Beantown lawyered them Toronto folk right and good!
by Beantown Canuck on Aug 23, 2010 7:44 AM PDT
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So if anyone followed the PPP plagiarism brouhaha over the weekend, I would just like to point out that I lawyered their asses, and though they kept throwing the shit at me, I was right the whole time, and PPP himself has now gone and admitted such...
(From a comment to this post):
To Beantown Canuck
You are right in that we should have asked permission to post our translation as it stands. I was completely unaware of that fact but SBN’s lawyer has informed the hockey bloggers (because we’re more likely to do translations) that there are some steps we should be taking.
However, the fact remains that the inspiration for the story AND the actual translation was stolen from this site without attribution. Now, you can characterize someone standing up in order to see the right thing done as ‘whiny’ and that’s your own opinion.
Trying to create a moral equivalency between ignorance of the proper procedure (sorry, not a trained reporter) and outright theft is disturbing from someone that is supposedly trained as a lawyer. Then again, all I need to do is look at your screen name to know that you are likely the same kind of person that defended Todd Bertuzzi’s physical assault on Steve Moore because “Moore hit Naslund high”.
So this FanPost serves the purposes of general gloating and high-horsed-ness. EPIC WIN!
Here was my response by the way, and since this entire post serves no purpose other than me gloating and getting to act dickish because I feel like it, I just want to point out that I'm rather pleased with my response, too:
For the record, I was never trying to say the acts are morally equivalent. I think what Fuller/Sun did was worse than what you guys did, as far as initial acts are concerned. My beef with you guys was about your reaction to the mess, in light of the fact that, though I believe you when you say you were unaware, you weren’t exactly playing by the rules either. If you’re going to point fingers at people, and your own house isn’t clean, well then I’m gonna call you words like ‘whiny’. Sorry!
And nice ad hominem to close. You stay classy, San Diego. You and Zona have fun dry-humping each other at the bottom of the league :)
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You must be very flexible.
Have you finished publicly fellating yourself yet, or would you like some more time? Perhaps a wet nap?
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by SkinnyFish on Aug 23, 2010 8:06 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I take back everything I said...
…over at PPP about the benefits of civil discourse.
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Do us all a favor and please reconsider visiting PPP the next time you get such an urge.
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LOL
Ah, homphobic insults as an ‘EPIC WIN’. Thanks for living up to our expectations for Canucks fans.
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Ha. First of all, you insulted me first. So get a spine. And second of all, I don’t think my remark was homophobic in the least. Just pointing out that both you and Zona, who blog about the two worst teams in the league, love to denigrate Canucks fans as if we’re some singular unit of knuckle-draggers, as opposed to all other fanbases. That’s what I was alluding to, in case you didn’t pick up on that.
by Beantown Canuck on Aug 23, 2010 8:25 AM PDT up reply actions
Sigh...
internet mudslinging competition.
I like the people over at PPP, as they provide me distractions while working, but PPP throwing out a baseless “You must have defended Bertuzzi because of your screen name” isn’t cool. Although I doubt they’ll be humping at the bottom of the league either.
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Based on his zeal to create moral equivalencies I doubt I am off base.
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You still don’t understand my point then if you seem to think I have a zeal to create moral equivalencies. What is it that you claim I am saying is equivalent to what?
by Beantown Canuck on Aug 23, 2010 8:26 AM PDT up reply actions
And if you’ll please notice, I acknowledge in the post that I’m being dickish. After the insults and derision thrown at me over the weekend, I want to play too.
by Beantown Canuck on Aug 23, 2010 8:36 AM PDT up reply actions
And I welcome everyone to read the comments especially those of Doogie2k which do suggest that things are much more open-ended than BC would make them seem but let’s not detract from his attempt to pump his own tires.
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If things are more open-ended, then why did your lawyer agree with me? Until a case is tried, everything is always open-ended. This issue is largely academic and completely trivial, but ask most serious students of the law of copyright and I’m confident they would overwhelming agree with me. It just seems unfathomable that anyone would claim that one news source is allowed to just print a translated version of an article from another new source without seeking permission.
by Beantown Canuck on Aug 23, 2010 8:31 AM PDT up reply actions
Until a case is tried, everything is always open-ended.
Yes. So wandering around pounding your chest and proclaiming yourself “right” is nothing short of idiotic.
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"But if someone so eager to engage into fist talk, we can always meet after season end in Minsk." (Mikhail Grabovski and a well-meaning but not particularly skillful translator)
by jrwendelman on Aug 23, 2010 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Props beantown
Sad that PPP’s idea of showing contrition and admitting that they made a mistake needs to include personal insults and continued defensiveness over an indefensible reaction.
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Um
Beantown, there are many Leaf fans who were saying the same thing as you (mf37 for one) but who had left.
The issue was quickly changed from a legal one to one that was an ethical issue.
I’m also not sure why you would need to brag about this.
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by Karina on Aug 23, 2010 9:47 AM PDT reply actions
Oh I don’t need to, and I outright admitted to being a dick for doing so. But PPP didn’t need to slander me either. Tit meet tat.
by Beantown Canuck on Aug 23, 2010 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions
Um… PPP made a comment to you.
You made a fanpost in response.
Tit for tat usually implies responding in kind… you upped the scale, a LOT.
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by Karina on Aug 23, 2010 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions
That’s fair enough. But in his comment to me, he insulted the entire canucks fan base, so I thought this was a wholly appropriate place to post. But I see your point. I don’t apologize, but I see your point.
by Beantown Canuck on Aug 23, 2010 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions
OHMYGODSOMEONEMADEABERTUZZIJOKE
Honestly?
If I went around complaining on PPP about every insult I see that is towards the entire Leafs fanbase, that is all I’d ever have time to do.
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by Karina on Aug 23, 2010 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions
If you had a problem with PPP himself, then e-mail him.
I tried to reason with you after my initial upset reaction (and face it, you were rather arrogant in your comments) and found common ground to reconcile.
I now question why I put the effort in if you disrespect people this way.
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by Karina on Aug 23, 2010 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions
Wait...
…so PPP can publish his drivel inside a comments section and it’s ok, but to make a post about it is somehow worthy of disrespect and should have been done in a private email? Wow, that makes sense. If you really want to get down to the nuts and bolts of it, PPP wrote a much more visible and commented on post insulting the other guy in the first place…should that not have been an email as well? Double standard much?
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"You'll be playing in England the rest of your career" Alex Burrows
"I'm not a water dwelling mammal, where did you get that preposterous hypothesis, did steve tell you that?" FotC
No.
It’s a personal issue, not a site wide or SBN issue.
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by Karina on Aug 23, 2010 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions
Oh I see
So when PPP makes personal attacks on this fuller guy from the sun, it’s ok cuz it’s not personal, it’s an SBN issue, but when Beantown addresses personal attacks on him from PPP it’s not an SBN issue its personal. I get it now. Here’s an idea, to quote tool: “…jump down. Get off your fucking cross.”
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"I'm not a water dwelling mammal, where did you get that preposterous hypothesis, did steve tell you that?" FotC
by Twitchy2010 on Aug 23, 2010 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions
Pardon??
Nowhere did I say I was OK with the attacks on Fuller.
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by Karina on Aug 23, 2010 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions
What he’s trying to say is that you’re a hypocrite because he finds what PPP said about Google Translate Dave Fuller was offensive and you guys had no problem with it, but when BC does the same it’s not to you it’s not.
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by Kevin Sellathamby on Aug 23, 2010 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions
Right so when people on PPP say that the twitter meme and name calling got out of hand, we’re condoning it?
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by Karina on Aug 23, 2010 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions
Yes.
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by Kevin Sellathamby on Aug 23, 2010 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions
just a sec, I have to write a fanpost over at , what flows better? ‘Touchy arrogant dick’ or ’internet cowboy with a superiority complex"?
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Aug 23, 2010 10:00 AM PDT reply actions
over at PPP that is
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Aug 23, 2010 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions
Touchy arrogant internet dick with a superiority complex cowboy?
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by Kevin Sellathamby on Aug 23, 2010 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I said it there and I’ll say it here — what you say may or may not be true, but it certainly misses the point.
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Aug 23, 2010 10:17 AM PDT reply actions
Beantown is this you?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrZvJ488SRU
Seriously though this is getting old. Let’s move on. I hate when people keep rehashing old shit on the internet. I mean come on. Jeez. It’s over. Walk away.
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by Section 312 on Aug 23, 2010 10:23 AM PDT reply actions
Beantown, I see your points, but I feel as though this fanpost is taking it a little too far.
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This is going off the deep end. Beantown made his argument about the plagiarism angle and PPP, as stated above and I’m sure elsewhere, accepted it. We can debate the ethics of attribution, or lack there of in this case, until we’re blue in the face and that’s fine, if not a necessary conversation. But reducing the entire ordeal down name calling isn’t going to work.
BC or PPP (or anyone else for that matter) – if you’re unhappy about mud slinging, email me (yankeecanuck1 at gmail) and we can deal with it offline.
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