Canucks' Summer Summit Recap
by Sean Zandberg on Jul 7, 2010 4:51 PM PDT
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This was formerly known as the "State of the Franchise" event. At 7:00 PST tonight season ticket holders will be asking Mike Gillis and Co any questions they feel like at Roger's Arena. You can watch it LIVE here. (By the way, that link currently gives you a live feed of the Prospects Camp.) If you miss it, I will do my damned best to recap what is said / announcements. Rumored:
-announcement of when Markus Naslund's tribute might take place
-a new 3rd jersey? A new game jersey? Or....just a new jersey patch for the upcoming 40th anniversary season?
-formal announcements of the new Canucks signings?
-an introduction to the new Canucks captain? Don't bank on it.
**OK, here we go!***
-John Shorthouse co-hosting with Jim Robson
-The Panel: Victor deBonis, Mike Gillis, Stan Smyl, and a vacant seat....
-a review of the 2009-10 season (video). Touching.
-Shorty: "Seasons like this don't come around every year." In reference to club wins records...Hank's achievements, etc
-MG: Felt bad for a week after losing...haha. Went on the radio and explained to everybody they felt. Did a state of the union and explained to everybody how bad they felt. And now they are live in GM Place and they are telling everybody how bad they feel.
-MG: A lot of great individual accomplishments from players. But felt that defence was an area the Canucks had to improve. Needed more depth.
-MG: Canucks had 4 distinct plans heading into July 1. Option A was great. Happy about getting Keith Ballard. Satisfied. Said Ballard plays the game fast and is a very physical player. Hammer is a BC guy and the Canucks wanted more kids from the west on the team. In the same mold as Ballard. Hammer is better looking than the Watson brothers...haha
Malhotra is a wonderful guy. In NYC years back, MG saw some Rangers players at a place, Malhotra gave a homeless woman some $$ and that impressed Gillis.
-deBonis talks Italians in the World Cup of soccer. Blah blah..keep reading for more on the event..
-deBonis talks about Rogers and GM and blah, blah blah shift in focus blah blah, Rogers understands sports and hockey and want to make the fan experience better blah blah
-Smyl in regards to prospects: all about development now in the cap world.
-Ring of Honour. Markus Naslund's #19 will be retired. 40 stories of Canucks lore from over 40 years to be revealed this anniversary season.
-Orland Kurtenbach, the first ever Canucks captain occupies the vacant 4th chair. 50th wedding anniversary for him. Congrats Bach! He will be the first Canuck honored in the Ring of Honour year-long tribute.
-Gillis calls Naslund's jersey retirement a "no-brainer". Pavel Bure's number? Gillis hesitates. No decision made. Canucks will continue to evaluate candidates for jersey retirement
-This guy came up with the original stick in rink logo:
-Gillis remains tight-lipped about the Canucks captaincy. Roberto Luongo is still the team captain. They will meet later in the summer with Luongo to take into consideration on whether or not the expectations are too high for him to be captain...DAMN
-deBonis: if there is a chance for Canucks to show games without the PPV bullshit then they will make it happen. In other words: don't f*cking bank on it.
-Smyl: players from American Collegiate say that they would love to play in hockey-mad BC, those are the players they look for.
-Plan B: Dan Hamhuis and Manny Malhotra are introduced!
-Sez Dan: lots of options on July 1 but very thrilled to be a Canuck.
-A draw takes place..winners get autographed jersey
Malhotra and Hamhuis draw winning tickets.
-Policy of trading for Russian-born players: MG: no policy. There is a big risk of losing players to KHL, but it's dependent on personality. Canucks are going to stick with Western kids than Russians
-Possiblity of Willie returning? MG: All concerned about his health. Will be patient with him, and when he says he is ready the Canucks will discuss his future with the organization.
-Why do Canucks have a lame intro to games? MG: "I'd rather have a hockey team!" AHAHAHA
-Will Canucks sign Raymond? MG: "YES"
-Did MG consider making a play for Byfuglien? MG: He's a player on another team so I can't discuss it. He's in Atlanta so we'll never see him again" haha
-Hodgson to make Canucks? MG: "If he doesn't make the team he'll be playing in Manitoba"
-Mike finished wheeling and dealing? Bieksa? MG: "We'll deal with cap issues. Nothing is intended to happen this summer." Cop out!
-MG: Guys that are playing well will get the most ice time. Confident that Burrows is ahead of schedule.
-Looking to add big and tough BC player to team for 3rd line? MG: "Like Byfuglien?" haha. If a player becomes available rest assured the Canucks will look at that player.
-A fan asks about smoking, because we are persecuted. No solid answer from deBona.
-Another guy asks Hamhuis who gets to wear #2: him or Ballard? Dan refers to the arm wrestling match.
-Wellwood? MG: Exploring free agent market. Hopeful he'll find a place. He was a really good player for the Canucks" = he's gone
-Will Robson do another play by play game? Robson: "No. Retired is retired"
-Comfortable with Schneider? "MG: will try to get one more goaltender". For the Moose, that is.
That's it.
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C'mon Lui
give the C to Kez or better yet, the Ryper.
Going to church makes you a Christian just as much as standing in a garage makes you a car.
Nah, it’s Hodgson’s.
So don't get violent and don't get caught with your head down, the night she stole the moon.
by thelastjohnny on Jul 7, 2010 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions
blink
Someone’s has had a bit too many of the special brownies this summer.
by rsm on Jul 7, 2010 9:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Bring back Jose Charbonneau!
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by Yankee Canuck on Jul 7, 2010 6:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Jose Charbonneau..now there is a name I have not heard in a millenium
by Sean Zandberg on Jul 7, 2010 7:00 PM PDT up reply actions
And just because...here's Kes taking Lui's C away
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Holy fuck
"But yeah…like CC…I harbour no ill will." - VancityDan
"One time I was invited to come to a social gathering. I was paid a handsome amount of money, and I brought a shotgun and a bottle of Tanqueray and showed those people the best f***ing time they’ve ever seen." - Kenny Powers of Eastbound and Down
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jul 7, 2010 9:39 PM PDT up reply actions
heh
I knew it when the guy retired. It was only a matter of time. That’s how mgmt does it.
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by Yankee Canuck on Jul 7, 2010 7:48 PM PDT up reply actions
PPV
It sounds like potentially Rogers will show every game perhaps even next season Victor hinted at…nice!
Discounted tickets? You must be mad, sir, mad!
A creep from the cradle, but a hero's what I want to be
discounted tickets???
when? where?
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Have patience, my darlings. It's only the beginning of July, Mike Gillis has all summer.....
for season ticket holders..oh boo hoo to the rich
by Sean Zandberg on Jul 7, 2010 8:37 PM PDT up reply actions
oh, fuck that shit.
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Have patience, my darlings. It's only the beginning of July, Mike Gillis has all summer.....
awww
yeah
"But yeah…like CC…I harbour no ill will." - VancityDan
"One time I was invited to come to a social gathering. I was paid a handsome amount of money, and I brought a shotgun and a bottle of Tanqueray and showed those people the best f***ing time they’ve ever seen." - Kenny Powers of Eastbound and Down
C Henrik Sedin #33: Vancouver Canucks Alternate Captain, 2010 Art Ross Trophy Winner and 2010 Hart Memorial Trophy Winner
by Chuckles Canuckles on Jul 7, 2010 9:39 PM PDT up reply actions
All in all it was a decent way to kill an afternoon. The food was good for free and the Q&A session was pretty funny.
Fan: “Why do we have such a lame intro? The Flames have like, fire and stuff. Are we really going to let Edmonton and Calgary win? We should have a whale.”
Gillis: “I’d rather have a hockey team.”
http://www.flickr.com/photos/martinhathaway/ - Here B Photos
lol that is awesome.
"But yeah…like CC…I harbour no ill will." - VancityDan
"One time I was invited to come to a social gathering. I was paid a handsome amount of money, and I brought a shotgun and a bottle of Tanqueray and showed those people the best f***ing time they’ve ever seen." - Kenny Powers of Eastbound and Down
C Henrik Sedin #33: Vancouver Canucks Alternate Captain, 2010 Art Ross Trophy Winner and 2010 Hart Memorial Trophy Winner
by Chuckles Canuckles on Jul 7, 2010 9:48 PM PDT up reply actions
I kinda want to put that in my sig.
"But yeah…like CC…I harbour no ill will." - VancityDan
"One time I was invited to come to a social gathering. I was paid a handsome amount of money, and I brought a shotgun and a bottle of Tanqueray and showed those people the best f***ing time they’ve ever seen." - Kenny Powers of Eastbound and Down
C Henrik Sedin #33: Vancouver Canucks Alternate Captain, 2010 Art Ross Trophy Winner and 2010 Hart Memorial Trophy Winner
by Chuckles Canuckles on Jul 7, 2010 9:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Sheez
Malhiotra is a really nice guy and charitable… so lets give him way too much $ and a NTC?
Everybody knows
That the world is full of stupid people
Well I got the pistols so I'll keep the Pesos
Yeah that seems fair
Can you read a stat sheet?
Can you read underlying stats?
Do you understand what competition means in an economic environment?
Sorry for being facetious, but damn that statement is about as dumb as it comes.
SJ were underpaying him for his value. He’s an excellent player who generally gets the puck moving in the right direction on the ice against decent competition. I don’t think he’ll outplay his contract, because it’s probably at about his upper bound of value, but it’s not a bad contract unless his performance drops off the edge of a cliff. At the price, and considering what his market value was it’s good deal made on the UFA market. Additionally I’m pretty sure the NTC, which is quite valuable to someone moving closer to family, is one thing that keeps it from becoming a bad contract vs. the cap. MG used it exactly the way you should, to keep the cap hit down, and lure someone closer to home for less money by offering stability and job security.
This is not Boogy for 1.6, this is not Leighton at 1.5, this is not an over 35 contract. It’s not way too much. It’s a good deal.
You don't know what you have just done.
Brace for impact, my friend.
"But yeah…like CC…I harbour no ill will." - VancityDan
"One time I was invited to come to a social gathering. I was paid a handsome amount of money, and I brought a shotgun and a bottle of Tanqueray and showed those people the best f***ing time they’ve ever seen." - Kenny Powers of Eastbound and Down
C Henrik Sedin #33: Vancouver Canucks Alternate Captain, 2010 Art Ross Trophy Winner and 2010 Hart Memorial Trophy Winner
by Chuckles Canuckles on Jul 7, 2010 10:02 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Aww… too bad. It’s still 2pm here, so I have tons of time and I’m used to handling 2 year olds throwing temper tantrums, I’m sure I can handle a little tantrum on the internet too.
/snark
Seriously, people can whinge and bitch as much as they want, but claiming X does not make X true. If you think I’m wrong just show me the evidence, and if you show me yours maybe I’ll show you mine, but hey, I’ll just link to some other opinions because I’m lazy.
This thread at BtN. Not much of commentary, but the key point is “If you don’t overpay for a UFA, then you’ve already won.”
It’s not an overpay, therefore it’s a decent deal. I believe, given that MG thinks it’s a good deal that the onus on the other side to prove that’ it’s an overpay.
Take a look
at what 30pt players get paid and what 3rd liners are making and then you’ll see it’s an overpay.
Everybody knows
That the world is full of stupid people
Well I got the pistols so I'll keep the Pesos
Yeah that seems fair
By how much $1 million? You even said that signing Gonchar for 5.5 wasn’t that big of a jump from the 4.5 for Hamhuis.
Uh yeah
because Gonchar is easily that much better a player, how is that even relevant?
Everybody knows
That the world is full of stupid people
Well I got the pistols so I'll keep the Pesos
Yeah that seems fair
Even though Gonch is better, I don’t think he was worth 5.5 at 36 yrs old. But then again pretty much every D-man signed so far has been overpaid
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
Gonchar
is an elite dman, he has all the credentials to back that up, maybe he won’t still be in a couple of years, but just look at his playoff stats.
Everybody knows
That the world is full of stupid people
Well I got the pistols so I'll keep the Pesos
Yeah that seems fair
You know what I just realized?
It’s more fun to watch this than be part of it.
"We love them, We mourn for them, Unlucky boys of Red" - Morrissey
"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
by Section 312 on Jul 8, 2010 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed
"But yeah…like CC…I harbour no ill will." - VancityDan
"One time I was invited to come to a social gathering. I was paid a handsome amount of money, and I brought a shotgun and a bottle of Tanqueray and showed those people the best f***ing time they’ve ever seen." - Kenny Powers of Eastbound and Down
C Henrik Sedin #33: Vancouver Canucks Alternate Captain, 2010 Art Ross Trophy Winner and 2010 Hart Memorial Trophy Winner
by Chuckles Canuckles on Jul 8, 2010 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions
you think we signed manny malhotra to score points?
by Passive Voice on Jul 8, 2010 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions
What does that
have to do with what he’s worth?
Everybody knows
That the world is full of stupid people
Well I got the pistols so I'll keep the Pesos
Yeah that seems fair
Because a player’s worth is more than just points? Paging Captain Obvious?
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Not what I asked
skippy.
What I asked was what does what the signed him for have to do with it.
As in, they could have signed him to play net or hand out towels, doesn’t change what he is or what he’s worth.
Everybody knows
That the world is full of stupid people
Well I got the pistols so I'll keep the Pesos
Yeah that seems fair
I agree that it's a lot to pay Malholtra
but were there any better 3rd line centres for cheaper available?
If so, who?
Hodgson
Everybody knows
That the world is full of stupid people
Well I got the pistols so I'll keep the Pesos
Yeah that seems fair
only cheaper by 800,000 and he is completely unproven at the NHL level. You can’t expect him to make the jump this year.
Yes
I can, and that’s including all his bonuses which are unlikely to be met.
Everybody knows
That the world is full of stupid people
Well I got the pistols so I'll keep the Pesos
Yeah that seems fair
But
will he be stuck on the 4th line now?
Everybody knows
That the world is full of stupid people
Well I got the pistols so I'll keep the Pesos
Yeah that seems fair
No.
He’ll play the third with Malhotra and take some of the draws while Malhotra takes others (defencive zone) and plays wing.
That’s what I see, any way. But then, I’m not coach.
I am definitely not under the impression that Hodgson is a lock
by Sean Zandberg on Jul 8, 2010 9:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Same here
I mean, it would be great if he did make it, but Im definitely not counting on him making the team.
"But yeah…like CC…I harbour no ill will." - VancityDan
"One time I was invited to come to a social gathering. I was paid a handsome amount of money, and I brought a shotgun and a bottle of Tanqueray and showed those people the best f***ing time they’ve ever seen." - Kenny Powers of Eastbound and Down
C Henrik Sedin #33: Vancouver Canucks Alternate Captain, 2010 Art Ross Trophy Winner and 2010 Hart Memorial Trophy Winner
by Chuckles Canuckles on Jul 8, 2010 9:51 PM PDT up reply actions
I can give some examples to prove that Malhotra was overpaid:
-Cullen signs in Minny for $3.5 million. Cullen is a helluva lot better than Malhotra
-John Madden is still available and made $2.8 last season
-Eric Belanger: 41 points and $1.8 million last season.
After browsing the list I can’t see a lot of decent 3rd line centers out there
by Sean Zandberg on Jul 8, 2010 9:55 PM PDT up reply actions
I wanted Belanger
from the start. I even put him in my roster when you had us all make rosters.
"But yeah…like CC…I harbour no ill will." - VancityDan
"One time I was invited to come to a social gathering. I was paid a handsome amount of money, and I brought a shotgun and a bottle of Tanqueray and showed those people the best f***ing time they’ve ever seen." - Kenny Powers of Eastbound and Down
C Henrik Sedin #33: Vancouver Canucks Alternate Captain, 2010 Art Ross Trophy Winner and 2010 Hart Memorial Trophy Winner
by Chuckles Canuckles on Jul 8, 2010 10:07 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL
I just find it amusing Cullen = 3.5M , Colby Armstrong = 3M, and Derek Freaking Boogard is worth 1.7M.
by Vancouverguy on Jul 8, 2010 10:13 PM PDT up reply actions
I was pimping for Cullen from Day 1, but it looks like we didn’t get him – possibly for the reason you suggested, that he didn’t want to play out West.
If Madden gets a three year deal, someone’s getting fired. Malhotra has more to offer (I think) than Madden does: at this point, he’s a shut-down guy only, with any offence being a bonus. He’s going to get a series of one year deals, and it could be that Gillis wanted a bit more stability. Just conjecture, of course; especially with the dearth of centres, as you say. Who knows what he’s going to end up costing?
Belanger would have been a good pick-up: nice face-off percentage, fairly durable, good points for his ice time, good age, plays both special teams. Let’s see what he signs for this year before mentioning him as an example, though. Malhotra only got $700K last year, after all…
I’m all about getting someone with Cup experience, so I would pick Madden over Malhotra for that reason.
by Sean Zandberg on Jul 9, 2010 11:07 PM PDT up reply actions
If anyone comes up from the AHL, it’ll be Hodgson; that’s where my money’s going. If he doesn’t make it, no one will.
i don’t know about that, Thursday. Schroeder could give Hodgson a run for his money for coming up to Van first…..
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Have patience, my darlings. It's only the beginning of July, Mike Gillis has all summer.....
It's spelled s-k-e-e-t-e-r not s-k-i-p-p-y
The role that the Canucks signed him for has everything to with what he’s worth. As in, his role is to take key faceoffs, kill penalties, be a physical presence, and provide tertiary scoring. He’s one of the best in the NHL at that role. Because of the market for that type of player, Gillis had to fork out a contract that, at first blush, seems like an overpayment. There are reports that at least one other team offered $2.2M and it’s unknown what the other 6(!) teams that were in the mix were offering.
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The other team was the Sharks skeeter…they offered the same term too I think.
Its all relative….but I do love how canuck fans can parse this guy’s career to the Nth degree and estimate his value relative to that…
Before a single puck is dropped or skate sharpened.
THAT’S how good we are!!
;-)
Canucks fans are omniscient: we’ve already seen whether Malhotra has a good season or not.
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I KNOW!!
Except even the most sage of our seers cannot say how and or when we will claim the Holy Grail…
For some reason it keeps getting fuzzy…images of some feathered jersey and than…nothing.
I keep getting flashes of champagne corks popping though…think it means anything?
It means...
…the Blackhawks are hitting the Roxy.
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by skeeter_dan on Jul 8, 2010 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
rec'd
hahahahahahahahahahaha
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Have patience, my darlings. It's only the beginning of July, Mike Gillis has all summer.....
Based on what
dan? That you want to believe it?
He’s 30 years old dan, it’s well known what he brings, and it ain’t $2.5M worth of anything.
Everybody knows
That the world is full of stupid people
Well I got the pistols so I'll keep the Pesos
Yeah that seems fair
So
like I said, last year “one of the best in the NHL” at something went for $700K (basically took what he could get) but now all of a sudden that same guy who did nothing out of the ordinary last year, is worth 3+ X that???
Sorry, it makes no sense, and the rest of what you said there is pure conjecture, for all you know Malhotra’s agent put that out there, and Gillis swallowed it hook line and sinker.
Everybody knows
That the world is full of stupid people
Well I got the pistols so I'll keep the Pesos
Yeah that seems fair
i love the notion that Mike Gillis is out there saying “what’s your best offer, Manny? WELL WE’LL DOUBLE IT” like he’s the fucking Cash4Gold guy.
by Passive Voice on Jul 8, 2010 8:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Again
you are assuming that his agent would tell the truth.
Regardless, it is not the job of a GM to pay whatever it takes to outbid the biggest idiot in the league, it is up to the GM to determine what good value is for any given player.
I mean if New York said “What, Gillis will give you 2.5? OK we’ll give you 3” and then Philly said “ok we’ll give you 4 Manny”, would that be cool too? Would you all still be saying “well that’s what it took to get him so it must be a good deal” ???
This is reminding me of Souptin all over again.
Everybody knows
That the world is full of stupid people
Well I got the pistols so I'll keep the Pesos
Yeah that seems fair
don’t disagree with you on any of that, but that’s not the point i was trying to make.
my point is that, in a world where the cap is around 59 million, i don’t think paying a UFA manny malhotra 2.5 is a bad deal at all.
by Passive Voice on Jul 8, 2010 10:51 PM PDT up reply actions
dude, you know you’re poking at a dragon, right?
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Have patience, my darlings. It's only the beginning of July, Mike Gillis has all summer.....
Not a dragon so much as a jackass…
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"You'll be playing in England the rest of your career" Alex Burrows
"I'm not a water dwelling mammal, where did you get that preposterous hypothesis, did steve tell you that?" FotC
actually, i just realized the expression is actually a bee’s nest…..
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Have patience, my darlings. It's only the beginning of July, Mike Gillis has all summer.....
Insults
all because I happen to hold a different opinion of Malhotra’s value.
Typical.
Everybody knows
That the world is full of stupid people
Well I got the pistols so I'll keep the Pesos
Yeah that seems fair
Has nothing to do with malhotra’s value, it has to do with I think you’re an insufferable jackass. On any subject. Even if I agree with you on it.
The artist formerly known as GAHHHHH!
"You'll be playing in England the rest of your career" Alex Burrows
"I'm not a water dwelling mammal, where did you get that preposterous hypothesis, did steve tell you that?" FotC
Well
that’s as good an excuse as any to be a prick I guess, I suppose you go around hurling insults at anyone you don’t like?
And btw the feeling is mutual Twittty.
Everybody knows
That the world is full of stupid people
Well I got the pistols so I'll keep the Pesos
Yeah that seems fair
Twitty? That the best you can do? Wow i’ve been wasting my time…i got into a battle of wits with an unarmed jackass.
The artist formerly known as GAHHHHH!
"You'll be playing in England the rest of your career" Alex Burrows
"I'm not a water dwelling mammal, where did you get that preposterous hypothesis, did steve tell you that?" FotC
although Malholrtra is a perfect fit
to ease Hodgeson into his 3rd line centre role, I think he was overpaid
Meh, I play Dungeons & Dragons, it’s no big deal. At least he’s not a Tarrasque.
chuckles, pushes up non-existent glasses
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Should I be embarrassed that I got that? And by jackass, i meant flying jackass with bad breath, which is really what dragons were, they just got exaggerated over time.
The artist formerly known as GAHHHHH!
"You'll be playing in England the rest of your career" Alex Burrows
"I'm not a water dwelling mammal, where did you get that preposterous hypothesis, did steve tell you that?" FotC
Incredibly embarrassed.
Flying jackass with bad breath and scaly skin.
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To be honest I haven’t played for so many years…we’re talking gretzky era…same time I last played competitive hockey actually hehe…but all my geeky webcomics (well, Penny Arcade anyways) have me interested again.
The artist formerly known as GAHHHHH!
"You'll be playing in England the rest of your career" Alex Burrows
"I'm not a water dwelling mammal, where did you get that preposterous hypothesis, did steve tell you that?" FotC
It’s been almost a year since I last played. All the people in my group moved away. I’m definitely enjoying the occasional DnD posts on Penny Arcade.
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No actual glasses?
C’mon man, the glasses are everything!
"But yeah…like CC…I harbour no ill will." - VancityDan
"One time I was invited to come to a social gathering. I was paid a handsome amount of money, and I brought a shotgun and a bottle of Tanqueray and showed those people the best f***ing time they’ve ever seen." - Kenny Powers of Eastbound and Down
C Henrik Sedin #33: Vancouver Canucks Alternate Captain, 2010 Art Ross Trophy Winner and 2010 Hart Memorial Trophy Winner
by Chuckles Canuckles on Jul 8, 2010 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions
The difference is
that a two year old will eventually realize they’re not always right and/or cry themselves to sleep…
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"You'll be playing in England the rest of your career" Alex Burrows
"I'm not a water dwelling mammal, where did you get that preposterous hypothesis, did steve tell you that?" FotC
I’m going to bed. I don’t have the time or the energy for the following cataclysm.
A creep from the cradle, but a hero's what I want to be
LOL
so now you’re trying to convince me that the NTC actually brought the price down</e
Talk about dumb.
Underpaying him? Buddy, he was making 700K! Gillisgan just tripled it and then some!
Yeah 30 point 3rd liners get $2.5M everyday… you’re right, what a bargain, I mean for that money he could be a 4th liner… what was I thinking…
Good deal??? Man am I glad you’re not running the team, you make Mike Milbury look like Ken Holland…
Everybody knows
That the world is full of stupid people
Well I got the pistols so I'll keep the Pesos
Yeah that seems fair
well….he was not signed by any team last season until very late…right?
by Sean Zandberg on Jul 8, 2010 12:20 AM PDT up reply actions
Yes, which means he probably took a heavier discount on his price, than he would have normally and makes his current deal look more lopsided.
But WHY???
did he have to take such a discount as you claim if he’s such a valuable player???
Or are we to believe that he’s suddenly 3X the player he was last summer???
Everybody knows
That the world is full of stupid people
Well I got the pistols so I'll keep the Pesos
Yeah that seems fair
Because everyone who’s an RFA take about a 40% discount, and everyone who signs after the first week ends up taking a discount that generally increases with the length of time past the FA date, this has nothing to do with value, it’s a piece of data.
by rsm on Jul 8, 2010 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions
What a load.
If he was so valuable he wouldn’t have had to wait until the last minute and then take practically league min. and you know it.
Everybody knows
That the world is full of stupid people
Well I got the pistols so I'll keep the Pesos
Yeah that seems fair
i can’t explain what happened last year. 29 gms fucked up, including mike gillis. Malhotra was one of the single best deals in the entire NHL last year. now he’s being paid much closer to his actual value. probably not a crazy steal by the canucks, but your complaint should be that Gillis wasn’t in on Malhotra this time a year ago.
by Passive Voice on Jul 8, 2010 8:03 PM PDT up reply actions
You can say
he’s a $700K guy a lot easier than you can say he’s a $2.5M guy.
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The
The differential in pay is irrelevant, and has nothing to do with whether or not this is a good signing at good money.
The salaries are independent data points:
1. He was underpaid for his contribution in SJ. It was a steal.
2. He’s paid for the upper edge of his skill level in Van at about the price of what UFA wins have cost this round. It’s not a steal, just a good contract.
by rsm on Jul 8, 2010 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Again
what made it a steal?
Seems to me it was market value for his services less than 1 year ago…
And the difference is absolutely relevant, it indicates that he’s somehow a far far better player than 1 year ago which is laughable.
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Do you even read posts before replying to them?
He specifically said “It’s not a steal” and you just blatantly ignored it.
And no one is suggesting he’s a better player than he was one year ago; we’re saying that the rest of the GMs in the NHL dropped the ball one year ago and missed out on having one of the best checking-line centers in the league at a bargain basement price.
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And at what point are you able to prove it?
It’s nice to hear you make proclamations, but I’d like to see some evidence, or even a coherent argument.
by rsm on Jul 8, 2010 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions
And the fact
that you think that you have “proven” anything shows just how coherent you are.
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Oh, right. Previous underpayment = current overpayment. Concepts to look up: Market value, value, pricing, supply and demand, etc.
Also, what is the appropriate salary for someone who has the 10th best +/- per 60 in the league when he’s used in his role? Admittedly he had amazing goaltending behind him when on the ice, so it’s bound to be lower this year, but it still remains that when used properly he’s an excellent player. If you give him sheltered minutes with the rookies, or put him in charge of a 2nd tier defensive line he will do a very good job.
If we look at a pure pro/con thing:
Pluses:
+ He’s a 3rd liner who can handle defensive assignments and doesn’t get outplayed.
+ His contract runs out just when our rookies are going to need new contracts, he’s still in a good age range so the odds are his skills aren’t about to take a nosedive.
+ He generally moves the puck in the right direction (Starts in the DZone ~54.6% of the time and ends up in the OZone ~50% of the time – this is not bad, even if the numbers looks small (NZone draws and finishes have been removed from the calc)).
+ He outscores.
+ He’s an excellent at face-offs
Negatives:
- Unlikely to outperform his contract – he’s being paid at more or less the market price of his upper end skill level.
- NTC.
Neither here nor there:
It’s not an overpay for a UFA, this is a good thing
Feel free to add to the lists. Evidence, rather than" ohnoes we gots robbed, MG is a ducne" would be nice. He’s a 30pt 3rd liner who outscores his opposition, moves the puck in the right direction, can face tougher minutes and takes face offs. Wait, that’s horrible, right?
RSM
I 99% agree with you, save:
Admittedly he had amazing goaltending behind him when on the ice, so it’s bound to be lower this year,
Lu is better than Nabokov. Nabokov had a good year, Lu had a bad one, but Lu is better true talent.
But 100% right about Malhotra, he’s going to be an excellent upgrade over wellwood, demitra or bernier. Which is how you have to look at it.
5v5 he had a .950 sp% behind him. Second or third on the team. That isn’t sustainable. His on ice Shooting% may be, as Vancouver has had a fairly consistently high shooting% over the last couple of years, but overall his PDO says there will be some regression to the mean on both counts. That doesn’t change the fact that it wasn’t a UFA overpay, which is already a good sign.
by rsm on Jul 8, 2010 2:58 AM PDT up reply actions
I love when guys
use the word “fact” in regard to their own opinons…
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Just a quick note: it’s a limited NTC. I believe it’s limited in that Manny can provide a list of teams he’d like to go to.
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Evidence
= he’s a 3rd liner and is no where near the player that others being paid what he is are.
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A number of GMs or professional hockey teams disagree with you.
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Yes, but yoata is smarter than all of them. When are you gonna learn this? He tells us constantly!
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i don’t need to. i’m fairly confident that malhotra’s a very good bottom-six centre. if you hope to change my mind, you’ll need to do the legwork.
by Passive Voice on Jul 8, 2010 8:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Legwork
Centres making $2.5M =
Saku Koivu
David Backes
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Backes is not an ideal comparison, because this was a contract he signed in 2008. I guarantee you he’s getting close to 5M this year.
Plus, I’m not entirely sure how Backes fits as a bottom 6 forward, he’s certainly a top-line guy.
More exaggeration
$5M? So you’re saying he’s as good as Kesler?
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the backes deal was an RFA deal signed at age 24, with about 120 games of NHL xp under his belt. if he gets 2.5 mil as a UFA next summer and it’s not with the Canucks, i will grab the pitchfork from you and run Gillis through myself.
as for Koivu, i think it’s a good comp. koivu did very well last year, although not a tonne better than Malhotra. Manny’s also four years younger as of signing his deal—the risk of a crazy age-related dropoff is lower. finally, and this is completely speculation on my part, but didn’t Koivu take something of a deal to play with Selanne?
overall, i’m not sure how Koivu’s deal proves Manny’s is a bad one.
by Passive Voice on Jul 8, 2010 11:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Uh
because Koivu is a 2nd liner and a 50 pt player AS WELL AS being on the 2nd unit PK and PP…
You see the difference now?
And Koivu’s deal is only 2 years, so much less risk and liability.
Koivu could drop off and still be a good 3rd liner, Malhotra doesn’t have far to fall without ending up in the minors…
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it's all about points with you, isn't it?
Koivu is a…50 pt player AS WELL AS being on the…PP
You see the difference now?
by Passive Voice on Jul 9, 2010 5:12 PM PDT up reply actions
What part of
“2nd liner, AS WELL AS…”
did you miss?
He kills as many penalties as MM and brings a hell of a lot more besides, no way they are comparable players… except of course their paycheques…
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i guess i missed the part where pigeonholing players as x-liners based on the quality around them was a worthwhile practice.
by Passive Voice on Jul 9, 2010 8:35 PM PDT up reply actions
lol
come on, on what team ever would Malhotra be anything but a 3rd liner at best?
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Toronto? :-)
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by Section 312 on Jul 10, 2010 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
You want
a really good comparable?
Rob Niedermayer, 3x SC finalist, won a Cup, just signed 1 year $1.15M.
Cue everyone telling me how Malhotra is twice the player…
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not sure why i'm bothering, but
playing similar roles last year, one of these players did well, and the other one got absolutely fucking murdered. one was loved by the fanbase he played for; one was hated. one is 30, the other is 35. one won 63% of his FOs, one won 51%.
by Passive Voice on Jul 8, 2010 8:00 PM PDT up reply actions
well said
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jul 8, 2010 8:28 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Wow
so aside from the f/o % you have a bunch of anecdotal opinion about why Malhotra is supposedly worth more than twice what Niedermayer is, despite them having similar stats last year and the fact Niedermayer has played for 3 different SC finalists…
I’m fairly confident that Malhotra is vastly overpaid, if you hope to change my mind you’ll have to do the leg work.
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That might be
a valid argument if we were comparing vastly different players, but we’re not we’re comparing two very very similar players, therefore experience in the playoffs (which we and Malhotra lack) is very significant to a depth/role player addition.
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And just
how did Niedermayer get “murdered”?
He is a defensive specialist, like Malhotra, seems to me he was good enough to be on NJ’s 1st PK unit all season, Malhotra was on SJ’s 2nd unit btw…
He also got more ice time than Malhotra…
I for one would take Niedermayer for 1 year at 1.15 200X out of 100 over what Gillisgan gave Malhotra.
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how did Niedermayer get "murdered"?
Scroll down. Way down. See Rob down there, in the neighbourhood of guys named Hordichuk? Rob Niedermeyer struggled, and that’s putting it kindly, to get the puck out of his own end last year. To be fair to Rob, he wasn’t exactly put in easy situations, but neither was Malhotra—and Malhotra, you’ll notice, didn’t get his nuts stomped on.
By the way, I’m arguing all this as someone who sorta wanted Niedermayer as well. But not as anything more than 4th line help, and certainly not as the anchor of the part of the team that needs to eat the 22 non-Hank/Kes minutes a night.
by Passive Voice on Jul 8, 2010 11:25 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
So
that stat is more meaningful than the fact Niedermayer played more minutes and killed more penalties?
Or the fact that he’s been to the finals 3 times and won a cup?
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Yes
Just because he played more often does not mean he was better. That stat specifically shows that he was terrible at moving the puck up ice. Malhotra played on a team with better depth, so played fewer minutes. What’s hard to understand about that?
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“Malhotra played on a better team”
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Not what I said...
…please don’t misquote me. I said he played on a team with better depth.
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you know who'd been to a shitload of finals?
mark messier. it’s foolproof!
and no, i don’t view Niedermayer’s 20-second advantage in PK time/game as all that important, especially since we’re not looking for a #1 Pk option. and even if it were, i’d point out that manny was the #1 PK option in 0809 for a playoff team in Cbus.
by Passive Voice on Jul 9, 2010 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions
correction: nieds and malhotra played the same PK minutes last year, but Nieds led his team while manny was ~3rd. m’bad.
by Passive Voice on Jul 9, 2010 5:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Another
ridiculous comparison, nobody is being brought in to be a saviour here that Messier was, we’re talking about depth/role players, and those kind of guys with Cup experience have proven invaluable over and over again to contending teams, look it up.
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Playoffs last year
Malhotra 1 point and -1 in 15 games… in fact he has just 2 points and -2 in 24 career playoff games… yeah that 2.5 will get us over the hump …
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Wait, you’re right! We should’ve signed Colby Armstrong (a third liner) for 3 million a season. That’s worth it, right?
So
you are saying that Armstrong was a bad deal but Malhotra was a good deal?
Cuz I’m saying both were crap, not just the one my team didn’t make…
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Going to
answer the question?
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If he was an RFA...
…he’d have doubled his salary after last season, rather than tripled it (see also: Raymond, Mason). As it is, we overpaid for a piece we needed – and yes, I think we needed to shore up our third line more than we did to improve our depth on defence.
I prefer a player to prove himself over a couple of years, rather than overpay for a potentially one-year wonder who happened to be his best at contract time (see above), and I loathe no-movement and no-trade clauses, but Malhotra was likely the best fit for the team among free agents, and there was a lot of competition for his services.
As with any signing, if it works, it’s worth it. Let’s see what happens.
Of course.
Manny Mo’ was a “bust” as Top 10 picks are judged…especially when its the Rags. I do remember him having his moments there, but the player he became later was also evident in Columbus.
Another place with high expectations. But while playing for Hitch, he supposedly was a huge help in the room. Basically a buffer for a demanding coach ( ring any bells? )
I remember when that team would play the Canucks that he was not only dangerous, but a 200’ player.
Perhaps he just got sick of Hitch, and wanted out. The backlash from that was that he wasn’t picked up. I am not judging his relevant talent with that. But signing for much less and going to the Sharks, and being one of their big surprises sure opened a lot of eyes.
It seems that he has found the best way to utilize his skill set. I get the jumping the gun on “showing him the money”…but in a market where there were multiple offers, and the Sharks themselves ( probably the best judges of his worth after his season there ) offered him 2.2 for supposedly the same term, it doesn’t seem like anything other than smart to sign the guy.
If he is under or overpaid is for the season(s) to come.
Right now, I am OK with it.
The only problem I have with the arguments so far....
is the notion of directly comparing Malhotra’s new contract vs his old contract, and trying to assume that since Malhotra’s contract is 3x as much, he must show 3x the production as before.
Yes, 7.5/3yrs is a sizeable portion of the salary cap given to a player, not playing on the top two lines, not scoring a lot of goals. However, Gillis probably gave him the contract because he is able to fulfill a large portions of the needs on the team. (PK and third-line forward.) I don’t think he will live up to his 2.5M contract, and we can safely agree he’s being paid to the upper end of his contract. On the other hand, given the current market’s climate, I don’t really think this is an unreasonable value for what he brings. Are there better deals out there? As Sean pointed out, Cullen is a very good choice, but he’s being paid 1M more. Belanger? 41pts, but from what I know, (which may be misguided), probably lesser of a PK-er, slightly lesser of a player, and not as good at face-offs? Depending on where that extra 1M is being used, perhaps we will then be better able to decide whether the deal on a whole was a good one.
Given the current market climate, the values players are being signed, I don’t really have a big problem with signing him at 7.5/3.
by Vancouverguy on Jul 8, 2010 10:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh, and finding the best/worst contracts handed out, and using them as "facts"
is pretty useless.
Malhotra compared to Boogard makes Malhotra sound like a god-send. On the other hand, when you compare Malhotra to Backes’ RFA signed offer sheet from 2 years ago, makes Malhotra’s contract look like a fucking albatross.
It’s all relative.
by Vancouverguy on Jul 8, 2010 10:15 PM PDT up reply actions
*Quickly dons the flame-proof suit*
I’m ready. Give it to me.
by Vancouverguy on Jul 8, 2010 10:16 PM PDT up reply actions
trying to assume that since Malhotra’s contract is 3x as much, he must show 3x the production as before.
Well said. I think that is what Gillis expects from Malhotra to give him that kind of $$$. But the same can be said of Hamhuis. Hammer is going to have to pull an Ehrhoff to earn his paycheck, IMO. AND/OR he’ll also have to be a very reliable defensive defenceman. This is what I hate about knowing the guy somewhat. He’s a great person make no mistake, but he just stepped into the lion’s den as far as expectations go. Personally I think he, like Malhotra, will exceed many peep’s expectations because of their potentially increased roles in Vancouver.
But I will say this about Malhotra: it is mind-blowing to think that he was fighting for an NHL job last fall and now he’s being paid over triple after a solid season in San Jose. He had better not be a one hit wonder or yoata will be completely justified in his opinion. I watched several Sharks games last season and I believe we are going to be impressed by the guy.
by Sean Zandberg on Jul 9, 2010 1:47 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm not saying
he can’t be a decent player for us, I’m saying where’s the sense in spending so much on a 3rd liner that’s little more than a role player on a good team, and doesn’t bring much playoff experience either?
I think there’s just as good a chance that he ends up on the 4th line sucking up big cap that’s hard to move as there is that he ends up being an integral part of the success worth that pice tag.
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I still want another roster player with more playoff experience. I wonder if we are going to get that. I thought that is what Gillis said he wanted
by Sean Zandberg on Jul 9, 2010 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Yoata is right that it sucks having bottom 6 guys sucking up cap space, but if he can bring faceoff wins and a strong defensive game, he will look a lot better at 2.5 than the offloaded bottom 6 guys: Bernier at 2 and Demitra at 4
I think
we have to keep in mind what this contract could mean next year when 3 of our top six dmen are up for renewal, and we’re a year away from having to replace Sammy…
That’s why overpaying kills.
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And yet
passed up a very similar player in Niedermayer who he could have had at less than 1/2 the price with virtually none of the risk that Malhotra’s deal carries, in favour of a guy with very little.
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I agree with most of what you are saying yoata
and I don’t want to be the 3rd man in here but as much as I think that’s a bad contract for a good third liner we don’t know what the other options were and how much money they wanted in order to come here. Maybe this was the best player we could get to be our third line center and he was being offered this much money elsewhere so MG felt like he needed to match it? I don’t know. Just trying to think of reasons why he would give MM that much money.
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I just keep
going back to Rob N. 1.15M for 1 year, a BC boy, tons of Cup experience, and maybe just maybe if he’d made him an offer earlier he could have given Scott that last reason to keep playing…
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Yeah that's a good option
not that I would be overly interested in Scott at this point. Great player and could still do a job but I think our D is already a bit over stuffed. But I mean is Rob a better player than Malhotra? Did we get the better player despite over paying?
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Scott N
is twice the hockey player any of our Dmen are, and if they’d gotten him obviously they could have passed on either of the other two they got.
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Maybe and maybe not
I don’t think he is twice the player any of our D men are not at this point anyway. Plus I am not a fan of bringing an aging superstar in the twilight of his career in here for a year. Once Bieksa is moved, and Salo if I have my wish, I think our D is looking pretty good. Edler, Ehrhoff, Hamhuis and Ballard are all under 30 and it will be nice to see that corp stay together and grow together. Ballard, Ehrhoff and Hamhuis are all 1982 babies so similar ages. I like that.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jul 10, 2010 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions
As an aside, anyone remember Scott almost costing the gold medal game in OT this year? He coughed the puck up badly
by Sean Zandberg on Jul 10, 2010 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh yeah
that was terrible. Thankfully Lu had his shit together.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jul 11, 2010 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions
And I don't think
MM is much better than Rob, if at all, certainly Rob brings a pile of Cup experience which this team always and still lacks.
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Well hopefully
the big contract and playing close to home will boost his play.
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I agree
Regarding overpaying for Manny. I think he will be a pretty good player (better than some of the previous ‘third’ liners we’ve had), but I don’t think he can live up to a 2.5/yr cap hit.
I wonder if Rob N. didn’t want to play in Vancouver?
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Give the C
to Kes.
Nazzy was my most favourite player before Burrows, and Im really glad his jersey will be retired.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jul 7, 2010 9:50 PM PDT reply actions
My own quick recap: http://passittobulis.blogspot.com/2010/07/i-watched-this-summit-canucks-summer.html
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I hope to hell that you’re being sarcastic.
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by Sean Zandberg on Jul 8, 2010 12:21 AM PDT up reply actions
Okay
Call me crazy here. But this quote:
Possiblity of Willie returning? MG: All concerned about his health. Will be patient with him, and when he says he is ready the Canucks will discuss his future with the organization.
Is really interesting to me. It sounds like they are actually considering resigning him. Now, assuming they are thinking that, and were going to, if we could get him for a lowish amount, and move Bieksa, Salo, and maybe one of Alberts/SOB I would feel pretty good about our backend. Of course, Willie would probably have to start out with reduced minutes to see how it goes, but even then he could still be a pretty big help.
Of course, I still want him to seriously consider his health and possibly retiring, but if he really thinks he’s okay…
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If even just Bieksa was moved out for a prospect and a pick and Mitchell was re-signed for cheap, we’d have a ridiculous looking top-six:
Hamhuis – Ehrhoff
Ballard – Edler
Salo – Mitchell
SOB
I mean, holy hell that would be awesome. Unlikely, but awesome.
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With that top 4
there is no need to have Salo and Mitchell. Too much money, even if Mitchell is cheap, being spend on D men who shouldn’t play more than 10 minutes a game.
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I don't disagree.
Personally, I’d refrain from signing Mitchell and keep Salo. Salo’s too damn good to get rid of.
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Exactly
Everyone thought we had way too many defencemen prior to training camp last year; Schneider was a bust, Lukowich had season-ending surgery, and Mitchell got Malkin’d, to go along with all the normal injury issues. There’s no such thing as too many defencemen; there is such a thing as too many highly-paid defencemen, however.
Canucks fans talking about the Canucks: Pass it To Bulis!
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jul 8, 2010 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions
I want Salo to stay, I have this weird feeling that he is getting tougher since last year. I am looking forward to seeing him play a full season this time around.
Los Angeles, CA
agreed
he is getting tougher. last year, he only had the swollen eye and the nearly-ruptured testicle.
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Have patience, my darlings. It's only the beginning of July, Mike Gillis has all summer.....
Ain’t gonna happen. His health, I mean: he is going to be around this season, but not the next.
The team’s going to let a few of those contracts expire to start getting youth up and in, and that youth really surprises me when I look at it. It wasn’t that long ago when we had pretty much stripped all the D prospects from the program…
I’m hoping Kevin Connauton can make the jump not this upcoming season but the next. He seemed to have a pretty successful season with the giants.
Don’t know if we’ll need the offence he brings just then, or if he should round out his game a bit more in the AHL, but we’ll see what he does there. I’m looking at Sweatt being the rusher that comes in next, with Tanev and/or Oberg bringing a more complete game.
All of it’s a coin flip right now, of course.
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