Hansen And Glass File For Arbitration; O'Brien Elects Not To
by Sean Zandberg on Jul 5, 2010 8:35 PM PDT
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Thankfully, James Mirtle put a link up on Twitter of the complete list of NHL players who have opted for salary arbitration, with Jannik Hansen and Tanner Glass joining Mason Raymond on the arbitration waiting list. Shane O'Brien has decided not to go to arbitration. That decision stumped me for a bit, to be honest. But then I remembered something SOB said back in mid-May:
"Hopefully I don’t have to go to arbitration and, from what I heard, it’s not a pleasant process," he said. "They’ve probably got a lot of material they can use against me so it probably wouldn’t work too well. "If a one-year deal is all I’m going to get, I’ll come in and play hard but obviously, as a player, you’re looking for a bit of security." -Vancouver Sun
That's not really giving us a lot except confirming that O'Brien's fate rests completely in Mike Gillis' hands. The question now is: what do you pay SOB $1.6 million to be your 6th or 7th defenceman? (O'Brien is in the 6th or 7th spot if Mike Gillis trades Kevin Bieksa to clear cap room.) Who would you rather keep? Shane O'Brien or Andrew Alberts? SOB or Aaron Rome? Dollars are going to play the biggest role here. To me, after looking at Cap Geek once again,
(Edit): Avoiding arbitration means SOB has accepted a salary of $1.6 million, the amount he made last season. In that case I'll take Alberts or Rome over SOB any day because of the cap savings. I asked James Mirtle about SOB and he said (via Twitter): I imagine he'll be moved, along with one of the other defencemen. Way too many bodies back there. It's almost the only answer isn't it?
Oh, and about Hansen and Glass...what to do with them? Which of the 2 would you keep? What would a Mike Gillis or an arbitrator award them? Personally, I wouldn't pay either one of them more than $700,000, but I wouldn't mind keeping both of them to shore up the bottom 6.
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And as for Glass/Hansen, it’s got to be one or the other.
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I think Hansen’s time is up, sorry to say. I’ve never believed AV liked using him at all and Glass – though not nearly as talented – shouldn’t command a similar salary.
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by Yankee Canuck on Jul 5, 2010 8:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Also
Just a hunch, but I think SOB stays. Either Rome will start the year in Manitoba or Alberts gets moved/put on waivers.
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by Sean Zandberg on Jul 5, 2010 9:01 PM PDT up reply actions
I think
Alberts will likely be put on waivers or traded after it’s all said and done. He had an up and down stint after the move and I think we went out and got him more because we needed a short term solution as an injury replacement. With Ballard and Hamhuis in the fold, he’ll likely be the one to go.
And if Im not mistaken Rome would have to clear waivers to play in Manitoba and he signed a one-way contract. I have a feeling at 700k, for what he can bring, someone would pick him up. A team like Chicago, who isnt filling out the back-end of their defense until they get their cap situation figured out.
49er you are correct. And I really hope they don’t do that with Romer
by Sean Zandberg on Jul 6, 2010 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions
But
I want to keep them all!
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jul 5, 2010 9:01 PM PDT reply actions
Nor do roster spots.
So don't get violent and don't get caught with your head down, the night she stole the moon.
by thelastjohnny on Jul 5, 2010 9:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Hank-Dank-Bank
FU Sweden-Keslord-?
??-Malhotra-??
Hordichuk-Rypper-?
What are you talking about?
by Sean Zandberg on Jul 5, 2010 9:20 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't want to live in a world
where Hordi is a roster player on the Canucks.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jul 5, 2010 9:29 PM PDT up reply actions
The biggest problem isn’t money per se, but the Salary cap. Aqualini has proven he’s willing to pay for the team, so I’m sure he won’t mind paying the 1M or so.
by Vancouverguy on Jul 6, 2010 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions
I really don’t want to let Jank walk the plank. Actually, I’ll be legitimately mad if we do. Are we not looking for 3rd-liners? Why would we let a perfectly decent one go for nothing?
Pick one then: Glass or Hansen? I’ll take Glass. He played better than Hansen this season from what I saw
by Sean Zandberg on Jul 5, 2010 9:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Really? I disagree. Hansen is more versatile. He can keep up with an offensive line if need be and actually has some skill. Glass can play one role and one role only.
by Beantown Canuck on Jul 5, 2010 9:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Hansen’s hands left me disillusioned this year.
by Sean Zandberg on Jul 5, 2010 9:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Glass'
hands aren’t better. I’d keep Hansen over Glass if it came down to it. He’s earned it, and he’s a better hockey player overall IMO.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jul 5, 2010 9:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Hansen's
hands may not be great, but he at least puts himself in a position to have the chances, and create them himself with his speed. Glass had maybe a handful of chances all year that’s it. My hopes are Hansen as a 3rd liner with Maholtra and Hodgson, with Glass competing with Big O and Ryp for 12th, 13th forward spots. Get Hordi away from my Nucks
Get Hordi away from my Nucks
Oh god yes.
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by Yankee Canuck on Jul 6, 2010 5:34 AM PDT up reply actions
Glass is a physical presence on the 4th line. Not really much more than that. He’s a younger, better version of Hordichuk. Probably slightly cheaper too.
So we lose the spot for Hordi, and give it to Glass.
And save a few shekels in the bargain.
Hansen? Not sure yet, depending on the moves MG makes, his spot could be in danger. I would like to think…him being a “good soldier” and all, that MG would move him somewhere where he can get a chance to play, if that dies happen.
For what he brings though, and the cost, I think you keep him if you can. He does have better hands than Glass, and doesn’t mind getting his nose dirty as well.
Glass
is a 4th liner only while Hansen could play 4th or 3rd line. Keep in mind that injuries can wreak havoc on a team’s season without roster depth so we should some skill (along with size) in the depths.
This applies to D too. Every year we think we have enough D depth and then D 3 guys go down.
But yeah… it does all come down to za money under za cap.
i’m sorta unsure why we can only keep one. Hordichuk is shit, Ryp’s a 12.5th type guy, Tambellini has a long way to go to be even an average NHLer IMO, Perrault can’t be pencilled in for anything more than the Moose right now, Oreskovich is a complete unknown quantity, our rookies are even bigger ?s this year….
Tank seems like a good guy to keep around for the fourth line; Hansen, the same for the third. What’re they gonna cost us combined, maybe 1.75 mils?
by Passive Voice on Jul 5, 2010 10:34 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm a little
Worried about these bottom 2 lines. Sure Malhotra is a good guy for the 3rd, but who else? No one else that we have right now can really be put there for certainty, I can’t really see anyone else getting signed at this point because of how close to the cap we are
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Youth.
Someone, either Hodgson or Schneider, is coming up from Manitoba to play on the third/fourth line. There are two new guys that might make it there, too, with Tambellini (speed) and Oreskovich (size) getting a shot and perhaps Hansen getting a look-see, too.
But Gillis isn’t done: there are too many contracts on the blue line, and no one really viable as a call-up who won’t get snagged off waivers. A bit more movement has to happen, though whether it’s for skaters or futures we’ll just have to see.
HANSEN 100%
Are u guys on something? You pick Hansen any day, he has skills and some GWGs on his resume, if he sign in 700-900K it’s the best deal
Are you on something? Who got more chances to play this year via the coach’s discretion? Sure as hell was not Hansen. There’s a reason for that
by Sean Zandberg on Jul 5, 2010 9:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Hansen was more scratched by AV after good games than anybody else, my guess is because he’s European and not a dumbass redneck like Glass …
hahaha, hey, Glass went to Dartmouth. i don’t think he’s particularly stoopid.
by Passive Voice on Jul 5, 2010 10:26 PM PDT up reply actions
History major too
Ivy league in the hizzouse.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jul 6, 2010 1:05 AM PDT up reply actions
I for one want to see SOB back, i like him, and he’s a heart and soul kind of guy. Sure he’s a bit of a screw up, but i think he played really well for most of last season, and if he’s used less than he was last season i think he can still be a valuable asset
Seriously though….I’m sure he’s a great comedian in the locker room
by Sean Zandberg on Jul 5, 2010 9:23 PM PDT up reply actions
SOB over Rome and Alberts all day. Rome is a 7th defenseman at best and Alberts is probably a 6th defenseman in the AHL.
Sorry buddy. Without going all internet and digging up the +/- and whatnot, I don’t think so.
My hockey spidey sense tells me, at least from watching the defense last year, that Rome is more responsible than SOB. He makes better reads, and is a good stay at homer. He did jump up now and then, but seemed more likely to remember his own end than make a naked pinch and leave Lui another 2-1 or 2-0 like SOB and Bieksa must have led the team in.
Those can be those ballbreaker plays that cost a game…
Of course you keep SOB, but Rome stays too.
Let AHLberts live up to his name or get moved…or waived…or whatever. Honestly, I think he could do better in the East, where he knows all the players, having played against them his whole career.
He looked lost in the West.
Yeah, Aaron Rome has earned a spot with his play last season. A great surprise he was
by Sean Zandberg on Jul 6, 2010 12:00 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah I'd definitely
keep Romer over everyone else, despite SOB showing up in the playoffs.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jul 6, 2010 1:07 AM PDT up reply actions
Rome/SOB/Alberts, Glass/Hansen?
I am actually neutral to both roster decisions at the moment. To be frank, I would rather Gillis fit them all into the final cap if the owner doesn’t mind paying to the max and then, just let’em rip. A team is always deep “enough” until a string of coincidences inevitably hits your team over an 82 game regular season.
What I do see is that, if we are as good as we think we are on paper and all the guys think they are as good as they are to deserve roster spots, only good can come out of the competition.
1) Whoever is not playing well in preseason, sits at the beginning of the regular season.
2) Whoever played well but hadn’t recently, sits. A sitter takes up his spot.
3) Repeat (1) and (2).
And by the time trade deadline comes around, the team will be either:
1) hit by a ton of injuries – you need every single body out there (“depth” strategy works!)
2) injury-free AND everyone plays well – we have assets to trade! (“depth” strategy also works!)
Yes I know maybe we can’t fit them all under the cap – but that’s Gillis job. And until he actually makes these deals, nothing much I can get pissed about for now. As a fan, I get to enjoy the spoils of winning the free agency sweepstakes for once, woo hoo!
Another option
If Mitchell does infact fully recover and they sign him to a 1-2 year contract at a reasonable price(obv less than what he was making before)….2 of Obrien, Alberts and Rome are gone.
I can’t be the only one around here who’s nervous about shipping blueliners out of town. We seem to be snakebitten lately with respect to injuries, and we all remember how well the Mathieu Schneider Experiment went. Might not be a bad idea to retain some added depth, if only to take the ice-time pressure off the top 4 if someone gets hurt.
If the cap can support it, what’s wrong with holding on to Ehrhoff, Ballard, Hamhuis, Edler, Salo, O’Brien, Rome and Alberts? This is of course assuming that Bieksa and Mitchell have played their last games as Canucks, which I’m not ready to do. Provided some desperate team with lots of money (hello, Islanders) doesn’t make Willie a stupid offer, I see him sticking around for less money until he proves he’s healthy. That would mean the Moose are icing Baumgartner and Oberg alongside two of that eight as their defensive core, no? What’s up with Nycholat, McIver and Lukowich, BTW? Haven’t seen much news but I believe they’re all UFAs too…
I’m interested to see how the third and fourth lines evolve. If the season started tomorrow I think we’d be in rough shape (and that’s assuming we resign MayRay for less than $3 million), but Gillis isn’t done yet. I for one would love to see Modano come to town – he’d be a great coach for younger players and a respected veteran voice in the locker room that would rival Linden’s.
Is Hodgson gonna be ready? Is Schroeder? You’ve got guys like Shirokov, Bolduc, Bliznak and Desbiens waiting to prove themselves. You’ve got Stastny and Pettinger as UFAs. You’ve got Rypien and Hordichuk hoping to stick around. You’ve got Tambellini and Perrault wondering where they slot in.
All I can say for sure is Good Riddance to Demitra – way too much money for inconsistent production. MG might have had been guilty of a soft spot for his former client, but he’s thinking with his head and not his heart now…
Welcome, DR. I believe McIver has signed with the Bruins and Statsny has gone to the KHL.
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Welcome!
If the cap can support it, what’s wrong with holding on to Ehrhoff, Ballard, Hamhuis, Edler, Salo, O’Brien, Rome and Alberts? This is of course assuming that Bieksa and Mitchell have played their last games as Canucks, which I’m not ready to do.
We need a prospect or 2 to be ready to make the jump
by Sean Zandberg on Jul 6, 2010 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions
I don’t see any of the defence ready to come up yet, but have high hopes for a couple of them in a couple of years… There’s a lot of one-year contracts coming up! I’m willing to be surprised, with maybe Oberg or Sweatt paying a visit, but more likely Baumgartner going to be our filler from the Moose.
I do like the Sweatt pick-up: good quality of competition for him, and he’s physically mature if not particularly large. He’s my vote for “Most Likely To” going into the season.
I’’ll see your Sweatt and raise a a Chris Tanev! (jk.) Hey, you never know
by Sean Zandberg on Jul 6, 2010 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Mitchell
I don’t think many teams will be willing to take a chance on an oft-concussed defenseman… probably only a handful.
In any case, noone will sign him until the doctors can give him a clean bill of health, which is often difficult with concussions.
I’m sad to say that I’m pretty sure Mitchell is done with the Canucks. Bieksa too, but i’m not quite as sad about that. As mentioned, McIver and Stastny are out of the mix now, and as you said those other guys are Moose. I agree that we can keep all 8 other D, and although I think it would be great to get Modano for the leadership things u mention, I really don’t think there’s any way to do it. I’m sure MG is trying to shop hordi, but we lost out by not calling sather before he wasted his millions. For some reason I feel like I heard somewhere that Rypien is on the outs as well…anyone else remember that or did I dream that one?
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Yes, if Sather was willing to give Boogaard $1.65 million lord knows what we might have paid for Hordi or Ripper…
Re: blueline prospects, yes. I think Baumgartner and Oberg both spend some quality time with the team this year, so maybe that happens alongside the departure of Bieksa and/or Mitchell. Thanks for the update on McIver and Stastny, I confess my searches for news have been team-based and not player-based so those slipped past me.
Cheers,
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by Duck, Roberto! on Jul 6, 2010 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Been a long-time reader and an occasional poster under other names,
Oh yeah? Like what? Maybe you were banned? heheh. Kidding…
maybe
by Sean Zandberg on Jul 6, 2010 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Hee, my principal SN is CortezKennedy4Prez (yep, a Seahawks fan too)…figured I’d set up one ID for hockey and one for football, unless that is sort of frowned upon within the SB Nation.
While I’m at it, I vote we call the rink the Roger(s) Neilson Arena…
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by CortezKennedy4Prez! on Jul 6, 2010 6:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Hee, my principal SN is CortezKennedy4Prez (yep, a Seahawks fan too)…figured I’d set up one ID for hockey and one for football, unless that is sort of frowned upon within the SB Nation.
While I’m at it, I vote we call the rink the Roger(s) Neilson Arena…
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by Duck, Roberto! on Jul 6, 2010 7:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Our condolences on your location there Mike. There are a couple others on here I think. I know nucksandpucks has to live in the Big Smoke too.
I hadn’t heard any such rumor on Rypien. Its touch sometimes with the way that newspapers will repackage internet “rumors” and give us more and more useless info. Can’t really see it though. AV loved the guy as far as ice time went last year. He got more than our other 4th liners…
Hordi should be sent back to Nashville for whatever pick we can get. They like him there.
I was reading FTF, and they want Willie …if he is healthy, he’ll be working. I would like to sign him for less, but there will be enough interest in him that he won’t have to do that.
Same with Bieksa. I agree with some of the people that say he is just as pursued as Kaberle supposedly is. The people that respond about him by saying “he’s injured too much” just don’t get it though. Two freak accidents…I do expect him to bring something substantial back.
As for the kids, I am most excited to see how Connauton and Tanev ( and Sauve too ) do at camp. We saw a bit of Oberg last year…but this Tanev kid is supposed to be the shizzle…and Connauton set a record for points for the defenseman factory known as the Vancouver Giants.
Prospects camp started today right?
You think I’VE got it tough? My neighbour across the street is the Leafs’ equipment manager. He’s had a little bit of “spare time” this spring/summer. ;)
Don’t wanna hack on him too hard, though – he’s my lifeline to the ACC game in November.
by Duck, Roberto! on Jul 6, 2010 7:04 PM PDT up reply actions
pretty cool that OBrien opted for the same salary as last with and did not ask for a raise. Maybe this guy has matured in the last year :)
When your opponents AND your own coaching staff call you a clown, I think you take what you can get. ;)
by Duck, Roberto! on Jul 6, 2010 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Weird, but...
I’m actually going to come out for Alberts, here. Not so much because he’s a good player; but I will say that there is a need for someone his size and strength to sweep Luongo’s doorstep and I think he can to it. He needs to be housebroken to avoid the messes he left behind last season, sure, but I’m willing to let him have it. The upside on him is big enough as a pure defender, and he can at least help cover that side of Mitchell’s game.
Yeah. I suspect Alberts’ll also be lower maintenance as he moves in and out of the press box than SOB. I like SOB’s game and I think he’s consistently getting better. Clown or no, he’s a big body who’s still learning his trade. And size is an issue. These Canucks are fast, but they’re also a little on the small side. Makes me think that Rome is the odd man out here…
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