2010 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions
Am I the only one with Rypien love for 9th winger?
by Beantown Canuck on Aug 30, 2010 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Everyone loves Rypien, but let’s face it, you don’t win championships by following your heart.
So don't get violent and don't get caught with your head down, the night she stole the moon.
by thelastjohnny on Aug 30, 2010 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Plus there's no way he is getting picked anyway
he can’t do much other than fight. And if he does get picked up he can be EASILY replaced. A guy like Oreskovich who looks like he can really fly around and hit but also looks like he has some upside to be a decent hockey player as well.
"We love them, We mourn for them, Unlucky boys of Red" - Morrissey
"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
by Section 312 on Aug 30, 2010 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, I dunno. Before all the fights he’s put up, I remember Rypien scoring 3 shorthanded goals in 4 games at the start of 2 seasons ago before he went down with an injury. I think given the right linemates, he can get the job done.
But I agree about the part where he’s not getting picked.
So what two players left exposed do you guys think will end up getting picked?
by Beantown Canuck on Aug 30, 2010 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Pretty much the same as Yankee's
Goalie
Luongo
Defense
Ballard
Hamhuis
Edler
Ehrhoff
Bieksa
Forwards
Sedin
Sedin
Burrows
Kesler
Sammuelson
Raymond
Malholtra
Torres
Hansen
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Aug 30, 2010 11:44 AM PDT reply actions
Question?
Do players with NTC have to be kept (protected) by the Canucks?
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Interesting question
I would imagine NTC would be OK to leave unprotected but I wonder about NMC.
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"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
by Section 312 on Aug 30, 2010 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah. NTC allows you to waive players, and NMC does not. Getting picked in an expansion draft is tantamount to being picked off waivers. So I would argue that teams should be required to forced to include all NMC contracts as protected. Where does that leave the Canucks? Does Salo have a NMC or a NTC? Otherwise I don’t think our largely agreed upon list would change.
by Beantown Canuck on Aug 30, 2010 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Again, same as Yankee
Goalie
Luongo
Defense
Ballard
Hamhuis
Edler
Ehrhoff
Bieksa
Forwards
Sedin
Sedin
Burrows
Kesler
Sammuelson
Raymond
Malholtra
Torres
Hansen
I like Oreskovich better then Hansen, but the point of this exercise is to practice asset management. I think Hansen is more valuable as an asset than Oreskovich. I also don’t expect the expansion teams to know much about Oreskovich, and would think that they would rather take O’Brien or Glass. If they take Oreskovich, I’ll be pissed.
You don't expect a GM and his staff
to know EVERYTHING about ALL of the players that are available for them to pick from to assemble their first roster????
I guess there is a chance they don’t want to do their jobs properly but I highly doubt it. I mean there entire job would pretty much be to know about the guys they are picking from but maybe they are shitty at their jobs.
"We love them, We mourn for them, Unlucky boys of Red" - Morrissey
"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
by Section 312 on Aug 30, 2010 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions
cough
Sather
cough
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Aug 30, 2010 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Luckily for these pretend expansion teams
Sather already has a job. I imagine the ownership groups would be smart enough to avoid hiring anyone named Sather or Sutter.
"We love them, We mourn for them, Unlucky boys of Red" - Morrissey
"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
by Section 312 on Aug 30, 2010 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions
If Dolan
is still around, anything can happen.
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C Henrik Sedin #33: Vancouver Canucks Alternate Captain, 2010 Art Ross Trophy Winner and 2010 Hart Memorial Trophy Winner
by Chuckles Canuckles on Aug 30, 2010 5:50 PM PDT up reply actions
I don’t have time to do this right now, but I did want to chime in with a suggestion. I don’t mean to pick on you, Yankee Canuck, as the problem is ubiquitous online, but please change “what” to “which” in your title to make it grammatically correct.
haha, good catch.
And while we’re at it, “to get” is a terrible verb and I hate it for all the trouble it gave me when I was learning french.
So don't get violent and don't get caught with your head down, the night she stole the moon.
by thelastjohnny on Aug 30, 2010 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions
No! Die grammar police die! So you have time to point out grammatical errors? You could have made 1/2 a protected player list by now!
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by Sean Zandberg on Aug 30, 2010 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions
there was a bit of sarcasm there FYI.
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by Sean Zandberg on Aug 30, 2010 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions
ha ha, this was better than the post!
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by My Landed Immigrant status just expired! on Aug 31, 2010 7:13 AM PDT up reply actions
One other thing
was the misspelling of “Winnipeg” deliberate irony or a typo?
by The Ancient Mariner on Aug 30, 2010 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions
the former ;)
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by Yankee Canuck on Aug 30, 2010 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions
I missed that part, did they accidentally spell it “Loserpeg?”
So don't get violent and don't get caught with your head down, the night she stole the moon.
by thelastjohnny on Aug 30, 2010 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions
No worries Joe, pick on me! I fixed it.
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by Yankee Canuck on Aug 30, 2010 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions
My first thought was to float Luongo out there, cuz I don’t think any expansion team would want to immediately saddle themselves with that contract
ah…another can of worms opened! ha. I would take him. Build from the net-out.
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by Sean Zandberg on Aug 30, 2010 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions
A very good goalie on a reasonable cap hit
they would have to take him as long as their owner was OK with it. He would be far and away the top goalie available for them to pick so it would be a no brainer.
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"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
by Section 312 on Aug 30, 2010 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Would we be able to do it? Are we allowed to choose NOT to protect any goalie?
And anyway, I think it’s an insane idea. Of course keep Lu.
by Beantown Canuck on Aug 30, 2010 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Exactly
"We love them, We mourn for them, Unlucky boys of Red" - Morrissey
"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
by Section 312 on Aug 30, 2010 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions
No you have to protect at least one goalie.
These are the rules the league used in the last expansion I believe….save for that last one: “Players who have not played 50 NHL games are automatically exempt.” That’s actually lower, 47 games.
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by Yankee Canuck on Aug 30, 2010 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Nobody has been successful at that strategy except New Jersey…teams now seem to fall into their goaltending rather than build from it.
I look at it this way…if they do take Lou, it frees the Nucks from a shackle of a contract, while at the same time giving Corey Schneider the spot he wants…
m’eh…just a thought.
I think the Canucks are in great shape with this set of rules. A few good d-men and goalies may be left unprotected off some other teams though. But there’s just going to be shit nothing available as far as forwards go I think. This expansion team is going to be something awful when it comes to forwards… probably barely better than the Maple Leafs in that respect.
You heard me Zan.
by Beantown Canuck on Aug 30, 2010 1:16 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
rec'd
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Aug 30, 2010 5:51 PM PDT up reply actions
you would :)
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by Sean Zandberg on Aug 30, 2010 6:49 PM PDT up reply actions
:P
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Aug 30, 2010 6:55 PM PDT up reply actions
There's no way I protect Hansen.
He’s the one guy on the roster that I just don’t see a clear role for. He’s a mediocre third liner, which I think is an easier hole to plug from within the organization than a hard hitting fourth liner. When you add their contracts to the discussion, I don’t see how you go with the Dane. I’d protect Oresko first, and I’d keep Rypien over Hansen, too.
You were 100%
correct until the part about Rypien. But very close. Well done.
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"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
by Section 312 on Aug 30, 2010 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Lucky for me, the Rypien part isn’t really relevant. I still think I’d rather keep him than Hansen, but I’m putting them both on the block anyway. Oreskovich is my ninth.
I also think a Juice vs. SOB discussion would be interesting. Either one would be scooped up if left unprotected, which means we couldn’t afford to trade the survivor away for the sake of that all-important blueline depth MG spent all summer stockpiling. That makes the $2M difference in cap hit a pretty compelling argument in favor of O’Brien. Without going to CapGeek, I’d expect things to be very tight if we cant afford to deal Bieks when Sami gets back.
by Canuckle Head on Aug 30, 2010 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Why wouldn't we be able to trade away the other?
Are you worried about depth?
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"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
by Section 312 on Aug 30, 2010 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Exactly. Are you content with our top seven without both SOB and Bieksa? We saw last year how quickly a thin blueline can end a playoff run.
by Canuckle Head on Aug 30, 2010 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Well I would be yeah
but I am of the opinion that the top 4 should play the majority of the ice time. So a bottom pair of SOB and Rome for example I would be OK with them getting 6-9 minutes a night against the Hawks 4th line for example. But I also think a couple of young guys in our system have the ability to step up and play on this team this year. But in this fantasy expansion draft scenario I would think we could always trade to add a D man later in the year if Bieksa and SOB are off the cap and Salo can’t come back.
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"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
by Section 312 on Aug 30, 2010 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Like you said, this is nothing more than an exercise to help pass the last few days before camp. Still, it has some usefulness in assessing our depth. The thought of being one injury away from a bottom pair of Alberts and Rome terrifies me. Add a second injury at playoff time, and I think all hope is lost. Injuries are a virtual inevitability in a long playoff run. Giving up SOB with a plan to trade Bieksa mid-season just doesn’t feel like a good risk/reward move. After all, Juice’s mid-season trade value is almost certainly not more than a second round pick.
by Canuckle Head on Aug 30, 2010 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Well we would have to consider
that some teams with serious defensive depth would rather trade a guy for forwards or prospects that they can protect, or just keep in the case of prospects, so a trade would not be out of the question for us in this fantasy world. Leave SOB, Salo and Bieksa unprotected and chances are SOB and Bieksa get picked up, although maybe not, but if we trade for a depth D man that we can protect as our number 5 guy we can leave Rome unprotected as well and still have a pretty deep D corp with only giving up a Shirokov and Rodin type package.
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"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
by Section 312 on Aug 30, 2010 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions
You lost me at the end there; who is the fifth guy you’d protect?
by Canuckle Head on Aug 30, 2010 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions
A guy picked up in a trade from
a team with too many NHL D men who might be looking to trade so they don’t lose there guys for nothing in the expansion draft.
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by Section 312 on Aug 30, 2010 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions
I just don’t see the upside to that at all. Now we’re giving up assets for a depth D- man instead of just protecting one in the first place. O’Brien has shown he can do the job, will continue to progress at 27 years old, and he’s got one year left at $1.6M. That’s exactly what I want at from a 5/6 guy. As I see it, the Canucks are exactly the kind of organization you’re describing as a potential trade partner: lots of veteran defensive depth.
by Canuckle Head on Aug 30, 2010 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Well you are the one worried about depth
I just suggested a way we maybe could improve the D and maintain some depth.
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"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
by Section 312 on Aug 30, 2010 5:09 PM PDT up reply actions
By letting both get picked up and giving up assets in a trade for somebody like them? Let Bieksa go and keep O’Brien. That should leave us in great shape. Of course, in reality, we get to keep both until Salo gets healthy.
by Canuckle Head on Aug 30, 2010 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Not like them
better than them. Better. We have 9/10 forwards we want to keep and 4/5 D men so we have some options to try to improve the team. That’s all I am saying.
And anyone who has seen Bieksa, a guy I defend all the time, play the last two seasons knows letting him go for nothing is still an improvement.
"We love them, We mourn for them, Unlucky boys of Red" - Morrissey
"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
by Section 312 on Aug 30, 2010 7:13 PM PDT up reply actions
After seeing the Oresko video, I’ve decided to switch halfway to team Section 312.
So my 9th pick for forwards would now be Oreskovich, but the 5th d-men I’d still keep Bieksa.
by Beantown Canuck on Aug 31, 2010 8:11 AM PDT reply actions
We're the only ones with brains
although I would go with Rome cause it’s even less of a cap hit. plus no is likely to pick SOB anyway.
"We love them, We mourn for them, Unlucky boys of Red" - Morrissey
"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
by Section 312 on Aug 31, 2010 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Really? So who do you think will be the two players picked from Vancouver, should we have two players picked? My guess is it would be SOB and Hansen if both available.
by Beantown Canuck on Sep 1, 2010 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions
My guess is they take a D man from us
and if another player goes it’s with one of the last picks and it’s probably Hansen. But I am not sold that anyone would want him.
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"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
by Section 312 on Sep 1, 2010 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions
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