The "Where Will Niemi End Up" Game
by Beantown Canuck on Aug 2, 2010 12:56 PM PDT
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PrintOk so we all know by now that the Hawks have cut Antti Niemi loose and signed Marty Turco. Which makes Niemi a UFA, with potentially a whole host of different places he could end up. So where will he end up?
Let's make our predictions everyone! And to increase the possibilities, I'll add two subcategories:
1. What team?
2. For MORE, the SAME (give or take $100,000), or LESS than the $2.75 cap hit that Chicago walked away from? You could even guess a dollar figure here if you like, but under the official rules you just need to pick one of the three categories.
3. How many years will the contract be for?
For the winner, there's no set prize yet, but I presume Sean will donate money to some charity thing or something or other in your name. Or maybe send you a DVD or something. You discuss it with him, but clearly he'll owe you something.
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Edmonton more and 4 years
I am going to say 4 year deal worth around 16.5 million.
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by Section 312 on Aug 2, 2010 1:01 PM PDT reply actions
Ok, so officially scored as
1. Edmonton
2. MORE
3. 4 years
by Beantown Canuck on Aug 2, 2010 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Hmmm
1. San Jose
2. 3 mill (more) per
3. 2 years.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Aug 2, 2010 1:50 PM PDT reply actions
can I join this game too?
1. Isles
2. Less
3. 1 year
But when it was suggested to him that Toews v. Kane seems likely to become a sidebar to every future international hockey tournament, he smiled and said: "I'd like us to win something together, too." -- 2/28/10, so our Captain has said, and so it was done.
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Of course, although apparently there will no longer be prizes because Chuckles ruined it for everyone.
by Beantown Canuck on Aug 2, 2010 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions
:( :(
sadface
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Aug 2, 2010 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions
and I’m Dutch….so I’m stubborn AND cheap :)
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by Sean Zandberg on Aug 2, 2010 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions
really? how come the Preds?
other than the obvious, they want the rest of the League to Fear the Finns. But, i don’t see Niemi agreeing to be a back up, and he’s certainly not better than Rinne.
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by puppetmasterp on Aug 2, 2010 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Philadelphia
More
10 years
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by Kevin Sellathamby on Aug 2, 2010 2:57 PM PDT reply actions
Homer
would do that.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Aug 2, 2010 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions
He did trade Gagne for a traffic cone and a 4th rounder, anything’s possible with him.
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by Kevin Sellathamby on Aug 2, 2010 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Can any of you who put "less"
please explain to me how the goalie who just won the cup is going to get less than 2.75 million on the open market? He can go anywhere and can pit teams against each other to drive up his price plus there are several teams who need goalies. I don’t get how anyone thinks he will get less.
"We love them, We mourn for them, Unlucky boys of Red" - Morrissey
"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
by Section 312 on Aug 2, 2010 3:12 PM PDT reply actions
Pretty easy to explain (yes I am a Hawk fan)
He has literally half a year under his belt playing behind one of the best Defenses in the league. The market for goaltenders this year isnt exactly playing to his favor. I don’t see anyone putting up 2.75 on a guy who has not had a complete NHL season. That being said
1.) Edmonton
2.) 2 mil
3.) 2 years
Back off man, I'm a scientist
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by BigCSouthside on Aug 2, 2010 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions
supply and demand?
over at SCH, most folks think $2.75 m is unrealistic on accounta goalies being out of favor and most teams being pretty well set already.
can’t say I agree, but….
June 30, 2010. We will rue this day.
I can't see it either
he was asking for 3-4 million in arbitration based on what I have read. If he doesn’t get it in the NHL he can get it in Russia. I can’t 26-7 with a 2.25 in the regular season and a cup. I can’t see him signing for less than 3. I mean someone signed Huet to a ridiculous deal without a cup so someone will sign Niemi to the number he wants. Or close to it.
"We love them, We mourn for them, Unlucky boys of Red" - Morrissey
"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
by Section 312 on Aug 2, 2010 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions
His sv % is merely average or slightly above average. Someone with 7 shutouts in 39 games, one would think would have an excellent sv … this suggests the D is heavily responsible for those other numbers he has. We were all complaining about how Lu had a shitty year last year, and compared to Lu’s past that’s true, but still, Lu’s sv was better than Antti’s.
by Beantown Canuck on Aug 2, 2010 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Sure, the 7 shutouts are impressive as a number, but most of them were 20+ save nights. Nothing extraordinary, though 2-3 of the games were real steals. Again, he had a great defensive lineup in front of him for the other nights.
You still have to be able to make saves
I mean if we had had a Niemi like goalie in the WCE days who knows what would have happened.
"We love them, We mourn for them, Unlucky boys of Red" - Morrissey
"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
by Section 312 on Aug 2, 2010 10:35 PM PDT up reply actions
i read on twitter this morning that his arbitration award has nothing to do with what he could get on the open market, and that he will probably have to settle for less.
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Is it October yet?
Well I am aware his arb award
has nothing to do with what he will get on the open market. But if an arbitrator thinks he is worth that much then some gms will as well.
"We love them, We mourn for them, Unlucky boys of Red" - Morrissey
"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
by Section 312 on Aug 2, 2010 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions
I guess more…in part because precedent has been set with the Halak deal, has it not? Beantown?
by Timezone_Hater on Aug 2, 2010 6:08 PM PDT up reply actions
I think this depends on how we view the goalie market
there aren’t a lot of teams looking for goalies, and even if there were more than a few, I don’t personally think teams will be pitted against each other to drive the prices up as you think they will. There are still a couple of options available, after all.
But when it was suggested to him that Toews v. Kane seems likely to become a sidebar to every future international hockey tournament, he smiled and said: "I'd like us to win something together, too." -- 2/28/10, so our Captain has said, and so it was done.
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by chiblackhawks on Aug 3, 2010 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions
There aren't a lot of teams looking for goalies?
Marty Turco turned down 4 separate teams so he could sign in Chicago. You think those 4 teams have just given up trying to improve their goaltending?
"We love them, We mourn for them, Unlucky boys of Red" - Morrissey
"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
by Section 312 on Aug 3, 2010 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions
True, but none offered 2.75 mill as far as I can tell. The best supposed offer I’ve heard is 3 years @ $2 mill per by Philly.
That being said, I think he’ll make the $2.75 somewhere.
by Beantown Canuck on Aug 3, 2010 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Just off the top of my head
Tampa, San Jose, Edmonton, and Washington could use a number 1.
"We love them, We mourn for them, Unlucky boys of Red" - Morrissey
"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
by Section 312 on Aug 3, 2010 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Fear the Finn disagrees about SJ. Edmonton yes… although they have to work out the Khaby issue. Tampa already has their tandem I think. Washington has Varlamov, and you’re right perhaps they could use an improvement as he’s still young, but I would argue they could use a d-man a lot more. I don’t really think Niemi is that much of an improvement over Varlamov. Both will get you about a .910 sv … but when you factor in the fact that Washington allowed 25 more shots on goal last season than Chicago…
by Beantown Canuck on Aug 3, 2010 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Tampa has shit loads of cap room
and if they don’t think Mike Smith can stay healthy then they might want to bring in a true number 1. Edmonton has cap room as well and can afford to sign another goalie.
"We love them, We mourn for them, Unlucky boys of Red" - Morrissey
"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
by Section 312 on Aug 3, 2010 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions
off the top of my head
Tampa – part of the reason Ellis signed there is because he was promised #1 starting duties. If you think Stevie Y will go back on his word, be my guest.
San Jose – I seriously don’t believe they’re still looking for a goalie. With FtF on this one. They knew straight up which goalie they wanted to go for, and they went ahead and signed him first day of free agency. Even if, as somebody has suggested, the Sharks decide to do a 1A-1B tandem with Niemi and Nittymaki together and put Greiss back in the minors, well. Greiss’ll never have the chance to develop. And I don’t know how much they’d willingly sign Niemi for either, if the whole purpose of letting Nabokov go was to save money in net.
Washington – is pretty set in goal as well, according to people in the Caps organization debunking the rumors that they were going after Niemi after the arbitration award was decided upon. Whether or not Varlamov can be a #1 goalie is up to debate, but to me there is no question in the Caps’ minds.
Edmonton – JDD and Dubnyk have one-way contracts. They can keep paying them NHL wages in the minors, I suppose, but that’s up to where the organization stands financially. It’s one of the few teams that I think will be looking for a goalie, but essentially, the teams that are in the market for one still may not necessarily have the money that Niemi and his agent are looking for.
But when it was suggested to him that Toews v. Kane seems likely to become a sidebar to every future international hockey tournament, he smiled and said: "I'd like us to win something together, too." -- 2/28/10, so our Captain has said, and so it was done.
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by chiblackhawks on Aug 5, 2010 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Opps…forgot the rest.
2. More
3. 2 years
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by Yankee Canuck on Aug 2, 2010 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions
I almost picked Europe too
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by Sean Zandberg on Aug 2, 2010 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Since you invited us over
- Sharks
- same
- 1 year (to see if he’s the real deal and not a one-hit wonder)
almost went with the caps though…..
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Edmonton
Slightly less
3 years
I only chose Edmonton because I hear Khabby has an Arizona issue to deal with.
Thanks for the invite Bean
Beer. Now there's a temporary solution.
Are the Hawks really that stuck with Huet? What would his buyout cost be?
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According to Cap Geek
Huey’s buyout would be $1.875m thru 2014. The teams seems willing to eat the last 2 years of his contract at $5.625m. StanBow says the situation should be resolved this month. We’ll see.
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You can’t blame them for biting the bullet, I would think.
There are other guys to be resigned soon, and giving yourself almost 2 mil less Cap would suck.
Better to make him the highest paid goalie in Rockford history.
My only question would be what happens when …say…Turco gets injured.
Toivinin I guess, you could not afford that big salary coming back up that easy.
Corey Crawford
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by Sean Zandberg on Aug 2, 2010 7:11 PM PDT up reply actions
I assumed he would be the back up already. Toiv’ would be the guy that leapfrogged Huet in Rockford…
Last year in pre season, it was 50-50 whether to go with Niemi or Crawford
Fan poll was the same
"What doesn't kill us makes us stronger."
The rumour right now is Huet
to Europe with the Hawks paying most of his salary but he wouldn’t count against their cap.
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"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
by Section 312 on Aug 2, 2010 10:36 PM PDT up reply actions
if not Edmonton
I’m thinking Islanders at the arb price. Because 1) DiPietro is made of glass and 2) aren’t they still trying to hit the salary floor or something?
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1) Montreal
2) Less
3) 2
"What doesn't kill us makes us stronger."
im gonna go out on a limb (since picking sj would win me a 100 way tie)
1) russia
2) more
3) six years. i have no idea what russian contracts are like. in soviet russia, contracts sign you!
this sucks emotionally for the hawks but i think well be just fI…LUONGO GIVES UP THE REBOUND KANE SHOOTS HE SCOREEEEEEEEEEES!
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Luongo? Gives up rebounds? I have no idea what you talk about (booze kills brains cells they tell me)
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by Yankee Canuck on Aug 2, 2010 9:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Yer all wrong, cuz I bat 1000 with predictions as u all know...
(note the sarcasm…)
1: Edmonton
2: Same
3: 1 year
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Good choice.
I don’t think anyone else has picked the Sens.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Aug 4, 2010 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions
As a Sens fan...I would love this.
But the chances are pretty slim :(
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by GelatinousMutantCoconut on Aug 4, 2010 9:35 PM PDT up reply actions
I am also a Sens fan.
I’d love to have Karlsson on the Canucks though.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Aug 5, 2010 12:18 AM PDT up reply actions
I'd love to have Ehrhoff
We could’ve had him too…in the Heatley deal.
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by GelatinousMutantCoconut on Aug 5, 2010 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions
I just don't think that Brian Murray would makes the moves to make it possible.
If the Sens sign Niemi, then one of LeClaire or Elliot has to go. With the goalie market bring the way it is, there’s little chance the anyone takes them. There’s a slight chance a team looking for a cheap reliable back-up makes an offer for Elliot, but it wouldn’t be full value and I doubt that Brian Murray would want to part with him anyway. Obviously LeClaire would be the one that Niemi would ideally replace. He could be bought-out…but I think the buy-out window is done. So unless they demote him and his 3.75 million to the minors (Which they appear unwilling to do…they could have kept Cheechoo down there and saved the cap space taken from his buy-out..but chose to save actual dollars instead.)
I’d like to think it’s possible….but I don’t feel like likely. But then again, who thought Gonchar would be a Sen?
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by GelatinousMutantCoconut on Aug 5, 2010 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m thinking LeClaire would be moving before Elliot if Niemi went to Ottawa. That Brodeur kid looks like he’s got some kind of potential, too… 8)
Don't forget Lehner
also.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Aug 6, 2010 8:40 PM PDT up reply actions
I wish.
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by GelatinousMutantCoconut on Aug 4, 2010 9:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Edmonton Oilers
More (Around the same as Halak got from the Blues)
For 3 years.
Khabibulin becomes a very expensive back-up, but his (and Niemi’s) contract expires at the same time as the wunderkids entry level deals do…
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by GelatinousMutantCoconut on Aug 4, 2010 9:33 PM PDT reply actions
Well, after reading everyone else's choices
I’m disappointed that so many others picked the Oilers…
But i’m glad that mine differs from all of them in at least one aspect.
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by GelatinousMutantCoconut on Aug 4, 2010 9:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Detroit
Tell Osgood to F-off once and for all.
1. Detroit
2. Less
3. 2 years
It makes way too much sense
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