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Poll: Canucks Fans' Faith In Luongo

Roberto-luongo_medium Not everybody is taking anxiety pills over the NHL powers that be "looking at" Roberto Luongo's 12 year contract. Many, including the Globe and Mail's Matt Sekeres look at the event as a potential window of opportunity for Vancouver to either flog a struggling goalie because he is, well, struggling, and also to let him go thus saving a lot of cap space because hell! you don't need a big money goalie to win the Stanley Cup as this year's playoffs "proved".

I find myself angered and dismayed. Why?

-because we finally get a world class goalie, after all these years, after all those shitty goalies we endured and already many are out to crucify Luongo, after 2 less-than stellar seasons where he looked shaky. 

-because the above, in my opinion, is a big reason why so many NHL players won't play here. Does Dan Hamhuis really know what he's got himself into? He's the highest paid Canucks defenceman and if he struggles, many fans will be asking for his head on a platter. You know it's true. The same has already applied to Luongo. Hey, I'm guilty of verbally badgering Lou too, but not to the point of giving up on him.

Sekeres' article says:

Canucks general manager Mike Gillis is not commenting on the decision at the NHL’s request, but you have to wonder whether he smiled wryly when Bloch tossed out Ilya Kovalchuk’s record-breaking deal with the New Jersey Devils.

Really? I don't think so. I think Canucks management has full faith that Luongo will return to form. After all, they did bring in a full time goalie coach in Roland Melanson for this season, they made him captain, signed him to a lifetime deal, he's a jackpot for marketing, etc etc. I think it's pretty clear what their intent is.

Would you really be comfortable with a Niemi-Schneider combo?

I have come to the conclusion that I am willing to give Luongo another chance. Yes I'm siding with management. The trends of what kind of teams that win Stanley Cups come and go like clothing fashion. This year it's cheap goalies. In the past it was younger teams with size (see Anaheim). It wasn't that long ago that teams with depth and a money goalie won it all either. I'm not hopping on that bandwagon, or any bandwagon. I want this Canucks team, from Luongo-out to play a solid team game, and THAT is what has been lacking the most. THAT is what wins championships.

But enough of what I think. I respect anyone's opinion most of the time. So without further to do, here is the poll (finally). Your comments are welcomed as well. I know we've almost kicked this dead horse to pieces, but this whole Kovalchuk aftermath has brought the topic back to center stage.

Poll
If the NHL voided Roberto Luongo's contract you would be:
Happy. Let's flog this declining goalie and spend our money elsewhere
31 votes
Happy. Let's restructure the deal so we are not committed to Luongo for so long
62 votes
Cautious and/or indifferent. I really don't know what the Canucks should do if that happened
47 votes
Pissed. I think Luongo is going to rebound this year. Re-sign him for as long as possible
148 votes

288 votes | Poll has closed

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mwahahaha, first vote :P
i think restructuring is needed.

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by missy on Aug 10, 2010 8:27 PM PDT reply actions  

Sean…I am with you.

I find that article a trifle insulting.

You might have noticed that a once good reporter like Matty has become a bit more…Glann Beck like in his articles.

Dude just needs something to talk to B mac about. He is a radio “star” now.

I voted under pissed. Luongo should have his best year this year.

by vancitydan on Aug 10, 2010 8:38 PM PDT reply actions  

Glenn Beck

knows all and sees all.

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by Chuckles Canuckles on Aug 10, 2010 11:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Except Glenn Beck cries a hell of a lot more.

by marcness52 on Aug 11, 2010 1:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

And everyone is a Nazi…or a socialist…or a GASP…liberal.

by vancitydan on Aug 11, 2010 1:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

This

is even better.

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by Chuckles Canuckles on Aug 11, 2010 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

One of my fave episodes ever…he did a couple like that.

Glenn Beck is evil…

by vancitydan on Aug 11, 2010 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't know if he's evil

but he is definitely absolutely fucking crazy.

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by Chuckles Canuckles on Aug 11, 2010 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

If Gillis’ plan is to compete for a Cup in the next five years (which, with the roster set in place right now, seems to be a pretty resounding yes), then Luongo is one of the goaltenders out there that is worth the money. That being said, a restructured deal would allow the Nucks more cap flexibility towards the latter stages of that contract.

It probably comes down to cap hit. If the Nucks could, in one fell swoop, reduce his cap hit and term than it would be phenomenal. If a reduced length means a higher cap hit, then I would just stick with what is already in place.

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by Mr. Plank on Aug 10, 2010 8:39 PM PDT reply actions  

They can’t reduce both his cap hit and his term. Not possible, or at least not something Lou would allow. If we reduce the term, the only way to reduce the cap hit as well is to reduce more years at the end of the contract to cheap, $1 million years, or to reduce the salary in the peak years, neither of which I think Luongo would approve of. If the NHL forces the Canucks to restructure the deal, the term would be reduced and the cap hit increased, or the salary redistributed to add more salary to the final years of the deal.

But it won’t happen. Way too complicated, absurd and laughable to restructure a contract a year after it was signed because the NHL simply had “second thoughts”. No, it’s just a scare tactic.

by Canuckk on Aug 10, 2010 8:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

It probably comes down to cap hit. If the Nucks could, in one fell swoop, reduce his cap hit and term than it would be phenomenal.

exactly what i’m hoping for. if they’re forced to redo the contract, i’m hoping Luie has second thoughts and considers a discount.

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by missy on Aug 10, 2010 8:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

ooo, that’s asking a lot

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by Sean Zandberg on Aug 10, 2010 9:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, not gonna happen.

by Canuckk on Aug 10, 2010 9:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

PD alluded to the idea of the Canucks walking away from Lou’s contract and signing Niemi instead. Which is such a stupid idea it’s almost laughable. WHY would we walk away from a franchise goalie signed to a fantastic long-term deal that will only hurt us in 10 years, after we may very well have won a Cup? And let him walk only to sign Antti fuckin’ Niemi? Downright ridiculous.

Luongo will rebound this year. The signs were all there last year that 2009-10 would be a down year for Lou, and that’s exactly what wound up happening: a DOWN year. NOT a decline. This year the signs are all there that he’ll rebound, and why, you ask? Because there are no Olympics to deal with, we have a vastly superior defense, there’s less pressure from fans and media (from lowered expectations) and Lou has consequences for not performing well (in that Schneider gets more starts). Trust me, he’s in for a monster, Vezina-worthy year. Just you wait.

by Canuckk on Aug 10, 2010 8:41 PM PDT reply actions  

I’ll take a goalie who in a “bad season” gets 40 wins any day.

by marcness52 on Aug 11, 2010 1:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

A little off-topic, but I’m getting a little tired of this anti-Luongo talk. It’s not like Luongo has been poor. He’s got 40-win seasons that say he’s a good goalie. How much of the playoff misery is choking and how much is Luongo playing overtired from too many games during the regular season? So much about professional athletes has to do with peaking at the right time. I know Luongo likes the heavier load, but I’m hoping that Schneider picks up 20+ starts this season and AV and MG manage Luongo’s playing time a bit better. You can’t possibly peak during the playoffs with that heavy load. Out of the four teams that made it to the conference finals, only Nabokov was among the top twenty goalies in minutes played during the regular season (Halak, Leighton, Niemi had other netminders to carry or help carry the load).

by Lumberlung on Aug 10, 2010 8:47 PM PDT reply actions  

EXACTLY

An interesting stat I discovered as a result of your post: the only goalie to win a Cup in the last 10 years that played more then 65 games in the regular season is Martin Brodeur (2000 and 2003). Not even Patrick Roy or Dominik Hasek played that many RS games in their Cup-winning years. So when Luongo starts games at a 70+ game pace every single season here with the Canucks, it makes sense that he can struggle somewhat in the playoffs at times. Hell, two goalies known for choking in the playoffs (Nabokov and Kiprusoff) are also two goalies that started 65-75 games every season for their respective teams. The evidence is actually overwhelming that goalies that get overworked tend to struggle in the playoffs or at least come short of winning a Cup.

I think the key is to play the goalie a lot down the stretch, but give him plenty of rest early on in the season. That way, when the playoffs come around, he isn’t fatigued but isn’t off his game from lack of play time either (see: Niemi, Leighton, Osgood (in 08 & 09), Giguere (07), etc etc). And I think and hope that that’s the game plan with Luongo this season too. Give Schneider a fair share of starts in the first half of the season, but down the stretch it should be all Luongo. A side benefit of this trade is that the Canucks can showcase Schneider to the NHL to drive up his market value so they can deal him at the deadline.

Like I said above, I think Lou’s in for a monster season. The signs are all there.

by Canuckk on Aug 10, 2010 9:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Pleaseberightpleaseberightpleaseberight

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by Smoboy41 on Aug 10, 2010 9:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

This plan

sounds perfect. Perhaps…too perfect. Are you Gillis?

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by Chuckles Canuckles on Aug 10, 2010 11:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

So let’s assume that 75 games is optimal (that includes regular season and playoffs). That means you’re looking at not more than 50 regular season games for Lu. It would be huge if Schneider could take the remaining load—and a couple of road trips—without us suffering a hit in the standings.

Yes, there’s the whole driving up Schneider’s value thing, but I don’t think the Canucks are ready to think of him as bargaining chip yet. If you can get him 30 games a season, he’s still your future. If he lives up to anywhere near his potential this year, is there a better tandem in the league? Lu’s not getting paid tandem money, I know, but I would think the whole organization is looking beyond the regular season already and gauging success only on a very deep playoff run. That involves a not having a burned-out-best-goalie-in-the-league after 82 games.

by Lumberlung on Aug 11, 2010 4:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

I would like to see Lu play about 55 games this regular season. That would be the mark to hit in my mind.

by Beantown Canuck on Aug 11, 2010 7:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

Exactly. I too, get pretty miffed about it. Fans can be so silly sometimes, equating hype and a number to a certain level. That is further amped by a desire for the Cup that borders on psychotic.

That is why I am miffed at the writer of this asinine article. Xekeres makes some pretty biased and quite frankly unlikely scenarios to support that very stupid assertion that the Canucks and their fans are somehow desperate to get rid of Luongo.

It borders on the old East?West baiting the G$M was supposedly trying to get past.

But maybe it is just poor little Matty pulling an Ed Willes style article to get attention in the dog days of summer.

Dude should remember though, if my ability to read people on visual and audible hints is worth anything, that this is not the first time he has been arrogant and insulting to the team and players, management and the like to get that impression. Ev ery yin has a yang.

I hope he enjoys getting frozen out, because that is the time honored way sports teams usually deal with douchey reporters…

by vancitydan on Aug 10, 2010 9:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Vancouver sports writers are generally douches looking for splashy headlines and lots of reads, regardless of whether they approve or not (and anybody with half a brain won’t). A couple of them (Botchford namely) are pretty good, but most (Willies, Sekeres, McIntyre, etc) are complete douches. The thing is, their opinions switch back-and-forth faster then Brett Favre comes in and out of retirement. One minute they’re grabbing headlines saying the Canucks should trade Luongo, the next they’re arguing Vancouver should be renamed Luongoville after he gets a shutout the next game. They write whatever will get them the most possible reads.

This is why I don’t read Vancouver newspapers for sports news.

by Canuckk on Aug 10, 2010 9:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Whatever happened to Neil Macrae, speaking of douches?

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by Smoboy41 on Aug 10, 2010 9:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Smo’, I actually like Neil.

he is honest and consistent. You have to respect that.

Botch is pretty good, though he is not immune to the passive aggressive thing the others have going. He just hides it better. His reactions to Salo bordered on ridiculous when the latest injury came out. But mostly he is OK.

Sekeres was OK when he was just the local G&M guy. He has been a douche in both writing and radio since he hooked up with those TEAM guys ( and sometimes before, the guy was only OK before ) I guess Pratt is a bad influence…and he will be wearing leather pants and getting drunk at the Keg soon.

Yeah, the Vancouver media for the Canucks sucks the big one. I think the only ones I can stand in little doses any more are Kuzma and maybe Papp. And Botch…but Brad Zeimer also deserves his own wing in the Vancouver media Douche Hall of Fame.

by vancitydan on Aug 10, 2010 9:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think he’s hilarious. I like listening to him and Bro Jake talk to each other. Always a good listen.

by marcness52 on Aug 11, 2010 1:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

I will not vote in this poll since it’s already been guaranteed by the esteemed Beantown Canuck that Lu’s contract is no way in hell being voided. That being said, I will say that I’m very happy he’s our goalie and I anticipate I will continue to be for quite a few years.

by Beantown Canuck on Aug 10, 2010 10:36 PM PDT reply actions  

After enduring so many years

of shitty Clouts goaltending, I vowed that when the Canucks got a good goalie, I would never support going back to just okay goaltending.

NEVER EVER EVER!

And that is why I own a Lu jersey and I want him to stay.

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by Chuckles Canuckles on Aug 10, 2010 11:28 PM PDT reply actions  

Exactly

Do people still wish we had Dan Fucking Cloutier?? So Lu had a bad season last year, there’s no denying that. But the guy still got 40 fucking wins, in a bad season.

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by Semi_Colon on Aug 11, 2010 7:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

I will never go back

to Clouts. NEVER.

Lu still got a 40 win season in a shitty season. I’ll take that over anything.

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by Chuckles Canuckles on Aug 11, 2010 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, they're ted for the goaltending record for most Stanley Cups as a Canuck*

*Shared with:
Alex Auld
Murray Bannerman
Martin Brochu
Richard Brodeur
Gary Bromley
Bruce Bullock
Sean Burke
Frank Caprice
Jacques Caron
Dan Cloutier
Ed Dyck
Ken Ellacott
Bob Essensa
Mike Fountain
Troy Gamble
George Gardner
John Garrett
Glen Hanlon
Johan Hedberg
Rick Heinz
Corey Hirsch
Charlie Hodge
Arturs Irbe
Jason LaBarbera
Ken Lockett
Roberto Luongo
Drew MacIntyre
Cesare Maniago
Bob Mason
Steve McKichan
Kirk McLean
Dave McClelland
Rob McVicar
Alfie Michaud
Tyler Moss
Mika Noronen
Maxime Ouellet
Félix Potvin
Andrew Raycroft
Curt Ridley
Dany Sabourin
Curtis Sanford
Cory Schneider
Corey Schwab
Petr Skudra
Gary Smith
Garth Snow
Kevin Weekes
Steve Weeks
Kay Whitmore
Dunc Wilson
Wendell Young

by Beantown Canuck on Aug 11, 2010 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh wait, remove Lu and Clouts from that list for it to make sense. Fail.

by Beantown Canuck on Aug 11, 2010 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bloody Mary! That list makes me sick! Useless tits!

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by Sean Zandberg on Aug 11, 2010 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

You dare besmirch the good name of my friend and co-worker, George Gardner? I should smite thee…

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by Smoboy41 on Aug 11, 2010 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

RIP.

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by Sean Zandberg on Aug 11, 2010 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yep. George was one of a kind.

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by Smoboy41 on Aug 11, 2010 7:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

First Canucks goalie right?

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by Sean Zandberg on Aug 11, 2010 7:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, he split time that first season with Dunc Wilson and Charlie Hodge. Didn’t play much in year 2 so he split for the WHA. He always used to tell us a story about how Bobby Hull fired a puck past him from centre ice because George was busy looking at the out of town scoreboard. BS or truth, I don’t know, but it was a funny story anyway.

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by Smoboy41 on Aug 11, 2010 7:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

lol I remember

Potvin, Skudra, and Essensa.

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by Chuckles Canuckles on Aug 11, 2010 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

And for all that big-name goalies are out of fashion at the moment

there’s still no other player on the ice who can do as much to win a game for you as the guy in the net. It just makes sense to start there and build out — a concept people seem to understand in other sports. For a contrast, would any sports reporter have ever argued that because the Patriots won a Super Bowl with a rookie sixth-round pick starting at quarterback, therefore you don’t need a really good quarterback to win big?

by The Ancient Mariner on Aug 11, 2010 9:17 AM PDT reply actions  

Would you really be comfortable with a Niemi-Schneider combo?

That says it all right there. All the wannabe knowitall fans who don’t actually know shit and only want a reason to bitch are quick to jump on the ‘trade luongo’ bandwagon. One of the nice things about being here is most posters here have at least a clue, if often differing opinions. Luongo is BY FAR the best goalie out there today. He had two shaky seasons? Only shaky on the luongo meter…those two seasons wouldn’t even be called shaky on the Kiprusoff meter, and much as I hate him for being a flame, he’s no slouch between the pipes. So many Vancouver Canucks fans are just an embarrassment…they hear Pratt or Cox or Willes diss any one canuck’s skill level and instantly jump on the hater wagon, without actually taking time to look at facts. There is no goalie in the league today that I can think of that I’d want over Luongo to take us to a cup. Now if only Vancouver media and weak minded fans would lay off, he would have that one less distraction.

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by Twitchy2010 on Aug 11, 2010 9:27 AM PDT reply actions  

The problem is the media. They over-hype a player to god status (Lu) and then when his play drops from ‘excellent’ to merely ‘pretty good’ (which I believe is an accurate depiction of Luongo’s performance two years ago compared to more recently), they overhype his dropoff to ‘crap’. That being said, I hope he returns to ‘excellent’ form. But he’s still a better #1 goalie than any of the alternatives. Maybe Schneider will outshine him (although I doubt it in the near-term), in which case that’s fine because he’s already our asset. But I see no options out their outside of the Canuck organization that would be better. Lu is the man!

So to the media I say “you guys are a bunch of poopfarts”.

by Beantown Canuck on Aug 11, 2010 9:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

The media is going to tear anyone a new asshole. Anyone. Just last summer some were telling the Sedins to go piss up a flagpole. If you roll back before that they didn’t want to lose Bertuzzi for Luongo in the first place. It’s the same old knee jerk reaction. Drive-by fans do the same, every team has ‘em (same cretins probably who yell ’shooooooot’ behind you at a game).

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by Yankee Canuck on Aug 11, 2010 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yes but overall they really should shoot more. :)

by Beantown Canuck on Aug 11, 2010 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

(looks away from the ice, peers over his shoulder and sighs…)

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by Yankee Canuck on Aug 11, 2010 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

I agree with Beantown. I’m one of those cretins that yell shooooooot.

by marcness52 on Aug 11, 2010 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

(looks away from the ice, peers over his left shoulder and sighs…)

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by Yankee Canuck on Aug 11, 2010 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Don't get me started

may as well yell “SKATE!!!” too.

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by Section 312 on Aug 11, 2010 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t yell shoot… I’m just saying they in general should shoot more. I do sometimes say after the fact “man, so and so should have shot rather than [whatever he did]”

by Beantown Canuck on Aug 11, 2010 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's always easier to comment

while watching than for a player do see a lane in real time. It looks easier than it is as I am sure we are all aware.

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by Section 312 on Aug 11, 2010 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh of course. But if he should have shot, he should have shot, whether he realized it at the time or not.

by Beantown Canuck on Aug 11, 2010 5:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

yep, me too

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by Sean Zandberg on Aug 11, 2010 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

This explains so much

ever wonder why PP units are usually better on the road? Cause fans don’t have any effing clue when a guy should shoot. You are probably that guy who yells shoot, then the guy shoots and it gets blocked, and then you get mad that he shot into the guys shin pad. Aren’t you? You know you are.

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by Section 312 on Aug 11, 2010 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

No no..only when the team over-passes or a shooting lane is wide open

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by Sean Zandberg on Aug 11, 2010 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Only ten teams had better power plays on the road last season. The Canucks were 6% better at home, so maybe they needed a little help from “The Seventh Canuck”. Either way, I realize it’s a lot easier to see an open shooting lane in a replay than at ice level with the play moving at mach 2. That being said the Nucks had a pretty great power play last year coming in at 6th in the league, and i have a little more patience with the Sedins and their cycling plays as I know they’re weaving their opposition into a stupor before they strike with a wicked one timer or dangle from below the face off circle.

There are times though when I see them passing and passing and passing and then before you know it two minutes are over and they haven’t gotten a shot and I would have been happier if I’d at least seen a couple blocked shots or whatever. And for the record I’ve never been mad about a blocked shot, I’m just happy to see the shots and the mayhem they incur. You can’t score if you don’t shoot, and they’re not going to block them all, and if they do, they’re going to get pretty damn sore, eventually you’ll grind a team down if you shoot, blocked or not.

by Sandwich76 on Aug 11, 2010 6:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Alright, Botchford has my back I see.

And this is great stuff by him:

Of the five Stanley Cup championship teams since the lockout, three of them were backstopped by high profile netminders. There was Cam Ward (now a $6.3 million cap hit) in Carolina, Marc-Andre Fleury (now $5 million cap hit) in Pittsburgh and JS Giguere (now in Toronto, his cap hit is $6 million) in Anaheim.
It’s true, all of them made significantly less when they won than what they will earn this year. But when the Hurricanes won the Stanley Cup, Eric Staal’s salary was $942,000. When Anaheim won, Ryan Getzlaf was making $714,400. When Pittsburgh won. Evgein Malkin’s salary was $984,200. Last year, Jonathan Toews salary was $850,000.
Interesting that you don’t hear anyone suggesting teams can’t win in the NHL with big-money centres.

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by Sean Zandberg on Aug 11, 2010 4:13 PM PDT reply actions  

And another of those 5 winners was Osgood, who I would argue with 129 playoff appearances, 3 Stanley Cup rings and career playoff stats of 2.09 GAA and .916 sv% is pretty damn high profile. Dude never got no respect. Certainly deserves to be in the conversation of great goalies more than Fleury in my mind.

Basically, Chicago is the only exception to the rule. And it remains to be seen if Niemi doesn’t become “high profile”. A dude named Roy once won as a rookie…

by Beantown Canuck on Aug 11, 2010 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

I really have my doubts Niemi becomes high profile.

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by Sean Zandberg on Aug 11, 2010 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah I agree… but we don’t know yet. Anyway, the point is that no one has won with someone who proved to be a career filler goalie. Osgood, Giggy, Fleury (so far) and Ward cannot be described as anything but career #1 goalies. None of them are just interchangeable cogs. And Niemi is a rookie. So this goalies-don’t-matter b.s. is just b.s. Goalies, individually, matter more than any other position, individually. But if you’re loaded on D, then you can absorb having less strength behind the pipes. That’s the only lesson from Chicago… not this “goalies aren’t so valuable any more” baloney.

by Beantown Canuck on Aug 11, 2010 5:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

When Niemi is seeing it though… it’s like they’re shooting beachballs, they just can’t squeak by.

by Sandwich76 on Aug 11, 2010 6:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

kudos to Niemi for being excellent when he had to be, but yeah, Chicago, Carolina, Tampa, Detroit all had excellent team D

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by Sean Zandberg on Aug 11, 2010 7:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

absolutely, you don’t win hockey games without a full team effort especially in the playoffs. You don’t have to look farther than the Canucks and the way the Hawks were allowed to storm Luongo repeatedly to see an example of that.

by Sandwich76 on Aug 11, 2010 8:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

yep, the Canucks were atrocious, but Luongo wasn’t near good enough either

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"Here goes nothin'" - Han Solo

by Sean Zandberg on Aug 11, 2010 9:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Osgood?

Somebody put you up to that, did’nt they? Somebody whose name starts with Y and rhymes with pagoda.

A creep from the cradle, but a hero's what I want to be

by Smoboy41 on Aug 11, 2010 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

PAGODA

"But yeah…like CC…I harbour no ill will." - VancityDan

C Henrik Sedin #33: Vancouver Canucks Alternate Captain, 2010 Art Ross Trophy Winner and 2010 Hart Memorial Trophy Winner

by Chuckles Canuckles on Aug 11, 2010 5:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

That was a very enjoyable movie.

A creep from the cradle, but a hero's what I want to be

by Smoboy41 on Aug 11, 2010 7:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes

it was.

"But yeah…like CC…I harbour no ill will." - VancityDan

C Henrik Sedin #33: Vancouver Canucks Alternate Captain, 2010 Art Ross Trophy Winner and 2010 Hart Memorial Trophy Winner

by Chuckles Canuckles on Aug 11, 2010 7:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ever see Bottle Rocket?

A creep from the cradle, but a hero's what I want to be

by Smoboy41 on Aug 11, 2010 7:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

No

But I recently saw Rushmore and I thought it was alright. The Life Aquatic and The Royal Tenenbaums are pure gold though.

"But yeah…like CC…I harbour no ill will." - VancityDan

C Henrik Sedin #33: Vancouver Canucks Alternate Captain, 2010 Art Ross Trophy Winner and 2010 Hart Memorial Trophy Winner

by Chuckles Canuckles on Aug 11, 2010 7:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

I saw Scorsese on one of those movie review shows once, and he rated Bottle Rocket as one of his 10 best picks of all time.

A creep from the cradle, but a hero's what I want to be

by Smoboy41 on Aug 13, 2010 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

It also

appears to me that Lu has the lowest cap hit of those three goalies listed. Less than Kipper also.

"But yeah…like CC…I harbour no ill will." - VancityDan

C Henrik Sedin #33: Vancouver Canucks Alternate Captain, 2010 Art Ross Trophy Winner and 2010 Hart Memorial Trophy Winner

by Chuckles Canuckles on Aug 11, 2010 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's not about

what kind of regular season the guy had/has, it’s about the fact that he’s folded under 2nd round pressure two postseason’s in a row.

You never know what you don't know until you know it.

by yoata on Aug 11, 2010 6:54 PM PDT reply actions  

the bear has awoken!

Huge pressure on Lou this year. I hope he’s training saying his prayers and eating his vitamins

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"Here goes nothin'" - Han Solo

by Sean Zandberg on Aug 11, 2010 7:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

And hoping his D doesn’t’ abandon him again.

A creep from the cradle, but a hero's what I want to be

by Smoboy41 on Aug 13, 2010 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

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