Third Line Forwards?
The Vancouver Canucks have been lauded for their moves to bolster their defense by trading for Keith Ballard and signing Dan Hamhuis this summer. Some in the media have even gone so far as to declare the Canucks the favourite for the 2011 Stanley Cup.
It's true that the team is set in goal, on the blueline and in their top-six forward ranks. But there are some skeptics out there who wonder about the third and fourth lines. Is there enough depth here for a Cup run? Let's take a look.
So who else could play on Malhotra's line, with or without Hodgeson? The most likely players are Jannick Hansen and Tanner Glass. Hansen is a speedy forward who at times excels at forechecking and creating chances. Of the two he seems more suitable for third-line duty. Glass is a physical energy forward who could be adequate on a checking line, but seems more suited for a 4th line role.
Of course there also offensive prospects Jordan Schroeder and Sergei Shirokov. Both have had high expectations put on them. Shirokov is older and has more professional experience. But Schroeder no doubt has the higher upside. Although small, Schroeder has elite scoring abiliy and was a real steal in the 2009 draft. The problem with these two forwards is whether or not they are NHL ready and whether they possess enough defensive ability to play on an NHL third-line.
Players destined for the 4th line or reserve status who have an outside shot include Rick Rypien, Darcy Hordichuk, Victor Oreskovich, Joel Perrault,. Alexandre Bolduc and Gauillaume Desbiens. But I think that any Canucks fan would agree that ideally those fellows do not even come close to seeing top-9 ice-time.
That leaves two other area's: Free Agency and Trades. With the trade market virtually stagnant, I won't even begin to consider possible options. But with cheap veteran talent abundant in free agency, let's take a look at some forwards the Canucks could (and should) be interested in.
Frederick Modin: Has lost any vestige he once had of offensive ability, but is still defensively responsible and provides a veteran presence. Should come extremely cheap.
Owen Nolan: The ideal choice, but might be out of Vancouver's price range. Gritty, experienced, a born leader and still can score (though not at the same pace as at his best).
Scott Walker: Again, gritty and experienced, with a knack for scoring clutch goals.
Jay Pandolfo: A veteran checker, has lost a step over time but still has some gas left in the tank.
Jere Lehtinen: Once the best defensive forward in the NHL, age is catching up to him. Likely to retire.
Raffi Torres: Gritty with some offensive ability, lacks defensive polish.
Darcy Tucker: A shadow of his former self, probably not on many teams radar.
Bill Guerin: A veteran scorer could be a good presence should one or two of the younger prospects make the team.
Jeff Halpern: Once one of the top defensive forwards in the NHL, has virtually disappeared from the average fan's conscious. Could still be a cheap serviceable option.
Ruslan Fedotenko: Still has a reputation for big goals, but not all that useful.
Brendan Morrison. Former Canuck star would likely welcome a return, but does he fit into the new team structure?
Mike Comrie: Would provide Vancouver with a celebrity WAG.
So what does everyone think? What should General Manager Mike Gillis do with the Canucks bottom 6?
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Move Bieksa up!
So don't get violent and don't get caught with your head down, the night she stole the moon.
Lets not
3.75m doesn’t seem like too much for a 3rd liner on a cap strapped team?
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by Diehardnuck on Aug 23, 2010 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions
I think the trade route is out, so I’d go Hodgson and Hansen with Manny. At least to start the season, see if they click at all. The second they start acting like Wellwood/Bernier, blow it up.
Schroeder needs another year (is my guess, camp will be telling) and the Shirokov boat has sailed.
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Yes well Schroeder or Shark or Hodgson or Hansen or Malholtra is going to have to take a top 6 spot while Burr is out. So we need to be talking about two players able to audition for the roll until the return of Alexandre.
by Beantown Canuck on Aug 23, 2010 7:13 AM PDT up reply actions
Why do you think the trade route is out Yankee? We still need to move Bieksa, and I can only assume Gillis would try to address our need on the third line? I mean the latest Bieksa rumor would look to address that, although I’m not sold on Fleischmann as the ideal 3rd liner.
In any case, (Hodgson – Malhotra – Fleichmann) still looks pretty good.
Whether this trade goes down or not, I believe that any future trade of Bieksa could involve a 3rd line winger coming back. If not, I’m happy with (Hodgson – Malhotra – Hansen).
Bill Guerin would be nice, but someone mentioned he wants to stay out east.
As far as Bieksa goes, we don’t necessarily need to trade him yet. Also other GM’s know we have to shed salary so it weakens MG’s stance. All in I don’t see a usable asset coming back for Bieksa if, or when, he moves (picks or prospects).
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by Yankee Canuck on Aug 23, 2010 7:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Tambo
will probably be on the 4th line, in top of the guys that you mentioned. Hordi should be banned from Rogers Arena (formerly known as GM Place), never to return.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Aug 23, 2010 12:33 AM PDT reply actions
I’d trade Bieksa to Pittsburgh for Pascal Dupuis, adding another cup ring to the lineup. My third line would be Dupuis-Malhotra-Hansen
To me though it’s sounding more and more like the Canucks are going to give Hodgson every chance to crack the lineup this year, so I wouldn’t be suprised to see Hodgson-Malhotra-Hansen early in the season. Or, if Burrows is still recovering from surgery, you might even see him with the Sedins or more likely, with Kesler and Raymond.
Dupuis makes $1.4 million, not too bad.
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by Yankee Canuck on Aug 23, 2010 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions
Was he the one who shit-talked Ovy or am I getting my Penguins mixed up?
by Beantown Canuck on Aug 23, 2010 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions
No
That was Max Talbot.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Aug 23, 2010 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions
C'est
mon plaisir.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Aug 23, 2010 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Also love Talbot!
But he’ s a bit injury prone non?
Yeah he is a bit injury prone. Also, it would be very difficult trying to getting a winger off the pens. They don’t have any impact wingers other than Kunitz and Dupuis as is.
Hodgson, Manny, Hansen
While definitely the more skilled combo, and has my approval, I’m still worried that they’re not that overly big.
Yep, I’m hoping/betting that they will at least try this line out. If there is any chemistry at all it could be a damn fine 3rd line. Some people like to point to Hansen’s lack of finish but things may be different when he isn’t the only one on the line expected to score.
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by Diehardnuck on Aug 23, 2010 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions
This
And I think that given regular time with consistent (perhaps better) line mates he might produce more consistently. Last season there were glimpses of it. But with his ice time vacillating anywhere from 4-11 minutes it was hard to see what he offered to the team.
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I do like Tambellini to be our “taxi” guy – with the club, but only added on the front three lines as a spare – because of the skill set he brings, and with the injury habit that Hansen seems to be on (stop with the fights, Jannik!). But I can’t see him on the fourth: Glass, Rypien and Oreskovich (to start, at least) are who I’d go with there.
The size issue doesn’t bother me all that much, as Vancouver relies on Kesler’s line to do the heavy lifting defensively, though I have no fear of putting Malhotra out there against anyone at any time. I still picture Hodgson starting out on the wing until he gets some NHL experience (and Malhotra looks like a great guy to learn from!) then shifting to centre.
If Hodgson can’t cut it yet (and he might not), then Schroeder could get his shot (too small? Two words: Cliff Ronning). And who knows? Shirokov could well prove to have adapted to the North American game. Perrault is, I think, strictly a call-up.
If no-one signs him, how about picking up Wellwood again at a fourth-line price? Say, $700,000? Expectations made him a frustrating player in the top six, but at eight to ten minutes a game…?
I would be perfectly fine
with signing Wellwood at that price, but I think he’d go to Europe before he’d go that low.
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
the last thing we need on our fourth line is a guy who doesn’t hit. You don’t need offense from your 4th line so why put pretty much an offense only guy on that line. I want no part of Wellwood at any price.
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by Section 312 on Aug 24, 2010 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions
What he said ^
Just with a lot more exclamation points.
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by Yankee Canuck on Aug 24, 2010 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions
Aw, C'mon!
It’d be fun! He’s not terribly physical, no, but he’s got pretty good marks for faceoffs! Beats the hell out of Rypien, there (but don’t say I said so).
Actually, I’m more thinking that it’s someone like Tambellini – a Black Ace that can come in for an injured skater and not be too jarring. But, fair enough, we already have Tambo for cheap.
I honestly think Oreskovich has some upside and I wouldn’t be surprised to see him on the third line at times this season. That said, I’d like to see them start off with Hansen, Malhotra, and Hodgson as the third line, unless they can swing a trade or a free agent signing that is an upgrade on Hansen.
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If Okie can show some touch, great; but he’s got a ways to go for that. I’m looking to Hansen for 15 goals and 35-40 points this year on the third. Less if he’s demoted, of course, but I think he can fit there.
He has to impress AV, I feel like that’s half of Hansen’s battle in past seasons.
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by Yankee Canuck on Aug 24, 2010 9:15 PM PDT up reply actions
I wonder if there will actually be a third line, per se. I’m thinking the bottom six will be a constant game of musical chairs, depending on who’s going good at the time.
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Sweatts and ripper
on the fourth? They all look alike, it’d be wierd.
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I’d like to give Bolduc a full season at center on the fourth line and see how he does.
My fourth line:
Glass-Bolduc-Rypien
Bolduc seems like a good player so I wouldnt mind. However I think that’s a pretty small 4th line. I would include Oreskovich and maybe sit Rypien, depending on whether or not the other team dresses an enforcer.
Eklund?
Or is that a BC5?
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by Yankee Canuck on Aug 25, 2010 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions

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